Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Welcome to the India Team! : Shiju Nitika
Even I want to join in Bangalore wiki workshop which is gonna held on 14th aug'11.. tell me the formalities which I'm supposed to do to attend it ?? On 8 August 2011 11:18, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations one again.. I wish and request Shiju can join us in Bangalore Wiki Workshop scheduled to be held on 14 August. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MBL36 ) and Nikita can join us via Skype so the Bangalore community would get a chance to greet the 2 new members. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Aadarsh Gupta Bangalore. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiConference India 2011 - Call for Participation
thank you sir. and ill surely mail my details to them thank you so much regards -pranjali sanap On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.comwrote: Make it Call for speakers That will give clarity. -Sudhanwa On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Call for Papers will confuse people even more as they might think that they need to submit a paper for submission. Suggest Call for Presentations, if the name needs to be changed at all. Sent from my Nokia E63, Pradeep On 07/08/2011, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Better rename it as a Call for Papers. Back from Haifa, Shiju? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, that is a good suggestion. I am fine with renaming the page. I kept the name *Call for Particpation* following the footsteps of wikimania :) Shiju On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Call for Participation in the title is misleading to many. It is supposed to be call for papers (for speakers) and not call for attendees registration. Most of us know this properly, but considering lot of students will be checking it out, it is possible to mislead them as mentioned in the other mail by the student. Looks like we have to give some more clarity on the web page. Regards -Sudhanwa On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:26 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Pranjali, The registration for the conference is yet to begin, there will be an announcement on the same shortly. We appreciate your patience in this matter. If you wish to help in any way please email details on how you can help to pradeep.mohandas (at) live.com. Kind Regards, Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:31:40 +0530 From: pgsa...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiConference India 2011 - Call for Participation hello sir, i am a bit confuse about it ... i am a SYBSc IT student from mumbai i want to attened this conference will you please guide me any in which way i can help this cause? -pranjali sanap On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Please submit your proposals here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Call_for_Participation Kindly ensure that your proposal is on a topic related to Wikimedia. We have received quite a few proposals which are off-topic. But we are expecting lot of submissions from experienced wikimedians soon. Please note that the last date of submission is August 30. Shiju On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, The Call for Participation for WikiConference India 2011 is open now. Details are available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Call_for_Participation Few guidelines that you need to keep in mind before submitting the proposal are available on this page. The guidelines are only meant as a pointer to help speakers and is not expected to be exhaustive. You can submit talks within all aspects of Wikimedia even if the topic is not specifically included on that page. ''' Be Bold.''' Few wikimedians had provided their wish list regarding WikiConference India 2011 here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_India_2011/ProgramsYou can use that also as reference while submitting the proposal. Important: Please forward this mail to all the relevant mailing lists, in case I missed any list. Regards Shiju Alex For WikiConference India 2011, Program Commitee ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Oral Citations mentioned in the New York Times
Ashwin Baindur, can I fw your mail to Foundation-l ? ;) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 8 August 2011 18:17, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 8 August 2011 21:30, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 Great exposure great publicity. Indeed! More power to the spoken word! Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Oral Citations mentioned in the New York Times
Of course, need you ask? :) Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin Baindur, can I fw your mail to Foundation-l ? ;) _ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* On 8 August 2011 18:17, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 8 August 2011 21:30, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 Great exposure great publicity. Indeed! More power to the spoken word! Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Oral Citations mentioned in the New York Times
Not to forget , The Hindu and Bangalore Mirror recently covered it :) -TC On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, I am a subscriber to NYT online for almost ten years (its free so far at least but about to change). I was most pleasantly surprised to find this : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 Great exposure great publicity. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimedia-IN-PUN mailing list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-pun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : New York Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count?
