[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi all,

Sad news.
The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the
situation as it looks now.

*Background*
Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by
many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a
banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to
attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia
with photos of the local cultural heritage.

Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is
no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible
participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also
participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner
above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back.



*What is the situation?*
* The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
the month September.
* The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest
in Italy and needs a banner as well.

As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks
about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only
37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time.

Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the
appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used,
and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month
September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks,
important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on
the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the
uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected.

This is what I would call a devastating effect.

And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF:
* They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past
years.
* They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate.
* And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but
it is still a mystery why that isn't possible.

This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it
was possible to move it for the second country.

This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright
situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much
much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest.
The Italian team does a great job this year.


*My conclusion*
The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content
of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this
was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a
wrong assumption somehow?

But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is
sad, very sad.


Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a
successful contest.

Greetings,

Romaine



PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this
year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Pine W]

Hi Lisa,

This is kind of confusing. Can you explain why Fundraising can't alter its
fundraising schedule for Italy in order to accomodate the WLM annual
community activity?

Thanks,
Pine
On Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM, "Romaine Wiki"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sad news.
> The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the
> situation as it looks now.
>
> *Background*
> Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by
> many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a
> banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to
> attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia
> with photos of the local cultural heritage.
>
> Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is
> no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible
> participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also
> participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner
> above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back.
>
>
>
> *What is the situation?*
> * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
> the month September.
> * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest
> in Italy and needs a banner as well.
>
> As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks
> about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only
> 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time.
>
> Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the
> appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used,
> and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month
> September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks,
> important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on
> the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the
> uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected.
>
> This is what I would call a devastating effect.
>
> And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF:
> * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past
> years.
> * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate.
> * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but
> it is still a mystery why that isn't possible.
>
> This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it
> was possible to move it for the second country.
>
> This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright
> situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much
> much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest.
> The Italian team does a great job this year.
>
>
> *My conclusion*
> The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content
> of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this
> was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a
> wrong assumption somehow?
>
> But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is
> sad, very sad.
>
>
> Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a
> successful contest.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Romaine
>
>
>
> PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this
> year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Liam Wyatt]

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip  wrote:

>
> Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
>
>  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16
fundraiser at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas

Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every year.
But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments
about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use
it.

-Liam


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Peter Southwood]

Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things? Like a 
year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not crippled at the 
last minute?
Peter

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On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip  wrote:

>
> Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
>
>  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the 2015-16 
fundraiser at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas

Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every year.
But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested comments 
about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that people use it.

-Liam


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Andrea Zanni]

[sorry for cross-posting]

Hello everyone.

Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
collaboration, I hope.

Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
agreement in which
* 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
 * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
 * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)

We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days of
September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.

I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there *is*
a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.

This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in Italy
will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
This is a pity because:
* FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
cannot really change their plans
* WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no lack
of communication.

I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
counts.
This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a fight
(or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
the most important).

What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not be
easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
management in Italy.

Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's the
most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
I don't see other solutions.

I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.

Cheers

Andrea Zanni
Wikimedia Italia

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things?
> Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
> crippled at the last minute?
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked
> by WMF fundraising
>
> On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip  wrote:
>
> >
> > Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
> >
> >  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
> feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the
> 2015-16 fundraiser at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
>
> Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every year.
> But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
> comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
> people use it.
>
> -Liam
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Laurentius]

Il giorno mar, 18/08/2015 alle 20.42 +0200, Romaine Wiki ha scritto:
> [...]
> This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult
> copyright
> situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much
> much
> much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal
> contest.
> The Italian team does a great job this year.

Since probably most people in wikimedia-l are not aware of this, I'll
add some background on the Italian situation an Wiki loves monuments,
and why it's actually extra sad for Italy in particular.

