Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download

[Nick Dowling]

It would be worth considering whether the ABS is actually funded to provide the 
IT infrastructure and staff time needed to set up and maintain arrangements to 
allow people to download the entire Census dataset (which I suspect would be a 
fairly unusual requirement). In my experience ABS staff are pretty keen to have 
people use their data - the problem is that they're permanently short of money 
for non-essential tasks and need to cover at least some of their costs for 
non-core business as they're not funded for it.

Regards, Nick
> From: p858sn...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:34:17 +1000
> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC 
> License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download
> 
> From a private list I'm on, Thought some of you guys may be interested
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: MW <---@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
> Subject: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But
> Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download
> To: --- <--->
> 
> 
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130421/02575922789/australian-census-data-released-under-cc-license-official-site-tries-to-make-it-hard-to-download.shtml
> >
> > by Glyn Moody
> >
> > Mon, Apr 22nd 2013 8:09pm
> >
> > The whole point about adopting Creative Commons licenses is to make it 
> > easier for people to share and use works released under them. Sometimes, 
> > though, you get the impression that certain organizations adopting these 
> > licenses would rather that didn't happen, as in the following case from 
> > Australia, reported by IT News:
> >
> > The Australian Bureau of Statistics has released the latest census data for 
> > free under a Creative Commons license but appears to be steering people 
> > towards a $250 mailed out DVD rather than making it easy to download the 
> > information directly over the internet.
> >
> > Programmer and freelance journalist Grahame Bowland who first noticed it, 
> > said the government agency is going to great lengths to discourage people 
> > from downloading the files directly by dint of a convoluted site layout and 
> > Javascript functions that obfuscate file paths.
> >
> > The post then goes on to describe in detail some of the attempts to make it 
> > difficult to download all of the census data, including a hard-to-find 
> > registration page, a complex matrix of download options, and Javascript 
> > code that does stuff like this:
> >
> > // Function: guidGenerator
> >
> >
> > // Description:returns a pseudo-random GUID
> >
> >
> > //This is appended to a url for 2 reasons
> >
> >
> > //1. to make the URL unique, so that the browser always gets it and doesn't 
> > use a cached version
> >
> >
> > //2. to make a URL look like its got a unique key, in a naive attempt to 
> > fool a not-so-wily hacker
> >
> >
> > //into thinking they can't download a datapack directly if they know the 
> > URL pattern, because they
> >
> >
> > //need a unique key.
> >
> > Notice how anyone who might want to download datapacks directly is branded 
> > a hacker. That's a worrying attitude, since it seems to equate people who 
> > want to take advantage of the CC license to explore the census without 
> > jumping through the site's hoops as shady subversives (I doubt the comment 
> > used the term "hacker" in its more positive sense).
> >
> > As the IT News story suggests, the motivation for this obfuscation seems to 
> > be to encourage people to pay AU $250 (about US $257) for the DVD version 
> > instead. To save others from having to deal with the unhelpful Web site, 
> > Bowland generously stumped up the $250 himself, and made the full census 
> > database freely available as a torrent, as is perfectly legal under the 
> > CC-BY license. This shows perfectly why it is pointless trying to make it 
> > hard for people to download content that is CC licensed: once anyone has 
> > obtained a copy, they can then make it available in a more convenient form, 
> > neatly by-passing forlorn attempts to control something that has been set 
> > free forever.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove

[Nick Dowling]

Hi Liam,
I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions:
1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki code, 
and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up remains very 
useful. 
2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper articles and 
the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons would also be 
very useful, but would be less-used I suspect. 
I hope that's helpful.
Regards, Nick

Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
From: liamwy...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove

As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include a WP 
citation code in the "cite this" drop down in all search results (along with 
permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the Library we are 
currently in the midst of a very broad tech and database integration process - 
part of which is revisiting what kinds of citations are useful where. I'm going 
to a meeting next week to discuss where the WP citation sits within this and 
I'd really appreciate some feedback:

1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this kind of 
code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup?2) Which 
kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and which are 
irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual newspaper articles 
within Trove. However, I believe that there is little/no value in providing 
this service for individual book results in the NLA catalogue search (because 
WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any individual library's 
collection). However - what about manuscripts, music scores, unpublished 
collections of personal papers, digitised maps Is it useful to have this 
service provided in those circumstances?

