Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Isaac Olatunde]

Hi Βικιπαιδιστής,

I am sorry to learn that you felt harassed by some users at Greek
Wikipedia. However, you wrote "*From what I understand Wikimedia foundation
is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed*". So they
are interested in helping men who are being harassed? I don't know the
logic behind that comment but it sounds like something that does not exist
anywhere. Allegations of harassment requires strong evidences and in cases
where insufficient evidences were provided, I doubt the WMF will take any
action against the alleged person. This fundamentally have nothing to do
with gender. I'll encourage you to forward any complaints and evidence of
harassment to WMF SuSa. Mailing lists like this is often not the best place
for discussing issues like this. You may want to follow Asaf's advise
above.

Regards,

Isaac

On Nov 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής" <
anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote:

I' m sorry to hear that Portuguese Wikipedia has similar problems as Greek
Wikipedia. Being the victim of harassment from administrators of Greek
Wikipedia (they post my real sex, name and email and archived my personal
data for future use to threaten me and the wikipedians who help me, telling
me that my harassment won t stop just in wikipedia but and in other social
media as the had done in the past) which led me to stop editing even tho
I'm a 100wikidayer and 100wikicommonsdayer and participated in an
international conference here in Greece presenting the work that the
community have done in Wikipedia. I think that letting fellow wikipedians
know about this kind of problems is crucial for the improvement of
community health because it can start some actions to resolve such cyber
crimes. From what I understand Wikimedia foundation is not really
interested of helping women who are being harassed as long as the bullying
is not reported to the police and the bullies are useful in wikipedia
projects as for example hosting a cee meeting or wikimania in Greece. They
are even rewarded with trips and let them participate in projects such as
women in Red, which is actually really funny if you think about it. The
bullies who sent women away from wikipedia are getting grands for
contacting workshops to find women who would like to participate in
wikipedia. :P They present themselves as educators in Greece but really who
would you like persons like that teaching their kids?
There is always a standard answer from wmf when someone complains of being
harassed: they say that this person is bitterful and not talking with
courtesy. In my case SUSA even implied that me (the victim) should
contacted my bullies and ask them politely to stop harassing me and did
absolutely nothing to help me. You see I m only a volunteer and not a
professional wikimedian so I m not really important to them.
I really hope the issues in Portuguese Wikipedia will resolve quickly
because I know how stressful and sad these situations can be not only for
the people involved but for all the community.

Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής





On 06/11/2017 11:55 μμ, Asaf Bartov wrote:

> A message from your list moderators:
>
> This thread does not belong on this list.
>
> It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
> and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
> through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
> can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
>
> However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
> can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
> way to seek help.
>
> As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
> investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
> department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
> benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
>
> The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
> they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
> pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.
>
> Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
> Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
> further escalation.
>
> (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
> sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
> yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
> alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
>
>   A.
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to  wrote:
>
> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
>> in a "reconciliation".
>>
>> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity
>> mission.
>>
>> Vito
>>
>> <
>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής]

I' m sorry to hear that Portuguese Wikipedia has similar problems as 
Greek Wikipedia. Being the victim of harassment from administrators of 
Greek Wikipedia (they post my real sex, name and email and archived my 
personal data for future use to threaten me and the wikipedians who help 
me, telling me that my harassment won t stop just in wikipedia but and 
in other social media as the had done in the past) which led me to stop 
editing even tho I'm a 100wikidayer and 100wikicommonsdayer and 
participated in an international conference here in Greece presenting 
the work that the community have done in Wikipedia. I think that letting 
fellow wikipedians know about this kind of problems is crucial for the 
improvement of community health because it can start some actions to 
resolve such cyber crimes. From what I understand Wikimedia foundation 
is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed as long 
as the bullying is not reported to the police and the bullies are useful 
in wikipedia projects as for example hosting a cee meeting or wikimania 
in Greece. They are even rewarded with trips and let them participate in 
projects such as women in Red, which is actually really funny if you 
think about it. The bullies who sent women away from wikipedia are 
getting grands for contacting workshops to find women who would like to 
participate in wikipedia. :P They present themselves as educators in 
Greece but really who would you like persons like that teaching their kids?
There is always a standard answer from wmf when someone complains of 
being harassed: they say that this person is bitterful and not talking 
with courtesy. In my case SUSA even implied that me (the victim) should 
contacted my bullies and ask them politely to stop harassing me and did 
absolutely nothing to help me. You see I m only a volunteer and not a 
professional wikimedian so I m not really important to them.
I really hope the issues in Portuguese Wikipedia will resolve quickly 
because I know how stressful and sad these situations can be not only 
for the people involved but for all the community.


Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής




On 06/11/2017 11:55 μμ, Asaf Bartov wrote:

A message from your list moderators:

This thread does not belong on this list.

It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.

However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
way to seek help.

As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.

The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.

Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
further escalation.

(putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)

  A.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to  wrote:


This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
in a "reconciliation".

Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission.

Vito

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2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:


Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.

I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the

mailing

list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited
place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as
I'm concerned.

You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview
of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources

which

let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
resources to do so.

If you are interested to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[David Goodman]

The simple reply that a CC content is irrevocable shouldhave been enough to
deal with this (Unless GoDaddy got confused,)

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> A message from your list moderators:
>
> This thread does not belong on this list.
>
> It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
> and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
> through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
> can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
>
> However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
> can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
> way to seek help.
>
> As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
> investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
> department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
> benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
>
> The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
> they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
> pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.
>
> Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
> Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
> further escalation.
>
> (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
> sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
> yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
> alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
>
>  A.
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to  wrote:
>
> > This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never
> ends
> > in a "reconciliation".
> >
> > Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity
> mission.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_
> source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail
> > >
> > Mail
> > priva di virus. www.avast.com
> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_
> source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail
> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> > psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
> >
> > > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
> > >
> > > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the
> > mailing
> > > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> > > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more
> suited
> > > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> > > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far
> as
> > > I'm concerned.
> > >
> > > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an
> overview
> > > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources
> > which
> > > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> > > resources to do so.
> > >
> > > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective
> as
> > > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> > > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> > > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to
> > create
> > > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
> > >
> > > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up
> > in
> > > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > mathieu
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
> > >
> > >> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
> > >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
> > >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
> > >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
> > >>
> > >> Chico Venancio
> > >>
> > >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio :
> > >>
> > >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> > >>> lies.*
> > >>>
> > >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site
> down*.[1]
> > >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and
> Godaddy
> > >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
> > >>>
> > >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil
> > >>> that
> > >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
> > >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of
> > another
> > >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
> > >>> either
> > >>> myself or João.
> > >>>
> > >>> That he goes on an 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Asaf Bartov]

A message from your list moderators:

This thread does not belong on this list.

It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.

However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
way to seek help.

As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.

The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.

Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
further escalation.

(putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)

 A.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to  wrote:

> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
> in a "reconciliation".
>
> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission.
>
> Vito
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail
> >
> Mail
> priva di virus. www.avast.com
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail
> >
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
> psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:
>
> > Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
> >
> > I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the
> mailing
> > list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> > moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited
> > place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> > creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as
> > I'm concerned.
> >
> > You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview
> > of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources
> which
> > let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> > resources to do so.
> >
> > If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as
> > you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> > project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> > might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to
> create
> > and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
> >
> > I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up
> in
> > the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > mathieu
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
> >
> >> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
> >> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
> >> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
> >> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
> >>
> >> Chico Venancio
> >>
> >> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio :
> >>
> >> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> >>> lies.*
> >>>
> >>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
> >>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
> >>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
> >>>
> >>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil
> >>> that
> >>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
> >>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of
> another
> >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
> >>> either
> >>> myself or João.
> >>>
> >>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> >>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not
> >>> only
> >>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> >>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
> >>>
> >>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> >>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not
> >>> want
> >>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Vi to]

This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
in a "reconciliation".

Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission.

