Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Hi Patrick, if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution and someone can have an answer to his own questions. Best Regards Ilario On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all! > > I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to > the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're > establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia > Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen > in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it > seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting > in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The > foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet > people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry > Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML > (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). > > Greets, Patrick > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Well, there is a bit of a problem: The ChapCom (or the board, we don't even know this...) is reviewing our bylaws now. We have no idea how long this will take (hint delphine/angela/anthere?) and before the bylaws are approved, we can forget about making a founding assembly. I mean, we can certainly say, that we make the assembly at April XY but if the bylaws are not ready yet then, we can again postpone everything... (BTW: I would certainly be glad with Zurich...) Regards Michael On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all! > > I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to > the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're > establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia > Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen > in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it > seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting > in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The > foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet > people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry > Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML > (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). > > Greets, Patrick > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Patrick, > if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to > organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution > and someone can have an answer to his own questions. > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that Swiss law requires, that the association is "physically" founded and that afterwards a "foundation protocol" is signed by president + one board member (usually secretary/"aktuar"). So it won't work to do this virtually on IRC. But if you meant to do the "date-and-lieu-fixing" on IRC we could certainly do this, however I think, some people here might be not so experienced with IRC: > Best Regards > Regards Michael > Ilario > > On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to > > the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're > > establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia > > Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen > > in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, it > > seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting > > in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The > > foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to meet > > people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, Thierry > > Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML > > (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). > > > > Greets, Patrick > > ___ > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > > > > > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Michael Bimmler wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the > founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we > can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that > Swiss law requires, that the association is "physically" founded and > that afterwards a "foundation protocol" is signed by president + one > board member (usually secretary/"aktuar"). No, AFAIK. There are very few conditions imposed on associations; most of the conditions are imposed by the bylaws (with a set of defaults if needed). The only condition that would be slightly related is that the bylaws must be on paper, which does not mean anything for the actual meeting. But in any case, not having a physical meeting for the founding assembly would not be a good idea (to say the least). As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
The second reply :) I means that if someone has some question or we (mailing list) wish we had preliminary meeting to have report status, we can made this through IRC channel. This is a means used also by other groups like developers (for board's meeting I know that the physical presence is a must). Best Regards Ilario On 3/21/06, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to > > organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution > > and someone can have an answer to his own questions. > > > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the > founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we > can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that > Swiss law requires, that the association is "physically" founded and > that afterwards a "foundation protocol" is signed by president + one > board member (usually secretary/"aktuar"). So it won't work to do this > virtually on IRC. > But if you meant to do the "date-and-lieu-fixing" on IRC we could > certainly do this, however I think, some people here might be not so > experienced with IRC: > > Best Regards > > > Regards > Michael > > Ilario > > > > On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede to > > > the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're > > > establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the Wikipedia > > > Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation somewhen > > > in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of March, > > > it > > > seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a meeting > > > in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. The > > > foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to > > > meet > > > people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, > > > Thierry > > > Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this ML > > > (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). > > > > > > Greets, Patrick > > > ___ > > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > > > -- > Regards > Michael Bimmler > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Frederic Schutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Bimmler wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the > > founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we > > can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that > > Swiss law requires, that the association is "physically" founded and > > that afterwards a "foundation protocol" is signed by president + one > > board member (usually secretary/"aktuar"). > > No, AFAIK. There are very few conditions imposed on associations; most > of the conditions are imposed by the bylaws (with a set of defaults if > needed). The only condition that would be slightly related is that the > bylaws must be on paper, which does not mean anything for the actual > meeting. But in any case, not having a physical meeting for the founding > assembly would not be a good idea (to say the least). > I have googled a bit and found the following sources (not legal sources, but at least...) however they are all in german: http://vereinsfuehrung.fvrz.ch/de/3/Gruend_1161.asp http://www.bl.ch/docs/jpd/handreg/infos/vereine/gruendung_weg.htm http://www.swissbudo-portal.ch/wDeutsch/recht/vereinsrecht/vereinsgruendung.shtml The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, "..." was founded IN (-> a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to be signed by the protocollist. > As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal > address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. > Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad "central": Wouldn't Lucerne be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two cities, so question is how to organise it...) > Frédéric > MIchael > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The second reply :) > Ah, I see. > I means that if someone has some question or we (mailing list) wish we > had preliminary meeting to have