Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:

>
> All the options of "external training" I'm aware of are cheaper than
> international workshops (I don't know about Boardsource and specially-hired
> consultants).


you mean locally organized training? Perhaps, especially if the board
members could join running courses (rather than have one tailor-made,
although our movement specifics would make it a bit less useful). Of
course, there would be no added value of stimulating cross-chapter
collaboration, knowledge exchange, etc.

best,

dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

David Gerard, 13/08/2013 17:56:

On 13 August 2013 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:


True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing paths
(usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
opportunities.
For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job of a
[university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you don't,
but you must try). He was right.



A very useful book: Nonprofit Kit For Dummies by Stan Hutton and
Frances Phillips. I so wish I'd read it 25 years before I did. Very
US-centric, but informative outside that.


Yeah, I remember you suggesting that a while ago. :) We do have 
equivalents in Italy, ;) I and the board read a few such manuals when we 
started exploring the charity status. I agree that everyone (or at the 
very least one person in the board) should read one similar manual for 
their country. In the end it saves time and hopefully the chapter is 
able to pay the few tens of euros such manuals usually cost.


Dariusz Jemielniak, 14/08/2013 18:29:
> [...] All this should be cheaper, more relevant, and more meaningful
> than an external training. [...]

[citation needed]
All the options of "external training" I'm aware of are cheaper than 
international workshops (I don't know about Boardsource and 
specially-hired consultants).


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Sophie Österberg, 13/08/2013 16:53:

How would they have time to take a master's degree if they have no time to
be volunteers?


Ilario probably meant a master in the Italian sense of the word: it's 
not a master's degree, just a university course of EQF level 7 or 8 
(usually with "professionalisation" purposes, in the tens of hours of 
effort and costing from a handful hundreds to some thousands euros).


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Lodewijk]

To also add a thought (I think it is a great idea) - I suspect the chapters
that have most to gain here are the chapter in early development phase,
often outside the countries with a US/UK-like charity culture. So we should
make sure that the trainer and material fit to that audience - that we're
not teaching them bureaucratic tools that are very useful in the US, or
even the Netherlands or France, but might be less... welcomed in South
Africa or Bangladesh.

Lodewijk


2013/8/14 Dariusz Jemielniak 

> hi,
>
> I believe that more than external training (useful, but possibly to a
> limited extent due to our movement's uniqueness, related to the ways we
> discuss things, the ways we finance our projects, etc.) we really very much
> need internal training/coaching. Larger chapters have best practices to
> share with the smaller ones. FDC, affcom, etc. can share their views and
> perspectives. Internal experts can prepare short workshops on chosen
> topics... All this should be cheaper, more relevant, and more meaningful
> than an external training. As a bonus, it would also organically stimulate
> cross-chapter cooperation, mentoring, etc., which could also lead to better
> projects.
>
> best,
>
> dj
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Anthony Cole 
> wrote:
>
> > I've left some notes on the meta talk
> > page<
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_proposal#Boardsource
> > >about
> > a US nonprofit called Boardsource that specialises in educating
> > nonprofit boards on just the issues you raise, Chris. Though it is US
> > centred, most of the knowledge and advice has universal applicability.
> >
> > You point out an important gap in our governance - the education of our
> > boards in best practice. But I'm not (yet) convinced by anything on the
> > meta project page or any of the above comments that an in-person training
> > is the only or even best solution to that.
> >
> > Another option (if you want assessment and certification to be a part of
> > the process) would be to commission Boardsource or a similar specialist
> > organisation to create an online module tailored to this project's needs.
> > That would have the advantage of not requiring participants to take
> several
> > days out of their lives for the course, open the course up to many more
> > participants, including those who can't take that time off from work and,
> > if a good package is negotiated, should be vastly cheaper per head than
> an
> > in-person course.
> >
> > If independent assessment and certification is dispensed with, this gap
> in
> > knowledge *may* be able to be filled simply by judicious private reading.
> > Boardsource (and I assume other specialist organisations) produce a range
> > of books aimed directly at the very questions you cover in your
> description
> > of the problem.
> >
> > Anthony Cole 
> > Memberships secretary
> > Wiki Project Med Foundation<
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Markus Glaser
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Am 14.08.2013 14:44, schrieb Tanweer Morshed:
> > >
> > >  Seems good initiative! I'd like to know, who will be training the
> people
> > >> from chapters?? It'll be more efficient if someone who specializes in
> > >> management of non-profit organization can do this job.
> > >>
> > > We were thinking about having more than one trainer and a set of
> > > subsequent sessions focussing on different topics. Definitely, I think
> > > there should be some external expert among them. But I'd also hope for
> > > someone with a deep insight in the movement to be present at the
> > workshop.
> > > This person, naturally, should be someone internal.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Markus
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

