Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: VI Congresso de Direito de Autor e Interesse Público – Direitos Autorais e Economia Criativa: perspectivas para o desenvolvimento

[Alexandre Hannud Abdo]

On 08-10-2012 23:11, Marco Aureliopc wrote:
> pode ser! vou estar lá, a do  Recursos Educacionais e na sua Oona,  o
> evento tá bacana tirando as da 14:00 no Auditório da Capela Santa Maria
> (Praça Santos Andrade) os caras só ficavam falando entre si e debateram
> no final com o público, e atrasaram as outras atividades por que
> consumiram meia hora a mais.

Ni!

Hehehe... tem sempre uns pentelhos desses.

Marco e Oona, não sei se vocês tem condição, mas se puderem seria legal
incluir o evento na agenda na nossa página principal.

E a partir dali um link pra uma página wiki de "fichamento" do
congresso, na direção do que fizemos em outros eventos, com descrição
das participações e contatos interessantes, e quem sabe uma foto de
celular mesmo... rs.

Abs e divirtam-se!
l
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[Wikimedia Brasil] Programa Wikipédia no Ensino: situação e perspectivas

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/geral/Programa_Wikip%C3%A9dia_no_Ensino:_situa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_e_perspectivas_(9out2012)

Abraços,

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: VI Congresso de Direito de Autor e Interesse Público – Direitos Autorais e Economia Criativa: perspectivas para o desenvolvimento

[Marco Aureliopc]

pode ser! vou estar lá, a do  Recursos Educacionais e na sua Oona,  o
evento tá bacana tirando as da 14:00 no Auditório da Capela Santa Maria
(Praça Santos Andrade) os caras só ficavam falando entre si e debateram no
final com o público, e atrasaram as outras atividades por que consumiram
meia hora a mais.
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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Tomasz W . Kozłowski]

Hi Al-Scandar,
thanks for setting this up. Would you be so kind as to copy my
questions from your internal wiki onto this new page and answer those
there? I still would like to see us having a call meeting sometime.

And as there are no apparent questions from AffCom now, please do post
your answers to our OTRS reply onto this page, too, and we shall
answer them there as well :-))

Thanks a lot for your help!

PS Yes, I do know (even Facebook is Jabber-based now) about that, but
I don't use Google Talk very often these days.

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Al-Scandar Solstag]

Ni!

Here you go, Tomasz and María:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brasil/AffCom

We gratefully await your communication.

Thank you,

ale

PS: Tomasz, did you know jabber and gmail chat can talk to each other?

On 08-10-2012 16:51, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
> Hello Al-Scandar,
> thank you for such a prompt and extensive reply.
> 
> I suggested a (phone) call for a reason: it is, from my experience,
> one of the most effective ways to discuss almost any topic one can
> think of, and one that I have been using very often in the past (for
> instance while preparing for Wiki Loves Monuments 2012).
> 
> Webex in particular has the added value of allowing multiple
> simultanous connections, and it also has the feature of
> voice-recording the whole call. It is a long tradition of this
> Committee to document its meetings, so I am sure we won't be lacking
> any documentation or notes if we decide on having a phone call some
> time in the future.
> 
> Phone calls are also a much faster way of communication than wikis; as
> you probably know from your own experience, on-wiki discussions tend
> to take a long time, counted not even in weeks, but also in months.
> 
> It was my understanding that it was in Wikimedia Brasil's best
> interest to become an officially approved and recognised Wikimedia
> chapter as soon as possible, but I am of course happy to have the
> discussion on-wiki if that is your wish, though as I said, it might
> take many months to come to have it finished -- especially with
> regards to this Committee, which as you have also probably noticed, is
> not the fastest to respond (for whatever reasons), and has this
> unfortunate feature of changing its members every year.
> 
> If you'd like to set up a proper discussion page on Meta, please feel
> free to move my comment from your wiki over there; I would appreciate
> just being informed where the discussion is supposed to take place.
> 
> As for the OTRS e-mail, please take your time in answering our
> questions; for bookeeping purposes, I would appreciate it if you could
> post your answers on the Meta talk page to-be.
> 
> I also thank you for inviting me to a private chat over Jabber (I am
> unfortunately not using this IM anymore) and IRC; I am, however, not
> able to represent AffCom in any private chats, and don't think this
> would be of much use for AffCom's (and simultanously Wikimedia
> Brasil's) purposes.
> 
> However, if you'd like to receive some general information about
> AffCom or the recognition process of a Wikimedia chapter in general,
> please feel free to approach me on #wikimedia-chapters (I'm logged-in
> as "odder").
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 