-Liam / Wittylama(In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as 
employee of the NLA)

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Great opportunity - backstage pass and editathon

[Nick Dowling]

Great work with this! 
Unfortunately I'm going to be out of the country on holiday so I won't be able 
to make it or contribute remotely, but please let me know if I can help with 
suggesting articles/topics people might want to work on. 
Regards, Nick
From: whiteghost@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:09:54 +1000
To: memb...@wikimedia.org.au; wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Great opportunity - backstage pass and editathon

Dear All,

I have just returned from a meeting at the State Library of New South Wales at 
which it was confirmed that our proposed WWI editathon will take place on site 
on 23 November.



This is a great opportunity for us because the Library will provide:
- one of its best rooms (a private and spacious one);
- its expert curators (along with their expertise and their white gloves); 
- a newly launched website (containing new resources); and of course 


- items from its collection (including rare and usually unavailable material) 
which we can look at, learn from, and use, to improve WP articles. For example, 
on the topic of WWI, the Library holds many diaries and manuscripts from the 
period.



This is the first time that an Australian cultural institution has opened its 
doors to us in this way. It builds on the good relationship developed during my 
short time there as Wikipedian-in-Residence and will help us to get more 
Australian content into the encyclopedia, as well as offer a rare chance to get 
up close to our history and to documents recording our stories.



As you can see from the Library's project page, they have connected this 
editathon to their own work. On the editathon project page, they have already 
set out a wide range of resources to make things easier for us. In fact, the 
librarians are devoted to making information easier to get and skilled at doing 
just that. 



Please sign up on the editathon page if you would like to participate. The room 
has space for newbies and for potential Wikipedians as well. The Library is 
happy to have us bring friends on the day to learn about being an editor or 
about the wonderful collection that it looks after on our behalf.




Hope to see you there or online,
Whiteghost.ink


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Chapters] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Funds Dissemination Committee: Report on first year of operations

[Nick Dowling]

While Sue's concerns about the overheads involved with some of the Wikimedia 
chapters seem well-founded, there would also be some pretty obvious problems 
with the WMF attempting to fund individuals around the world directly. A well 
run local chapter seems better placed to sort the wheat from the chaff when 
assessing country/region-specific proposals, and that might be a good angle to 
emphasise as part of WMAU funding applications - the chapter has a pretty good 
record in funding projects that result in additional content being added to 
Wikipedia and Commons (and other sites), and it's overheads are very low 
compared to some of the other chapters. The Committee might also want to 
highlight the kind of proposals it doesn't approve to demonstrate the 
advantages of local knowledge. 
As an aside, from having watched the video, it's notable that the WMF's grants 
team comprises 10 people. This is a large team to administer $US8 million in 
funding, most of which is apparently being provided to a small number of 
chapters with whom the WMF has long standing relationships and reporting 
arrangements - the overheads for the team alone would be in the order of 
$US1-$2 million. While it obviously costs money to assess and administer grants 
effectively (and this kind of work can be very labour-intensive when done 
correctly), this is relatively generous staffing compared to what NGOs or 
public service agencies would allocate to a program of this scale and type. If 
the WMF wants to allocate less money to chapters and more to individuals 
they're facing some major internal costs... 
Nick
From: kerry.raym...@gmail.com
To: memb...@wikimedia.org.au; wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:26:01 +1000
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Chapters] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Funds
Dissemination Committee: Report on first year of operations

















Further to this, I happened to be watching
to the WMF Metrics Meeting, which also reveals some interesting information on
the grants process.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKKD5eGFNkI
with the relevant section commencing at 34 mins 20 secs.

 

Kerry

 









From:
Kerry Raymond [mailto:kerry.raym...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013 6:21
AM

To: 'memb...@wikimedia.org.au';
'Wikimedia Australia Chapter'

Subject: FW: [Chapters] Fwd:
[Wikimedia Announcements] Funds Dissemination Committee: Report on first year
of operations



 

 









From:
Chapters [mailto:chapters-boun...@wikimedia.ch] On Behalf Of Itzik Edri

Sent: Friday, 4 October 2013 5:49
AM

To: Chapters mailing list

Subject: [Chapters] Fwd:
[Wikimedia Announcements] Funds Dissemination Committee: Report on first year of
operations



 



Hey,



 





I don't know how many of you had the time already to read Sue's report.





 





I'll give some Chapters Executive Highlights:





 





·   
Upshot:
I am pleased by the first year of the FDC. That said, I also want to note that
I have significant
concerns about how our movement entities are
developing. 