hi,

I believe that more than external training (useful, but possibly to a
limited extent due to our movement's uniqueness, related to the ways we
discuss things, the ways we finance our projects, etc.) we really very much
need internal training/coaching. Larger chapters have best practices to
share with the smaller ones. FDC, affcom, etc. can share their views and
perspectives. Internal experts can prepare short workshops on chosen
topics... All this should be cheaper, more relevant, and more meaningful
than an external training. As a bonus, it would also organically stimulate
cross-chapter cooperation, mentoring, etc., which could also lead to better
projects.

best,

dj


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

> I've left some notes on the meta talk
> page<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_proposal#Boardsource
> >about
> a US nonprofit called Boardsource that specialises in educating
> nonprofit boards on just the issues you raise, Chris. Though it is US
> centred, most of the knowledge and advice has universal applicability.
>
> You point out an important gap in our governance - the education of our
> boards in best practice. But I'm not (yet) convinced by anything on the
> meta project page or any of the above comments that an in-person training
> is the only or even best solution to that.
>
> Another option (if you want assessment and certification to be a part of
> the process) would be to commission Boardsource or a similar specialist
> organisation to create an online module tailored to this project's needs.
> That would have the advantage of not requiring participants to take several
> days out of their lives for the course, open the course up to many more
> participants, including those who can't take that time off from work and,
> if a good package is negotiated, should be vastly cheaper per head than an
> in-person course.
>
> If independent assessment and certification is dispensed with, this gap in
> knowledge *may* be able to be filled simply by judicious private reading.
> Boardsource (and I assume other specialist organisations) produce a range
> of books aimed directly at the very questions you cover in your description
> of the problem.
>
> Anthony Cole 
> Memberships secretary
> Wiki Project Med Foundation<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Markus Glaser
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Am 14.08.2013 14:44, schrieb Tanweer Morshed:
> >
> >  Seems good initiative! I'd like to know, who will be training the people
> >> from chapters?? It'll be more efficient if someone who specializes in
> >> management of non-profit organization can do this job.
> >>
> > We were thinking about having more than one trainer and a set of
> > subsequent sessions focussing on different topics. Definitely, I think
> > there should be some external expert among them. But I'd also hope for
> > someone with a deep insight in the movement to be present at the
> workshop.
> > This person, naturally, should be someone internal.
> >
> > Best,
> > Markus
> >
> > --
> > Markus Glaser
> > WCA Council Member (WMDE), Chair
> > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Anthony Cole]

I've left some notes on the meta talk
pageabout
a US nonprofit called Boardsource that specialises in educating
nonprofit boards on just the issues you raise, Chris. Though it is US
centred, most of the knowledge and advice has universal applicability.

You point out an important gap in our governance - the education of our
boards in best practice. But I'm not (yet) convinced by anything on the
meta project page or any of the above comments that an in-person training
is the only or even best solution to that.

Another option (if you want assessment and certification to be a part of
the process) would be to commission Boardsource or a similar specialist
organisation to create an online module tailored to this project's needs.
That would have the advantage of not requiring participants to take several
days out of their lives for the course, open the course up to many more
participants, including those who can't take that time off from work and,
if a good package is negotiated, should be vastly cheaper per head than an
in-person course.

If independent assessment and certification is dispensed with, this gap in
knowledge *may* be able to be filled simply by judicious private reading.
Boardsource (and I assume other specialist organisations) produce a range
of books aimed directly at the very questions you cover in your description
of the problem.

Anthony Cole 
Memberships secretary
Wiki Project Med Foundation


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Markus Glaser
wrote:

>
> Am 14.08.2013 14:44, schrieb Tanweer Morshed:
>
>  Seems good initiative! I'd like to know, who will be training the people
>> from chapters?? It'll be more efficient if someone who specializes in
>> management of non-profit organization can do this job.
>>
> We were thinking about having more than one trainer and a set of
> subsequent sessions focussing on different topics. Definitely, I think
> there should be some external expert among them. But I'd also hope for
> someone with a deep insight in the movement to be present at the workshop.
> This person, naturally, should be someone internal.
>
> Best,
> Markus
>
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> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
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[Markus Glaser]

Am 14.08.2013 14:44, schrieb Tanweer Morshed:

Seems good initiative! I'd like to know, who will be training the people
from chapters?? It'll be more efficient if someone who specializes in
management of non-profit organization can do this job.
We were thinking about having more than one trainer and a set of 
subsequent sessions focussing on different topics. Definitely, I think 
there should be some external expert among them. But I'd also hope for 
someone with a deep insight in the movement to be present at the 
workshop. This person, naturally, should be someone internal.