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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Al-Scandar Solstag]

On 08-10-2012 17:45, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote:
> 2012/10/8 Tomasz W. Kozłowski :
> 
>> It was my understanding that it was in Wikimedia Brasil's best
>> interest to become an officially approved and recognised Wikimedia
>> chapter as soon as possible, but I am of course happy to have the
>> discussion on-wiki if that is your wish, though as I said, it might
>> take many months to come to have it finished -- especially with
>> regards to this Committee, which as you have also probably noticed, is
>> not the fastest to respond (for whatever reasons), and has this
>> unfortunate feature of changing its members every year.
> 
> "Take many months". Is this serious?
> 

Ni!

Everton, calm down, kkk, he's just afraid that on wiki discussions last
longer - with a bit of hyperbole, I agree.

Thomas is not insinuating that if we move to a wiki they will do
anything to make the process longer.

I don't think it will take much longer to deal on wiki than over phone,
if AffCom is clear with their questions and requests, and we're concise
and clear in our answers.

We'll try to keep this a short conversation where we get the up to date
facts and figures, come to an agreement and move on.

Hugs,

ale


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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Tomasz W . Kozłowski]

On 8 October 2012 22:45, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote:

> "Take many months". Is this serious?

What makes you think that I am not serious?

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

2012/10/8 Tomasz W. Kozłowski :

> It was my understanding that it was in Wikimedia Brasil's best
> interest to become an officially approved and recognised Wikimedia
> chapter as soon as possible, but I am of course happy to have the
> discussion on-wiki if that is your wish, though as I said, it might
> take many months to come to have it finished -- especially with
> regards to this Committee, which as you have also probably noticed, is
> not the fastest to respond (for whatever reasons), and has this
> unfortunate feature of changing its members every year.

"Take many months". Is this serious?

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Tomasz W . Kozłowski]

Hello Al-Scandar,
thank you for such a prompt and extensive reply.

I suggested a (phone) call for a reason: it is, from my experience,
one of the most effective ways to discuss almost any topic one can
think of, and one that I have been using very often in the past (for
instance while preparing for Wiki Loves Monuments 2012).

Webex in particular has the added value of allowing multiple
simultanous connections, and it also has the feature of
voice-recording the whole call. It is a long tradition of this
Committee to document its meetings, so I am sure we won't be lacking
any documentation or notes if we decide on having a phone call some
time in the future.

Phone calls are also a much faster way of communication than wikis; as
you probably know from your own experience, on-wiki discussions tend
to take a long time, counted not even in weeks, but also in months.

It was my understanding that it was in Wikimedia Brasil's best
interest to become an officially approved and recognised Wikimedia
chapter as soon as possible, but I am of course happy to have the
discussion on-wiki if that is your wish, though as I said, it might
take many months to come to have it finished -- especially with
regards to this Committee, which as you have also probably noticed, is
not the fastest to respond (for whatever reasons), and has this
unfortunate feature of changing its members every year.

If you'd like to set up a proper discussion page on Meta, please feel
free to move my comment from your wiki over there; I would appreciate
just being informed where the discussion is supposed to take place.

As for the OTRS e-mail, please take your time in answering our
questions; for bookeeping purposes, I would appreciate it if you could
post your answers on the Meta talk page to-be.

I also thank you for inviting me to a private chat over Jabber (I am
unfortunately not using this IM anymore) and IRC; I am, however, not
able to represent AffCom in any private chats, and don't think this
would be of much use for AffCom's (and simultanously Wikimedia
Brasil's) purposes.

