[Wikimediaau-l] Proposed wiki workshop: Bendigo, January 2013

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi folks, I'm asking WMAu to support a wiki eduting workshop in Bendigo
Victoria. Exact dates and exact room of venue TBC.
Feedback please:
http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/User:Leighblackall/Bendigo_Victoria_2013

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Foundation Blog post

[Leigh Blackall]

the whole series of videos called "the impact of wikipedia" is well worth
watching.
On Dec 15, 2012 11:26 AM, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> Foundation blog post about an Australian Wikimedian with a Wikimedia
> Commons/Photographic theme
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/14/the-impact-of-wikipedia-gideon-digby/
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] A couple of proposals on the WMAU wiki

[Leigh Blackall]

gt;>>  -
>>> Proposal to suspend the chapter's private members mailing list.  An
>>> alternate approach being discussed on the talk page is to put in place a
>>> code of conduct that all subscribers would be expected to adhere to.
>>>
>>> 2.
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Tony1/Proposed_membership_table -
>>> A proposed (optional) public list of chapter members and other Australian
>>> volunteers to keep a track of the geographic spread of members, and to make
>>> it easier to find Australian volunteers to collaborate with.
>>>
>>> 3.
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Leighblackall/Bendigo_Victoria_2013 -
>>> Proposal for an editing workshop, focusing on the field of Health Sciences,
>>> to take place in Bendigo in 2013.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Craig Franklin
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[Wikimediaau-l] Images of contemporary life for Indigenous Australians

[Leigh Blackall]

We've noticed a shortage of good images of contemporary life for Indigenous
Australians on Wikimedia Commons. We're looking for such images to use in a
course we're developing on Wikiversity:
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:Health_of_Indigenous_and_other_Australian_Cultures#Images_Needed

Can anyone help?

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Dumps on AARNet

[Leigh Blackall]

In what ways should we speak up John? Letters to AARnet?
On Jan 10, 2013 10:21 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:

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> Date: Jan 10, 2013 10:11 AM
> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Dumps on AARNet
> To: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" <
> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc:
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> If you're a researcher and you'd like the Wikimedia projects dumps to be
> on AARNet, looks like you need to speak up.
>  Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_**XML_dumps&curid=316421&diff=**
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Dumps on AARNet

[Leigh Blackall]

Kerry, I think given the primacy that Wikipedia now has over information,
the data within it is of crucial importance to researchers investigating
all manor if things, from information and knowledge management, to social
studies, news and journalism and propaganda. For this reason, whether we
know of a number of researchers or not, whether our peak bodies for
research and data management are up on this or not, if we few see a reason
and opportunity to take data and process it now, we should.

Then again, is there a good reason to act now? Isn't the data well managed
and preserved where it is now? If some day Australian researchers do
gravitate to that data, won't that be the time to develop processing
programs?
On Jan 11, 2013 8:07 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

> I just added this to the talk page
>
> I can certainly gather the names of some Australian researchers who would
> be interested in this. But the size would make it a better target for an
> RDSI node rather than AARNET. Researchers probably want more than just a
> mirrored dump; they would want it extracted and pre-processed in a number
> of ways for convenience in mining it in various ways. Most researchers who
> work with WIkipedia dumps have to do extensive preprocessing so the desire
> to do it once and share is definitely there. I am in conversation with an
> RDSI node and the size doesn't seem to faze them, but we would need folks
> to volunteer to help with preprocessing it.Kerry 
> Raymond<https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kerry_Raymond&action=edit&redlink=1>
>  (talk <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kerry_Raymond>) 20:59,
> 10 January 2013 (UTC)
>
> So if you are an Australian researcher interested in getting this data set
> easily accessible to Australian researchers, please let me know. also
> please forward to any researcher friends you might have and ask them to
> contact me.
>
> I've previously supervised a phd student who used a 2007 dump (from
> memory) and I am aware of other projects at QUT that used Wikipedia dumps
> in one way or another.
>
> Kerry
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 10/01/2013, at 2:51 PM, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
> In what ways should we speak up John? Letters to AARnet?
> On Jan 10, 2013 10:21 AM, "John Vandenberg"  wrote:
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>> Date: Jan 10, 2013 10:11 AM
>> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Dumps on AARNet
>> To: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" <
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>> Cc:
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>> If you're a researcher and you'd like the Wikimedia projects dumps to be
>> on AARNet, looks like you need to speak up.
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:**
>> Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_**XML_dumps&curid=316421&diff=**
>> 5001005&oldid=5000757&rcid=**3821246<https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps&curid=316421&diff=5001005&oldid=5000757&rcid=3821246>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] large collection of historic Australian photos found by UK archives

[Leigh Blackall]

Is great to see another load of historical images potentially on their way
to Commons, but in the case of Indigenous Australians, they risk not only
offending custom but reinforcing stereotypes - because imagery on Commons
relating to Indigenous Australians is almost unanimously historical, with
almost nothing representing the range of contemporary life. We need to do
more to boost the stock of contemporary images... I know the ABC is asleep,
and their archives woefully managed when it cons to copyright. Doors anyone
know about SBS?
On Jan 31, 2013 8:33 PM, "David Gerard"  wrote:

> On 31 January 2013 04:39, Kerry Raymond  wrote:
>
> > I notice that all the ones I have looked at are labelled “no known
> copyright
> > restrictions”. Would that translate to {{PD-Australia}} for uploading to
> > Commons?
>
>
> That's not a guarantee. You'd need to consider each one.
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[Wikimediaau-l] La Trobe University for Open Education Week

[Leigh Blackall]

On 12 March 2013, La Trobe University will be hosting an open conference to
discuss topics relating to open education, in conjunction with Open
Education Week. I hope people can come along, and help discussions take
shape and find depth. Details
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Open_Education_Week_2013/La_Trobe_University_Open_Conferenceand
small funding to support your attendance may be accessible here:
http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Volunteer_Support_Programme

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia in Higher Education symposium at The University of Sydney on Friday 5 April 2013

[Leigh Blackall]

last night! Jesus. I would have, but not last night, not tonight even. I
must have missed the news confirming this symposium.
On Feb 27, 2013 2:10 PM, "Toby Hudson"  wrote:

> In case anyone is not yet aware, there is going to be a Wikimedia in
> Higher Education symposium at The University of Sydney on Friday 5 April
> 2013.  Both Wikimedians and Educators are welcome.  If you are interested
> in presenting a paper, the call for papers closes tonight, so please be
> quick to at least indicate that you're interested.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney/5_April_2013
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia in Higher Education symposium at The University of Sydney on Friday 5 April 2013

[Leigh Blackall]

I sent this big noting myself, but it only went to Kerry and bounced from
Francis:

I'm on a mobile, composing this abstract, under the impression that you may
not have received many abstracts owing to a probable lack of resources in
getting the call out. Either that, or my 6 long and exhausting years
working full time in educational development across 4 educational
institutions, where I used WMF projects for education, as well as drafting
policy and supporting hundreds of academic staff to use the projects, has
gone unnoticed to the organisers of the symposium.

I would like to be a part of any development in this space, and would be
more than prepared to detail my work - some successful, most failures, and
I would like to explain why.

These include:

1. Writing the Wikibook, Open Educational Practices: a user guide for
organisations (Otago Polytechnic)

2. Managing the Wikibook project: Sustainable Business (Otago Polytechnic)

3. Co managing the Wikibook: The Anatomy and Physiology of Animals (Otago
Polytechnic)

4. Instigating and managing Otago Polytechnic's use of Wikieducator (with
intention to migrate all work to Wikiversity)

5. Instigating and initially managing the History of Paralympics Australia
project across Wikiversity, Wikipedia, Wikinews, and Commons (University of
Canberra)

6. Instigating and managing a submission to Uni Canberra's review of
Intellectual Property Policy in Wikiversity

7. Co managing 2 Recent Changes Camps at the Uni Canberra (2010 and 2011)

8. Now instigating and managing a pilot of open educational development
using the WMF projects, primarily WV at this stage, at La Trobe University

There's more, including the PhD project space on Wikiversity, but will this
do as an abstract?

On such short notice I won't be able to secure funding from La Trobe, but
if WMAu could fund my travel by land, I will look into a minibus hire and
try to convince my workmates to come with me.
On Feb 28, 2013 6:27 PM, "Chris Watkins" 
wrote:

> It's probably worth contacting them - if submissions have fallen short of
> expectations, they'll probably be very happy to have a submission by
> Monday, say.
> On 28/02/2013 6:17 PM, "Leigh Blackall"  wrote:
>
>> last night! Jesus. I would have, but not last night, not tonight even. I
>> must have missed the news confirming this symposium.
>> On Feb 27, 2013 2:10 PM, "Toby Hudson"  wrote:
>>
>>> In case anyone is not yet aware, there is going to be a Wikimedia in
>>> Higher Education symposium at The University of Sydney on Friday 5 April
>>> 2013.  Both Wikimedians and Educators are welcome.  If you are interested
>>> in presenting a paper, the call for papers closes tonight, so please be
>>> quick to at least indicate that you're interested.
>>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Wikiblame

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi folks. I tried to use the Wikiblame
tool<http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php?>to try and identify
who entered the Precursor section content of the MOOC
article, but I couldn't nail it.. is anyone good at using this or another
tool, and could teach us how to drill down? I'd like to know who entered
the info referring to the 1890s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course#Precursors

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikiblame

[Leigh Blackall]

Thanks Mark..I see now, that I used too much text in my search. Good lesson.
On Mar 20, 2013 5:47 PM, "Mark Hurd"  wrote:

> I simply searched (using wikiblame) when "1890s" was added and found this:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Massive_open_online_course&diff=next&oldid=535498509
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
>
> On 20 March 2013 16:21, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
> > Hi folks. I tried to use the Wikiblame tool to try and identify who
> entered
> > the Precursor section content of the MOOC article, but I couldn't nail
> it..
> > is anyone good at using this or another tool, and could teach us how to
> > drill down? I'd like to know who entered the info referring to the 1890s.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course#Precursors
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] FWD: [---] Missing details: the sanitisation of Tom Waterhouse's Wikipedia page

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eliminated in the second round of the show's
> 2006 season.
> >
> > It's not the first time changes to Wikipedia pages have been linked back
> to their subjects.
> >
> > In February Fairfax reported that Occupy Melbourne's official Wikipedia
> page was edited twice by a person using a City of Melbourne computer to
> remove contentious words in the lead-up to the re-election of lord mayor
> Robert Doyle last year.
> >
> > In August 2007 when John Howard was prime minister, Fairfax reported
> that staff in the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet were caught
> editing Wikipedia to remove details that might be damaging to the
> government.
> >
> > ABC TV's Media Watch then reported that staff at several media
> organisations, including Fairfax Media, were found editing their own and
> others' Wikipedia pages, with some edits heaping abuse on rivals.
> >
> > with Ben Grubb
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[Wikimediaau-l] Gold Coast Libraries Wikimedia Training Day

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi folks,

A Wikimedia training day was held at the Palm Beach Community Lounge and
Library, Queensland recently. Planning, resources and outcomes are
documented here:
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Gold_Coast_Libraries

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2030 Strategic Plan for Victorian Public Libraries

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Thanks Kerry,

I'm keen to respond in any way you thought appropriate if it meant
realising this potential. I'm based on Melbourne at the moment, happy to
run workshops, especially regional Victoria.
On 03/07/2013 5:51 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

> ** **
>
> For those of you with a taste for a bit of GLAM in your life, you might
> enjoy this 50+ page presentation of the 2030 strategic plan for Victorian
> Public Libraries
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.plvn.net.au/sites/default/files/20130527%20FINAL%20VPL2030%20Full%20Report_web.pdf
> 
>
> ** **
>
> or you can settle for my quick summary and still have time to watch the
> Tour de France tonight:
>
> ** **
>
> The focus will be on:
>
>- creativity, 
>- collaboration
>- brain health
>- dynamic learning
>- community connection.
>
> ** **
>
> Which will be manifested by libraries having fewer books (or at least
> fewer books on site) and a lot more “spaces” (see note below) and
> activities for creative pursuits and community engagements. For those of
> you in sunny Queensland, you will probably be aware of the
> changes at the State Library of Queensland that demonstrate this same
> trend, more auditoriums and meeting rooms, more lounge areas, the
> development of The Edge as a digital creativity space
>
> ** **
>
> http://edgeqld.org.au/
>
> ** **
>
> musical events, yarning evenings, etc. For example in the past month or
> two at the State Library of Queensland, I’ve done 3D printing, feeding
> slime molds and transferring jellyfish DNA into bacteria to make it glow in
> the dark – it’s a library with a lot more to offer than just books. And, as
> most of you are probably aware, SLQ has been partnering with WMAU in
> relation to image donations to Commons, regional edit training, etc.
>
> ** **
>
> So for those of you in freezing Victoria, it looks like there are
> exciting times ahead in your public libraries. While the report is not
> about the State Library of Victoria as such, nonetheless SLV folk were very
> involved in the project so I am guessing that SLV’s own future trajectory
> might be similar. So this could be a good time to explore if SLV or the
> Victorian Public Libraries might be interested in getting involved with
> WMAU as SLQ and SLNSW are doing.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> Note. Once buildings had rooms. Now buildings have spaces. The difference
> is that rooms have walls but spaces don’t have walls. Spaces are the parts
> of rooms that extend to but do not include the walls. I am unsure if spaces
> have ceilings and floors. Probably spaces extend up and down to but not
> including the ceilings and floors. However, given the forces of gravity,
> physicists continue to recommend that library spaces should be immediately
> vertically positioned above a floor, physicists being very down-to-earth
> kind of folks.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan

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I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,

Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure
use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
hub for this sort of project.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

> A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
> 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
> for money unless we have things we intend to do!).
>
> To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
> ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
> missing from the list?
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan
>
> Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan

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And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed
relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of
the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on
faculty engagement with the project

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

> I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,
>
> Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure
> use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
> practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
> campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
> a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
> hub for this sort of project.
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>
>> A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
>> 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
>> for money unless we have things we intend to do!).
>>
>> To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
>> ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
>> missing from the list?
>>
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan
>>
>> Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.
>>
>> Kerry
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan

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Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from
non-members..