Best,
Markus

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[Tanweer Morshed]

Seems good initiative! I'd like to know, who will be training the people
from chapters?? It'll be more efficient if someone who specializes in
management of non-profit organization can do this job.

Regards,
Tanweer


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Balázs Viczián <
balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu> wrote:

> If you wish to educate board people, I think mailing lists and acronyms
> should not cover a full bulletpoint of the event because they should have
> that knowledge already
>
> I miss volunteer management in particular what is imo amongst the basic
> skills (it is totally different in many ways from paid staff mgmt) and
> fundraising. (Omg, we got a donation...what to do now? :)
>
> I'd go for general project (and time and workflow...) management instead of
> particular this and that kinda specific things. Imo first get the "big
> picture", than the specific ones (Glam, editathon, etc.)
>
> Are you plannig to hire a professional NGO trainer (individual[s])? A
> training company specialized on NGOs? Or we should educate each other?
>
> Cheers,
> Balázs
>
> 2013/8/13 Ziko van Dijk 
>
> > Hello,
> > Indeed it seems to me possible to fill a whole master studies with the
> > things a board member should know :-) but I know that he meant something
> > different. It would be a could idea to have board members going to
> > trainings to be a board member in the specific country where they live. A
> > course of a weekend, for example, would be already a good help.
> Everything
> > must remain a little bit realistic.
> > Possibly, some board members are more open to other Wikimedians than
> people
> > from the "outside world" - possibly not. Narrowing the target group down
> to
> > chapter board members to "staff chapters" is a good step, and I share the
> > arguments on the Meta page. Maybe one should let participants apply for
> the
> > seminar in a similar way as to Wikimania, in order to have those
> > participants most likely to succeed. For example, if someone is already
> > more than a year board member and likely to remain at least on a board
> for
> > another year, that would be a pro.
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 13. August 2013 schrieb David Gerard :
> >
> > > On 13 August 2013 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo)  > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> > > > chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't
> have
> > > > enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing
> > > paths
> > > > (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> > > > opportunities.
> > > > For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the
> job
> > > of a
> > > > [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you
> > don't,
> > > > but you must try). He was right.
> > >
> > >
> > > A very useful book: Nonprofit Kit For Dummies by Stan Hutton and
> > > Frances Phillips. I so wish I'd read it 25 years before I did. Very
> > > US-centric, but informative outside that.
> > >
> > >
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[Balázs Viczián]

If you wish to educate board people, I think mailing lists and acronyms
should not cover a full bulletpoint of the event because they should have
that knowledge already

I miss volunteer management in particular what is imo amongst the basic
skills (it is totally different in many ways from paid staff mgmt) and
fundraising. (Omg, we got a donation...what to do now? :)

I'd go for general project (and time and workflow...) management instead of
particular this and that kinda specific things. Imo first get the "big
picture", than the specific ones (Glam, editathon, etc.)

Are you plannig to hire a professional NGO trainer (individual[s])? A
training company specialized on NGOs? Or we should educate each other?