However, if you'd like to receive some general information about
AffCom or the recognition process of a Wikimedia chapter in general,
please feel free to approach me on #wikimedia-chapters (I'm logged-in
as "odder").

Thank you for your time,
-- 
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a.k.a. [[user:odder]]

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Al-Scandar Solstag]

Ni!

Dear Tomasz, María, and by proxy AffCom,

Thank you for your interest in holding a conversation with us.

Rodrigo just shot a very short reply and forgot to address everyone,
he's quite troubled taking care of Wikibrasil matters and I guess tried
to expedite things. What he stated is correct, though, but deserves more
explanation - which is reflected in Thomas' puzzled reply on the wiki
page Rodrigo suggested:

http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Afilia%C3%A7%C3%A3o/D%C3%BAvidas

The long story is, we have brought your proposal to the attention of our
community, and it came to a consensus that we'd much rather discuss
this: "all matters related to Wikimedia Brasil's process of recognition
as a Wikimedia chapter, specifically including the recent developments",
on a wiki page, or perhaps on IRC[1], but preferably the former.

As much as a voice conversation may seem simpler to you, and I agree
it's friendlier, it actually comes with a huge overhead on us as a
community and an organization.

We trust it is best for everyone to come to their own understanding of
the matters rather than hearing it from what little reporting a couple
of people will be able to do in the time they have for it. And
also, important discussions like these usually get a lot better when we
can provide input from the whole community, plus discussing on a wiki
has the immediate added benefit of producing fine documentation.

I think the same will apply to some extent to AffCom itself, as many of
you still have questions about our doings, and it seems to me more
productive for everyone to have readily available a source against which
to check any ambiguities which inevitably arise in reporting.

Should we agree on this, we would gladly set up and keep carefully
organized a page on Meta for this conversation - not the link Rodrigo
sent you, - so you can fill it with your facts, news, observations and
questions from AffCom. We are eager to proceed with this dialogue.

Also, we've recently received an OTRS request from AffCom, which we have
started to discuss but have not concluded a reply yet. Should we
disregard that request in light of this current contact?

Finally, at the same time, if you want a friendly chat with no strings
attached, feel free to find me on IRC as "solstag", call me on the
jabber/gtalk network, where I'm "sols...@jabber.org", or request my
personal phone number.

Hugs,

ale

PS: I have the habit of copying WMBR's list in my replies to private
requests, though you're not required to keep it on record when replying
yourselves.

([1] except on IRC we'd rather do it in Portuguese, as María can
understand it and it makes more sense for one person to use a
translating tool rather than have everyone on the other side do it.)

On 07-10-2012 07:49, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
> Dear Rodrigo, Al-Scandar and Castelo,
> I am contacting you on behalf of the Affiliations Committee to invite
> you for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil's process of recognition
> as a Wikimedia chapter.
> 
> We would like to use this call as an opportunity to discuss all
> matters related to Wikimedia Brasil's process of recognition as a
> Wikimedia chapter, specifically including the recent developments
> (since our meeting at the Chapters Conference in Berlin, Germany, at
> the end of March).
> 
> The Committee will be represented by Maria (CC'd here) and myself, and
> I have contacted you as the three most active and well-known members
> of Wikimedia Brasil that I could think of; I you feel that you will be
> unable to take part in the call or have another suggestions for people
> that should be part of it, please let us know. If possible, I would
> like, however, to limit the number of people taking part in the call
> to 5/6, because the bigger the group is, the harder it is to have a
> productive call.
> 
> On a more technical note: Webex is a web conferencing system developed
> by Cisco Systems, Inc. that is used by the Wikimedia Foundation. It
> enables people not only to take part in a conference via their
> computer, but also makes it possible to join the conference through a
> toll-free call-in phone number or to receive an incoming call from the
> conference (so you don't have to pay for the call).
> 
> The WMF has been using Webex for some time already, and I have also
> thoroughly tested it myself; it's very easy to use, and the
> possibility of calling-in the conference makes the audio quality very
> good, much better than Skype or other VoIP services; also, the only
> requirement to use Webex is to have a Java-enabled browser.
> 
> If you'd like to take part in the call, please write down your
> preference using a Doodle form at
> . There are 5 hours of difference
> between Europe and Brazil, so I have tried to make it possible for all
> of us to take part in the call, scheduling it for a late afternoon in
> Brazil (which is a late evening here in Europe). Please no

Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Inivtation for a Webex call about Wikimedia Brasil

[Alexandre Hannud Abdo]

Ni!