Nice article ... :) Hi Tinu, One doubt in referencing; can we keep text indic languages as reference in English wikipedia ? Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 8 August 2011 23:13, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: *NewYork Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count?* http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html *“MAKING fun of Wikipedia is so 2007,” a French journalist said recently to Sue Gardner, the executive director of the foundation that runs the Wikipedia project.* * * *And so Ms. Gardner, in turn, told an auditorium full of Wikipedia contributors and supporters on Thursday in Haifa, Israel, the host city for the seventh annual Wikimania conference, where meetings and presentations focus on the world’s most used, and perhaps least understood, online reference work.* * * *Once routinely questioned about its reliability — what do you mean, anyone can edit it? — the site is now used every month by upwards of 400 million people worldwide. But with influence and respect come responsibility, and lately Wikipedia has been criticized from without and within for reflecting a Western, male-dominated mindset similar to the perspective behind the encyclopedias it has replaced.* * * *Seeing Wikipedia as The Man, in so many words, is so 2011.* * * *And that’s a problem for an encyclopedia that wants to grow. Some critics of Wikipedia believe that the whole Western tradition of footnotes and sourced articles needs to be rethought if Wikipedia is going to continue to gather converts beyond its current borders. And that, in turn, invites an entirely new debate about what constitutes knowledge in different parts of the world and how a Western institution like Wikipedia can capitalize on it. * * * *Achal Prabhala, an adviser to Ms. Gardner’s Wikimedia Foundation who lives and writes in Bangalore, India, has made perhaps the most trenchant criticism in a video project, “People are Knowledge,” that he presented in Haifa (along with its clunky subtitle, “Exploring alternative methods of citation for Wikipedia”).* * * *The film, which was made largely with a $20,000 grant from the Wikimedia Foundation, spends time showing what has been lost to Wikipedia because of stickling rules of citation and verification. If Wikipedia purports to collect the “sum of all human knowledge,” in the words of one of its founders, Jimmy Wales, that, by definition, means more than printed knowledge, Mr. Prabhala said.* * * *In the case of dabba kali, a children’s game played in the Kerala state of India, there was a Wikipedia article in the local language, Malayalam, that included photos, a drawing and a detailed description of the rules, but no sources to back up what was written. Other than, of course, the 40 million people who played it as children.* * * *There is no doubt, he said, that the article would have been deleted from English Wikipedia if it didn’t have any sources to cite. Those are the rules of the game, and those are the rules he would like to change, or at least bend, or, if all else fails, work around.* * * *“There is this desire to grow Wikipedia in parts of the world,” he said, adding that “if we don’t have a more generous and expansive citation policy, the current one will prove to be a massive roadblock that you literally can’t get past. There is a very finite amount of citable material, which means a very finite number of articles, and there will be no more.”* * * *Mr. Prabhala, 38, who grew up in India and then attended American universities, has been an activist on issues of intellectual property, starting with the efforts in South Africa to free up drugs that treat H.I.V. In the film, he gives other examples of subjects — an alcohol produced in a village, Ga-Sabotlane, in Limpopo, South Africa, and a popular hopscotch-type children’s game, tshere-tshere — beyond print documentation and therefore beyond Wikipedia’s true-and-tried method.* * * *There are whole cultures, he said, that have little to no printed material to cite as proof about the way life is lived.* * * *“Publishing is a system of power and I mean that in a completely pleasant, accepting sense,” he said mischievously. “But it leaves out people.”* * * *But Mr. Prabhala offers a solution: he and the video’s directors, Priya Sen and Zen Marie, spoke with people in African and Indian villages either in person or over the phone and had them describe basic activities. These recordings were then uploaded and linked to the article as sources, and suddenly an article that seems like it could be a personal riff looks a bit more academic.* * * *For example, in his interview with a
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : New York Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count?
Sure - offline or non-english refs are accepted AGF! From: navee...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:31:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : New York Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count? Nice article ... :) Hi Tinu, One doubt in referencing; can we keep text indic languages as reference in English wikipedia ? Naveen Francis Signature powered by WiseStamp On 8 August 2011 23:13, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: NewYork Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html “MAKING fun of Wikipedia is so 2007,” a French journalist said recently to Sue Gardner, the executive director of the foundation that runs the Wikipedia project. And so Ms. Gardner, in turn, told an auditorium full of Wikipedia contributors and supporters on Thursday in Haifa, Israel, the host city for the seventh annual Wikimania conference, where meetings and presentations focus on the world’s most used, and perhaps least understood, online reference work. Once routinely questioned about its reliability — what do you mean, anyone can edit it? — the site is now used every month by upwards of 400 million people worldwide. But with influence and respect come responsibility, and lately Wikipedia has been criticized from without and within for reflecting a Western, male-dominated mindset similar to the perspective behind the encyclopedias it has replaced. Seeing Wikipedia as The Man, in so many words, is so 2011. And that’s a problem for an encyclopedia that wants to grow. Some critics of Wikipedia believe that the whole Western tradition of footnotes and sourced articles needs to be rethought if Wikipedia is going to continue to gather converts beyond its current borders. And that, in turn, invites an entirely new debate about what constitutes knowledge in different parts of the world and how a Western institution like Wikipedia can capitalize on it. Achal Prabhala, an adviser to Ms. Gardner’s Wikimedia Foundation who lives and writes in Bangalore, India, has made perhaps the most trenchant criticism in a video project, “People are Knowledge,” that he presented in Haifa (along with its clunky subtitle, “Exploring alternative methods of citation for Wikipedia”). The film, which was made largely with a $20,000 grant from the Wikimedia Foundation, spends time showing what has been lost to Wikipedia because of stickling rules of citation and verification. If Wikipedia purports to collect the “sum of all human knowledge,” in the words of one of its founders, Jimmy Wales, that, by definition, means more than printed knowledge, Mr. Prabhala said. In the case of dabba kali, a children’s game played in the Kerala state of India, there was a Wikipedia article in the local language, Malayalam, that included photos, a drawing and a detailed description of the rules, but no sources to back up what was written. Other than, of course, the 40 million people who played it as children. There is no doubt, he said, that the article would have been deleted from English Wikipedia if it didn’t have any sources to cite. Those are the rules of the game, and those are the rules he would like to change, or at least bend, or, if all else fails, work around. “There is this desire to grow Wikipedia in parts of the world,” he said, adding that “if we don’t have a more generous and expansive citation policy, the current one will prove to be a massive roadblock that you literally can’t get past. There is a very finite amount of citable material, which means a very finite number of articles, and there will be no more.” Mr. Prabhala, 38, who grew up in India and then attended American universities, has been an activist on issues of intellectual property, starting with the efforts in South Africa to free up drugs that treat H.I.V. In the film, he gives other examples of subjects — an alcohol produced in a village, Ga-Sabotlane, in Limpopo, South Africa, and a popular hopscotch-type children’s game, tshere-tshere — beyond print documentation and therefore beyond Wikipedia’s true-and-tried method. There are whole cultures, he said, that have little to no printed material to cite as proof about the way life is lived. “Publishing is a system of power and I mean that in a completely pleasant, accepting sense,” he said mischievously. “But it leaves out people.” But Mr. Prabhala offers a solution: he and the video’s directors, Priya Sen and Zen Marie, spoke with people in African and Indian villages either in person or over the phone and had them describe basic activities. These recordings were then uploaded and linked
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : New York Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count?
