[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
If you live in China or the USA, no payment system is guaranteed invisible from state agents. There is no reason to believe that cryptocurrency transactions going in or out of countries with sophisticated security agencies could be any more anonymous or trustworthy than, say, an anonymous payment using Paypal. At the same time, the Wikimedia Foundation has legal and ethical obligations to not benefit from the proceeds of crime nor use its donations to fund crime, human rights abuse, or terrorism. Though it can choose to respect the anonymity of donors as requested during the donation process it is required to cooperate with US legal investigations which may make complete anonymity impossible especially for large donations or large projects that it provides money or chooses to invest its slush fund in. It would be great if the Wikimedia Foundation made a clear and measurable statement about its financial policies beyond vague statements that human rights are nice, or that money laundering is bad. On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 12:37, Nickanc Wikimedia wrote: > I am honestly shocked about how the whole discussion does not touch the > fact that for many people in many countries supporting wikimedia is > politically inconvenient and doing so in a very transparent way such as > through the banking system might result in a backslash from the authorities. > > We should first of all be neutral towards our readers on the question "do > you trust the state?", if their answer is no, a covert zero-trust way to > donate should be available. > > Il Mar 11 Gen 2022, 04:25 GorillaWarfare < > gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting >> cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations >> . >> >> Sincerely, >> Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare >> she/her >> >> ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/YLL6PM4N4EBKUILIXJH6EILOZXN5EJZB/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
Hoi, For what it is worth, I don't mind the WMF accepting crypto.. I do mind WMF hanging on to crypto currencies. So when they get it and monetise it immediately, all well and good. The motto being: You do not look a gift horse in the mouth ... Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 04:26, GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting > cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations > . > > Sincerely, > Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > she/her > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XRXIWLO7776X2BC2AHWEMF4XJCL5ROFF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/6VI7ZVFYEO7AXWELY2CHD7JQFPVDA5JN/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
Implying the most common cryptos are actually safe by this pont of view. Vito Il giorno mer 12 gen 2022 alle ore 13:37 Nickanc Wikimedia < nickanc.w...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I am honestly shocked about how the whole discussion does not touch the > fact that for many people in many countries supporting wikimedia is > politically inconvenient and doing so in a very transparent way such as > through the banking system might result in a backslash from the authorities. > > We should first of all be neutral towards our readers on the question "do > you trust the state?", if their answer is no, a covert zero-trust way to > donate should be available. > > Il Mar 11 Gen 2022, 04:25 GorillaWarfare < > gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting >> cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations >> . >> >> Sincerely, >> Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare >> she/her >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XRXIWLO7776X2BC2AHWEMF4XJCL5ROFF/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7K4EHHOGCGR4QCNSRJ7IJKHOV47RKNCV/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KI2U6FK3FXSAT66H6ZNVGUQ6IAJA3VGJ/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
I am honestly shocked about how the whole discussion does not touch the fact that for many people in many countries supporting wikimedia is politically inconvenient and doing so in a very transparent way such as through the banking system might result in a backslash from the authorities. We should first of all be neutral towards our readers on the question "do you trust the state?", if their answer is no, a covert zero-trust way to donate should be available. Il Mar 11 Gen 2022, 04:25 GorillaWarfare ha scritto: > Hello all, > > I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting > cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations > . > > Sincerely, > Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > she/her > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XRXIWLO7776X2BC2AHWEMF4XJCL5ROFF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7K4EHHOGCGR4QCNSRJ7IJKHOV47RKNCV/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
Hmm, I'd be interested to hear a nuanced opinion from [[User:Gmaxwell]], if still active. sincerely, Kim On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 08:47:38AM +0100, Vi to wrote: > Long overdue! > > Vito > > Il giorno mar 11 gen 2022 alle ore 04:25 GorillaWarfare < > gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting > > cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations > > . > > > > Sincerely, > > Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > > she/her > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XRXIWLO7776X2BC2AHWEMF4XJCL5ROFF/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7UZBDERYNFZOUG6T7VJYCYAGKHVDZPIN/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KMXPET2LEMY2J3IHYIDP2POVNFN2RLGZ/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations
Long overdue! Vito Il giorno mar 11 gen 2022 alle ore 04:25 GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hello all, > > I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting > cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations > . > > Sincerely, > Molly White (User:GorillaWarfare) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare > she/her > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XRXIWLO7776X2BC2AHWEMF4XJCL5ROFF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7UZBDERYNFZOUG6T7VJYCYAGKHVDZPIN/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
