Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Philippe Beaudette]

Tom, I'm sorry, but just sending another link doesn't expose your thoughts
at all.  Could you please spell out what you were trying to say?

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On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <
everton...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2013/3/1 James Alexander :
>
> > I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were
> trying
> > to say with this link?
>
>
> http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Cap%C3%ADtulos/Resposta_aos_questionamentos_2010_02
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

2013/3/1 James Alexander :

> I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were trying
> to say with this link?

http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Cap%C3%ADtulos/Resposta_aos_questionamentos_2010_02

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[James Alexander]

2013/3/1 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 

> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124118.html
>
> --
> 
>

Hey Tom,

I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were trying
to say with this link?

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124118.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Asaf Bartov]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 1, 2013 11:27 PM, "Michael Peel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that
> email into account.
>
> Then your first question confuses me. That email clearly says they haven't
> incorporated. That means they can't have signed the chapter's agreement,
> since there is no entity to sign it... (To my knowledge, chapter's
> agreements are always entered into by chapters in their own names, not by
> individuals.)
>

That's correct.

And to Mike's second question: the group is not _barred_ from seeking
recognition as a chapter once more.  It can do so at any time.  As things
stand, though, the group does not meet AffCom's criteria for chapters, so
if attempted right now, the group would not attain recognition.  That fact,
combined with the availability of the User Group model of affiliation,
seems to suggest an easy low-commitment path for the Kenyan group to
develop.  As Bence pointed out, a successful Kenyan WUG could well be the
basis for a future chapter.

Cheers,

   Asaf
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Thomas Dalton]

On Mar 1, 2013 11:27 PM, "Michael Peel" 
wrote:
>
> Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that
email into account.

Then your first question confuses me. That email clearly says they haven't
incorporated. That means they can't have signed the chapter's agreement,
since there is no entity to sign it... (To my knowledge, chapter's
agreements are always entered into by chapters in their own names, not by
individuals.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Bence Damokos]

Hi Mike,

They have not yet incorporated and haven't signed a chapters agreement.
They are not being encouraged to incorporate without being certain that
they want to and are able to take on the responsibilities of running an
organization (with the requirements to file government reports; have annual
assemblies, etc.).

Incorporation is not needed for recognition as a user group, although it is
a possibility. It is a less formal way of association than that which is
required for a chapter, but if a user group is stable and big enough
conversion into a chapter is a possibility.

Best regards,
Bence


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Michael Peel  wrote:

>
> On 1 Mar 2013, at 23:22, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Asaf,
> >>
> >> I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
> >>
> >
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Kenya
> >>
> >> Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
> > agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
> >>
> >> I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to
> incorporate
> > and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you
> > explain the rationale here?
> >
> > Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the
> > situation quite well.
> >
> > They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional
> chapter
> > status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do
> > are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough
> about
> > the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation
> > were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every
> > situation.
>
> Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email
> into account.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Michael Peel]

On 1 Mar 2013, at 23:22, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Asaf,
>> 
>> I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
>> 
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Kenya
>> 
>> Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
> agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
>> 
>> I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate
> and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you
> explain the rationale here?
> 
> Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the
> situation quite well.
> 
> They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional chapter
> status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do
> are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough about
> the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation
> were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every
> situation.

Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email into 
account.

Thanks,
Mike



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Thomas Dalton]

On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" 
wrote:
>
> Hi Asaf,
>
> I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
>
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Kenya
>
> Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
>
> I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate
and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you
explain the rationale here?

Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the
situation quite well.

They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional chapter
status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do
are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough about
the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation
were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every
situation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Michael Peel]

Hi Asaf,

I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Kenya

Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's agreement 
before 6 Feb 2013?

I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate and 
affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain 
the rationale here?

Thanks,
Mike
(Personal viewpoint)

On 1 Mar 2013, at 22:37, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
> 
> I would like to inform you that the group known as "Wikimedia Kenya" is no
> longer a provisionally-recognized chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, as
> its provisional recognition has expired, and the WMF did not extend it.
> 
> We encourage the Wikimedians in Kenya to regroup and make some plans for
> activity, and then to affiliate with the movement as a Wikimedia User Group
> (a model not available at the time the group was provisionally recognized
> as a chapter).
> 
> Please see our message to the Kenyan group on their list, here:
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediake/2013-February/003359.html
> 
> We remain supportive of the group's next steps, when they are ready to take
> them.
> 
> I am updating Meta now, but do lend a hand if I've missed anything.
> 
>   Asaf Bartov
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[Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

[Asaf Bartov]

Hello, everyone.

I would like to inform you that the group known as "Wikimedia Kenya" is no
longer a provisionally-recognized chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, as
its provisional recognition has expired, and the WMF did not extend it.

We encourage the Wikimedians in Kenya to regroup and make some plans for
activity, and then to affiliate with the movement as a Wikimedia User Group
(a model not available at the time the group was provisionally recognized
as a chapter).

Please see our message to the Kenyan group on their list, here:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediake/2013-February/003359.html

We remain supportive of the group's next steps, when they are ready to take
them.

I am updating Meta now, but do lend a hand if I've missed anything.

   Asaf Bartov
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