Vito


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2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:

> Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.
>
> I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the mailing
> list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
> moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited
> place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
> creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as
> I'm concerned.
>
> You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview
> of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources which
> let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and
> resources to do so.
>
> If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as
> you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research
> project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project
> might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to create
> and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.
>
> I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up in
> the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.
>
> Kind regards,
> mathieu
>
> [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline
>
>
>
> Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :
>
>> Ended up with out the links, sorry:
>> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
>> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
>> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24
>>
>> Chico Venancio
>>
>> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio :
>>
>> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
>>> lies.*
>>>
>>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
>>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
>>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
>>>
>>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil
>>> that
>>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
>>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
>>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with
>>> either
>>> myself or João.
>>>
>>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
>>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not
>>> only
>>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
>>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
>>>
>>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
>>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not
>>> want
>>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
>>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
>>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
>>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user
>>> group,
>>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
>>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
>>> facebook thread.
>>>
>>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
>>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
>>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
>>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
>>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
>>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
>>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
>>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only
>>> makes
>>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of
>>> good
>>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
>>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
>>>
>>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
>>>
>>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
>>>
>>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
>>>
>>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <
>>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com
>>>
 :
 Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write
 the
 story below.

 The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.

I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the 
mailing list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid 
list moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more 
suited place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to 
signal creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, 
as far as I'm concerned.


You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview 
of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources 
which let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest 
and resources to do so.


If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as 
you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research 
project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project 
might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to 
create and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews.


I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up 
in the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution.


Kind regards,
mathieu

[1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline


Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit :

Ended up with out the links, sorry:
[1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
[2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
[3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24

Chico Venancio

2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio :


To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
lies.*

The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]

Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil that
has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with either
myself or João.

That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not only
impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.

On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not want
his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user group,
Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
facebook thread.

The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only makes
the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of good
faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
"User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.

Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,

Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,

Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)

2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Chico Venancio]

Ended up with out the links, sorry:
[1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
[2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
[3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24

Chico Venancio

2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio :

> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> lies.*
>
> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
>
> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil that
> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with either
> myself or João.
>
> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not only
> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
>
> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not want
> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user group,
> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
> facebook thread.
>
> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only makes
> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of good
> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
>
> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
>
> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
>
> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
>
> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade  >:
>
>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write
>> the
>> story below.
>>
>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted down
>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and
>> the
>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
>> "member"
>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
>> username Joalpe.
>>
>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing me
>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from Joalpe
>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I CCBWIKI
>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which he
>> is a co-author.
>>
>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu Brazil
>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site the
>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
>> license.
>>
>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki
>> Edu
>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
>>
>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the texts
>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the
>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish it,
>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that we
>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Chico Venancio]

To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious lies.*

The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]

Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil that
has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with either
myself or João.

That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not only
impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.

On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not want
his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user group,
Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
facebook thread.

The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only makes
the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of good
faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
"User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.

Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,

Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,

Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)

2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade :

> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write the
> story below.
>
> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted down
> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and the
> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a "member"
> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
> username Joalpe.
>
> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing me
> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from Joalpe
> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I CCBWIKI
> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which he
> is a co-author.
>
> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu Brazil
> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site the
> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
> license.
>
> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki Edu
> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
>
> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the texts
> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the
> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish it,
> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that we
> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to CCBWIKI,
> where it would have been originally published.
>
> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not only was
> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication could
> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his name did
> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author of the
> article did not register it correctly in the system, 

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

[Henrique de Andrade]

Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write the
story below.

The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted down
due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and the
most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a "member"
of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
username Joalpe.

My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing me
that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from Joalpe
that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I CCBWIKI
(I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which he
is a co-author.

I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu Brazil
group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site the
work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0 license.

To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki Edu
Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
(CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.

In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the texts
sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the
authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish it,
accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that we
would have copied the content from another conference, prior to CCBWIKI,
where it would have been originally published.

I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not only was
the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication could
not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his name did
not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author of the
article did not register it correctly in the system, but when clicking on
the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published
content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon Alves
on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I did
not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now know
that the same paper had been presented in September 9th.

And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his
complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our authorization for
publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of the paper
his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author to
propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the event
promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue through the
conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he would like
to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic conference that
does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an argument that
does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality of
Brazilian academy).

Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The DMCA
notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted file or
to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously opt
for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. But
within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is worth
mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the domain
wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the previous
conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in key
moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to the very
annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order to
request that the sites be republished.

Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety and the
Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support policies
provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not receive
formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal implications of
the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with groups
of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded that the
best way to defend myself would be to publicize the