   1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research
   (WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue
   for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia
   projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and
   it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research
   Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not
   to engage.
   2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable and
   sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous
   Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that
   are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki
   is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they
   need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In
   my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would
   remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was
   proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups
   in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria.


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

> And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed
> relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of
> the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on
> faculty engagement with the project
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,
>>
>> Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could
>> sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
>> practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
>> campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
>> a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
>> hub for this sort of project.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
>>> 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
>>> for money unless we have things we intend to do!).
>>>
>>> To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
>>> ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
>>> missing from the list?
>>>
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan
>>>
>>> Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan

[Leigh Blackall]

Thanks Kerry and Gnangarra.

I think the ideas I put forward are high priority, but I have a tendency to
think that way, so I'll leave it to you guys to work out. Happy to
participate in discussion trying to order the priorities though.

Regards,
Leigh

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

> ** ** **
>
> Thanks, Leigh, for your ideas. I have added them to:
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan<http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> As always we welcome feedback on this list, particularly in terms of
> establishing priorities (since we can’t do everything).
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 July 2013 10:01 AM
> *To:* Wikimedia Australia Chapter
> *Cc:* WMAu members
> *Subject:* [wmau:members] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan
>
> ** **
>
> Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from
> non-members..
>
> ** **
>
>1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research
>(WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue
>for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia
>projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and
>it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research **
>**Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no
>reason not to engage.
>2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable
>and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily
>Indigenous Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority
>groups that are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the
>closed wiki is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as
>long as they need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main
>projects. In my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians,
>this would remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John
>Vandenberg was proposing something like this last year, and I had at least
>2 large groups in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in 
>Victoria.
>
>  ** **
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
> And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed
> relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of
> the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on
> faculty engagement with the project
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,
>
> ** **
>
> Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure
> use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
> practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
> campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
> a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
> hub for this sort of project.  
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>   A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
> 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
> for money unless we have things we intend to do!).
>
> ** **
>
> To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
> ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
> missing from the list?
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan<http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...

[Leigh Blackall]

Agreed.  Also,  at least one of the International events: Wikimania, offers
support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you
outline seems a good idea.

Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the
"chinwagging" perspective,  how about ab annual event called Wikiminia?
Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and
wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag,
but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another
financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly
rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I
volunteer to help organise.
On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>  Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan:
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan
>
> ** **
>
> and I hope we will be hearing more from others!
>
> ** **
>
> In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international
> events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international
> community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about
> the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has
> been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc.
> In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being
> represented at the Chapters Conference.
>
> ** **
>
> The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of
> communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in
> particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this
> is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international
> standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were
> IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively
> electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting
> money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen
> event (meaning "who" will be there) might be an excellent investment. So
> that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Leigh Blackall]

Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
create videos about Australia related projects and interest groups? In
which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a video
overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.
On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>  In 
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
> to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s
> enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging
> fruit” projects. 
>
> ** **
>
> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
> training.
>
> ** **
>
> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
> videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t
> know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel
> costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for
> making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.
>
> ** **
>
> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem
> in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the
> visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return
> model of what we do.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...

[Leigh Blackall]

Yes, agreed. Though I think there are ways such an event can take place
cheaply, and even ways for it to make money (Rego fees but free for
members).

For example, we're pulling together a little one day conference for a
couple of hundred dollars and a heap of in kind:
http://tinyurl.com/aaaopenconf and the Sydney Uni Wikimedia in Ed symposium
was an excellent event for consolidating and extending education and
research practice, it just needed better promotion and documentation -
yearly consistency would bring that.

If the objective is to build and strengthen community, then I think a
"National" Wikiminia, hosted in a University or Glam with a heap of inkind
support, would do that. The conference format coupled with the journal
(WAJER) is inviting to academics.. If that is a target group. The Sydney
Uni symposium was the first Wikiminia in my mind.
On 21/07/2013 12:44 PM, "Craig Franklin"  wrote:

> I do like the "Wikiminia" title!
>
> But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look
> realistically at the value for money when we set up these events.  The bare
> fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive.
>  Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by
> international standards.  So before we start thinking about having more
> symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask
> ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is
> that we're looking to do.  Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of
> having face-to-face communication?
>
> The answer of course may be "yes", but that needs to be quantified before
> we go and start inviting people.  And to my mind the best way to approach
> it is not to decide to have a "real life" event, and then fill it with
> various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an
> organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to
> achieve those goals.
>
> Regards,
> Craig Franklin
>
>
> On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  Also,  at least one of the International events: Wikimania,
>> offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you
>> outline seems a good idea.
>>
>> Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the
>> "chinwagging" perspective,  how about ab annual event called Wikiminia?
>> Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and
>> wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag,
>> but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another
>> financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly
>> rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I
>> volunteer to help organise.
>> On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> and I hope we will be hearing more from others!
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international
>>> events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here.
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international
>>> community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about
>>> the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has
>>> been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc.
>>> In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being
>>> represented at the Chapters Conference.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of
>>> communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in
>>> particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this
>>> is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international
>>> standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were
>>> IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively
>>> electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting
>>> money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen
>>> event (meaning "who" will be there) might be an excellent investment. So
>>> that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> ** **
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Leigh Blackall]

Another idea for the list. .. sorry if this is already in there.

Australian Response to WMF campaigns.  Riding on the shoulder of relative
giants, when WMF run something like Wikimedia Loves Monuments, WmAu somehow
knows in advance and runs WmAu Loves Monuments. Same for the video series
Impact of Wikipedia, and so on.
On 21/07/2013 2:53 PM, "Tony Souter"  wrote:

> "we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for making
> instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively"
>
> I was assuming WMAU would hire a contractor for the tech side. There are
> skilled individuals who have the right equipment/software at home and are
> prepared to produce an excellent product. Nothing less than professional
> will do nowadays, and it could be really slick, which sends a good message
> about WMF sites. WMAU's input would be in designing and writing the vid,
> probably in consultation with the contractor. And in the first place
> deciding on what aspects of editing are the targets – and whether they'd be
> Australian-specific.
>
> All I know is that I've not yet seen a really good, attractive vid about
> editing WP. If someone has, please link me to it.
>
> Gillian White probably has a good knowledge of what is available already,
> and might be able to identify ways in which we could fill an important
> niche.
>
> T
>
>
>
> On 21/07/2013, at 8:43 AM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>
> In
> ** **
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
> 
> ** **
> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
> to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s
> enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging
> fruit” projects.
> ** **
> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
> training.
> ** **
> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
> videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t
> know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel
> costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for
> making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.
> ** **
> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).**
> **
> ** **
> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem
> in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the
> visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return
> model of what we do.
> ** **
> Kerry
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Leigh Blackall]

There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops:
http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops

If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist
On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

> ** **
>
> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff
> I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
> broken links.
>
> ** **
>
> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
> referencing key Austrlian resources)
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
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> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
> *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and
> the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG
>
> ** **
>
> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
> create videos about Australia related projects and interest
> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.
>
> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:***
> *
>
> In 
>
>  
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal<http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal>
> 
>
>  
>
> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
> to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s
> enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging
> fruit” projects. 
>
>  
>
> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
> training.
>
>  
>
> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
> videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t
> know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel
> costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for
> making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.
>
>  
>
> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).**
> **
>
>  
>
> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem
> in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the
> visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return
> model of what we do.
>
>  
>
> Kerry
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Leigh Blackall]

Yep,  the paradox of investing in software instruction by video. Best
stimulate user generated video in YouTube.
On 21/07/2013 4:17 PM, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
> visual editor
>
> On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner  wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for this reference, Leigh!
>>
>> Kerry Kilner
>>
>>
>> On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: 
>> <http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops>
>> http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops
>>
>> If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist
>> On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond" < 
>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s
>>> stuff I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
>>> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
>>> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
>>> broken links.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
>>> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
>>> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
>>> referencing key Austrlian resources)
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: 
>>> leighblack...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
>>> *To:*  kerry.raym...@gmail.com
>>> *Cc:*  
>>> wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos
>>> and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
>>> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
>>> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
>>> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
>>> create videos about Australia related projects and interest
>>> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
>>> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
>>> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.
>>>
>>> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" < 
>>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal>
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training
>>> and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the
>>> WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards
>>> “low-hanging fruit” projects. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
>>> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
>>> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
>>> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
>>> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
>>> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
>>> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
>>> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
>>> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
>>> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
>>> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
>>> training.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the
>>> Australian WP community for our edit training workshops as our library
>>> partners like to run these events on weekdays (incom

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] looking for edit training?

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi Kerry, this is the sort of thing I used to think would be of benefit to
organisations.. like La Trobe University. As I play the inside agent,
trying to generate interest in engaging the Wikimedia projects, to be able
to follow up with somewhat on-call one to one or one to few, semi
spontaneous help and support, would be excellent. I'm sure it would be
rarely used - xenophobia and all, but the offer itself is massive, when
compared to the costly and inflexible support people get for centrally
supported systems.

Naturally, I'd put my name into the ring for a Melbourne/Yarra Ranges
network of support people, and I suppose nothing need to change if that
network was simply listed on say, a WMAu page, and feedback and references
were collected on their profile, so people could look through and select
who to contact for possible support...


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

>  Although I know many of our WMAU members are experienced Wikipedia
> editors, I am aware that we do have some members who are not and would
> welcome some opportunity to learn more about it. 
>
> ** **
>
> We aren’t in a position to run large group formal training in most cities
> (for a variety of reasons) but it’s possible to do one-on-one informal
> training so long as there is a volunteer available in your area.
>
> ** **
>
> So, if you are someone who would like to get some one-on-one training,
> please contact me and let me know what area you are in. I will then call
> for volunteers for that area to assist and, if successful, put you in touch
> to make a mutually convenient arrangement to get together.
>
> ** **
>
> One comment. Obviously it’s up to the individuals to make whatever
> arrangements they are comfortable with, but I must point out that there are
> risks associated with meeting with a stranger in a private setting (this is
> always a consideration when conducting interviews in research projects). It
> might be preferable to meet in a library or other public place in the first
> instance.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] looking for edit training?

[Leigh Blackall]

Yes, brokering is a great way to do it.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

>  Thanks, Leigh, for indicating your willingness to support this.
>
> ** **
>
> Previously Tony and Sam suggested that we might create a page that listed
> people’s skills and availabilities:
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Tony1/Proposed_membership_table
>
> ** **
>
> and we could certainly do that, but it would need some contact details
> though, which people may or may not be confident about putting on a public
> page.
>
> ** **
>
> For that reason and, also, that people may be hesitant about approaching
> people on a list or there maybe nobody in their area on list, I think there
> is still merit in having a WMAU “broker” to try to match up needs with the
> appropriate volunteers.
>
> ** **
>
> My immediate desire is to ensure we are doing what we can for the training
> needs of any members, but after that I think we certainly should move to
> making this offer more widely available (and hope we aren’t over-run with
> demand) by putting it somewhere highly visible on our website “Want to know
> more about WP? Want to learn to edit WP? Contact us!”
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 29 August 2013 1:18 PM
> *To:* Kerry Raymond; Wikimedia Australia Chapter
> *Cc:* members members
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] looking for edit training?
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Kerry, this is the sort of thing I used to think would be of benefit to
> organisations.. like La Trobe University. As I play the inside agent,
> trying to generate interest in engaging the Wikimedia projects, to be able
> to follow up with somewhat on-call one to one or one to few, semi
> spontaneous help and support, would be excellent. I'm sure it would be
> rarely used - xenophobia and all, but the offer itself is massive, when
> compared to the costly and inflexible support people get for centrally
> supported systems.
>
> ** **
>
> Naturally, I'd put my name into the ring for a Melbourne/Yarra Ranges
> network of support people, and I suppose nothing need to change if that
> network was simply listed on say, a WMAu page, and feedback and references
> were collected on their profile, so people could look through and select
> who to contact for possible support... 
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Kerry Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> Although I know many of our WMAU members are experienced Wikipedia
> editors, I am aware that we do have some members who are not and would
> welcome some opportunity to learn more about it. 
>
>  
>
> We aren’t in a position to run large group formal training in most cities
> (for a variety of reasons) but it’s possible to do one-on-one informal
> training so long as there is a volunteer available in your area.
>
>  
>
> So, if you are someone who would like to get some one-on-one training,
> please contact me and let me know what area you are in. I will then call
> for volunteers for that area to assist and, if successful, put you in touch
> to make a mutually convenient arrangement to get together.
>
>  
>
> One comment. Obviously it’s up to the individuals to make whatever
> arrangements they are comfortable with, but I must point out that there are
> risks associated with meeting with a stranger in a private setting (this is
> always a consideration when conducting interviews in research projects). It
> might be preferable to meet in a library or other public place in the first
> instance.****
>
>  
>
> Kerry
>
>  
>
>  
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] access to journals

[Leigh Blackall]

Awesome realisation Liam. I'll ask my health colleagues to check out the
access to health journals through this avenue. Do you have a url to this
story,  so that I may relay it outside email?
On 24/09/2013 11:35 PM, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:

