Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Rand McRanderson, 09/09/2013 20:30:

Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots


https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 is only a request for almost-raw 
data to be provided to tools, it's not about taking over bots or tools.



and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to
take them over.


Instead, the WMF forced (not offered) to kill them all in few months 
when they'll kill the Toolserver. ;-) So let's focus on feasible things 
like bug 42259 instead.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[Rand McRanderson]

Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots
and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to
take them over.
On Sep 9, 2013 2:22 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)"  wrote:

> Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:
>
>> Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
>> on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
>>
>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/**glamtools/treeviews/
>>
>> I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now
>> i
>> just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
>> Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
>>
>> It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
>>
>
> That's 
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259
> The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly
> discussed at http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-**
> September/071714.html
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:

Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
on labs. The tool I use monthly is:

http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/

I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i
just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(

It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.


That's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259
The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly 
discussed at 
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071714.html


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[John]

Actually the toolserver's practice is not deactivating inactive users.
Users accounts are active for 6 months. One month before the account is set
to expire they start to receive email notifications . There are no less
than 6 reminders sent out before the account is disabled. It takes less
than 3 minutes to log into the toolserver and renew your account Its just a
single command. If a tool author cannot do that, the odds are the tool is
no longer being supported and that issues about the tool are not being
fixed. In most cases disabling the account is the correct thing to do.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

> Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
> on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
>
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/
>
> I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i
> just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
> Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
>
> It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their
> workarounds)
> > no longer work.
> >
> > The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The
> one
> > in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup
> > http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped
> > working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully
> > https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
> >
> > Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired.
> > http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange
> > that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This
> would
> > be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my
> > contributions would be deleted.
> >
> > So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up
> > and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on
> > them.
> > --
> > James Heilman
> > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >
> > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
> > www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[Sarah Stierch]

Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
on labs. The tool I use monthly is:

http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/

I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i
just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(

It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.

-Sarah


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, James Heilman  wrote:

> Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their workarounds)
> no longer work.
>
> The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The one
> in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup
> http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped
> working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully
> https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
>
> Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired.
> http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange
> that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This would
> be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my
> contributions would be deleted.
>
> So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up
> and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on
> them.
> --
> James Heilman
> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>
> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
> www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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[Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

[James Heilman]

Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their workarounds)
no longer work.

The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The one
in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup
http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped
working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully
https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php

Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired.
http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange
that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This would
be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my
contributions would be deleted.

So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up
and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on them.
-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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