Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
Hi Gautam, If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 26 August 2011 11:11, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 26 August 2011 11:08, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: Expression of interest by colleges is in English or other Indic languages ? Naveen, thus far English but perhaps Hisham might have had queries for Indic support. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On 26 August 2011 11:50, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Oh! Thanks Naveen. We'll definitely keep you guys involved with this. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:57, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 26 August 2011 11:50, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Oh! Thanks Naveen. We'll definitely keep you guys involved with this. Err, both of you are totally disconnected. Naveen, Education program is about interacting with colleges about use of Wikipedia included in teaching learning process, like Campus Ambassador program where people edit as part of curriculum. Gautam, WP:INEI is a WikiProject aiming improvement of articles in English wikipedia related to education in India and has goals like improving coverage of Indian education related articles. Ofcourse, if one student who participates from each college on education program writes / improves his/her own college article, WP:INEI can also improve ! -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
Yup Srikanth, But we can discuss in WP:INEI talk and create new projects for this purpose. I believe many in WP:INEI or WP:IND will be happy to help this new project. Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 26 August 2011 12:02, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:57, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 11:50, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Oh! Thanks Naveen. We'll definitely keep you guys involved with this. Err, both of you are totally disconnected. Naveen, Education program is about interacting with colleges about use of Wikipedia included in teaching learning process, like Campus Ambassador program where people edit as part of curriculum. Gautam, WP:INEI is a WikiProject aiming improvement of articles in English wikipedia related to education in India and has goals like improving coverage of Indian education related articles. Ofcourse, if one student who participates from each college on education program writes / improves his/her own college article, WP:INEI can also improve ! -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Can't we use the existing Wikisources (available in different languages including English) for the same? Or, Gautham, are you proposing something else? Shiju On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. - Sreejith K. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: So here's a question - given that there is much content that is out of copyright in India but not necessarily in other parts of the world, is there any sense in looking to create an Indian Wikisource for content that is out of copyright here? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Shiju and Sreejith: Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Shiju and Sreejith: Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: Shiju and Sreejith: Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? I believe that either WM Canada or WM India should do this, as these countries have the most useful copyright systems for our objectives. I think that all Australian works which are public domain in Australia (but not public domain in the United States) are also public domain in India and Canada. We need to check this with lawyers. Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. As far as I know, *the content that is that is out of copyright in India now* can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible? On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 12:57, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves. Indeed! Thank you, John Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the content that is that is out of copyright in India now can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Citing Sreejith above. Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. Also: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_policy The copyright laws applicable to Wikisource are primarily those of the United States of America, where the physical Wikimedia servers are located. The United States is not obliged to extend copyright beyond what it would be in the author's own country, and virtually all countries have copyrights that last for the author's life plus some number of years. I don't have a specific example, Shiju. Was thinking out aloud. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Wikisource already has a Commonwealth copyright wikisource it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. http://www.wikilivres.info/ On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres. Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]]. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 12:57, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the content that is that is out of copyright in India now can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Citing Sreejith above. Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. Also: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Copyright_policy The copyright laws applicable to Wikisource are primarily those of the United States of America, where the physical Wikimedia servers are located. The United States is not obliged to extend copyright beyond what it would be in the author's own country, and virtually all countries have copyrights that last for the author's life plus some number of years. I don't have a specific example, Shiju. Was thinking out aloud. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
