[Wikimediach-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Urgent: invitation to give a talk in workshop aiming at definition of a "web environment" for the EU marine scientific community - Bremen - 21-23 May 2013

[Charles Andrès]

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Charles


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> De : Kul Wadhwa 
> Objet : [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Urgent: invitation to give a talk in workshop 
> aiming at definition of a "web environment" for the EU marine scientific 
> community - Bremen - 21-23 May 2013
> Date : 15 avril 2013 17:37:05 UTC+02:00
> À : Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Répondre à : Wikimedia Mailing List 
> 
> In case anybody is interested in giving a talk and participating in a
> workshop for the
> European Marine scientific community. Probably most relevant for somebody
> based in the EU.
> 
> --Kul
> 
> -
> 
> EuroMarine (http://www.euromarineconsortium.eu/) is organising a
> workshop to define a "Web Environment" that will provide services to the
> European Marine scientific community as an effective mean to reach
> integration among individuals, institutions and consortia across the
> fields of 'omics, biodiversity and ecology (see the attached programme).
> Services will address social networking, common/customisable directories
> (white, yellow and blue pages), news and events posting, scholarly
> publications (data and papers), education and outreach.
> 
> Participants will include representatives of past and present EU
> projects/initiatives/infrastrutures, and web service providers, such as
> Google, Facebook, Twitter, Skype, LinkedIn, Thomson Reuters, Elsevier
> and Wikipedia.Invited participants will benefit from free accommodation
> & meals at the ATLANTIC HOTEL UNIVERSUM - CONFERENCE CENTRE BREMEN
> (http://www.atlantic-hotels.de/universum/de/Start.html), and EuroMarine
> will
> reimburse in part their travel expenses (maximum amount to be determined).
> 
> *We would like to invite a Wikimedia representative to**give a 20'
> talk**and participate in **workshop discussions. *
> 
> *Invited participants from commercial service providers / foundations
> are expected to present (20 min) and discuss:
> 1. The range of services that they can offer to a research community;
> 2. Case studies of how apps, tools and services are customized by their
> users.*
> 
> Invited participants from past and present EU Projects are expected to
> present (15 min) and discuss:
> 1. Services that they provide(d) on the web to their partners and/or to
> the public in general;
> 2. Their experience with commercial services such as Google, Facebook,
> Twitter, Skype and LinkedIn (e.g. How they were used, how effective they
> were, what was lacking);
> 3. How the project plans to archive/maintain the
> services/products/deliverables that it developed (EuroMarine could act
> as a central archive for past projects).
> 
> /Additional cont//extual information/: Euromarine (currently a project
> funded by the European Commission) will become a self-sustained
> consortium (with potentially 121research memberorganizations)in 2014.
> Taking advantage of its durability, it will coordinate / promote the
> development of the envisioned web environment (which short-lived
> projects or networks are not able to achieve).
> 
> *Please let us know rapidly if you can join us in Bremen on 21-23 May
> 2013. An online registration form is available at
> http://www.euromarineconsortium.eu/registration.*
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pierre-François Baisnée (and Stéphane Pesant, for the organizing committee)
> 
> ---
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> Centre de recherche halieutique (CRH) - avenue Jean Monnet - BP 171
> 34203 Sète cedex - France
> tel: +33 (0)4 99 57 32 44
> fax: +33 (0)4 99 57 61 23
> e-mail: pierre-francois.bais...@ird.fr
> http://www.eur-oceans.eu
> 
> -- 
> Kul Wadhwa
> Head of Mobile
> Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimediach-l] nfc additionally to / instead of qr codes

[Gabriel Thullen]

I remain very suspicious concerning NFC. QR codes can be very invasive,
meaning you can adopt a different code to identify each physical location,
but the person who places the code cannot be 100% sure of the geographical
location of the person using the code.
With NFC, each chip is uniquely identified. So I wonder if those security
concerns will overide the more practical and user friendly side of NFC. I
think we can wait and see until the NFC technology becomes cheap enough for
it to be interesting for us. After all, QR codes are 100% free to produce
and print. That is not the case for NFC.

Gabriel



On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:14 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:

> hi beat,
>
> i expect nfc only tags to be cheaper, smaller, and therefor easier to
> mount and maintain.and, they are easier to read with phone software.
> you do not need to take a foto with (of course unintended) flashlight
> in a museum for example. encoding is also easier, as a nfc enabled
> phone and the tag suffices. no url to qr conversion, no printing.
>
> rupert.
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Estermann Beat 
> wrote:
> > Hi Rupert,
> >
> > What is the expected additional benefit compared to QR-codes?
> > To what extent does NFC facilitate the use of the tags by the users?
> > To what extent does NFC facilitate the application of the tags by the
> "host"?
> >
> > Best,
> > Beat
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of rupert THURNER
> > Sent: Samstag, 13. April 2013 22:50
> > To: wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimediach-l] nfc additionally to / instead of qr codes
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > i was wondering if we should try to extend the qr code initiative a
> little bit and use nfc tags additionally to qr codes. what you think?
> >
> > rupert.
> >
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Re: [Wikimediach-l] nfc additionally to / instead of qr codes