> Forwarding a conversation thread (below) from Wikimedia-l, where I just
> posted a comment that has specific relevance to Australian Wikimedians who
> might wish to access subscription databases (e.g. JSTOR).
>
> In short - if you get a free NLA library card you can get access to JSTOR
> and much more for free, offsite access too.
>
> -Liam
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Liam Wyatt 
> Date: 24 September 2013 13:06
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] access to journals
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Cc: Jake Orlowitz , English Wikipedia <
> wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> With regards to getting access to closed journals...
> I'm now working for the National Library of Australia and we offer free,
> at home, access to JSTOR and MANY other restricted access databases to
> any Australian, if they get a free library card.
> [You can see the full list at the NLA eResources page: http://www.nla.gov.
> au/app/eresources/ ]
>
> Is this unique to Australia? I must admit that I didn't realise until
> recently the extent of the restricted databases that were available for
> free to library card holders in their own home. With all the discussion
> over the years on the global Wikimedia mailing lists about trying to
> special access for Wikimedians, I had just assumed it was a global issue.
> But, at least for Australians, it's largely solved... Are other country's
> major libraries offering journal access to the public for free? If not,
> perhaps rather than trying to get special access for Wikimedians directly
> from the Database companies, we should be working to get access via Library
> subscriptions?
>
> Liam / Wittylama.
>
> [p.s. yes - I realise I'm promoting a service offered by my employer,
> sorry. But I reckon it's relevant and important that people know though.
> p.p.s. If you are Australian and want a free library card sent to you - go
> here: http://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/ ]
>
> wittylama.com
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
> On 24 September 2013 12:48, Andrea Zanni  wrote:
>
>> It's probably worth mentioning (again) that
>> we started a brand new wikimedia mailing list about Open Access:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/openaccess
>>
>> If you are interested in the topic of access to scientific/academic
>> literature, you should be there.
>> Getting access to "closed" journals is definetely something that we like
>> and must pursue,
>> but changing the very system of is more important.
>> We shouldn't have this issue at all :-)
>>
>> Aubrey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Tom Morris  wrote:
>>
>> > If you've gone to university, it's well worth looking to see if your
>> > university provide alumni access.
>> >
>> > My university, the University of London, provide alumni access to the
>> > library for £220 a year, which includes an eight book borrowing limit,
>> full
>> > JSTOR access (which doesn't have the limitation that JPASS has), Oxford
>> DNB
>> > access and some other online resources.
>> >
>> > Some universities also charge the even better price of nothing.
>> >
>> > I've put up a page in project space on English Wikipedia so we can
>> > document which institutions provide access:
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:JSTOR/Alumni_access
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tom Morris
>> > http://tommorris.org/
>> >
>> > On 24 September 2013 at 12:56:18, David Gerard (dger...@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > fyi
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message --
>> > From: Kathleen McCook 
>> > Date: 24 September 2013 12:25
>> > Subject: [WikiEN-l] access to journals
>> > To: English Wikipedia 
>> >
>> >
>> > In an effort to enhance access options for people who aren’t
>> > affiliated with universities, colleges, or high schools,
>> > not-for-profit digital library JSTOR has launched JPASS, a new program
>> > offering individual users access to 1,500 journals from JSTOR’s
>> > archive collection. The move follows the March 2012 launch of JSTOR’s
>> > Register & Readprogram, which allowed independent researchers to
>> > register for a free MyJSTOR account, and receive free, online-only
>> > access to three full-text articles every 14 days. That service has
>> > since attracted almost one million users including independent
>> > scholars, writers, business people, adjunct faculty, and others, and
>> > JSTOR plans to continue offering the service in its current form.
>> > However, in a recent survey, many of Register & Read users expressed
>> > interest in an individual subscription model that would offer enhanced
>> > access, encouraging JSTOR to move ahead with JPASS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2013/09/digital-libraries/jstor-launches-jpass-access-accounts-for-

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Leigh Blackall]

actual payment will probably not occur until early in
>>> calendar year 2014 (but I might be pleasantly surprised).  Kerry is
>>> handling the direct negotiation with APC and UQ and may be able to provide
>>> further context.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Year two and three come to about $50k a pop, but this money is *not*
>>> guaranteed.  We have been extremely upfront with everyone involved that we
>>> will only be able to fund the second and third years if we get the money
>>> from the Foundation (or from elsewhere).  So at some point we're going to
>>> need to ask for this money, but not for quite some time.  Obviously, we've
>>> been firm that the best way to actually guarantee that we'll get the
>>> funding is for the first year's investment to produce those measurable
>>> outcomes for the Wikimedia movement so we can make a good argument that
>>> it's a project worth investing further in.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> We currently have on the order of $80k in cash reserves, and if you
>>> subtract the $25k for the APC project that leaves us with about   Subtract
>>> another $5k for essential running costs over the next year (financial
>>> software, office supplies, etc etc), and that leaves us with about $50k to
>>> play with.  $50k is a lot of money and it should be possible to achieve a
>>> lot of impact with this, especially if we keep in mind that projects should
>>> be modest, measurable, and achievable.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> More generally speaking, I am wary of equating success for the chapter
>>> purely in terms of how many dollars we can squeeze out of the Foundation.
>>>  Success needs to be measured in terms of our impact, whether that is the
>>> creation of new content, the recruitment of new editors, or encouraging
>>> diversity.  I believe that by concentrating on smaller and simpler
>>> projects, we can have a measurable impact in those spaces within the next
>>> twelve months, without exhausting our reserve funds, which will put us in a
>>> much better position to request money for the Linkage Grant and other
>>> programmes in the future.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 15:18:09 +
>>> From: Adam Jenkins 
>>> To: Wikimedia-au 
>>> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding query
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> cabrrgoa3eyqtkpilw42asfhw0qsvnns5ri_hrhxa+25icoc...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I was surprised to see that WMAU didn't put in an application for funding
>>> with the FDC in the October round. As a result, we won't be getting any
>>> funds from that route in 2013, especially as we didn't apply in the
>>> earlier
>>> round. As near as I can figure, we currently have commitments of at least
>>> $54k in 2014 as part of the ARC Linkage grant, along with the $29k
>>> commitment for 2013 (which was quarantined and covered), but it seems
>>> that
>>> meeting these commitments will drain us of remaining funds unless
>>> something
>>> has changed with the Linkage grant or we have an alternative revenue
>>> stream
>>> in place.
>>>
>>> In light of comments about the possible changes to FDC funding, where
>>> does
>>> this leave us? Do we have sufficient funds to see us out until June,
>>> 2014,
>>> when the next FDC round is due to be decided?
>>>
>>> It seems that this may be worth discussing, especially if there's
>>> anything
>>> that we can do to get alternative revenue sources in place.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Adan,
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Leigh Blackall]

Could I get the link to the take again please?
On 12/10/2013 8:52 AM, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> I've also started adding info, but the last few days I've been
> sidetracked, and need to spend time chasing down the details :)
>
> Cheers
> Gnangarra
>
>
> On 11 October 2013 21:07, Craig Franklin wrote:
>
>> Bidgee and Toby,
>>
>> Thanks for preparing and adding your info to these spreadsheets.  I know
>> that filling out paperwork isn't fun but it's one of those things that has
>> to be done, so thanks for stepping up and leading the way.
>>
>> I do have some figures on editathons across NSW and Qld that I will add
>> as soon as I can locate them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 11 October 2013 18:35, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:35:13 +1100
>>> From: Robert Myers 
>>>
>>> To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter 
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
>>> Message-ID: <271ccc96-0449-4d48-b0c5-ccde898cd...@me.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> I've added my two grants, but the equipment cost (amount that I paid out
>>> of my own pocket) is just an estimate for now, until I can locate the
>>> receipt.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Bidgee
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2013, at 10:39 PM, Toby Hudson  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Kerry,
>>> >
>>> > My preferred model would be that each project/editathon/grant leader
>>> > should report their results in this tabular format, (perhaps as a
>>> > partial replacement for the written reports we've previously
>>> > submitted).  We are usually pretty proud of our how our events go, so
>>> > I expect individuals would often be happy to formally report that back
>>> > to WMAU if there's a procedure in place.
>>> >
>>> > To kick the process off, I've copied the WMF spreadsheet Whiteghost
>>> > linked to, and have started adapting it for her suggestions and for
>>> > the Australian context (e.g. Aussie dollars and Photographic Equipment
>>> > Grants).  I've also added complete current data from my 2011 small
>>> > grant, and links to the reports from some others I know about.
>>> > Everybody should feel free to start adding data on programs they know
>>> > about, and changing field titles to suit the programs we run.  I'll
>>> > start adding some of the SLNSW and QSA stuff I know about.
>>> >
>>> > Here it is in all it's glory - it is open for anyone with the link to
>>> edit:
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvHbaGUCSbP9dGppX1dhOWxka1I5MTdhMEJHcU9ILUE&usp=sharing
>>> >
>>> > Toby
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Kerry Raymond <
>>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Toby
>>> >>
>>> >> You make an excellent point and I doubt anyone will disagree that it
>>> would
>>> >> be a Good Thing to do this. Would those volunteering to do it please
>>> put
>>> >> their hands up now?
>>> >>
>>> >> [Pauses, cups hand around ear listening ...]
>>> >>
>>> >> Therein lies the problem that most volunteer organisations face.
>>> Volunteers
>>> >> do the tasks they enjoy (or at least derive satisfaction from),
>>> because they
>>> >> do it for free in their leisure time. Now sometimes a volunteer
>>> organisation
>>> >> is fortunate that there are "different strokes for different folks"
>>> and
>>> >> someone else will be quite happy to pick up the tasks another person
>>> didn't
>>> >> want to do.
>>> >>
>>> >> But sometimes there is nobody to pick it up some tasks (I recollect
>>> another
>>> >> incorporated association that endlessly tried to establish a roster
>>> for
>>> >> cleaning the toilet -- which was doomed to failure because nobody
>>> wanted to
>>> >> do it, even though everyone was in favour of a clean toilet) and I
>>> fear that
>>> >> metrics may be in that category in WMAU. If so, this is when we need
>>> to look
>>> >> at outsourcing that task. As you will all know (but maybe don't
>>> remember) we
>>> >> do now have a contracting policy
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Contracting
>>> >>
>>> >> and, any moment now (drum roll), John V will be outlining the
>>> arrangements
>>> >> for the contracting subcommittee so we can get outsourcing happening.
>>> >>
>>> >> If there are tasks we need to outsource, we need to do this now while
>>> we
>>> >> still have funds to pay for the work that needs doing. If we delay
>>> until we
>>> >> have no funds, then we are in a serious catch-22 situation. I note
>>> that a
>>> >> number of the chapters who receive FDC funding appear to use at least
>>> part
>>> >> of those funds to employ project management staff, suggesting that
>>> this is
>>> >> the kind of thing that is hard to resource with volunteers in most
>>> chapters.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kerry
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Bushfire Wikipedia interview

[Leigh Blackall]

While I wouldn't advise mentioning it in a media interview, if there were
someway to remind people that Wikipedia is ultimately political, and deeper
analysis of the edit history and userbase reveals this wonderfully. If you
did venture into this topic Liam, you might point to the profile that the
stats for English WP paint... What were they: young adult male from the
West Coast USA, educated, interested in military history, English as a
primary or only language... If opportunity presented, you might point out
that this self consciousness is part of a larger openness in the Wikimedia
projects, something quite unique for large institutions. I guess it's a
complicated way of reinforcing the advice to "check sources".
On 25/10/2013 9:11 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

> One could also comment that the citations added in the climate change
> section are to major scientific organisations in Australia and
> internationally.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 25/10/2013, at 9:07 AM, Kerry Raymond  wrote:
>
> The article has had a lot of edits in the past week and the climate change
> section looks like it has been added after the Greg Hunt story. I note a
> few familiar usernames in the edit history as well as IPs. some reverting
> has occurred.
>
> How to phrase it ... Hmm ... I think a key point is that WP is a living
> encyclopedia and events (being both the current bush fires themselves and
> the Greg Hunt statement) focus attention onto those parts of WP, which
> results in them being updated and improved. In that regard some recent
> edits have added information about the relationship between climate change
> and bush fires including citations. WP's role is not to tell people whether
> or not to believe in climate change but to present the best quality summary
> of factual information (with citations for people who want to dig deeper)
> and let people make up their own minds. Greg Hunt has made up his mind in
> one way, others may come to different conclusions. We are delighted that
> Greg Hunt regards WP as an authoritative source but we would urge all
> readers to read the cited material if they need a detailed knowledge of a
> topic on which to make important decisions.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 25/10/2013, at 8:43 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Good morning :-)
>
> I've just been called by the producer for ABC702 morning show (presenter
> is Linda Mottram) and asked to talk on radio sometime between 10 and 10:30
> about Wikipedia's errors, how we improve the contet etc, etc, - in the
> context of the recent bushfire / Greg Hunt story in the media.
>
> I can obviously talk about how we get better and that we don't pretend to
> be perfect and that we encourage people to check the footnote and make
> their own assessment... But can someone please advise on the best way to
> phrase how the specific article [[Bushfires in Australia]] appeared last
> week and what has changed? I see there is a "climate change" section - was
> that already there a few days ago? (I can check the history when I get to
> the office, on my mobile at the moment, wanted to write to you straight
> away).
>
> Any advice, ideas? I recall there being a userspace proposal on the
> chapter wiki - can someone point me to that again and advise if you think
> it's appropriate for me to try to quote?
>
> Sincerely,
> -Liam
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] each state?

[Leigh Blackall]

Regarding the NT, I noticed in my time there, Tourism NT photos on Commons.
What surprised me the most was the date of upload. Someone there was ahead
of their time.
On 03/12/2013 12:16 PM, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:

> Sats, I'm not sure why you're so cynical about this, but there indeed were
> people from each state and territory. I never said that the Eastern
> mainland states were the centre of the universe.
>
> You can see from the project page where they came from because they wrote
> newspaper articles from publications in their own state.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA_Training_November_2013#Trainees
>
> So, user:newspapertas is from tassie, user:sablecrossing is from WA. The
> other areas you've not mentioned are user:rubyandlilysmum and
> user:nikki_7619 from S.A. and user:cyclone_sunday from the N.T. You can
> also see the new newspapers for NSW, VIC,  ACT, QLD with their respective
> trainees.
>
> -Liam
>
>
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>
>
> On 3 December 2013 11:53, SatuSuro  wrote:
>
>> Liam
>>
>> ''there are a couple of trained Wikipedia editors among the staff of each
>> state/territory library now,''
>>
>> you sure about that, it would be usefull to know if that is verifiable
>> (do you have a citation with that?)
>>
>> NSW, VIC,  ACT, QLD may indeed be the centre of the universe,
>> its just havent heard who they are in WA or TAS for instance
>>
>> would be useful to know who how why what etc
>>
>> sats from wa
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity

[Leigh Blackall]

Perhaps those of us who can't go could help complete the application for
others. ..
On 13/01/2014 9:49 PM, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> There is an opportunity for someone to spend time in Antartica, as
> photographer I love to be able to do this, as Wikimedian imagine what
> content you could enhance. For me I it's either 20 years too late or 10
> years too soon, given the skills and knowledge of many people here if your
> able to apply I say go for it... applications close 30 March 2014 so give
> it some thought... Become the first Wikimedian in Residence in Antartica.
>
>
> http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2013/antarctic-arts-fellowship-apply-now
>
>
> *I havent brought this matter to the committee but I'm sure if you were to
> apply WMAU committee would consider requests for supporting documentation
> where appropriate*
> Gideon
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[Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

[Leigh Blackall]

As someone who coined a phrase "socially constructed media" back in 2004
when everyone was using "Web 2" I've been more than a little agitated by
the use of "social media" at the exclusion of the Wikimedia projects.
Either ask the stats, commentary and infographics are based on a poorly
defined category, or my understanding of the words social and media
somehow missed the new speak.