I think it's a great idea! Alternatively, we could pool in resources with chapters / communities in regions which have minimal copyright restrictions so that they can legally host the content on their websites which will be accessible around the world. I would suggest jurisdictions which comply with the minimum requirements of the TRIPS Convention. I believe that would be author's life + 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years. [As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported by an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.] Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. As far as I know, the content that is that is out of copyright in India now can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible? The best example is Gandhi Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Wikisource already has a Commonwealth copyright wikisource it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres. Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on Indian server. Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 13:11, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam, any idea what happened to that blanket public domain extension plan of Govt of India which was posted some months back? Pranesh, is ahem, working on it. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Hello, 2011/8/26 Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org: On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Wikisource already has a Commonwealth copyright wikisource it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada. On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal to distribute on US servers. Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US, but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres. Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on Indian server. AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs. Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future other archives. Best, Gautam Regards, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs. In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :) Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
Gautam, Thanks for the update. Plan to engage with Department of Public Libraries is a valuable step ahead, in my opinion. Shortlisting other departments who's association would help immensely (for instance the department of secondary education) and trying to connect with them would be a plus. Let me know if I could be of any help there, I'd be happy to help. Membership at 80 looks like a good number achieved considering that Chapter had minimal resources to do a membership drive in that it doesn't have paid employees yet who can run around getting stuff done (or are there any now?). I believe placing a link on http://wikimedia.in/ about the membership would help drive more members. The site notice on the community wiki can also be put to better use. Good to hear about the progress on FCRA. Going by what I've heard from others, this is going to test your patience. About the Foundation update, The number of students involved sounds great and sets up huge expectations about the program. There has been tremendous publicity for the program. Like mentioned on the update, it does require great deal of effort to retain this enthusiasm in the campuses -- however the addition new staff, Shiju and Nikita should boost the efforts. I personally would like to see more people like Srikeit (who's presently helping out with the program) who've contributed immensely on Wikipedia, and have known the community for quite sometime being given opportunities to help steer this program. I met Srikeit during Wikimania and he was mighty excited about his role where he could put to use his long time experience being part of Wikipedia. I would be extremely keen to know more about the conversations happening between the mobile companies and the Foundation. What is the current picture? As more and more people increasingly access information from mobile here, this is going to be an important channel worth exploring rigorously, and with focus on Indian languages. And the independent public trust -- I know that I'll be hitting a sensitive topic by even stirring this, but I can't help but wonder how the dual power house model would work. A common Wikipedian from here would have several unanswered questions, and few very simple and obvious questions like whether two different entities are actually required for the same region, or about whom to approach for help in improving projects in the region or for assistance of any kind. It sort of puts up good deal of confusion for the community. Between just the chapter and the foundation's office (transformed into a legal entity of 'trust'), while there's just too many things to be done in this nascent community, isn't co-ordination going to be unnecessary overhead and something that is eating up into each of your's time? How do you plan to address these? And when the chapter was established, it was decided to go for a 'society' model for obvious reasons, and for of how democratic it would be. There are several more questions that would prop in the minds of Wikipedians who've seen times when there was no chapter, no WMF assistance during the earlier years (2002 - ) to the years now of conspicuously towering interest in the region. There were times when we put our own money to organize Wikipedia related activities, not having anyone here to help. So, this change is welcoming, the kind of interest we're seeing now in India is huge for every Wikipedian from this country. However, there is uncertainty about where this is headed. Cheers, On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Dear All: We have instituted a monthly call between the India Chapter and the Wikimedia Foundation. Members of the Chapter EC, Hisham and Asaf Bartov (who heads up Global South Relationships at the Foundation) will participate in this call. The objective of the call is to share information and improve collaboration between the Chapter and the Foundation on various Wikimedia projects of relevance to India. We had the first one on Aug 24, 2011, and here's a quick update. *Chapter Update* - 30 persons attended the workshop on Copyright and Open Licensing conducted on 30th July 2011 in Bangalore, which was well received. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events/Copyright_and_Open_Licensing_SeminarPlan - Plan to conduct 1st WikiAcademy with the Department of Public Libraries, Karnataka for their senior Library professionals on 12 Sep 2011. - Membership currently stands at ~80 - Participation from community on some projects but the response is below expectations. Chapter hopes that the response will improve as more activities are taken up by Chapter in the near future. - AGM will be conducted on September 24 2011. Elections process for EC vacancies has been initiated. - Process for applying for FCRA prior permission has been actioned with necessary steps being taken with local banks, consultants and the WMF. The bank account