Cheers,
Balázs

2013/8/13 Ziko van Dijk 

> Hello,
> Indeed it seems to me possible to fill a whole master studies with the
> things a board member should know :-) but I know that he meant something
> different. It would be a could idea to have board members going to
> trainings to be a board member in the specific country where they live. A
> course of a weekend, for example, would be already a good help. Everything
> must remain a little bit realistic.
> Possibly, some board members are more open to other Wikimedians than people
> from the "outside world" - possibly not. Narrowing the target group down to
> chapter board members to "staff chapters" is a good step, and I share the
> arguments on the Meta page. Maybe one should let participants apply for the
> seminar in a similar way as to Wikimania, in order to have those
> participants most likely to succeed. For example, if someone is already
> more than a year board member and likely to remain at least on a board for
> another year, that would be a pro.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
> Am Dienstag, 13. August 2013 schrieb David Gerard :
>
> > On 13 August 2013 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo)  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> > > chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
> > > enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing
> > paths
> > > (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> > > opportunities.
> > > For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job
> > of a
> > > [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you
> don't,
> > > but you must try). He was right.
> >
> >
> > A very useful book: Nonprofit Kit For Dummies by Stan Hutton and
> > Frances Phillips. I so wish I'd read it 25 years before I did. Very
> > US-centric, but informative outside that.
> >
> >
> > - d.
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[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello,
Indeed it seems to me possible to fill a whole master studies with the
things a board member should know :-) but I know that he meant something
different. It would be a could idea to have board members going to
trainings to be a board member in the specific country where they live. A
course of a weekend, for example, would be already a good help. Everything
must remain a little bit realistic.
Possibly, some board members are more open to other Wikimedians than people
from the "outside world" - possibly not. Narrowing the target group down to
chapter board members to "staff chapters" is a good step, and I share the
arguments on the Meta page. Maybe one should let participants apply for the
seminar in a similar way as to Wikimania, in order to have those
participants most likely to succeed. For example, if someone is already
more than a year board member and likely to remain at least on a board for
another year, that would be a pro.
Kind regards
Ziko


Am Dienstag, 13. August 2013 schrieb David Gerard :

> On 13 August 2013 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> >
> wrote:
>
> > True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> > chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
> > enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing
> paths
> > (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> > opportunities.
> > For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job
> of a
> > [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you don't,
> > but you must try). He was right.
>
>
> A very useful book: Nonprofit Kit For Dummies by Stan Hutton and
> Frances Phillips. I so wish I'd read it 25 years before I did. Very
> US-centric, but informative outside that.
>
>
> - d.
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[David Gerard]

On 13 August 2013 15:39, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:

> True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
> enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing paths
> (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> opportunities.
> For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job of a
> [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you don't,
> but you must try). He was right.


A very useful book: Nonprofit Kit For Dummies by Stan Hutton and
Frances Phillips. I so wish I'd read it 25 years before I did. Very
US-centric, but informative outside that.


- d.

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[David Richfield]

This is a very good proposal, and I've forwarded it to the rest of our
board for comment. Thanks, Chris!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Sophie Österberg]

How would they have time to take a master's degree if they have no time to
be volunteers?

/ sophie


2013/8/13 Ilario Valdelli 

> In my opinion the real problem is that the volunteers have no time to offer
> being board members.
>
> Anyway people can be trained to manage a NGO or to be board members, there
> are some university masters to train NGOs managers.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  >wrote:
>
> > David Gerard, 13/08/2013 15:47:
> >
> >  Excellent and well done!
> >>
> >> It's pretty much standard in small charities that board members start
> >> off as enthusiasts on the topic, but who have *no idea* how to be a
> >> board member of a nonprofit. (Been there, done that, beg off all
> >> opportunities these days.) This is not good. Training people for the
> >> role is a *marvellous* idea.
> >>
> >
> > True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> > chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
> > enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing
> paths
> > (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> > opportunities.
> > For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job of
> > a [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you
> don't,
> > but you must try). He was right.
> >
> > Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Ilario Valdelli]

In my opinion the real problem is that the volunteers have no time to offer
being board members.

Anyway people can be trained to manage a NGO or to be board members, there
are some university masters to train NGOs managers.

Regards




On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> David Gerard, 13/08/2013 15:47:
>
>  Excellent and well done!
>>
>> It's pretty much standard in small charities that board members start
>> off as enthusiasts on the topic, but who have *no idea* how to be a
>> board member of a nonprofit. (Been there, done that, beg off all
>> opportunities these days.) This is not good. Training people for the
>> role is a *marvellous* idea.
>>
>
> True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active
> chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have
> enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing paths
> (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose
> opportunities.
> For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job of
> a [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you don't,
> but you must try). He was right.
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Patricio Lorente]

Thanks Chris (and Markus, Michał and Claudia) for this great initiative. It
is needed and I'm sure it will be really appreciated from most Chapters,
especially from those who are moving from executive boards to governance
oriented boards.

   Patricio


2013/8/13 Chris Keating 

> Thanks for all the enthusiasm!
>
>
> > Since you said it will be organised in the early 2014, does it mean that
> > the workshop will happen in Chapter Conference 2014?
>
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> It could happen as a pre-meeting to the Wikimedia Conference, or it could
> be a stand-alone workshop earlier in the year. This is to be decided.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Sophie Österberg]

Chris,

Would it be a person per board? Or whole boards and then fewer of them? If
yes to the first one we should include how they can go back and train the
rest of the board members so it gets properly disseminated.

