Re: [Wikimedia-l] change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation)

[Nathan]

Because they are measuring different things? The first refers to newly
registered editors, which the second (judging by your summary) does
not.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
> Robert Rohde wrote:
>>...
>> early evidence that VE makes new users less likely to edit [2][3]
>>...
>> [2] 
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Results
>> [3] 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback&oldid=565381622#Some_performance_notes
>>...
>
> [2] states: "Newcomers with the VisualEditor were ~43% less likely to
> save a single edit than editors with the wikitext editor (x^2=279.4,
> p<0.001), meaning that Visual Editor presented nearly a 2:1 increase
> in editing difficulty."
>
> [3] states:
>
>> Change in total (daily) article edits since before VE became default on 1 
>> July (comparison: 18-30 June): -4.5%
>> Change in registered user article edits since before VE became default: -2.2%
>> Change in anon article edits since before VE became default: -8.6%
>
> Both of those statistics are terrible and would strongly support
> shutting the visual editor off except for opt-ins until all open bugs
> including browser and mobile device coverage are addressed before
> trying again.
>
> But why are those statistics so different?
>
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[Wikimedia-l] change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation)

[James Salsman]

Robert Rohde wrote:
>...
> early evidence that VE makes new users less likely to edit [2][3]
>...
> [2] 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Results
> [3] 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback&oldid=565381622#Some_performance_notes
>...

[2] states: "Newcomers with the VisualEditor were ~43% less likely to
save a single edit than editors with the wikitext editor (x^2=279.4,
p<0.001), meaning that Visual Editor presented nearly a 2:1 increase
in editing difficulty."

[3] states:

> Change in total (daily) article edits since before VE became default on 1 
> July (comparison: 18-30 June): -4.5%
> Change in registered user article edits since before VE became default: -2.2%
> Change in anon article edits since before VE became default: -8.6%

Both of those statistics are terrible and would strongly support
shutting the visual editor off except for opt-ins until all open bugs
including browser and mobile device coverage are addressed before
trying again.

But why are those statistics so different?

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