Ok pessoal,

Falei com o Castelo e o Rodrigo e eles concordaram em propôr um processo
na wiki.

Como mais ninguém se manifestou e não me parece um ponto polêmico dentro
do nosso modo de trabalho, vamos responder de acordo.

Como é de costume, copiarei a lista na minha resposta à esta solicitação
privada, então aguardem este email.

Um abraço,

ale
.~´

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[Wikimedia Brasil] QR code

[João]

Achei muito interessante não a notícia, que já é um pouco velha, mas a foto
da placa de cerâmica com o QR code, isso é muito barato de produzir e pode
ser colado numa parede com cola epóxi, nem precisa de cimento.

http://blogs.estadao.com.br/link/a-enciclopedia-na-rua/

Jo
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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: VI Congresso de Direito de Autor e Interesse Público – Direitos Autorais e Economia Criativa: perspectivas para o desenvolvimento

[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

2012/10/8 Oona Castro :
> Oi Marco,
> eu estou.
> A palestra do professor José de Oliveira Ascenção está interessante. Ele é
> velhinho português muito mais progressista que muitos jovens que vemos por
> aí ;-)
>
> amanhã vou falar sobre o tema do meu mestrado - Economia Criativa:
> conceitos, disputas e políticas públicas - estou estudando se o conceito
> está em disputa por diferentes interpretações do que seria a economia
> criativa, quais os interesses, ideologias e objetivos implicados em cada uma
> das visões e como as políticas públicas para a área podem contribuir para
> normatizar com base em uma ou outra linha.
>
> E sugeriram falar também também sobre a Wikipédia: minha ideia é abordar
> como o conteúdo organizado dos projetos da Wikimedia em CC-BY-SA contribui
> para o compartilhamento do conhecimento e como são construídos baseados em
> modelo de autoria mal contemplado por nossas legislações hoje - como os
> projetos se organizam transnacionalmente, os desafios da aplicação de leis
> nacionais de direitos autorais sobre os projetos etc - problematizando os
> modelos legais hoje vigentes.


Acredito que esse tópico ilustra bem algumas dificuldades que a atual
legislação de direitos autorais impões

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/geral/d%C3%BAvida_sobre_carregamento_de_imagem_com_direitos_autorais_(2out2012)

E também acho que os projetos Wikimedia, principalmente a Wikipédia e
as mídias nela usadas, são extremamente didáticos para explicar o que
é um recurso livre, o que exclui as restrições não comerciais e
trabalhos não derivados. Em tempo, vale a pena ver esse texto
sugerindo a Creative Commons retirar essas restrições ou mudar seus
nome

http://blog.okfn.org/2012/10/04/making-a-real-commons-creative-commons-should-drop-the-non-commercial-and-no-derivatives-licenses/

Tom

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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: VI Congresso de Direito de Autor e Interesse Público – Direitos Autorais e Economia Criativa: perspectivas para o desenvolvimento

[Oona Castro]

ALiás, amanhã de manhã tem uma atividade de Recursos Educacionais
abertos naquele mesmo hotel onde fizemos o WikiCuritiba com Maryana e
Steven - o Mabu, na XV de Novembro.