/ sophie


2013/8/13 Chris Keating 

> Thanks for all the enthusiasm!
>
>
> > Since you said it will be organised in the early 2014, does it mean that
> > the workshop will happen in Chapter Conference 2014?
>
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> It could happen as a pre-meeting to the Wikimedia Conference, or it could
> be a stand-alone workshop earlier in the year. This is to be decided.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Chris Keating]

Thanks for all the enthusiasm!


> Since you said it will be organised in the early 2014, does it mean that
> the workshop will happen in Chapter Conference 2014?


Hi Ted,

It could happen as a pre-meeting to the Wikimedia Conference, or it could
be a stand-alone workshop earlier in the year. This is to be decided.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

David Gerard, 13/08/2013 15:47:

Excellent and well done!

It's pretty much standard in small charities that board members start
off as enthusiasts on the topic, but who have *no idea* how to be a
board member of a nonprofit. (Been there, done that, beg off all
opportunities these days.) This is not good. Training people for the
role is a *marvellous* idea.


True. Even worse, many do not even try to be board members (or active 
chapter members, for that matter) because they (think they) don't have 
enough experience. It's crucial to ensure the availability of growing 
paths (usually informal) for volunteers or you lose them and they lose 
opportunities.
For me, it's been crucial to be told by a prof. "you can learn the job 
of a [university] board member in 6 months" (so it's inexcusable if you 
don't, but you must try). He was right.


Nemo

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[Ted Chien]

I think this is a great idea.

Since you said it will be organised in the early 2014, does it mean that
the workshop will happen in Chapter Conference 2014?

Regards,
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2013/8/13 下午8:57 於 "Chris Keating"  寫道：

> At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not much
> support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On Sunday
> afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
> Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some training
> to help improve this situation.
>
> I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to be
> organised in the early part of 2014:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal
>
> This is open to all Chapter (or indeed Thematic Organisation) boards, but
> is particularly focused on board members in those organisations that have,
> or will soon have, staff. And while this is being organised by "chapter
> people", we hope to engage with Foundation, FDC and Affcom wherever this
> will be relevant.
>
> If you are on a Wikimedia movement Board and are interested in attending,
> please sign up on the Meta page!
> Also, if you are reading the page and feel you could lead a session, please
> also sign up on Meta!
>
> If there is enough interest, we will define the programme more closely and
> work out exactly where and when.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal - Training for Wikimedia movement boards

[David Gerard]

On 13 August 2013 13:57, Chris Keating  wrote:

> At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not much
> support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On Sunday
> afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
> Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some training
> to help improve this situation.
> I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to be
> organised in the early part of 2014:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal


Excellent and well done!

It's pretty much standard in small charities that board members start
off as enthusiasts on the topic, but who have *no idea* how to be a
board member of a nonprofit. (Been there, done that, beg off all
opportunities these days.) This is not good. Training people for the
role is a *marvellous* idea.


- d.

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[Sophie Österberg]

Sarah, I'd love to do that! Great!

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2013/8/13 Sarah Stierch 

> I agree! Great idea and thanks for sharing it.
>
> I'm going to take a look at the meta page, and see if there is an
> opportunity for some WMF support - I know Program and Evaluation could be a
> great support for this potentially, and organizational structures from the
> Learning and Evaluation side. (I'd look at it from my volunteer side, but,
> I don't have a chapter role to call my own,) The timing is good and the
> opportunity to help build capacity and professionalization is great!
>
> Thanks Chris and all involved, (and Sophielet's see how there is
> potential for cross-WMF-team-awesomeness!!)
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Österberg
> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this. I find this to be of great importance and a
> > crucial step for our movement. I would be very happy to lead a session on
> > programmes, and specifically Education Programmes, with its aims, current
> > status and future.
> >
> > *Be Bold!
> > Sophie Österberg
> > sosterb...@wikimedia.org*
> >
> >
> > *Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a
> > gift of free knowledge to humanity. *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/13 Chris Keating 
> >
> > > At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not
> much
> > > support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On
> Sunday
> > > afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
> > > Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some
> > training
> > > to help improve this situation.
> > >
> > > I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to
> > be
> > > organised in the early part of 2014:
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal
> > >
> > > This is open to all Chapter (or indeed Thematic Organisation) boards,
> but
> > > is particularly focused on board members in those organisations that
> > have,
> > > or will soon have, staff. And while this is being organised by "chapter
> > > people", we hope to engage with Foundation, FDC and Affcom wherever
> this
> > > will be relevant.
> > >
> > > If you are on a Wikimedia movement Board and are interested in
> attending,
> > > please sign up on the Meta page!
> > > Also, if you are reading the page and feel you could lead a session,
> > please
> > > also sign up on Meta!
> > >
> > > If there is enough interest, we will define the programme more closely
> > and
> > > work out exactly where and when.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
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[Sarah Stierch]