·   
 

·   
Disproportionate resources and influence of Wikimedia
organizations: I believe that
currently, too large a proportion of the movement's money is being spent by the
chapters. The value in the Wikimedia projects is primarily created by
individual editors: individuals create the value for readers, which results in
those readers donating money to the movement. We have over 40 Wikimedia
organizations today, 12 of whom received funding allocations through the FDC 
last
year. Of the US$5.65 million WMF gave out in grants last year, 89% or US$5.04
million were to affiliate entities, with US$4.71 million (83% of the total
grants) to these 12 entities for their annual plans. I am not sure that the
additional value created by movement entities such as chapters justifies the
financial cost, and I wonder whether it might make more sense for the movement
to focus a larger amount of spending on direct financial support for
individuals working in the projects.

·   
 

·   
High costs and unclear results: [...] I believe we're spending a lot of money, 
more than is
warranted by the results we've been seeing. I am concerned by the growth rates
requested by the entities submitting funding requests to the FDC: I believe
that in order to justify the size of grants that have been sought, the entities
involved should need to be able to say clearly how their plan will make an
important contribution to helping the Wikimedia movement achieve its mission.

·   
 

·   
Growing institutionalization of the movement: During the WMF strategic planning 
process, at the beginning of
2010, there were only three chapters with staff.
By the end of the first year of the FDC process, there are at least 15
Wikimedia affiliates with full or part-time staff and offices (not all of them
in the FDC process). [..]

·   

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Nick Dowling]

Bidgee has also provided excellent outcomes for the photography grant(s?) he 
received. 

> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:38:19 +0800
> From: gnanga...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> CC: cfrank...@halonetwork.net
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
> 
> well some that come to mind
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Freo - Freopedia only cost for
> WMAU has been Craig to Perth for the Launch, and from reports was well
> recieved at Wikimania in Hong Kong...
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroona,
> prelude to a Wikitown there.
> then there 2 of us doign a workshop tomorrow in Toodyay, and 3 of us
> being part of the Shire of Toodyay demostrations on Saturday for a
> third WikiTown there -- WMAU approved $200 to cover some expenses but
> well below the true costs of running the two
> 
> add to that, the work of SatuSuro
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Takes_Western_Australian_Wheatbelt_Railways_2013
> and to that a larger Wheatbelt project...
> 
> Its not talking about ideas thats going to change things it needs more
> people to get out there and do things,
> 
> Gideon
> 
> On 8 October 2013 10:39, Adam Jenkins  wrote:
> > I realised one big mistake in the wording of my email. The question as to
> > what projects we can put into place is not intended at the committee as
> > such, but for everyone interested. I've started talking to people about some
> > ideas, but I'm wondering how we, as WMAU, can work out some really good
> > projects to put us into a position where we exceed the WMF's expectations,
> > and what ideas to do so we can come up with. :)
> >
> > Adam.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 October 2013 11:50, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
> >>
> >> kickstarter?
> >> I think it now does Australian projects...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Adam Jenkins 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for explaining things. I need to say upfront that I'm not trying
> >>> to raise doubts about the ARC linkage grant. But from reading the replies,
> >>> we are currently in the process of committing $140k over three years based
> >>> on existing funds of (at best) $75k. I disagree that we should be tackling
> >>> this on the understanding that we can pull out in subsequent years - it
> >>> would be very unusual for that to be permitted, as it would leave the
> >>> university with insufficient funds to complete the research. If that
> >>> happened, the university would have to convince another partner to cover 
> >>> the
> >>> remaining funds, reduce the research scope, or cancel the project. If
> >>> cancelled, we damage our reputation with partner institutions as well as
> >>> losing any money previously invested. If a partner steps up, we damage our
> >>> reputation. We need to go into this with the intent of being committed for
> >>> the full amount, not with the belief that we are able to pull out if the
> >>> funds don't materialise.
> >>>
> >>> So from what you are saying, we are in trouble. Not as much trouble as we
> >>> would be if the $50k payment was still expected in 2014, but not in a nice
> >>> place. We have only half the funds needed to meet existing (or at least in
> >>> process) commitments over the next three years, (and are short of having
> >>> enough funds to meet our commitments in the next two years), have no
> >>> additional funds to spend on new projects unless we pull the money from 
> >>> the
> >>> linkage grant commitment (which will increase the risk of defaulting) or
> >>> pull out of that project (which we certainly do not want to do), and are
> >>> being told that we would be unsuccessful in getting funds through the 
> >>> major
> >>> funding body (the FDC) that has been providing grants to the Chapters.
> >>>
> >>> Going on the assumption that we should move forward with the linkage
> >>> grant, (which we should do), we need to guarantee at least $10k from the 
> >>> WMF
> >>> or the FDC to meet the 2015 commitment, assuming no additional 
> >>> expenditure,
> >>> and $50k to meet 2016.  This will be difficult, in that I gather there 
> >>> will
> >>> not be a deliverable until 2017, so we need to present this as a three 
> >>> year
> >>> program instead of focusing on the annual grant model, or we will need to
> >>> show metrics which can be applied each year. This is especially 
> >>> problematic
> >>> for us as the measuring tools linked to do not seem to work well for this
> >>> sort of project. That said, I don't think that any of this is impossible.
> >>>
> >>> So back to my initial question, how do we tackle this? At worst, we need
> >>> funding through Round 1 of the 2014/2015 FDC grants process, which means 
> >>> we
> >>> need to be in a position to successfully request funding by September next
> >>> year, or be assured that we can get funds for our needs through an
> >>> alternative grants process by the end of 2015. Thus, what projects can we
> >>> put in place that either require no fund