Thanks Pranav !! Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 9 August 2011 10:30, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Sure - offline or non-english refs are accepted AGF! -- From: navee...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:31:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : New York Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count? Nice article ... :) Hi Tinu, One doubt in referencing; can we keep text indic languages as reference in English wikipedia ? Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 8 August 2011 23:13, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: *NewYork Times : When Knowledge Isn’t Written, Does It Still Count?* http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html *“MAKING fun of Wikipedia is so 2007,” a French journalist said recently to Sue Gardner, the executive director of the foundation that runs the Wikipedia project.* * * *And so Ms. Gardner, in turn, told an auditorium full of Wikipedia contributors and supporters on Thursday in Haifa, Israel, the host city for the seventh annual Wikimania conference, where meetings and presentations focus on the world’s most used, and perhaps least understood, online reference work.* * * *Once routinely questioned about its reliability — what do you mean, anyone can edit it? — the site is now used every month by upwards of 400 million people worldwide. But with influence and respect come responsibility, and lately Wikipedia has been criticized from without and within for reflecting a Western, male-dominated mindset similar to the perspective behind the encyclopedias it has replaced.* * * *Seeing Wikipedia as The Man, in so many words, is so 2011.* * * *And that’s a problem for an encyclopedia that wants to grow. Some critics of Wikipedia believe that the whole Western tradition of footnotes and sourced articles needs to be rethought if Wikipedia is going to continue to gather converts beyond its current borders. And that, in turn, invites an entirely new debate about what constitutes knowledge in different parts of the world and how a Western institution like Wikipedia can capitalize on it. * * * *Achal Prabhala, an adviser to Ms. Gardner’s Wikimedia Foundation who lives and writes in Bangalore, India, has made perhaps the most trenchant criticism in a video project, “People are Knowledge,” that he presented in Haifa (along with its clunky subtitle, “Exploring alternative methods of citation for Wikipedia”).* * * *The film, which was made largely with a $20,000 grant from the Wikimedia Foundation, spends time showing what has been lost to Wikipedia because of stickling rules of citation and verification. If Wikipedia purports to collect the “sum of all human knowledge,” in the words of one of its founders, Jimmy Wales, that, by definition, means more than printed knowledge, Mr. Prabhala said.* * * *In the case of dabba kali, a children’s game played in the Kerala state of India, there was a Wikipedia article in the local language, Malayalam, that included photos, a drawing and a detailed description of the rules, but no sources to back up what was written. Other than, of course, the 40 million people who played it as children.* * * *There is no doubt, he said, that the article would have been deleted from English Wikipedia if it didn’t have any sources to cite. Those are the rules of the game, and those are the rules he would like to change, or at least bend, or, if all else fails, work around.* * * *“There is this desire to grow Wikipedia in parts of the world,” he said, adding that “if we don’t have a more generous and expansive citation policy, the current one will prove to be a massive roadblock that you literally can’t get past. There is a very finite amount of citable material, which means a very finite number of articles, and there will be no more.”* * * *Mr. Prabhala, 38, who grew up in India and then attended American universities, has been an activist on issues of intellectual property, starting with the efforts in South Africa to free up drugs that treat H.I.V. In the film, he gives other examples of subjects — an alcohol produced in a village, Ga-Sabotlane, in Limpopo, South Africa, and a popular hopscotch-type children’s game, tshere-tshere — beyond print documentation and therefore beyond Wikipedia’s true-and-tried method.* * * *There are whole cultures, he said, that have little to no printed material to cite as