Does anyone who knows the inner workings of the Wikimedia projects have an
argument for me? I find them to be the MOST social of all the
user-generated sites I use. From sharing photos, video and graphics on
Commons, constructing reports on News, negotiating courses or documenting
research on Versity, or  writing on Books... Why does this not warrant more
than a mention in the stats, commentary and infographics about "social
media"?

Please don't tell me it's a commercial interest thing!
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media

[Leigh Blackall]

ry 2014 9:11 AM
>>> *To:* Wikimedia Australia Chapter
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Are the Wikimedia projects social media
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Leigh,
>>>
>>> as the "social media coordinator" at a cultural institution now, I'm
>>> simultaneously trying to have Wikimedia seen to be as, if not more,
>>> important than other social media platforms but also wary of tying
>>> Wikimedia too closely to the term social media because it has a connotation
>>> of being simplistic only about 'likes' etc.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I've been trying to use the phrase 'digital engagement'
>>> wherever possible which has a different vibe to it - and an implied
>>> different motive (to engage, not merely to be social).
>>>
>>> Two other concepts that I've used a lot to help define Wikimedia are
>>> Brianna Laugher's "Community Curated Works" (as opposed to User Generated
>>> Content), defined here:
>>> http://brianna.modernthings.org/article/123/an-alternative-term-for-user-generated-contentand
>>>  Lori Philips' "Open Authority", defined here:
>>> http://midea.nmc.org/2012/01/defining-open-authority-in-museums/
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> -Liam
>>>
>>>
>>>  wittylama.com
>>> Peace, love & metadata
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 February 2014 08:08, Leigh Blackall 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> As someone who coined a phrase "socially constructed media" back in 2004
>>> when everyone was using "Web 2" I've been more than a little agitated by
>>> the use of "social media" at the exclusion of the Wikimedia projects.
>>> Either ask the stats, commentary and infographics are based on a poorly
>>> defined category, or my understanding of the words social and media
>>> somehow missed the new speak.
>>>
>>> Does anyone who knows the inner workings of the Wikimedia projects have
>>> an argument for me? I find them to be the MOST social of all the
>>> user-generated sites I use. From sharing photos, video and graphics on
>>> Commons, constructing reports on News, negotiating courses or documenting
>>> research on Versity, or  writing on Books... Why does this not warrant more
>>> than a mention in the stats, commentary and infographics about "social
>>> media"?
>>>
>>> Please don't tell me it's a commercial interest thing!
>>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: ARDC: The Innovation Awards 2014 - Nominations Now Open

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-- Forwarded message --
From: "Australian Regional Development Conference Secretariat" <
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Date: 19/02/2014 1:02 PM
Subject: ARDC: The Innovation Awards 2014 - Nominations Now Open
To: 
Cc:

  *THE AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE IS HOSTING THE 2014
INNOVATION AWARDS *

You are invited to submit a nomination for The 2014 Innovation Awards which
aim to recognise and showcase individuals and organisations in four
categories.

1.  Economic Development Award - Sponsored by The Regional
Development Company
2.  Planning and Building Award
3.  Environment and Sustainability Award
4.  Community Development Award - Sponsored by Charles Sturt University

The 2014 Innovation Awards judging panel include;
Ms Susan Benedyka - Founder, Managing Director, The Regional Development
Company Pty Ltd (RDC)
Mr Cameron Little - Lecturer, University of New South Wales
Mr Tony McBurney - Director, Integrated Design Group

*Who can apply?*
Representatives from all types of organisations active in regional
development across Australia, including councils, shires, rural and
regional organisations, NGO's and government agencies that aim to better
serve their communities.

*Presentation*
The Innovation Awards is to be held in conjunction with the Australian
Regional Development Conference Dinner on October 15th at the Commercial
Club, Albury.Winners will be profiled by media partners and on the
conference website and social media.

Award Nominations close: *Tuesday 15th July 2014*

If you require more information about the Awards submission process and
sponsorship, please contact the Conference Secretariat.

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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Wikiversity- University engagement with Wikimedia projects

[Leigh Blackall]

> Leigh Blackall, 28/05/2013 11:18:
>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> Who can point me to or suggest a process for a university wishing to
>> engage Wikimedia projects? By that I mean initial consultation to get
>> advice on how to consider and formulate an appropriate plan encompasing
>> the alignment of policy and practices through to the use, development
>> and production of content. We have ideas on what steps might be good,
>> but I'm wanting suggestions and pointers from others.
>
>
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Portal
>
> Nemo
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[Wikimediaau-l] Impact Story

[Leigh Blackall]

I'm casually lobbying a webservice for researcher impact factor to add
functionality around Wikimedia Contributions and other alternative venues.
Perhaps you could help vote the suggestion up?
http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/5788952-collect-data-from-a-range-of-niche-but-probable-gr
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Impact Story

[Leigh Blackall]

Great suggestions John. Would you mind copying that to the Blog post,
and/or the suggestion so they and others see it more clearly?


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:33 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

> ImpactStory looks very interesting, especially as it is open source
> and owned by a non-profit (but I havent seen whether there charter
> ensures it will never effectively become a for-proft).
>
> They already have a Wikipedia data provider, to determine how many
> times a DOI is used on Wikipedia as a way of determining impact of a
> piece of research.
>
>
> https://github.com/total-impact/total-impact-core/blob/master/totalimpact/providers/wikipedia.py
>
> I am guessing they would be interested in code that allows them to
> determine how many visitors the Wikipedia page has, which speaks to
> the impact of the DOI being on that Wikipedia page.
>
> That would be a simple enough piece of code to write and has a very
> high chance of being incorporated into their system.
>
> 
>
> As for measuring impact of Wikimedia contributions .. I think the
> hardest part is determining which Wikimedia pages should be allocated
> to which people, so spelling fix are filtered out (easy) and reverts
> are also detected and eliminated (harder).
>
> e.g.
>
> You do want impact of
>
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
> appearing in your profile.  James Neill may also want it appearing in
> his impact, but the single edit by User:Rnfitzgerald (Robert
> Fitzgerald?) should not mean they can add it to their profile (IMO).
>
> Once the 'who can claim which pages' problem is solved, adding basic
> impact data is easy using the data already published and available via
> suitable apis
>
>
> http://stats.grok.se/en.v/latest/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
>
>
> http://stats.grok.se/json/en.v/latest30/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
>
> The simplest approach to the 'who can claim which pages' problem is
> the person must add each page individually if they feel it is
> appropriate to claim credit for it.  Then add a cross link to
> introduce peer-pressure to prevent fraudulent claims; i.e. "three
> other people also claim this page as their own work" or something
> similar.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Alexander Hayes
>  wrote:
> > Have done.
> >
> > A very important step forward to connect these organisations.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alexander Hayes
> >
> > Professional Associate, University of Canberra
> > PhD. Candidate, University of Wollongong
> > Web Developer, The Australian National University
> >
> > Mobile: +61427996984
> > Skype: alexanderhayes (Canberra)
> >
> > Portfolio: http://www.alexanderhayes.com
> > LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/alexanderhayes
> > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/alexanderhayes
> > Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlexanderHayes/posts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Leigh Blackall <
> leighblack...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm casually lobbying a webservice for researcher impact factor to add
> >> functionality around Wikimedia Contributions and other alternative
> venues.
> >> Perhaps you could help vote the suggestion up?
> >>
> >>
> http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/5788952-collect-data-from-a-range-of-niche-but-probable-gr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] CSIRO ScienceImage library now cc-by

[Leigh Blackall]

Alternatively, load the videos to Archive.org and wait for them to be
recoded OGV. Then transfer the OGVs across to Commons. It's double
handling, yes. But it's also wider distribution for reuse.

Can anyone tell me why Commons and Archive don't have a closer relationship?


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Thanks Peter, that would be great if you would use your inside-contacts.
> Much quicker and also probably more effective than a cold-call!
> Ideally they could pro-actively give us a bulk dump with the metadata that
> they specifically wish - it gives them a greater sense of having
> contributed to Wikimedia rather than just 'allowing' us to scrape the
> website. The other thing is that the videos would all need mp4 -> ogv
> conversion. This is not technically hard, but it is annoying.
> Perhaps you could see if there's someone you know inside the organisation
> who was responsible for that website who could help?
>
> Sincerely,
> -Liam
>
> wittylama.com
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
> On 7 May 2014 09:39, Peter Ansell  wrote:
>
>> Hi Liam,
>>
>> I am currently working at CSIRO if that helps. Probably quickest to
>> try getting in contact using the details at:
>>
>> http://www.scienceimage.csiro.au/pages/contact/
>>
>> If that doesn't work I will contact my local PR person to see what we
>> can do to get a bulk dump somehow.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 6 May 2014 10:24, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>> > Hello Australian and GLAMtools lists,
>> > I read today on the Creative Commons Australia blog that CSIRIO's
>> > ScienceImage library has been re-licensed to CC-BY:
>> >
>> http://creativecommons.org.au/blog/2014/04/csiro-releases-scienceimage-archive-4000-cc-by-photos-free-for-reuse/
>> > [for non-Australians CSIRO is our national science/research institute].
>> >
>> > This is a fabulous series of images, nearly all of which are useful in
>> WP
>> > articles as they are taken for 'scientific' purposes which means they
>> are
>> > easily usable as educational images. Take a look:
>> >
>> > http://www.scienceimage.csiro.au/
>> >
>> > There's also over 500 documentary video files
>> >
>> http://www.scienceimage.csiro.au/search/?tags=&keyword=&library=&assettype=video&rgb=&deviation=30&page=1
>> >
>> > Here are the subject areas they've divided things up into:
>> >
>> > Animals birds fish marine life sheep
>> > Buildings laboratories radio telescopes
>> > Food fruits vegetables seafood
>> > Insects arachnids moths termites
>> > Landscapes deserts farms mountains
>> > People In the lab in the field
>> > Plants crops flowers trees
>> > Soil Science erosion mining soils
>> > Technology computers & computer equipment
>> > Textile wool and woollen products
>> > Transportation boats
>> > Equipment industrial equipment laboratories
>> > Fire bushfire fire management
>> > Water irrigation lakes rivers
>> >
>> > Could someone on the GLAMWikiToolset users see if you can neatly extract
>> > these files to mass upload them to Commons? Equally, we could try to
>> contact
>> > CSIRO directly?
>> >
>> > -Liam
>> >
>> > wittylama.com
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments

[Leigh Blackall]

"I don’t know how it is in other countries, but we just don’t have the
ability to construct such a database without a massive manual effort."

Is it possible to pin the monuments on a  collaborative google map, then
export the data needed?
On 19/05/2014 11:04 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:

>I can add a little more as I was in the loop of some email
> conversations in 2013.
>
>
>
> A big problem for us to participate in WLM is the expectation that we can
> upload a database of monuments including lat/long coordinates for use with
> the WLM Mobile app. I don’t know how it is in other countries, but we just
> don’t have the ability to construct such a database without a massive
> manual effort. Obviously we known of various heritage registers compiled by
> the Commonwealth, states, local governments and various other organisations
> (National Trust, Engineers Institute, …), but these are generally not
> available to us in any electronic format. I’ve been in conversation about
> getting the Queensland Heritage Register released under CC-BY license which
> is apparently OK in principle, but has yet to actually occur in practice.
>  Obviously we don’t need to have every possible monument in this database,
> which is why we had thought we might start with just war memorials, as the
> upcoming Gallipoli centenary means that a lot of effort is going into
> documenting war memorials making it more likely we could obtain (or scrape)
> the data for a number of states at least.
>
>
>
> However, the WLM committee knocked back that idea. As Gnangarra has
> already said, we were told war memorials were not acceptable to them as
> monuments, despite our attempts to explain the cultural importance of war
> memorials in Australia. AFAIK, the conversation with WLM terminated on
> that rather unpleasant exchange and has not been resumed.
>
>
>
> Personally I would prefer to see a WMAU-takes-War-Memorials in the leadup
> to the Gallipoli centenary (25 April 2015)  over participating in WLM.
>  There’s plenty of scope here. In Queensland there are currently over 1300+
> documented war memorials (and no doubt many more undocumented ones), yet
> Commons has about 120 photos of them (incidentally, a big barnstar goes to
> WMAU member Mattinbgn who took and uploaded many of these Qld war memorial
> photos). And of course the impact of WW1 on Australia is more than just
> the war memorials, so we could broaden it to WMAU-takes-WW1 and encompass
> anything linked to WW1 themes relating to Australia.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
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> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 10:04 AM
> *To:* Australian Wikimedians mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments
>
>
>
> Please note I'm not speak on behalf of WMAU committee and as far as I'm
> aware no one has proposed anything to the committee in relation to WLM
>
> WLM is a complex issue
>
> As we found out last year if Australia wants to participate in WLM we
> cannot run a scaled down version, neither can we include  War Memorials
> within the scope of WLM as the definition of monuments in this project is
> not the english definition. If Australians had participated on that basis
> none of our entrants would been eligible for the international aspects so
> that would result in a very disappointing outcome for us, if not a very
> embarrassing one as well.
>
> I'm aware that this year the founding country of WLM has withdrawn, that
> is a concern if the  country the size of Netherlands doesnt have the
> capacity to continue then Australia with a significantly smaller user base
> and a significantly larger area of distribution will have potentially more
> complex capacity issues.
>
> With this knowledge I can only recommend caution, suggest that there maybe
> better alternative given the limit of resources
>
>
>
> On 18 May 2014 02:01, Russavia  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> ​​
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is going to be an Australian edition of Wiki
> Loves Monuments this year?
>
> The page is up on Commons,[1] but there's nothing there showing an
> Australian presence.
>
> Having an Aussie edition of the comp as a precursor, if there is still
> interest, in having a "war memorials" competition in the lead up to
> Anzac Day in 2015.
>
> Anyway, just wanting to put it out there that WLM is open and seeing
> if there is any interest in it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Russavia
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments

[Leigh Blackall]

Anzac Centenary Major Grants
Program<http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/index.php/veterans/veterans-grants/anzac-centenary-major-grants-program>
http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/index.php/veterans/veterans-grants/anzac-centenary-major-grants-program

The Anzac Centenary Major Grants Program provides financial assistance for
projects which commemorate, honour and remember the service and sacrifice
of Victoria's World War I veterans and their communities.