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra, August 14

[Nick Dowling]

80+ new articles is a great achievement - congratulations from me to everyone 
involved.
Nick

From: kerry.raym...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:09:47 +1000
To: kerry.raym...@gmail.com; wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra,   
August 14

Thanks to anyone who helped. Over 80 articles are known to have been created 
but we are unsure of the output of many of the online participants. We are 
trying to gather the articles into a hidden category
[[Category:Wikibomb2014]]
If you want to help tidy up any of them. Most participants were new to 
Wikipedia editing so the articles aren't likely to confirm to the MoS.

Sent from my iPad
On 14 Aug 2014, at 3:55 am, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:
























Reminder.
Wikibomb is on today (Thursday 14 August). I understand around 150 people are
registered for the event (either at the Academy of Science
or virtually); while they are probably all well-intentioned, many will be new
to Wikipedia editing. Your patience and friendly assistance is requested in
relation to the development of new articles and with linking to existing
articles. I will be at the event physically so say Hello if you are there too.

 

Kerry
(Username: Kerry Raymond)

 









From:
wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
Billington

Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2014 6:48
PM

To: Wikimedia-au

Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of
Science Wikibomb event in Canberra,August
14



 



Hi all,



 





Posting some information about a free event which may interest
Australian Wikimedians.





 





The Australian Academy of Science is running an editathon in Canberra on August 
14 to
boost the coverage of female Australian Scientists on Wikipedia. For those not
in Canberra,
there is the option to participate online as well.





 





It was covered in The Age on Sunday[1], and registrations close this
Friday[2].





 





Whilst Wikimedia Australia
is looking at sending somebody as an official point of contact, I'd strongly
encourage experienced and new editors alike to get involved with this valuable
initiative.





 







Cheers,







 





-Michael Billington





(Cross-posted to WP:AWNB for those not on the list)





 





[1] 
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/dr-who-campaign-to-boost-digital-profile-of-australias-female-scientists-20140726-zwvw5.html





[2] http://www.science.org.au/node/324884





 





 











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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra, August 14

[Nick Dowling]

There was also a good, and very positive, story on the results of the event in 
the Canberra Times: 
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/ganggang-wikipedia-bombers-plot-to-promote-women-in-science-20140814-103xza.html

From: kerry.raym...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:27:49 +1000
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra,   
August 14
























It gets better. This morning we have 104
articles in 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikibomb2014

 

so clearly more were finished (or tracked
down and added to the category) last night.

 

Kerry

 

 









From:
wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nick Dowling

Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2014
6:37 PM

To: Australian Wikimedians mailing
list

Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women
of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra,
August 14



 



80+ new articles is a great achievement - congratulations
from me to everyone involved.



 





Nick









From: kerry.raym...@gmail.com

Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:09:47 +1000

To: kerry.raym...@gmail.com; wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of Science Wikibomb event in Canberra, 
August 14



Thanks to anyone who helped. Over 80 articles are known to
have been created but we are unsure of the output of many of the online
participants. We are trying to gather the articles into a hidden category





 





[[Category:Wikibomb2014]]





 





If you want to help tidy up any of them. Most participants
were new to Wikipedia editing so the articles aren't likely to confirm to the
MoS.



