[Wikimedia-l] Re: Why do translations of the Central Notice banners take time to go live?

2023-09-02 Thread A. Aafi 
Yes, and I feel TA's should be allowed to mark translations as "published". Not 
just ready. I will check with the phabricator task during late night.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Why do translations of the Central Notice banners take time to go live?

2023-09-02 Thread Ciell Wikipedia 
Correction:
"... but there are also some double names in this list
"

Best,
Ciell


Op za 2 sep 2023 om 18:35 schreef Ciell Wikipedia :

> Thanks Aafi!
> I was not sure how limited this right was, so thanks for confirming this.
> This means that only CN admins (52 accounts now have this right, but there
> are a lot of double names in this list
> )
> and Stewards (27 people at the moment) can do this. One of the suggested
> improvements in the exchange on Phabricator now is to indeed add the right
> to publish the translations of CN banners to the rights of translation
> admins.
>
> (Mind you: there was also a very persistent bug
>  that was solved around
> June/July this year, that indeed prevented users to mark the translations
> as patrolled. That bug is solved now, and this feature request actually
> evolved out of that specific bug report.)
>
> Best,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op za 2 sep 2023 om 15:44 schreef The Aafi :
>
>> Thank you Ciell for writing this in detail. However, I've an observation:
>>
>> I am a translation admin and unfortunately this doesn't work well with
>> me. I have add incidents when I couldn't mark the translations live.
>>
>> C.F:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Wikipedia_Pages_Wanting_Photos_Campaign_2023#Central_Notice_admin_comments
>>
>> Regards
>> Aafi
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, 10:36 am Ciell Wikipedia, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I am one of the Central Notice banner admins that create our banners on
>>> the Wikimedia projects that inform you about for instance the Wikimedia
>>> Sound logo contest, Wikimania or at the moment the consultation round for
>>> the Movement Charter drafts.
>>> As you may not be aware, for these kinds of global banners where we ask
>>> for community members to help with the availability of languages (the
>>> "[Help with translations!]" text at the bottom), all incoming translated
>>> messages need to be manually set to live by a Steward, CN admin, or Meta
>>> translation admin - and we don't have too many of these.
>>>
>>> From my own experience, this can be a long and intensive process because
>>> I don't speak all of our languages and Google and Yandex don't know several
>>> of them either.
>>> With 60-80 translations per global banner, it is a lot of work to check
>>> sentence by sentence if the proposed text (and also the corrections that
>>> may come in at a later moment) makes sense. To make this process easier and
>>> more equitable for both sides (CN  admins/stewards and community members) I
>>> created this feature request on Phabricator
>>> , to hopefully put more
>>> power to the community in this process.
>>>
>>> If you have additional thoughts on this, please add them to the request
>>> on Phabricator.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ciell
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Why do translations of the Central Notice banners take time to go live?

2023-09-02 Thread Ciell Wikipedia 
Thanks Aafi!
I was not sure how limited this right was, so thanks for confirming this.
This means that only CN admins (52 accounts now have this right, but there
are a lot of double names in this list
) and
Stewards (27 people at the moment) can do this. One of the suggested
improvements in the exchange on Phabricator now is to indeed add the right
to publish the translations of CN banners to the rights of translation
admins.

(Mind you: there was also a very persistent bug
 that was solved around
June/July this year, that indeed prevented users to mark the translations
as patrolled. That bug is solved now, and this feature request actually
evolved out of that specific bug report.)

Best,
Ciell


Op za 2 sep 2023 om 15:44 schreef The Aafi :

> Thank you Ciell for writing this in detail. However, I've an observation:
>
> I am a translation admin and unfortunately this doesn't work well with me.
> I have add incidents when I couldn't mark the translations live.
>
> C.F:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Wikipedia_Pages_Wanting_Photos_Campaign_2023#Central_Notice_admin_comments
>
> Regards
> Aafi
>
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, 10:36 am Ciell Wikipedia, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am one of the Central Notice banner admins that create our banners on
>> the Wikimedia projects that inform you about for instance the Wikimedia
>> Sound logo contest, Wikimania or at the moment the consultation round for
>> the Movement Charter drafts.
>> As you may not be aware, for these kinds of global banners where we ask
>> for community members to help with the availability of languages (the
>> "[Help with translations!]" text at the bottom), all incoming translated
>> messages need to be manually set to live by a Steward, CN admin, or Meta
>> translation admin - and we don't have too many of these.
>>
>> From my own experience, this can be a long and intensive process because
>> I don't speak all of our languages and Google and Yandex don't know several
>> of them either.
>> With 60-80 translations per global banner, it is a lot of work to check
>> sentence by sentence if the proposed text (and also the corrections that
>> may come in at a later moment) makes sense. To make this process easier and
>> more equitable for both sides (CN  admins/stewards and community members) I
>> created this feature request on Phabricator
>> , to hopefully put more power
>> to the community in this process.
>>
>> If you have additional thoughts on this, please add them to the request
>> on Phabricator.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ciell
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Why do translations of the Central Notice banners take time to go live?

2023-09-02 Thread The Aafi 
Thank you Ciell for writing this in detail. However, I've an observation:

I am a translation admin and unfortunately this doesn't work well with me.
I have add incidents when I couldn't mark the translations live.

C.F:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/Wikipedia_Pages_Wanting_Photos_Campaign_2023#Central_Notice_admin_comments

Regards
Aafi

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, 10:36 am Ciell Wikipedia, 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am one of the Central Notice banner admins that create our banners on
> the Wikimedia projects that inform you about for instance the Wikimedia
> Sound logo contest, Wikimania or at the moment the consultation round for
> the Movement Charter drafts.
> As you may not be aware, for these kinds of global banners where we ask
> for community members to help with the availability of languages (the
> "[Help with translations!]" text at the bottom), all incoming translated
> messages need to be manually set to live by a Steward, CN admin, or Meta
> translation admin - and we don't have too many of these.
>
> From my own experience, this can be a long and intensive process because I
> don't speak all of our languages and Google and Yandex don't know several
> of them either.
> With 60-80 translations per global banner, it is a lot of work to check
> sentence by sentence if the proposed text (and also the corrections that
> may come in at a later moment) makes sense. To make this process easier and
> more equitable for both sides (CN  admins/stewards and community members) I
> created this feature request on Phabricator
> , to hopefully put more power
> to the community in this process.
>
> If you have additional thoughts on this, please add them to the request on
> Phabricator.
>
> Best,
> Ciell
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