The program is designed to support significant projects between $20,000 and
$100,000 which have a commemorative or education benefit for Victoria's
diverse community.

The program supports projects in Victoria and is separate from and will
complement other Anzac Centenary grants programs delivered by the Victorian
Government and the Commonwealth.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

> Re: Is it possible to ... ?
>
> An excellent question ...
>
> See here for the WLM database requirements
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database
>
> It probably goes without saying that nothing will be in that exact format,
> but some things would be more easily converted than others. So, there are a
> few questions to ask about any resource:
>
> * how many "monuments" does it have and what kind of coverage of Australia?
> We need to get an *overall* broad coverage of Australia, rather than a few
> intensive "hot spots" for a "national" competition. But the more resources
> we have to work with, the more the workload increases as each one will
> probably require individual processing arrangements.
>
> * does it contain monuments that are off the main "tourist trail"? Anything
> in a popular tourist area has probably already generated lots of Commons
> photos. We'd like a competition to increase our coverage rather than just
> attract more photos of the Sydney Opera House and the Sydney Harbour
> Bridge.
>
> * does it contain records for things that are not monuments (even by the
> most generous interpretation, e.g. motels, restaurants, tourist information
> offices) and, if so, how easy is it to eliminate those records?
>
> * does it contain the range of information expected by the WLM database? If
> not, how close does it get?
>
> * is the format easily converted to the desired format? A technical
> question, because if we can't automate it, it's a time-consuming manual
> process.
>
> I don't think we have to be "perfect" but we do need a decent coverage of
> the monuments not already featured in Commons. I imagine we can get away
> with not filling in all the fields of the database, although I gather
> lat/long is important for showing "monuments near me" in the mobile app.
>
> The first few database fields are straightforward: Australia, English, ID
> (can be generated if underlying resource doesn't have one), adm0 =
> Australia, adm1 = State/Territory (usually can be determined), adm2 = local
> government (less likely to be known), adm3/4 not relevant to Australia,
> name
> (should be known but may not be canonical, meaning we could end up with
> duplicate entries coming from multiple sources but I don't think that is a
> show-stopper). Lat/long isn't always available in older resources, although
> newer resources increasingly have this data reflecting the now widespread
> availability of GPS-capable devices/apps. It may be possible to geocode
> using street address as an alternative (not a solution for "outback"
> monuments). I think these are not the hard ones.
>
> I note with a raised eyebrow that the database apparently requires you to
> have an image of each monument, which I thought was the purpose of the
> competition (to collect such images). Maybe a link to a copyright image on
> the web is acceptable here? This is likely to be harder to obtain
> automatically for many datasets.
>
> The other hard things are:
> * Commons category for the monument - unless we dump everything into one
> category, or some simple breakup like one category per state
> * the Wikipedia article or section for the monument -- now that's not easy
> to automate (back to the canonical naming problem) and many monuments
> probably don't yet get a mention, let alone an article.
>
> And do we have the volunteers to do all this? Past conversations have not
> yielded a lot of volunteers, and the people who do volunteer tend to be the
> "usual suspects", so it really needs "not the usual suspects" to volunteer.
>
> Kerry
>
>
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[Leigh Blackall]

Restoring Community War Memorials and Avenues of Honour Grants Program

http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/index.php/veterans/veterans-grants/commemorative-grants-restoring-war-memorials-and-avenues-of-honour

The Restoring Community War Memorials and Avenues of Honour Grants Program
supports communities in Victoria to ensure local war memorials, honour
rolls and avenues of honour are restored to their original condition or
improved to reflect the service history of the local community.

Eligibility

Any Victorian ex-service organisation, local council, school or community
group is eligible to apply.

Funding range of grant
Grants up to $20,000 per project are available


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Leigh Blackall wrote:

> Anzac Centenary Major Grants 
> Program<http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/index.php/veterans/veterans-grants/anzac-centenary-major-grants-program>
> http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/index.php/veterans/veterans-grants/anzac-centenary-major-grants-program
>
> The Anzac Centenary Major Grants Program provides financial assistance for
> projects which commemorate, honour and remember the service and sacrifice
> of Victoria's World War I veterans and their communities.
>
> The program is designed to support significant projects between $20,000
> and $100,000 which have a commemorative or education benefit for Victoria's
> diverse community.
>
> The program supports projects in Victoria and is separate from and will
> complement other Anzac Centenary grants programs delivered by the Victorian
> Government and the Commonwealth.
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>
>> Re: Is it possible to ... ?
>>
>> An excellent question ...
>>
>> See here for the WLM database requirements
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Monuments_database
>>
>> It probably goes without saying that nothing will be in that exact format,
>> but some things would be more easily converted than others. So, there are
>> a
>> few questions to ask about any resource:
>>
>> * how many "monuments" does it have and what kind of coverage of
>> Australia?
>> We need to get an *overall* broad coverage of Australia, rather than a few
>> intensive "hot spots" for a "national" competition. But the more resources
>> we have to work with, the more the workload increases as each one will
>> probably require individual processing arrangements.
>>
>> * does it contain monuments that are off the main "tourist trail"?
>> Anything
>> in a popular tourist area has probably already generated lots of Commons
>> photos. We'd like a competition to increase our coverage rather than just
>> attract more photos of the Sydney Opera House and the Sydney Harbour
>> Bridge.
>>
>> * does it contain records for things that are not monuments (even by the
>> most generous interpretation, e.g. motels, restaurants, tourist
>> information
>> offices) and, if so, how easy is it to eliminate those records?
>>
>> * does it contain the range of information expected by the WLM database?
>> If
>> not, how close does it get?
>>
>> * is the format easily converted to the desired format? A technical
>> question, because if we can't automate it, it's a time-consuming manual
>> process.
>>
>> I don't think we have to be "perfect" but we do need a decent coverage of
>> the monuments not already featured in Commons. I imagine we can get away
>> with not filling in all the fields of the database, although I gather
>> lat/long is important for showing "monuments near me" in the mobile app.
>>
>> The first few database fields are straightforward: Australia, English, ID
>> (can be generated if underlying resource doesn't have one), adm0 =
>> Australia, adm1 = State/Territory (usually can be determined), adm2 =
>> local
>> government (less likely to be known), adm3/4 not relevant to Australia,
>> name
>> (should be known but may not be canonical, meaning we could end up with
>> duplicate entries coming from multiple sources but I don't think that is a
>> show-stopper). Lat/long isn't always available in older resources,
>> although
>> newer resources increasingly have this data reflecting the now widespread
>> availability of GPS-capable devices/apps. It may be possible to geocode
>> using street address as an alternative (not a solution for "outback"
>> monuments). I think these are not the hard ones.
>>
>> I note with a raised eyebrow that the database apparently requires you to
>> have an image of each monument, which I

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research Accounts!

[Leigh Blackall]

Given that each University spends a great deal of money for subscriptions
and the like, is it a reasonable to think that they should instead pool
that money into the National Library so that everyone can have access, and
the universities can save money?
On 06/11/2014 7:37 PM, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:

> Hanks for posting that nick - I was just about to write an email to say
> the same thing :-)
> Getting a National Library of Australia card is free and online, and
> they'll post it to you anywhere in the country. From there you've got
> access to LOTS of open and closed-access databases which you can access
> from home. The off-site access part is the really special bit since this is
> often better than even university-library subscriptions to the same
> databases.
> Note also that State Libraries also run their own eResources systems
> associated with their own library cards.
>
> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, Nick Dowling 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd add that anyone with an Australian postal address can access a pretty
>> wide range of resources (including JSTOR and various Oxford databases)
>> through the National Library of Australia's website:
>> http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/
>>
>> That said, I gained a Questia account through the Wikipedia Library, and
>> it's an excellent resource.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:58:20 +1100
>> > From: rich...@ames.id.au
>> > To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library
>> Signups: Free Research Accounts!
>> >
>> > And if you are a NSW resident see:
>> >
>> > http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/eresources/
>> >
>> > for lots of 'no charge resources' (supported by your taxes) with lots of
>> > the big overseas databases and Australian ones.
>> >
>> > Regards, Richard.
>> >
>> > On 06/11/14 13:48, Charles Gregory wrote:
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > If there is anyone who thinks they would be eligible for (and benefit
>> > > from) access to the research accounts as mentioned below, please get
>> in
>> > > touch with User:Ocaasi as suggested in the email. Note that although
>> > > there aren't any accounts for Australian specific services available,
>> a
>> > > reminder that one of the better local resources - NLA's Trove
>> > > (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) - is free!
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Charles
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -- Forwarded message --
>> > > From: *Jake Orlowitz* > jorlow...@gmail.com>>
>> > > Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:30 AM
>> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research
>> > > Accounts!
>> > > To: wikipedia-libr...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > ,
>> > > wikipedi...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > ,
>> > > wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > , "Wikimedia & GLAM
>> > > collaboration [Public]" > > > >, Wikimedia & Libraries
>> > > mailto:librar...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>,
>> > > Open Access discussions > > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi!
>> > > The Wikipedia Library has new, free research donations available:
>> > >
>> > > NEW
>> > > *DeGruyter: 1000 accounts for English and German-language research,
>> sign up
>> > > on one of two language Wikipedias:
>> > > English signup 
>> > > German signup 
>> > > *Fold3: 100 accounts for American history and military archives
>> > > 
>> > > *Scotland's People: 100 accounts for Scottish Genealogy database
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > EXPANDED
>> > > *British Newspaper Archive: 100+ new accounts for British Newspapers
>> > > archives
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > OPEN
>> > > *Highbeam: 100+ accounts for newspapers and magazines
>> > > 
>> > > *Questia: 100+ accounts for various aggregated journals and social
>> science
>> > > 
>> > > *JSTOR: 100+ accounts for journal archives
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > Accounts are available to ALL global editors with a 1 year old
>> account and
>> > > 1000 edits. Please notify your local community about the signups.
>> Signups
>> > > for now are mostly on English Wikipedia, UNLESS you have started a
>> local
>> > > Wikipedia Library branch like we've done on Arabic, Chinese, and
>> German.
>> > > To get started, please contact Ocaasi at [[m:User:Ocaasi (WMF)]] or
>> > > oca...@wikimedia.org 
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > > The Wikipedia Library Team
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research Accounts!

[Leigh Blackall]

The thing is, all Australian universities are looking to cut subscriptions,
to save money, looking especially at the least used subscriptions. If they
pooled to the NLA, they'd be preserving those niche or historic
subscriptions, and increasing the diversity of options across the board.
How real is that risk of the publishers restricting the NLA. Can we use the
German model to ensure it doesn't happen?
On 07/11/2014 8:30 AM, "Juergen Fenn"  wrote:

> 2014-11-06 22:10 GMT+01:00 Liam Wyatt :
> > You'll not be surprised to hear that the idea of a single national
> license
> > has been proposed before (and especially supported by the smaller /
> > non-metropolitan universities. And you'll be equally unsurprised to hear
> > that the database companies don't like the idea.
> >
> > This is why the fact that you can get off-site access to a LOT of
> academic
> > database for free via the national library is an open-secret... The
> national
> > library is proud of the service but if university libraries stop
> subscribing
> > and instead tell their students to go via the NLA, then the database
> > companies might start disallowing offsite access in the future.
>
> I'd just like to point out that we have a similar scheme in Germany
> which is widely used and which is not dealt with  as an open secret,
> but officially. The scientific libraries at Munich, Göttingen, Berlin,
> and Frankfurt have taken over the technical and the administrative
> side, while the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft provided the money.
> Everyone living in Germany may apply for access to the databases
> available.
>
> http://www.nationallizenzen.de
> List of databases: http://www.nationallizenzen.de/angebote
>
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationallizenz#Nationallizenzen_in_Deutschland
>
> Regards,
> Jürgen.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research Accounts!

[Leigh Blackall]

Is there commentary or links documenting the attempt? It seems to me to be
something that Open Universities Australia, or Universities Australia
would/should attempt.. more so than NLA...

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> I say again: the NLA has tried, and will no doubt try again next time they
> have to renegotiate...
>
> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
>> The thing is, all Australian universities are looking to cut
>> subscriptions, to save money, looking especially at the least used
>> subscriptions. If they pooled to the NLA, they'd be preserving those niche
>> or historic subscriptions, and increasing the diversity of options across
>> the board. How real is that risk of the publishers restricting the NLA. Can
>> we use the German model to ensure it doesn't happen?
>> On 07/11/2014 8:30 AM, "Juergen Fenn" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2014-11-06 22:10 GMT+01:00 Liam Wyatt :
>>> > You'll not be surprised to hear that the idea of a single national
>>> license
>>> > has been proposed before (and especially supported by the smaller /
>>> > non-metropolitan universities. And you'll be equally unsurprised to
>>> hear
>>> > that the database companies don't like the idea.
>>> >
>>> > This is why the fact that you can get off-site access to a LOT of
>>> academic
>>> > database for free via the national library is an open-secret... The
>>> national
>>> > library is proud of the service but if university libraries stop
>>> subscribing
>>> > and instead tell their students to go via the NLA, then the database
>>> > companies might start disallowing offsite access in the future.
>>>
>>> I'd just like to point out that we have a similar scheme in Germany
>>> which is widely used and which is not dealt with  as an open secret,
>>> but officially. The scientific libraries at Munich, Göttingen, Berlin,
>>> and Frankfurt have taken over the technical and the administrative
>>> side, while the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft provided the money.
>>> Everyone living in Germany may apply for access to the databases
>>> available.
>>>
>>> http://www.nationallizenzen.de
>>> List of databases: http://www.nationallizenzen.de/angebote
>>>
>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationallizenz#Nationallizenzen_in_Deutschland
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jürgen.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research Accounts!