Sent from my iPad







On 14 Aug 2014, at 3:55 am, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:









Reminder.
Wikibomb is on today (Thursday 14 August). I understand around 150 people are
registered for the event (either at the Academy of Science
or virtually); while they are probably all well-intentioned, many will be new
to Wikipedia editing. Your patience and friendly assistance is requested in
relation to the development of new articles and with linking to existing
articles. I will be at the event physically so say Hello if you are there too.

 

Kerry
(Username: Kerry Raymond)

 









From:
wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Billington

Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2014 6:48
PM

To: Wikimedia-au

Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Women of
Science Wikibomb event in Canberra,August
14



 



Hi all,



 





Posting some information about a free event which may interest
Australian Wikimedians.





 





The Australian Academy of Science is running an editathon in Canberra on August 
14 to
boost the coverage of female Australian Scientists on Wikipedia. For those not
in Canberra,
there is the option to participate online as well.





 





It was covered in The Age on Sunday[1], and registrations close this
Friday[2].





 





Whilst Wikimedia Australia
is looking at sending somebody as an official point of contact, I'd strongly
encourage experienced and new editors alike to get involved with this valuable
initiative.





 







Cheers,







 





-Michael Billington





(Cross-posted to WP:AWNB for those not on the list)





 





[1] 
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/dr-who-campaign-to-boost-digital-profile-of-australias-female-scientists-20140726-zwvw5.html





[2] http://www.science.org.au/node/324884





 





 













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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library Signups: Free Research Accounts!

[Nick Dowling]

I'd add that anyone with an Australian postal address can access a pretty wide 
range of resources (including JSTOR and various Oxford databases) through the 
National Library of Australia's website: http://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/
That said, I gained a Questia account through the Wikipedia Library, and it's 
an excellent resource. 
Nick

> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:58:20 +1100
> From: rich...@ames.id.au
> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikipedia Library 
> Signups: Free Research Accounts!
> 
> And if you are a NSW resident see:
> 
> http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/eresources/
> 
> for lots of 'no charge resources' (supported by your taxes) with lots of
> the big overseas databases and Australian ones.
> 
> Regards, Richard.
> 
> On 06/11/14 13:48, Charles Gregory wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > If there is anyone who thinks they would be eligible for (and benefit
> > from) access to the research accounts as mentioned below, please get in
> > touch with User:Ocaasi as suggested in the email.  Note that although
> > there aren't any accounts for Australian specific services available, a
> > reminder that one of the better local resources - NLA's Trove
> > (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) - is free!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Charles
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Nick Dowling]

The issues which came up regarding the "Gibraltarpedia" project 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia#Controversy and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA) are probably 
relevant here. 

Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 17:41:33 +1000
From: leighblack...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

Thanks Gnangara, there goes my dream of travelling around Australia initiating 
projects and teaching people/professionals to edit :) 
On 01/05/2015 5:34 pm, "Gnangarra"  wrote:
Leigh
I think its a rather complex issue and can see a few red flags there to start 
with that would cause a lot of issues,  Paid photographers? Paid historians? 
Paid editors?.  For Wikitowns or for that matter any project really needs to be 
driven by the volunteer community both from within and from the associated 
partners.  Someone being paid specifically to project manage a WikiTown wouldnt 
be a good perspective.  From within an LGA having someone in a community 
liason, or GLAM type position who can co-ordinate some of the activities should 
be ok, even they need to be careful with COI.
I personally would discourage any paid activity as we have seen multiple times 
this inevitably triggers a lot of damage to the community and individuals 
regardless of standing.  

On 1 May 2015 at 14:44, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
Hi Gnangara, 
Is there any possibility or objection to paying someone project manage a 
Wikitown project? Am thinking that some local councils or business precincts 
would put up the funds, and a good project manager would honour ask the 
disclosure of interests and transparency of process inside Wikipedia. Paid 
photographers? Paid historians? Paid editors? 
I realise this is a contentious issue, but not sure it's impossible... 
On 01/05/2015 8:06 am, "Gnangarra"  wrote:
G'Day

Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown 
projectshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going activity, the 
projects activity spikes depending on the availability of funding for each set 
of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the talk in Washington in 
2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very popular the issue is that 
they require significant time to build which gets complicated when you rely on 
volunteers.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance 
Gnangarra
Vice President Wikimedia Australia
WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra




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