I agree! Great idea and thanks for sharing it.

I'm going to take a look at the meta page, and see if there is an
opportunity for some WMF support - I know Program and Evaluation could be a
great support for this potentially, and organizational structures from the
Learning and Evaluation side. (I'd look at it from my volunteer side, but,
I don't have a chapter role to call my own,) The timing is good and the
opportunity to help build capacity and professionalization is great!

Thanks Chris and all involved, (and Sophielet's see how there is
potential for cross-WMF-team-awesomeness!!)

Sarah


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Österberg
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Thank you for sharing this. I find this to be of great importance and a
> crucial step for our movement. I would be very happy to lead a session on
> programmes, and specifically Education Programmes, with its aims, current
> status and future.
>
> *Be Bold!
> Sophie Österberg
> sosterb...@wikimedia.org*
>
>
> *Every single contribution to Wikipedia is a
> gift of free knowledge to humanity. *
>
>
>
>
> 2013/8/13 Chris Keating 
>
> > At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not much
> > support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On Sunday
> > afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
> > Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some
> training
> > to help improve this situation.
> >
> > I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to
> be
> > organised in the early part of 2014:
> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal
> >
> > This is open to all Chapter (or indeed Thematic Organisation) boards, but
> > is particularly focused on board members in those organisations that
> have,
> > or will soon have, staff. And while this is being organised by "chapter
> > people", we hope to engage with Foundation, FDC and Affcom wherever this
> > will be relevant.
> >
> > If you are on a Wikimedia movement Board and are interested in attending,
> > please sign up on the Meta page!
> > Also, if you are reading the page and feel you could lead a session,
> please
> > also sign up on Meta!
> >
> > If there is enough interest, we will define the programme more closely
> and
> > work out exactly where and when.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris
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[Sophie Österberg]

Chris,

Thank you for sharing this. I find this to be of great importance and a
crucial step for our movement. I would be very happy to lead a session on
programmes, and specifically Education Programmes, with its aims, current
status and future.

*Be Bold!
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sosterb...@wikimedia.org*


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2013/8/13 Chris Keating 

> At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not much
> support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On Sunday
> afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
> Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some training
> to help improve this situation.
>
> I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to be
> organised in the early part of 2014:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal
>
> This is open to all Chapter (or indeed Thematic Organisation) boards, but
> is particularly focused on board members in those organisations that have,
> or will soon have, staff. And while this is being organised by "chapter
> people", we hope to engage with Foundation, FDC and Affcom wherever this
> will be relevant.
>
> If you are on a Wikimedia movement Board and are interested in attending,
> please sign up on the Meta page!
> Also, if you are reading the page and feel you could lead a session, please
> also sign up on Meta!
>
> If there is enough interest, we will define the programme more closely and
> work out exactly where and when.
>
> Regards,
>
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[Chris Keating]

At Wikimania there was (not for the first time) discussion that not much
support and advice there is available to Chapter board members. On Sunday
afternoon a small group of us (myself, Markus Glaser, Michał Buczyński,
Claudia Garad) met to work out how we could actually provide some training
to help improve this situation.

I am pleased to say we have a definite proposal for a 2-day workshop to be
organised in the early part of 2014:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Boards_training_workshop_proposal

This is open to all Chapter (or indeed Thematic Organisation) boards, but
is particularly focused on board members in those organisations that have,
or will soon have, staff. And while this is being organised by "chapter
people", we hope to engage with Foundation, FDC and Affcom wherever this
will be relevant.

If you are on a Wikimedia movement Board and are interested in attending,
please sign up on the Meta page!
Also, if you are reading the page and feel you could lead a session, please
also sign up on Meta!

If there is enough interest, we will define the programme more closely and
work out exactly where and when.

Regards,

Chris
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