[Leigh Blackall]

Thanks Pru, and Liam. I'll follow it up here at La Trobe...

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Pru Mitchell 
wrote:

> Hi Leigh
>
> The Electronic Resources Australia (ERA) website has been left up by the
> National Library - in case any other organisation wanted to try and
> resurrect this program.
> http://www.nla.gov.au/content/electronic-resources-australia
>
> The Council of Australian University Librarians manage the university
> program: CAUL Electronic Information Resources Consortium (CEIRC)
> http://www.caul.edu.au/caul-programs/ceirc
>
> Cheers, Pru
> Pru Mitchell
> pru.mitch...@gmail.com
>
>
> On 7 Nov 2014, at 9:38 am, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
> Is there commentary or links documenting the attempt? It seems to me to be
> something that Open Universities Australia, or Universities Australia
> would/should attempt.. more so than NLA...
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>
>> I say again: the NLA has tried, and will no doubt try again next time
>> they have to renegotiate...
>>
>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, Leigh Blackall 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The thing is, all Australian universities are looking to cut
>>> subscriptions, to save money, looking especially at the least used
>>> subscriptions. If they pooled to the NLA, they'd be preserving those niche
>>> or historic subscriptions, and increasing the diversity of options across
>>> the board. How real is that risk of the publishers restricting the NLA. Can
>>> we use the German model to ensure it doesn't happen?
>>> On 07/11/2014 8:30 AM, "Juergen Fenn" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2014-11-06 22:10 GMT+01:00 Liam Wyatt :
>>>> > You'll not be surprised to hear that the idea of a single national
>>>> license
>>>> > has been proposed before (and especially supported by the smaller /
>>>> > non-metropolitan universities. And you'll be equally unsurprised to
>>>> hear
>>>> > that the database companies don't like the idea.
>>>> >
>>>> > This is why the fact that you can get off-site access to a LOT of
>>>> academic
>>>> > database for free via the national library is an open-secret... The
>>>> national
>>>> > library is proud of the service but if university libraries stop
>>>> subscribing
>>>> > and instead tell their students to go via the NLA, then the database
>>>> > companies might start disallowing offsite access in the future.
>>>>
>>>> I'd just like to point out that we have a similar scheme in Germany
>>>> which is widely used and which is not dealt with  as an open secret,
>>>> but officially. The scientific libraries at Munich, Göttingen, Berlin,
>>>> and Frankfurt have taken over the technical and the administrative
>>>> side, while the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft provided the money.
>>>> Everyone living in Germany may apply for access to the databases
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nationallizenzen.de
>>>> List of databases: http://www.nationallizenzen.de/angebote
>>>>
>>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationallizenz#Nationallizenzen_in_Deutschland
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jürgen.
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi Gnangara,

Is there any possibility or objection to paying someone project manage a
Wikitown project? Am thinking that some local councils or business
precincts would put up the funds, and a good project manager would honour
ask the disclosure of interests and transparency of process inside
Wikipedia. Paid photographers? Paid historians? Paid editors?

I realise this is a contentious issue, but not sure it's impossible...
On 01/05/2015 8:06 am, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> G'Day
>
> Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown projects
>
>- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia
>- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
>-
>
> I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going activity,
> the projects activity spikes depending on the availability of funding for
> each set of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the talk in
> Washington in 2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very popular the
> issue is that they require significant time to build which gets complicated
> when you rely on volunteers.
>
> I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance
>
> Gnangarra
>
> Vice President Wikimedia Australia
> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Leigh Blackall]

Thanks Gnangara, there goes my dream of travelling around Australia
initiating projects and teaching people/professionals to edit :)
On 01/05/2015 5:34 pm, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> Leigh
>
> I think its a rather complex issue and can see a few red flags there to
> start with that would cause a lot of issues,  *Paid photographers? Paid
> historians? Paid editors?*.  For Wikitowns or for that matter any project
> really needs to be driven by the volunteer community both from within and
> from the associated partners.  Someone being paid specifically to project
> manage a WikiTown wouldnt be a good perspective.  From within an LGA having
> someone in a community liason, or GLAM type position who can co-ordinate
> some of the activities should be ok, even they need to be careful with COI.
>
> I personally would discourage any paid activity as we have seen multiple
> times this inevitably triggers a lot of damage to the community and
> individuals regardless of standing.
>
> On 1 May 2015 at 14:44, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gnangara,
>>
>> Is there any possibility or objection to paying someone project manage a
>> Wikitown project? Am thinking that some local councils or business
>> precincts would put up the funds, and a good project manager would honour
>> ask the disclosure of interests and transparency of process inside
>> Wikipedia. Paid photographers? Paid historians? Paid editors?
>>
>> I realise this is a contentious issue, but not sure it's impossible...
>> On 01/05/2015 8:06 am, "Gnangarra"  wrote:
>>
>>> G'Day
>>>
>>> Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown projects
>>>
>>>- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia
>>>- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
>>>-
>>>
>>> I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going
>>> activity, the projects activity spikes depending on the availability of
>>> funding for each set of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the
>>> talk in Washington in 2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very
>>> popular the issue is that they require significant time to build which gets
>>> complicated when you rely on volunteers.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance
>>>
>>> Gnangarra
>>>
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>>> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register

[Leigh Blackall]

Good idea.

I would like to one day see this extended to producers of other media as
well. Video, animation, audio.. Which are especially useful in the projects
beyond Wikipedia. Wikinews, Books, Species, Versity...
On 7 May 2015 12:31 pm, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

> Just throwing a thought out there to discuss
>
> WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by
> photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to
> help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people
> including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance,
>
> What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration
> through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill
> requests for specific images.   WMAu could support this program by enabling
> the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover
> transport costs for such requests, with out  the need to go to the
> committee for small costs.  These photographers could also be accredited
> WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media
> accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow.
>
> Thoughts on what you like to see
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Melbourne meetup Jun 28

[Leigh Blackall]

Any chance for a weekday next one?
On 21 Jun 2015 11:57 am, "Michael Billington" 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> For those Wikimedians based in Melbourne, there will be a meetup on Sunday
> June 28, 2015 1-3pm at "Library at the Dock". This is a short walk or tram
> trip (11, 42, 48 trams) from Southern Cross station.
>
> Please add your name to the list if you're thinking of attending:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_28
>
> Seeing you there,
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Melbourne meet-up Tue Oct 20, 6pm

[Leigh Blackall]

Gosh Michael, expensive taste for a venue - or am I losing touch with what
things like beer and chips cost?
On 5 Oct 2015 9:07 pm, "Michael Billington" 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> A few of us are organising a Melbourne meet-up for Tues Oct 20. It's
> somewhat opportunistic, since [[w:User:Gnangarra]] will be in Melbourne.
>
>- *Time*- Tuesday October 20, 2015 - 6-8pm.
>- *Place*- Beer Deluxe Federation Square
>, Melbourne - Near Flinders
>St Station.
>
> All the details at:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_30
>
> Hoping to see you there,
>
> -Michael Billington
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Melbourne meet-up Tue Oct 20, 6pm

[Leigh Blackall]

Yeah, no worries.

Even a meetup inside work hours is better for me.
On 6 Oct 2015 4:10 pm, "Michael Billington" 
wrote:

> Yep, it's a pretty noisy venue too!
>
> I've put it up again in the absence of other suggestions, but if you've
> got ideas for the next meet, please share. Most places within cooee of a
> city train/tram stop should be suitable, in theory.
>
> The vibe I'm getting is that we should try to keep up a good mix of
> weekend/weekday social/workshop meetups.
>
> -Michael
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
>> Gosh Michael, expensive taste for a venue - or am I losing touch with
>> what things like beer and chips cost?
>> On 5 Oct 2015 9:07 pm, "Michael Billington" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A few of us are organising a Melbourne meet-up for Tues Oct 20. It's
>>> somewhat opportunistic, since [[w:User:Gnangarra]] will be in Melbourne.
>>>
>>>- *Time*- Tuesday October 20, 2015 - 6-8pm.
>>>- *Place*- Beer Deluxe Federation Square
>>><http://www.beerdeluxe.com.au/fed-square/>, Melbourne - Near
>>>Flinders St Station.
>>>
>>> All the details at:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_30
>>>
>>> Hoping to see you there,
>>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [HOPAU] 11/13/2015 06:40:00 PM

[Leigh Blackall]

Here's an update posted recently to the History of Paralympics Australia
project blog.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Blogger" 
Date: 13 Nov 2015 6:40 pm
Subject: [HOPAU] 11/13/2015 06:40:00 PM
To: 
Cc:

We're back! And the plan is to re-commence updating this blog as the source
of news and information about the Australian Paralympic history project.

Although it's been a three year break since this blog was maintained, there
has been lots of activity on the Australian Paralympic history project in
that time:

   - 836(+) Wikipedia articles have been created (more on them below).
   - 46 oral history interviews have been recorded under the National
   Library of Australia's Paralympic project
   

   as part of its oral history and folklore program.
   - 1,902 images from the Australian Paralympic Committee's collection of
   more than 40,000 have been digitised and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons
   

   for widespread use.
   - The APC's audio-visual collection has been digitised and catalogued by
   the National Sports Information Centre. The catalogue is fully
   discoverable online
   

   and the NSIC manages all requests for access under an agreement with the
   APC.
   - Athletes and other members of past Paralympic teams have loaned or
   donated scrapbooks, medals, uniforms and other memorabilia to the APC.
   Loaned items have been scanned or photographed and returned. Donated items
   are also scanned or photographed and stored in the APC's
   archives.Agreements with organisations such as the National Sports Museum
   mean that some of these items are on display in significant national
   collections, pending the establishment of a permanent Paralympic display.
   - The APC library in the APC Sydney office is a unique collection of
   1,312 items, including books about Paralympic sport and Paralympians,
   results from international competitions, magazines, reports, submissions
   and proposals relating to the APC and Paralympic sport. The library is
   catalogued through the NSIC and the Clearinghouse for Sport, which means
   that all items are fully discoverable online, with subsequent access
   controlled by the APC.
   - The APC archives contain more than 600 boxes of documents that date
   back to the foundation of the APC in 1990, plus uniform items and
   memorabilia that have been donated or have been archived from Games teams
   since 2000. While these are sorted and indexed, there is still a large task
   to curate the important historical documents so they are available to those
   involved in the Paralympic history project and other researchers. The
   National Library has agreed to accept the curated core collection into its
   national collection, to ensure its ongoing preservation and access to
   future researchers.
   - Work is proceeding on the written history of the Paralympic movement
   in Australia, which will include an online format with links to the
   Wikipedia articles, photos, videos, oral histories, the library and
   physical collections. The written history is due for completion in 2017.

The Wikipedia HOPAU project has been one of the great success stories. In
October 2015, the articles created through the project were collectively
viewed 114,974 times. These were the 20 most popular articles:

2000 Summer Paralympics - 1477
Ashley Adams - 1445
Australia at the 2000 Summer Paralympics - 1367
Disability sport classification - 1347
Australia at the 1992 Summer Paralympics - 1319
Ellie Cole - 1137
Kurt Fearnley - 1064
Daniel Bell (Australian swimmer) - 1019
Para-athletics classification - 984
Australia at the 1976 Summer Paralympics - 951
T44 (classification) - 947
T35 (classification) - 842
Elizabeth Edmondson - 797
T20 (classification) - 715
T37 (classification) - 713
Para-equestrian - 689
Kelly Cartwright - 684
Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics - 679
T38 (classification) - 662
T12 (classification) - 647


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata training in Oceania, SE Asia (Was: Quality issues)

[Leigh Blackall]

I'm pretty sure I could raise some interest in this at RMIT. At the very
least attendance, but perhaps venue and video documentation if needed.
On 21/12/2015 6:45 PM, "Robert Myers"  wrote:

> Hi Gideon,
>
> I've missed the other emails, only have received this one. Thought your
> email was well written.
>
> Hope you have a merry and safe Christmas. :)
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Dec 2015, at 6:26 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> This is a followup considered from the now defunct WMAU conference in QLD
> with that falling through the committee decided to continue this part as it
> was one of the important features that needs to be better understood
> locally.
>
> Details will be sent out after the silly season in short it will start in
> mid febraury in Melbourne coinciding with a libraries conference there,
> from there upto sydney, then onto canberra to coincide with a conference
> there then across to Perth from Perth the person will be heading home via
> Dubai.  There is a mini conference planned in Perth that WMID would be
> welcome to send  people to with a workshop focusing on experienced
> contributors to other projects on the next day as well.
>
> Full details will be  published in Early January
>
> On 21 December 2015 at 10:08, John Mark Vandenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>> > This is going nowhere, one of the big issues is that there is a lack of
>> > understanding on how WikiData works and whats it purpose is.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wikimedia Australia solution is invest community money into bringing
>> > someone who has contributed to Wikidata to Australia to do a series of
>> > talks and workshops around the country over a three week period.
>>
>> Ah, that sounds interesting.  Could you provide more information about
>> that please?  I havent seen this mentioned on the public mailing lists
>> before.
>>
>> Wikimedia Indonesia is doing a Wikidata project next year and lapping
>> up all the training they can get.  I am sure they would be interested
>> in having a trainer stop over in Jakarta on the way to or from
>> Australia.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia

[Leigh Blackall]

s-on editing. If not, I think give up
>> now on teaching them how to edit and just give them a talk on Wikipedia
>> instead. It’s hard enough to teach them to contribute with a computer in
>> front of them; I doubt you can do it with slides alone.
>>
>>
>>
>> A family history group is an older group of people (so are local history
>> groups). You will also have some people whose idea of “basic computer
>> skills” and yours will be very different. A lot of older people send and
>> receive email and use Google to search the web and write newsletters for
>> their golf club in Microsoft word without managing to learn how to do
>> something like copy-and-paste. It’s hard to make a citation without some
>> copy-and-paste, particularly copying the URL for web citations. Don’t
>> expect them to know what a URL is either (try “web address” while pointing
>> to it on the screen in the browser). Many are not accustomed to using
>> multiple applications/windows at the same time, so having the Wikipedia
>> article open for editing in one window and the source material in another
>> may be a new experience for them.
>>
>>
>>
>> With any group, you will have issues with copying material from other
>> websites and wanting to upload photos of unknown provenance. Most do not
>> understand copyright at all. Some will not have had a level of education
>> where they were expected to use citations and won’t know what they are and
>> why they matter. Even those with university degrees may be completely
>> unfamiliar with inline citation, being accustomed to just listing their
>> sources at the end without linking them to the claims (particularly true
>> for those in the humanities).
>>
>>
>>
>> What I tend to suggest when I get asked to do a “short intro” to
>> Wikipedia is now offer two sessions. The first one is just a talk about
>> Wikipedia aimed at reading Wikipedia with realistic expectations based on
>> knowing how it all works. Then have a second hands-on session for those
>> interested to want to learn to edit; this will be a much smaller group than
>> the first talk and you have got a lot of the learning curve about Wikipedia
>> out of the way and can focus on the skills development. If you can have
>> multiple sessions to teach the hands-on stuff, even better. Practice is
>> important.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have some slidepacks for general talks and edit training (source
>> editor) available if you want to use them as a starting point. I don’t yet
>> have a slide pack for the VE yet although I will be creating one in the
>> next week or so, as I have to deliver VE training on 8 Feb. Let me know if
>> I can help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul Foord
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 24 January 2016 2:36 PM
>> *To:* Wikimedia-au 
>> *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies
>> on Wikipedia
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I
>> offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia.
>>
>> Triggers for this were:
>>
>> - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that
>> appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub.
>> Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be
>> filled out.
>>
>> - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family
>> historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well
>> presented.
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session:
>>
>> - an intro to WP
>>
>> - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability)
>>
>> - WP:RS
>>
>> - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources)
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else
>> already doing something along these lines?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Foord
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] NSW State Library

[Leigh Blackall]

Doesn't Archive.org digitized for free if it's going on their site as
Commons? They were is 2006, I know that.
On 09/04/2016 1:46 PM, "Sam Wilson"  wrote:

> The argument for Ancestry is maybe slightly stronger, I reckon, in that
> often they're digitizing collections that are smaller and unlikely to have
> much funding (e.g. local government areas and smaller, even single churches
> sometimes). So it sort of makes sense to pay for that (because the
> organisations that own the collections can't do it).
>
> The SLNSW, on the other hand, is a single large institution and already
> has the skills and means to digitize. It's just a matter of money?
>
> Not that I know much about any of this :-) but the approach of the
> Australian War Memorial seems pretty good: get people who want particular
> items to pay for them to be digitized, and then make the digital files
> available for free to everyone else. That's the sort of non-commercial
> ethos that would be great to see within any publicly-funded institution. :)
>
> —Sam
>
> On 09/04/16 09:07, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>
> I’m with Andrew, it’s a both a blessing and a curse. I’ve seen the same
> thing happen in family history. Once the records were there in physical
> form in a distant part of the world (result: no access for most people);
> then Ancestry came along and offered to digitise them and sell
> subscriptions to access the data (result: access for anyone willing/able to
> pay). For me, I find the Ancestry subscription cost reasonable for what I
> get access to (I use it for Wikipedia research as well as family history)
> but not everyone thinks it’s affordable.
>
>
>
> So, I think the real question with SLNSW is “at what price will it become
> accessible?”.
>
>
>
> When the time is right, we should try to negotiate for the Wikipedia
> Library program to get access to some subscriptions (assuming that’s the
> model chosen – could be pay-per-view).
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Robert Myers
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 1:20 PM
> *To:* Australian Wikimedians mailing list
>  
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] NSW State Library
>
>
>
> More of a concern, IMO
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 8 Apr 2016, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Owens  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just noticed an article about the NSW State Library that's either an
> opportunity or a concern...
>
>
>
>
> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nsw-state-library-to-turn-3bn-collection-over-to-private-sector-417974
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] NSW State Library

[Leigh Blackall]

Here's an interview I recorded with their chief librarian in 2006. In it he
commits to digitizing anything we send him.

https://archive.org/details/StewartCheifet-the-InternetArchive
On 09/04/2016 6:16 PM, "Sam Wilson"  wrote:

> I don't think they'd have the resources to take on a project this big. Who
> knows though! Would certainly be cool.
>
> On 09/04/16 15:54, Leigh Blackall wrote:
>
> Doesn't Archive.org digitized for free if it's going on their site as
> Commons? They were is 2006, I know that.
> On 09/04/2016 1:46 PM, "Sam Wilson"  wrote:
>
>> The argument for Ancestry is maybe slightly stronger, I reckon, in that
>> often they're digitizing collections that are smaller and unlikely to have
>> much funding (e.g. local government areas and smaller, even single churches
>> sometimes). So it sort of makes sense to pay for that (because the
>> organisations that own the collections can't do it).
>>
>> The SLNSW, on the other hand, is a single large institution and already
>> has the skills and means to digitize. It's just a matter of money?
>>
>> Not that I know much about any of this :-) but the approach of the
>> Australian War Memorial seems pretty good: get people who want particular
>> items to pay for them to be digitized, and then make the digital files
>> available for free to everyone else. That's the sort of non-commercial
>> ethos that would be great to see within any publicly-funded institution. :)
>>
>> —Sam
>>
>> On 09/04/16 09:07, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>>
>> I’m with Andrew, it’s a both a blessing and a curse. I’ve seen the same
>> thing happen in family history. Once the records were there in physical
>> form in a distant part of the world (result: no access for most people);
>> then Ancestry came along and offered to digitise them and sell
>> subscriptions to access the data (result: access for anyone willing/able to
>> pay). For me, I find the Ancestry subscription cost reasonable for what I
>> get access to (I use it for Wikipedia research as well as family history)
>> but not everyone thinks it’s affordable.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I think the real question with SLNSW is “at what price will it become
>> accessible?”.
>>
>>
>>
>> When the time is right, we should try to negotiate for the Wikipedia
>> Library program to get access to some subscriptions (assuming that’s the
>> model chosen – could be pay-per-view).
>>
>>
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wikimediaau-l [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> 
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Robert Myers
>> *Sent:* Friday, 8 April 2016 1:20 PM
>> *To:* Australian Wikimedians mailing list
>>  
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] NSW State Library
>>
>>
>>
>> More of a concern, IMO
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On 8 Apr 2016, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Owens 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just noticed an article about the NSW State Library that's either an
>> opportunity or a concern...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nsw-state-library-to-turn-3bn-collection-over-to-private-sector-417974
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM to Wikidata to OpenStreetMaps to GoogleMaps

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi folks,

Since hosting Andy Mabbett to talk about Wikidata at RMIT Uni, we've been
percolating a possible project involving Australian public art to Wikidata
for (among other things) geolocated data and information... is anyone
working much with this sort of thing?..

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM to Wikidata to OpenStreetMaps to GoogleMaps

[Leigh Blackall]

I Sam, thanks for the reply. Sorry for my delay coming back.

> I think tourism=artwork
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dartwork> is the most
> widely-used tag in OSM (corresponds to Q838948
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q838948>, "work of art"), here's an
> example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1253343627 and the most common
> other attributes used with it
> <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=tourism&value=artwork#combinations>
> .
>
Thanks. In your example, "Mister Push It" doesn't have much in the way of
data or content linked to the OSM entry. I couldn't find an en.Wikipedia or
Wikidata entry for it either.. is what I'm imagining possible? - to embed
Wikipedia content, or Wikimedia Commons media into the OSM entry, either
directly or via Wikidata?

We're going out on a limb here at RMIT, seeing how we go hosting a
"datahack" over 2 days later this month. Hopefully the project of
generating Wikidata, Wikipedia and OSM linkages will attract interest..

Details if anyone's up for it:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rmit-teaching-and-learning-openconference-and-hackathon-tickets-28493013370

All welcome

Regards,
Leigh

> My general feeling is that spatial data in OSM is more likely to be kept
> up to date than that in WD, whereas *other* metadata is vice versa.
>
> —sam
>
> On 28/09/16 10:00, Leigh Blackall wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Since hosting Andy Mabbett to talk about Wikidata at RMIT Uni, we've been
> percolating a possible project involving Australian public art to Wikidata
> for (among other things) geolocated data and information... is anyone
> working much with this sort of thing?..
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM to Wikidata to OpenStreetMaps to GoogleMaps

[Leigh Blackall]

Big thanks to Alex Lum for attending our hackathon, which focused on
Wikidata, Query and Open Street Map. Details here:
http://dldsc.team/2016/11/02/the-hackathon-commons-to-wikidata-to-open-street-maps/

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Alex Sims  wrote:

> I’ve got a foot in both Wikipedia and OpenStreetmap camps and for the
> purposes of conflating the geodata and maintaining , it is much easier to
> have either a common unique identifier that identifies each object such as
> some national identifier from “List of Nationally Culturally Important
> Properties”, and insert into both WikiPedia and OpenStreetmap.
>
> For this case the next best solution is to link both ways i.e.:
>
> Openstreetmap: use the wikipedia:key https://wiki.
> openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia or the wikidata key https://wiki.
> openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata when it moves beyond “defacto” status
> or better.
>
> Wikipedia/Wikidata: use a key that points to the OpenStreetmap object, be
> it a node, way, area or polygon e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/node/1253343627
>
> However according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia the current practice is to link
> from Wikipedia back to a geo-coordinate, that would work as well, just a
> bit more effort if it’s not an exact match as any checking routine needs to
> allow for a bit of error.
>
> This way it is reasonably possible to keep both aligned and join (in the
> database sense) the information in both directions without having to put in
> a huge amount of effort into comparing the two data sets
>
> Alex
>
>
> On 12 Oct 2016, at 3:39 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
> I Sam, thanks for the reply. Sorry for my delay coming back.
>
>> I think tourism=artwork
>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dartwork> is the most
>> widely-used tag in OSM (corresponds to Q838948
>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q838948>, "work of art"), here's an
>> example:http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1253343627 and the most common
>> other attributes used with it
>> <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=tourism&value=artwork#combinations>
>> .
>>
> Thanks. In your example, "Mister Push It" doesn't have much in the way of
> data or content linked to the OSM entry. I couldn't find an en.Wikipedia or
> Wikidata entry for it either.. is what I'm imagining possible? - to embed
> Wikipedia content, or Wikimedia Commons media into the OSM entry, either
> directly or via Wikidata?
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[Wikimediaau-l] Citizen Science Grant

[Leigh Blackall]

Anything happening in Wikimedia Australia around this?
https://www.business.gov.au/assistance/inspiring-australia-science-engagement/citizen-science-grants



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fair Use Campaign: Technical Update

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ed (which are pretty
> obvious misdirection/straw man arguments) and to repeat the claim that Fair
> Use will mean Aussie artists will stop getting royalties - despite not
> demonstrating a single example of a royalty currently being paid for which
> would stop; nor acknowledging that 'not harming the commercial rights of
> the artist' is a key test for what counts as 'fair'.
>
> Yours in Copyrighteousness,
> -Liam  / Wittylama
>
> p.s. Also this week in Australian copyright law, the federal parliament
> approved a longstanding bill which enshrines disability access in
> accordance with our obligation under the *Marrakesh Treaty for the Blind
> and Vision Impaired*. There's also some great stuff in there for GLAMs.
> You can read about this on the EFA's press statement:
> https://www.efa.org.au/2017/06/15/copyright-amendment-bill/ or the ADA's:
> http://digital.org.au/media/australia-leads-disability-
> access-thanks-copyright-changes
> So that's pretty damn cool too!
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fair Use Campaign: Technical Update

[Leigh Blackall]

Thankyou for that detail. I'll study it and ensure I can use it as my own
response to similar such questions I get at work.
Regards,
Leigh

On 20 Jun 2017 18:47, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:

> Hi Leigh,
>
> Here is our campaign website's specific page about education
> https://www.faircopyright.org.au/education/
> And this is the specific Fair Use myth busting content on the official
> copyright advisory website for Australian schools and TAFEs "smartcopying":
> http://www.smartcopying.edu.au/law-reform/fair-use
> THAT faircopying website is the the best/most detailed/official answer to
> any question on this issue :-)
>
> My own response: the introduction of Fair Use in Australia would NOT mean
> that schools stop paying for the copying of any/all copyrighted content -
> nor does the school sector wish to do that. Furthermore, "nor harming the
> commercial market for the copyrighted work" is one of the key tests of what
> counts as Fair Use. So - for example, kids getting textbooks, or the
> showing of copyrighted films in classrooms still would be royalty-creating
> activies through the process you describe. We see a lot of well-known
> Australian authors saying things like that they'll not get any money from
> schools using their books/plays/films but it's not true.
> What WOULD change is that things like the use of websites which are
> freely/publicly accessible (but still in copyright), the use of free-to-air
> broadcasts and the use of Orphan Works would change. These are the kinds of
> things that the general public does NOT pay for, but currently the schools
> sector DOES. No one is asking for money for these things, and the
> collecting agency gets to take a cut. In fact, because no one is following
> up on that money, the collecting agency has been able to funnel it into a
> lobbying fund: using the schools' own money to fight against changes which
> would allow schools to not have to spend money to use free-access (but
> in-copyright) websites http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-
> news/copyright-agency-diverts-funds-meant-for-authors-to-
> 15m-fighting-fund-20170420-gvol0w.html Personally I find this system, and
> that behaviour, utterly contemptible and morally bankrupt.
> Meanwhile, and relatedly, we know that the copyright industry is preparing
> a response to our campaign trying to say that it/we/me are somehow tainted
> with money from google. Straw man personal attacks seem likely to be the
> best they can muster as a counter argument...Meanwhile, the next stage is
> waiting to see how the Government formally responds to the Productivity
> Commission report, due "any time now".
>
> P.S. the banners are now no-longer showing on WP. The 'email your mp'
> fiction and FairCopyright website remain up though. At the moment we are
> 123 people short of a satisfactorily round "10,000" so, any late sign ups
> are welcome :-) https://www.faircopyright.org.au/take-action/
> p.p.s. My submission to wikimania on this campaign has been accepted, so
> we'll be producing some pretty graphs on the stats of pageviews/emails to
> MPs etc.
>
> -Liam
>
> Il giorno mar 20 giu 2017 alle 02:52 Leigh Blackall <
> leighblack...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Liam, thanks for the detailed report.
>>
>> I have a question relating to the counter arguments you cite. Might this
>> lobby find better examples in the education and research space? Currently,
>> Australian schools and universities pay royalties for works copied through
>> Copyright Agency Limited (CAL), based on periodic audits where CAL comes to
>> a campus library, for example, and observes photocopying and other copy
>> methods to use as a data sample to configure a general payment rate for
>> that school or university for the next period (around 5 years).. how it is
>> precisely divided up into royalties to those it is owed I don't know,
>> dubious I'd expect. Needless to say, much of what is copied in the
>> education sector is educational content, like research, textbook chapters
>> etc. I know a few academics who claim royalty checks through CAL, for their
>> works that have been copied in a library somewhere. Might Fair Use impact
>> on this? So, not so much "artists" but producers of more
>> educational-in-nature content might lose their royalties from CAL if Fair
>> Use was introduced?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Leigh
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aussiepedians again, also crossposting to the Public Policy group,
>>>
>>> TL;DR summary: Australia Fair Use campaign on Wikipedia will st