Abraços
Oona

2012/10/8 Oona Castro :
> Oi Marco,
> eu estou.
> A palestra do professor José de Oliveira Ascenção está interessante. Ele é
> velhinho português muito mais progressista que muitos jovens que vemos por
> aí ;-)
>
> amanhã vou falar sobre o tema do meu mestrado - Economia Criativa:
> conceitos, disputas e políticas públicas - estou estudando se o conceito
> está em disputa por diferentes interpretações do que seria a economia
> criativa, quais os interesses, ideologias e objetivos implicados em cada uma
> das visões e como as políticas públicas para a área podem contribuir para
> normatizar com base em uma ou outra linha.
>
> E sugeriram falar também também sobre a Wikipédia: minha ideia é abordar
> como o conteúdo organizado dos projetos da Wikimedia em CC-BY-SA contribui
> para o compartilhamento do conhecimento e como são construídos baseados em
> modelo de autoria mal contemplado por nossas legislações hoje - como os
> projetos se organizam transnacionalmente, os desafios da aplicação de leis
> nacionais de direitos autorais sobre os projetos etc - problematizando os
> modelos legais hoje vigentes.
>
> Pode ser?
>
> Abraços
> Oona
>
>
>
> 2012/10/8 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
>>
>> Haverá transmissão ao vivo pelo Internet:
>>
>> "TRANSMISSÃO PELA INTERNET DO IV CODAIP - CONFIRA TODA A PROGRAMAÇÃO
>> DO VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento
>> www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br
>>
>> VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento
>>
>> 
>>
>> O livreto do VI CODAIP (c/ programação completa, resumo artigos
>> selecionados, locais do evento, currículo dos palestrantes, telefones
>> úteis, dicas onde ir em Curitiba)  já está disponível no site do
>> evento: http://www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br/vicodaip/.";
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia Brasil] Fwd: VI Congresso de Direito de Autor e Interesse Público – Direitos Autorais e Economia Criativa: perspectivas para o desenvolvimento

[Oona Castro]

Oi Marco,
eu estou.
A palestra do professor José de Oliveira Ascenção está interessante. Ele é
velhinho português muito mais progressista que muitos jovens que vemos por
aí ;-)

amanhã vou falar sobre o tema do meu mestrado - Economia Criativa:
conceitos, disputas e políticas públicas - estou estudando se o conceito
está em disputa por diferentes interpretações do que seria a economia
criativa, quais os interesses, ideologias e objetivos implicados em cada
uma das visões e como as políticas públicas para a área podem contribuir
para normatizar com base em uma ou outra linha.

E sugeriram falar também também sobre a Wikipédia: minha ideia é abordar
como o conteúdo organizado dos projetos da Wikimedia em CC-BY-SA contribui
para o compartilhamento do conhecimento e como são construídos baseados em
modelo de autoria mal contemplado por nossas legislações hoje - como os
projetos se organizam transnacionalmente, os desafios da aplicação de leis
nacionais de direitos autorais sobre os projetos etc - problematizando os
modelos legais hoje vigentes.

Pode ser?

Abraços
Oona


2012/10/8 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 

> Haverá transmissão ao vivo pelo Internet:
>
> "TRANSMISSÃO PELA INTERNET DO IV CODAIP - CONFIRA TODA A PROGRAMAÇÃO
> DO VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento
> www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br
>
> VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento
> <
> http://www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br/gedai/2012/10/vi-codaip-%E2%80%93-livreto-com-a-programacao-completa-no-site-do-evento/
> >
>
> O livreto do VI CODAIP (c/ programação completa, resumo artigos
> selecionados, locais do evento, currículo dos palestrantes, telefones
> úteis, dicas onde ir em Curitiba)  já está disponível no site do
> evento: http://www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br/vicodaip/.";
>
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[Everton Zanella Alvarenga]

Haverá transmissão ao vivo pelo Internet:

"TRANSMISSÃO PELA INTERNET DO IV CODAIP - CONFIRA TODA A PROGRAMAÇÃO
DO VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento
www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br

VI CODAIP – Livreto com a programação completa no site do evento


O livreto do VI CODAIP (c/ programação completa, resumo artigos
selecionados, locais do evento, currículo dos palestrantes, telefones
úteis, dicas onde ir em Curitiba)  já está disponível no site do
evento: http://www.direitoautoral.ufsc.br/vicodaip/.";

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