Wiki loves monuments is a big global project (one of the most successful
ever), but in Italy it's a bit peculiar.
The basic issue is that in Italy not only we don't have freedom of
panorama, but there is actually a law that prohibits to take pictures of
monuments, unless you get a specific authorization (and of course there
is no list of Italian monuments and no simple way to know who is
responsible for a specific monument).
Since we are not people easy to stop, four years ago we decided to start
asking for authorizations: we wrote to thousands of municipalities and
other institutions.
But every cloud has a silver lining, and we turned this problem into an
occasion to build relationships. For this year's edition, we secured
authorizations from 200 municipalities and 100 other institutions (so
far); and with part of them we are organizing events (~40) during
September.
This is a huge work: apart from the many volunteers involved, we have a
full time employee for WLM (Cristian Cenci) but actually also the rest
of our staff is dedicating a lot of time to this (summing up, 1,5-2 FTEs
as a yearly average). In particular, the budget of WLM in Italy is
probably higher than in any other country (not because we waste money,
but because of higher stakes).
Clearly having specific authorizations is not the ideal solution, so we
are actually advocating for a change in the law. Apart from taking part
in the European effort on copyright (the FKAGEU), we are are trying to
make the Italian politicians understand the issue (among other things,
we have recently had an event in the Italian parliament).

In short, this means that WLM in Italy is planned long ahead, we have
hundreds of institutional partner, and it is central to our strategy.

Lorenzo



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[MF-Warburg]

Am 19.08.2015 11:19 schrieb "Andrea Zanni" :
>
> [sorry for cross-posting]
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
> kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
> collaboration, I hope.
>
> Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
> agreement in which
> * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
>  * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
>  * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
> campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
> fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)
>
> We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days
of
> September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
> uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.
>
> I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
> been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there
*is*
> a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
> Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
> leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.
>
> This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in
Italy
> will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
> This is a pity because:
> * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
> cannot really change their plans

How ridiculous. As if WMF would urgently need this money from Italy and as
if it's hard work to change the date when some fundraising banners are
shown to October.

> * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
> for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
> appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
> same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no
lack
> of communication.
>
> I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
> counts.
> This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a
fight
> (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
> asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
> the most important).
>
> What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
> Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
> metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not
be
> easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
> Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
> management in Italy.
>
> Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
> committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's
the
> most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
> I don't see other solutions.
>
> I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea Zanni
> Wikimedia Italia
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things?
> > Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
> > crippled at the last minute?
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt
> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked
> > by WMF fundraising
> >
> > On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
> > >
> > >  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
> > feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the
> > 2015-16 fundraiser at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
> >
> > Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates every
year.
> > But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
> > comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
> > people use it.
> >
> > -Liam
> >
> >
> > --
> > wittylama.com
> > Peace, love & meta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Chris Keating]

I can definitely understand your frustration, Romaine.

However, if there is a strong operational reason why the Fundraising team
can't move the activity they have planned for Italy in September, then I
can't really see what resolution there can be except for sharing the banner
space.

Normally though one would expect repeated banner impressions to have
diminishing returns, rather than increasing returns - so I would expect the
impact on Wiki Loves Monuments to be a fair bit less than what you make out.

One thing I don't understand though - I thought fundraising banners were
set to display ~once per person these days, rather than actually site-wide
as they used to - is it not possible to have the (less intrusive) WLM
banner displaying for the people who aren't getting the fundraising
messages?

Thanks,

Chris








On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Romaine Wiki 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sad news.
> The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the
> situation as it looks now.
>
> *Background*
> Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by
> many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a
> banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to
> attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia
> with photos of the local cultural heritage.
>
> Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there is
> no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible
> participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site. Also
> participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the banner
> above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back.
>
>
>
> *What is the situation?*
> * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
> the month September.
> * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest
> in Italy and needs a banner as well.
>
> As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks
> about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only
> 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time.
>
> Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the
> appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is used,
> and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month
> September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks,
> important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on
> the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the
> uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected.
>
> This is what I would call a devastating effect.
>
> And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF:
> * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past
> years.
> * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate.
> * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month, but
> it is still a mystery why that isn't possible.
>
> This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it
> was possible to move it for the second country.
>
> This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult copyright
> situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much
> much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal contest.
> The Italian team does a great job this year.
>
>
> *My conclusion*
> The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content
> of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that this
> was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a
> wrong assumption somehow?
>
> But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This is
> sad, very sad.
>
>
> Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a
> successful contest.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Romaine
>
>
>
> PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this
> year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Ziko van Dijk]

An excellent idea, Chris.

I am curious what are the exact reasons for having the fundraising banner
in September. We were always told that December is the best month. It is no
secret that many (and which) chapters run the WLM event in September. Maybe
the FR team can explain about that, so that we have the bigger picture.