[Wikimediaau-l] Free culture as infrastructure

[Leigh Blackall]

Hello Wikimedia Australia,

Is anyone, or Wikimedia Australia, working on a submission to the Digital
Economy Strategy?
http://minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/sinodinos/media-releases/deciding-our-digital-future

I've had the not-so-fantastic idea of referring to the free and open
digital mediascape as an infrastructure.
https://leighblackall.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/notes-on-elearing-korea2017.html

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Free culture as infrastructure

[Leigh Blackall]

I posted a few things to the "Australian Digital Strategy" consultation.
Wikimedia Australia is mentioned in "Content as Infrastructure". Maybe some
folks want to give it a vote up :)

https://engage.industry.gov.au/author/LeighBlackall

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Leigh Blackall 
wrote:

> Hello Wikimedia Australia,
>
> Is anyone, or Wikimedia Australia, working on a submission to the Digital
> Economy Strategy?
> http://minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/sinodinos/media-
> releases/deciding-our-digital-future
>
> I've had the not-so-fantastic idea of referring to the free and open
> digital mediascape as an infrastructure.
> https://leighblackall.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/notes-
> on-elearing-korea2017.html
>
> Regards,
> Leigh
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Referencing NLA Trove in WP citations

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Seems reasonable to me, but if it's proving difficult to get Trove to
update their citation formatting, then best to at least demonstrate it on
the Wikipedia et al side of things. Is it possible to create a bot that
goes back through all Trove references, check the URL and add the
catelogue? Or to seamlessly add a template that asks editors to add the
catelogue number, and url to available text, and maybe Wayback machine
record of that url...

On 20 Jan 2018 10:35, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:

> There's quite a long list of improvements that could be made to the
> Wikipedia footnote format that Trove produces automatically. Many of them
> are already logged in their internal code-review system at the National
> Library but, due to internal prioritisation of the bug/feature queue this
> doesn't get very high on the list unfortunately. Originally that system was
> also only enabled on the digitised newspapers but, eventually propagated
> out to other areas of the service too where it's less applicable.
>
>
>
> On 19 January 2018 at 23:50, Peter Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I've been looking at fixing up some citations I wrote many years ago since
>> I've found that the text of the book I referenced is now available online
>> as
>> well as having a Trove reference.  Trove provides a Wikipedia citation of
>> the form:
>> {{Citation | author1=Aird, W. V | author2=Aird, W V | author3=New South
>> Wales. Metropolitan Water, Sewerage and Drainage Board | title=The water
>> supply, sewerage, and drainage of Sydney | publication-date=1961 |
>> publisher=[Metropolitan Water Sewerage and Drainage Board] | url=
>> https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/21676846 | accessdate=20 January 2018 }}
>>
>> IMHO, the "url=https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/21676846"; is inappropriate
>> since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_book says that url= is
>> "URL of an online location where the text of the publication can be found"
>> whereas the Trove link is a catalogue record.  I think a better Trove link
>> would be something like id={{Trove|21676846}} but I am unable to find any
>> suitable template.  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
>> /Template:Trove_newspaper
>> is specifically for newspapers).
>>
>> Would it be reasonable to create a Template:Trove that accepted a Trove
>> identifier and created a work identifier?  (If that was done, ideally the
>> Trave citation format would change to suit but that's a separate issue).
>>
>> (And, in this particular case, the actual text is online at
>> ttps://www.sydneywater.com.au/web/groups/publicwebcontent/do
>> cuments/document/zgrf/mdq0/~edisp/dd_044331.pdf
>> so I'd like to be have a that link and a trove reference).
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Referencing NLA Trove in WP citations

[Leigh Blackall]

Nice workflow Kerry, I'll do that in future also.

On 20 Jan 2018 16:46, "Gnangarra"  wrote:

agree with Kerry here the Trove link is more significant and proves more
information.  The Trove URL does take a person to the text, its a
maintained link where as many third party sites change their urls all to
frequently, as is currently the case in WA with 40 odd departments being
merged into less than 20 we can expect large swaths of WA Government urls
to break over the next 12-18 months.

Trove url may not fit perfectly to letter of en.wp policy but en.wp policy
does also say  *"If a rule
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines> prevents
you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia>, ignore it."*

This is one of those occasions where WP:IAR is the perfect fit,




On 20 January 2018 at 13:25, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

> There’s 2 angles to this, the Trove angle and the WIkipedia angle.
>
> On the Wikipedia side, part of the problem is that it would be nice to be
> able to have a cite book/journal way to cite both the full text *and* the
> catalogue/metadata entry (that is, two fields for different purposes. I
> have previously mentioned this somewhere on Wikipedia and basically got
> told that there was never a need for the catalogue URL so I was stupid for
> even asking. However if you look at it from a library perspective, then
> there are multiple reasons for having a URL to the catalogue entry. Firstly
> catalogue entries often contain information not easily discerned from the
> actual book text (or not in the book text at all) and Book text rarely
> links you back to the catalogue entry. A concrete example of this that
> matters to Wikipedians is this: if I just get a link to the digitised work,
> how do I know if this work is still subject to copyright or not (eg author
> dead 70+ years). The Trove catalogue shows author death dates and has the
> check copyright button. Also, if a Library has gone to the effort of
> digitizing it and has decided to make it freely available online, then
> what’s in it for them? Not a lot, but at least if you come via the
> catalogue entry, you know (and hopefully appreciate) the Library for doing
> so. Also some libraries do not store rendered forms of the full text but
> generate them from some other representation on the request (saves on
> storage). If you see an expiry date in a URL parameter, that may be the
> reason as they will only hold it in the rendered form for a day/week/month
> in which case the URL is not persistent.
>
> So in the pragmatic reality of writing a citation for Trove where there is
> online full text available, I do as follows.
>
> If the online version is available via a link in the Trove catalogue
> entry, the I just use the Trove catalogue URL (as generated by Trove), as
> it gives you both the catalogue entry and for an extra click or two the
> full text. (Yeah, it’s not the intended use of the URL field but it works
> and if the template writers won’t give me 2 URL fields, then I see this as
> their problem not mine).
>
> If the online version is not available via Trove, then sometimes I use the
> Trove citation and replace the URL field with the URL to the full text. I
> usually do this whenever there isn’t much interesting info in the Trove
> catalogue entry.
>
> Otherwise I just use the Trove citation and follow it with — full text
> available [fulltexturl online]
>
> Remember you can always put more that just a cite template inside a 
>  pair.
>
> Another gripe about the cite template family is that you cannot include
> licensing information. I would love to be able to note that a source is PD
> or CC-whatever. But again I have asked and told that readers have no need
> for such information, which I think is batshit crazy. If we believe in free
> knowledge, surely we should want to draw attention to sources that are more
> open than plain old copyright.
>
> Kerry
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20 Jan 2018, at 9:56 am, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
> Seems reasonable to me, but if it's proving difficult to get Trove to
> update their citation formatting, then best to at least demonstrate it on
> the Wikipedia et al side of things. Is it possible to create a bot that
> goes back through all Trove references, check the URL and add the
> catelogue? Or to seamlessly add a template that asks editors to add the
> catelogue number, and url to available text, and maybe Wayback machine
> record of that url...
>
> On 20 Jan 2018 10:35, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:
>
>> There's quite a long list of improvements that could be made to the
>> Wikipedia footnote format that Trove produces automatically. Many of them
>

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Referencing NLA Trove in WP citations

[Leigh Blackall]

Hi Scott, folks,

Is it problematic to pass a gov url (for eg) through The Way Back Machine
to get an Archive link and use that? I know it means we rely on Archive.org
(since 1996) and I wish we had something as reliable here..

Leigh

On 21 Jan 2018 16:25, "Scott Davis"  wrote:

> Agreed, I would happily use the Trove catalogue URL if the full text was
> linked from it, but it is harder if (as this example) the full text is
> available somewhere else. A reason to still use the catalogue entry as the
> primary URL is that it will likely persist longer than a URL provided by a
> publisher or other party. e.g. Next time the NSW government restructures
> its departments and agencies, that URL is likely to break.
>
> On the wider issue, another reason I have tried to insert two URLs in a
> cite template and failed was when I wanted to reference data from a
> spreadsheet - the downloaded spreadsheet has a date in the URL, I wanted to
> link to *exactly *where I got the information, but also to the parent
> page that contains the link that shows if there is a later edition. I ended
> up only using the latter link, I think.
>
> Scott
>
> On 20/01/2018 6:45 PM, Leigh Blackall wrote:
>
> Nice workflow Kerry, I'll do that in future also.
>
> On 20 Jan 2018 16:46, "Gnangarra"  wrote:
>
> agree with Kerry here the Trove link is more significant and proves more
> information.  The Trove URL does take a person to the text, its a
> maintained link where as many third party sites change their urls all to
> frequently, as is currently the case in WA with 40 odd departments being
> merged into less than 20 we can expect large swaths of WA Government urls
> to break over the next 12-18 months.
>
> Trove url may not fit perfectly to letter of en.wp policy but en.wp policy
> does also say  *"If a rule
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines> prevents
> you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia>, ignore it."*
>
> This is one of those occasions where WP:IAR is the perfect fit,
>
>
>
>
> On 20 January 2018 at 13:25, Kerry Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>> There’s 2 angles to this, the Trove angle and the WIkipedia angle.
>>
>> On the Wikipedia side, part of the problem is that it would be nice to be
>> able to have a cite book/journal way to cite both the full text *and* the
>> catalogue/metadata entry (that is, two fields for different purposes. I
>> have previously mentioned this somewhere on Wikipedia and basically got
>> told that there was never a need for the catalogue URL so I was stupid for
>> even asking. However if you look at it from a library perspective, then
>> there are multiple reasons for having a URL to the catalogue entry. Firstly
>> catalogue entries often contain information not easily discerned from the
>> actual book text (or not in the book text at all) and Book text rarely
>> links you back to the catalogue entry. A concrete example of this that
>> matters to Wikipedians is this: if I just get a link to the digitised work,
>> how do I know if this work is still subject to copyright or not (eg author
>> dead 70+ years). The Trove catalogue shows author death dates and has the
>> check copyright button. Also, if a Library has gone to the effort of
>> digitizing it and has decided to make it freely available online, then
>> what’s in it for them? Not a lot, but at least if you come via the
>> catalogue entry, you know (and hopefully appreciate) the Library for doing
>> so. Also some libraries do not store rendered forms of the full text but
>> generate them from some other representation on the request (saves on
>> storage). If you see an expiry date in a URL parameter, that may be the
>> reason as they will only hold it in the rendered form for a day/week/month
>> in which case the URL is not persistent.
>>
>> So in the pragmatic reality of writing a citation for Trove where there
>> is online full text available, I do as follows.
>>
>> If the online version is available via a link in the Trove catalogue
>> entry, the I just use the Trove catalogue URL (as generated by Trove), as
>> it gives you both the catalogue entry and for an extra click or two the
>> full text. (Yeah, it’s not the intended use of the URL field but it works
>> and if the template writers won’t give me 2 URL fields, then I see this as
>> their problem not mine).
>>
>> If the online version is not available via Trove, then sometimes I use
>> the Trove citation and replace the URL field with the URL to the full text.
>> I usually do this whenever there isn’t much interesting inf

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Sad news

[Leigh Blackall]

That is shockingly sad news Kerry. I only met Craig once in Brisbane, and
immediately warmed to his patient personality and generous spirit. It's
always very sobering to hear of the death of those we're familiar with,
especially one so young. I hope his family and loved ones are together. He
will be missed.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, 18:28 Kerry Raymond  wrote:

> It is with great sadness that I share with you the news that Craig
> Franklin has died.
>
>
>
> Craig has been a member of Wikimedia Australia for many years during which
> time he has held various roles including President, Vice President, and
> Treasurer. He was active in outreach work here in South-East Queensland, in
> particular in forging the strong partnership between State Library of
> Queensland and WMAU.
>
>
>
> Craig was one of the first Wikipedians I ever met in person and he
> encouraged me to join Wikimedia Australia where he got me involved in
> outreach after my retirement. He served the cause of open knowledge as a
> Wikipedia contributor, an administrator, an oversighter, a member of the
> OTRS team, and most recently as an ombudsman. He always tried to be fair
> and kind to his fellow Wikipedians.
>
>
>
> They say only the good die young and that is tragically so for Craig. He
> was funny about the things that did not matter, sincere about the things
> that did, and an all-round decent Aussie bloke. The stars will shine a
> little brighter tonight as he is now among them.
>
>
>
> Pru Mitchell and I have arranged for flowers to be sent to his family
> expressing the condolences of Wikimedia Australia and the Australian
> Wikipedian community and expressing  the high regard he was held in by our
> community.
>
>
>
> As this list is archived and accessible to the public, I will not include
> any personal details. However, if you wish to send personal condolences to
> his family, please contact me via email for contact details.
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
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