[rupert THURNER]

hi beat,

i expect nfc only tags to be cheaper, smaller, and therefor easier to
mount and maintain.and, they are easier to read with phone software.
you do not need to take a foto with (of course unintended) flashlight
in a museum for example. encoding is also easier, as a nfc enabled
phone and the tag suffices. no url to qr conversion, no printing.

rupert.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Estermann Beat  wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
>
> What is the expected additional benefit compared to QR-codes?
> To what extent does NFC facilitate the use of the tags by the users?
> To what extent does NFC facilitate the application of the tags by the "host"?
>
> Best,
> Beat
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
> [mailto:wikimediach-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of rupert THURNER
> Sent: Samstag, 13. April 2013 22:50
> To: wikimediach-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimediach-l] nfc additionally to / instead of qr codes
>
> hi,
>
> i was wondering if we should try to extend the qr code initiative a little 
> bit and use nfc tags additionally to qr codes. what you think?
>
> rupert.
>
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Re: [Wikimediach-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Switzerland in 2013

[Ilario Valdelli]

I would correct some big misunderstandings. Take it as a personal 
comment not like a board member but like the organizer of WLM 2013.


Sorry for the English.

 * there is *no fears*, but there is a *workload*. There is no fears
   (WM CH had two WLM, I suppose that after two years the fears should
   be forgotten) but there is a big workload to do and it cannot be
   managed by a single person
 * the b-list is not in charge of the Office de culture / Protection of
   cultural heritage but it's in charge of every single canton, so the
   potential WLM's team should discuss with 26 institutions (not only
   one!!!)
 * no one has to approve to use the b-list because it's public
   
http://www.bevoelkerungsschutz.admin.ch/internet/bs/de/home/themen/kgs/kgs_inventar/b-objekte.html
 * the 80% of the b-list is changed in the 2013, so the changes of
   these lists are frequent


As organizer of WLM 2012 I would say that the same A-list transferred in 
Wikipedia had a lot of problems:


 * it was incomplete or the object were not clearly defined (for
   instance what is protected may be the collection of the museum, not
   the building of the museum, but the tools used by international team
   were not so sophisticated to identify this difference and people
   took the wrong object)
 * the tools used by WLM team harvest only a single list of objects in
   Wikipedia, WM CH has three lists of objects (one in German
   Wikipedia, one in French Wikipedia, one in Italian Wikipedia and one
   in English Wikipedia), there are a lot of differences, so the same
   lists of objects used by WLM tools for Switzerland replied these
   problems and they were not translated in the right language
 * if we increase the problems of the A-lists adding the B-lists, it
   would be a real nightmare

I would say that the real problem of WLM are the tools and the 
organization of the contest which is not helpful for Switzerland.


At the moment the budget to solve the big bugs of the WLM tools may be 
really high and the time is short.


In my opinion WM CH may solve a lot of problems developing their own 
tools, but it requires time and money.


The time is short because the international team has not decided yet how 
WLM 2013 will be. So they are spending much time, and this lost time is 
a big disadvantage for Switzerland who cannot fix the bugs.


Having WLM 2013 more or less like WLM 2012 it's not a big challenge, the 
lists of monuments is available, the website is available, and they need 
only to be updated shortly. A WLM's tem for Switzerland may take it easily.


Having WLM 2013 with the b-objects is a big challenge and I am speaking 
using my experience for the contest of 2012.


Regards

On 15.04.2013 07:58, Estermann Beat wrote:


Dear all,

Apparently, there has been some reluctance on behalf of the WMCH Board 
to engage in the international photo contest “Wiki Loves Monuments” 
 in 2013, despite the fact that 
several people from within the community clearly manifested their 
interest in participating in the contest and its organization.


Like other members of the community, I am convinced that the contest 
is an excellent opportunity to reach out to new contributors, to 
generate high-quality pictures for the illustration of articles 
covering Swiss cultural heritage objects and that it provides us on 
top of that with a great opportunity to do PR with regard to a broader 
public and to reach out to cultural institutions and like-minded 
organizations.


I have therefore talked to and e-mailed with several of the board 
members to understand the reasons for their reluctance and have 
proposed to make a feasibility analysis, to enroll “volunteers”, and 
to bring the topic up at the General Assembly to see whether the WMCH 
members are backing the Swiss participation in the contest.


As far as I understand, the reasons for the reluctance of the WMCH 
board members have been at least fourfold:


-Some of them seem to doubt whether the international contest would 
actually take place this year, suggesting that the


international WLM team has no clear plans and no budget for WLM 2013 yet.

-There have been some fears that some federal institutions would not 
approve of WMCH using the official lists of cultural objects of 
regional significance (B-objects and possibly C-objects). Given the 
fact that the lists of A-objects are only lacking very few images, 
this would make the contest obsolete.


-There have been some fears that the task of translating and updating 
the B- and C-lists poses too big a challenges in terms of volunteer 
workload, especially if we are expecting the lists of B-objects to 
undergo significant changes every year.


-The board seems to expect a lack of volunteer engagement, while the 
paid staff members are not available to compensate for this.


I will therefore focus my feasibility analysis on the following points:

1.We need to have clarity concerning the inte