Kind regards
Ziko


Am Mittwoch, 19. August 2015 schrieb Chris Keating :

> I can definitely understand your frustration, Romaine.
>
> However, if there is a strong operational reason why the Fundraising team
> can't move the activity they have planned for Italy in September, then I
> can't really see what resolution there can be except for sharing the banner
> space.
>
> Normally though one would expect repeated banner impressions to have
> diminishing returns, rather than increasing returns - so I would expect the
> impact on Wiki Loves Monuments to be a fair bit less than what you make
> out.
>
> One thing I don't understand though - I thought fundraising banners were
> set to display ~once per person these days, rather than actually site-wide
> as they used to - is it not possible to have the (less intrusive) WLM
> banner displaying for the people who aren't getting the fundraising
> messages?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Romaine Wiki  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sad news.
> > The title of this thread seems a bit hard, but that is practically the
> > situation as it looks now.
> >
> > *Background*
> > Wiki Loves Monuments is the yearly photo contest since 2010, organised by
> > many local Wikipedia communities and local chapters. For this contest a
> > banner is shown on top of Wikipedia pages in the specific countries to
> > attract attention from the public to participate in enriching Wikipedia
> > with photos of the local cultural heritage.
> >
> > Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner. When there
> is
> > no banner, the uploads and results drop dramatically, as possible
> > participants are not informed and can't easily find the contest site.
> Also
> > participants need time to go on location to take photos and see the
> banner
> > above Wikipedia afterwards to find their way back.
> >
> >
> >
> > *What is the situation?*
> > * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
> > the month September.
> > * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the
> contest
> > in Italy and needs a banner as well.
> >
> > As there can be shown only one banner at the time, there have been talks
> > about these conflicting banners. Result: Wiki Loves Monuments get only
> > 37,5% of the time, the fundraising banner 62,5% of the time.
> >
> > Now you maybe think that 37,5% of the time is still large, but the
> > appearances are deceptive because of the different ways the banner is
> used,
> > and because the differences in numbers of upload throughout the month
> > September. Also the banner is not shown at all during two full weeks,
> > important weeks to attract participants. In the end I estimate, based on
> > the usage and issues of previous years, etc, that only 10-15% of the
> > uploads are made in comparison what normally would have been expected.
> >
> > This is what I would call a devastating effect.
> >
> > And this is purely because of bad planning at WMF:
> > * They haven't checked which countries participated continuously the past
> > years.
> > * They haven't informed which countries are likely to participate.
> > * And they say they can't move the fundraising banner to another month,
> but
> > it is still a mystery why that isn't possible.
> >
> > This same issue was originally the case in two countries, but somehow it
> > was possible to move it for the second country.
> >
> > This is really sad for Italy. Extra sad because of the difficult
> copyright
> > situation in Italy, what requires the local team already to do much much
> > much more work than in most other countries, just to have a normal
> contest.
> > The Italian team does a great job this year.
> >
> >
> > *My conclusion*
> > The community is working very hard on improving and expanding the content
> > of Wikipedia by organising Wiki Loves Monuments. I always thought that
> this
> > was the number one priority of the whole Wikimedia movement. Did I made a
> > wrong assumption somehow?
> >
> > But when it actually matters, the community project bears the bunt. This
> is
> > sad, very sad.
> >
> >
> > Please all, support the Italian team, they do a great job and deserve a
> > successful contest.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: I am one of the international organisers of Wiki Loves Monuments this
> > year, but this e-mail is written on my personal account only.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Strainu]

2015-08-18 21:42 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki :
> Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner.

It's more like 85-90% in my experience, but still a lot.

> *What is the situation?*
> * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
> the month September.
> * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the contest
> in Italy and needs a banner as well.

Why not use the sitenotice?

Strainu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

[Hong, Yongmin]

Sitenotice depends on the project, not country of users. So, users in Italy
who is browsing ko.wikipedia.org will not see the banner if it is displayed
in sitenotice, which is not the case for CentralNotice.

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2015. 8. 25. 오전 2:29에 "Strainu" 님이 작성:

> 2015-08-18 21:42 GMT+03:00 Romaine Wiki :
> > Wiki Loves Monuments depends for at least 99% on the banner.
>
> It's more like 85-90% in my experience, but still a lot.
>
> > *What is the situation?*
> > * The fundraising team plans to have a fundraising banner in Italy during
> > the month September.
> > * The local team of Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy is organising the
> contest
> > in Italy and needs a banner as well.
>
> Why not use the sitenotice?
>
> Strainu
>
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