report status, we can made this > through IRC channel. This is a means used also by other groups like > developers (for board's meeting I know that the physical presence is a > must). > Hm, I don't think, that for BOARD meetings, physical presence is necessary (afaik WMF board and WmDE Board both have IRC meetings and "physical" meetings are quite extraordinary), but I think that it is necessary for FOUNDING ASSEMBLY, see other post > Best Regards > Regards Michael > Ilario > > On 3/21/06, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/21/06, Ilario Valdelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Patrick, > > > if Michael and Nando and all members of this ML agreed, I suggest to > > > organize a meeting room using the IRC channel. It's a simple solution > > > and someone can have an answer to his own questions. > > > > > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you propose that we make the > > founding assembly itself on IRC? Because then, to be very frank, we > > can forget about this. IANAL but I'm quite sure to have read that > > Swiss law requires, that the association is "physically" founded and > > that afterwards a "foundation protocol" is signed by president + one > > board member (usually secretary/"aktuar"). So it won't work to do this > > virtually on IRC. > > But if you meant to do the "date-and-lieu-fixing" on IRC we could > > certainly do this, however I think, some people here might be not so > > experienced with IRC: > > > Best Regards > > > > > Regards > > Michael > > > Ilario > > > > > > On 3/21/06, Patrick Kenel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask Michael or Nando whether they thought about to procede > > > > to > > > > the foundation of our chapter. The bylaws are getting fixed now, we're > > > > establishing a mail address, technical support is clear and the > > > > Wikipedia > > > > Day is approaching. Back in January, we considered the foundation > > > > somewhen > > > > in February or March. Now that we're already in the second half of > > > > March, it > > > > seems still unclear when this is going to happen. I would favour a > > > > meeting > > > > in Zurich where we already spent a calm Sunday afternoon in November. > > > > The > > > > foundation assembly would (hopefully) also be a welcome opportunity to > > > > meet > > > > people who couldn't attend last time (Ilario, Gatto Nero, Frédéric, > > > > Thierry > > > > Pool, Christian Seidl, Irmgard etc.) or who didn't participate on this > > > > ML > > > > (Voyager, Ilja, Javier). > > > > > > > > Greets, Patrick > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Michael Bimmler > > ___ > > Wikimediach-l mailing list > > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Michael Bimmler wrote: > The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the > second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, > "..." was founded IN (-> a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to > be signed by the protocollist. Fair enough; even if the "physical" meeting is not prescribed by the law, I doubt that many people would have used this option anyway. >>As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal >>address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. >> > > Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad "central": Wouldn't Lucerne > be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two > cities, so question is how to organise it...) Geographically, probably (if I remember well, the exact center of Switzerland is somewhere in Nidwald :-), but I was reasonning in terms of train connections: there are direct trains to Bern from most big cities, definitively not to Luzern (those bloody Alps...) Cheers, Frédéric ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/21/06, Frederic Schutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Bimmler wrote: > > > The second point is not so clear on protocol but the first and the > > second clearly state, that there needs to be a protocol, stating, > > "..." was founded IN (-> a physical lieu must be defined) and needs to > > be signed by the protocollist. > > Fair enough; even if the "physical" meeting is not prescribed by the > law, I doubt that many people would have used this option anyway. > > >>As for the place -- as much as I had no preference for the postal > >>address, here I would strongly push for a central location, e.g. Bern. > >> > > > > Well, I'm okay with that as well. Just ad "central": Wouldn't Lucerne > > be more central? (AFAIK nobody on this list lives in one of these two > > cities, so question is how to organise it...) > > Geographically, probably (if I remember well, the exact center of > Switzerland is somewhere in Nidwald :-), but I was reasonning in terms > of train connections: there are direct trains to Bern from most big > cities, definitively not to Luzern (those bloody Alps...) > Um, yes, Ilario will have to cross this bloody alps anyway, whether we'll go to Berne or Luzern... But I don't care about where to go myself, from ZH you're quite fast everywhere. > Cheers, > Michael > Frédéric > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/22/06, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, there is a bit of a problem: The ChapCom (or the board, we don't > even know this...) is reviewing our bylaws now. We have no idea how > long this will take (hint delphine/angela/anthere?) This isn't currently with the Board, so I'm assuming the chapters committee, along with legal support, are looking at them. What I'd expect to happen is for them to present a report and recommendation to the Foundation Board who would then simply vote whether or not to approve the chapter. Angela. -- Angela Beesley ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
On 3/22/06, Angela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/22/06, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, there is a bit of a problem: The ChapCom (or the board, we don't > > even know this...) is reviewing our bylaws now. We have no idea how > > long this will take (hint delphine/angela/anthere?) > > This isn't currently with the Board, so I'm assuming the chapters > committee, along with legal support, are looking at them. What I'd > expect to happen is for them to present a report and recommendation to > the Foundation Board who would then simply vote whether or not to > approve the chapter. > Okay, thanks for this update! Regards Michael > Angela. > > -- > Angela Beesley > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
The distance isn't a problem. In the past I was anywhere in Europe in any time for my job (Aachen, Bruxelles, Madrid, etc.), to go from Lugano to Zürich is like to go shopping at closest favourite supermarket ;) But it's logical that if this favourite supermarket is closer than another I'd like it. Ilario > > > Um, yes, Ilario will have to cross this bloody alps anyway, whether > we'll go to Berne or Luzern... But I don't care about where to go > myself, from ZH you're quite fast everywhere. > > Cheers, > > ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
You're right. In such a small country like Switzerland it shouldn't be problematic to gather people from every corner in any place for a meeting. It would be a serious problem in Germany, Italy or France for example. So I would say, Zurich is definitely central enough for everybody. Patrick From: "Ilario Valdelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland To: "Mailing list for Wikimedia Swizerland" Subject: Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:54:13 +0100>The distance isn't a problem.>>In the past I was anywhere in Europe in any time for my job (Aachen,>Bruxelles, Madrid, etc.), to go from Lugano to Zürich is like to go>shopping at closest favourite supermarket ;)>>But it's logical that if this favourite supermarket is closer than>another I'd like it.>>Ilario>> > >> > Um, yes, Ilario will have to cross this bloody alps anyway, whether> > we'll go to Berne or Luzern... But I don't care about where to go> > myself, from ZH you're quite fast everywhere.> > > Cheers,> > >>___>Wikimediach-l mailing list>Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] foundation assembly?
Patrick, could you please, please deactivate that bloody HTML format in your mails? All mailinglists would be very glad. Thank you, Manuel -- - All-Things-Open Projektgruppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM d-- s:- a? C++$ UL P+> L+++>$ E- W+++$ N+ o-- K- w--$ O+ M+ V PS+ PE- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X R UF !tv b+> DI D+ G+ e> h r y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