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Hello, 2011/8/26 Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org: On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite. Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law of shorter term). Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except for photographs. In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with http://www.wikilivres.info/ :) Yeah. ;o) Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself. Thank you. Best, Gautam Best regards, Yann ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 13:34, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over the project, as I have no time and money to continue it myself. Yann, I don't know what it entails but perhaps it is something the Chapter might consider? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: Shiju and Sreejith: Currently Wikipedia projects are hosted in US and all media files uploaded to these projects should be copyright free in the source country of origin and also in US. If we need to upload media files out of copyright in India but still copyrighted in US, I am afraid, the servers need to be hosted in India. Sreejith's point is what I was wondering about. Is there value in this? Something that the Chapter might consider? I believe that either WM Canada or WM India should do this, as these countries have the most useful copyright systems for our objectives. I think that all Australian works which are public domain in Australia (but not public domain in the United States) are also public domain in India and Canada. We need to check this with lawyers. Wherever this new 'Wikisource' is located, the chapter needs to be careful to ensure it maintains the high standards of copyright compliance that Wikisource achieves. Agree with John. And Gautam, it is a good idea -- should be an interesting project to take up. -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
The best example is Gandhi Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. As far as I know, the content that is that is out of copyright in India now can be uploaded to the existing wikisources. Can you cite some examples for which this is not possible? The best example is Gandhi Many of his works, and translations of them, are not public domain in the United States. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Mohandas_K._Gandhi -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India. By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. - Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India. By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. - Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
True. Worth exploring? Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 2:46 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 26 August 2011 14:21, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, much content that reside in many Indic language wikisources, few images in Wikimedia Commons, and may be some works in English wikisource are also against US copyright law. So how can we overcome this issue? I think this issue is applicable to more countries, not only India. By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. - Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Very good points, Anirudh. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Aug 26, 2011 1:11 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a great idea! Alternatively, we could pool in resources with chapters / communities in regions which have minimal copyright restrictions so that they can legally host the content on their websites which will be accessible around the world. I would suggest jurisdictions which comply with the minimum requirements of the TRIPS Convention. I believe that would be author's life + 25 years for less developed countries and author's life + 50 years for other countries including Hong Kong. Copyright protection for literary works in India extends to life + 60 years. [As a sidenote: There are countries where copyright legislation is non-existent, e.g., Lao PR. The Wikimedia Foundation may not wish that their trademarks be used to facilitate copyright infringements in other territories, therefore an endeavour in these countries could be supported by an individual or community-run with no links to the Wikimedia Foundation.] Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 26 August 2011 12:52, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: So what you propose is not a new project, but to have servers in India for the projects with India related content? Infact most of the projects, including commons and meta, have India related content. I am not sure how much this will help. But do we have servers outside US now? Not for India related content, Shiju. Specifically a WikiSource server of sorts, hosted in India, exclusively for content that is out of copyright in India only. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiConference India 2011 - Call for Participation
Dear All, We have only 4 more days for the Program submission. Last date is August 30. Please submit your program proposals before the due date at * http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Call_for_Participation * Shiju Alex On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Dear All, The Call for Participation for WikiConference India 2011 is open now. Details are available here: * http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Call_for_Participation * Few guidelines that you need to keep in mind before submitting the proposal are available on this page. The guidelines are only meant as a pointer to help speakers and is not expected to be exhaustive. You can submit talks within all aspects of Wikimedia even if the topic is not specifically included on that page. ''' Be Bold.''' Few wikimedians had provided their wish list regarding WikiConference India 2011 here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_India_2011/Programs You can use that also as reference while submitting the proposal. *Important: *Please forward this mail to all the relevant mailing lists, in case I missed any list. Regards Shiju Alex For WikiConference India 2011, Program Commitee ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
Naveen: There's a project page already in place for the Wikipedia India Education Program. It's WP:INDIAEDU Srikanth : Thanks for clarifying Hisham Mundol Wikimedia India Programs skype : hisham.wikimedia gtalk : hmun...@wikimedia.org twitter : @mundol Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: Yup Srikanth, But we can discuss in WP:INEI talk and create new projects for this purpose. I believe many in WP:INEI or WP:IND will be happy to help this new project. Naveen Francis Signature powered by WiseStamp On 26 August 2011 12:02, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:57, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 26 August 2011 11:50, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Oh! Thanks Naveen. We'll definitely keep you guys involved with this. Err, both of you are totally disconnected. Naveen, Education program is about interacting with colleges about use of Wikipedia included in teaching learning process, like Campus Ambassador program where people edit as part of curriculum. Gautam, WP:INEI is a WikiProject aiming improvement of articles in English wikipedia related to education in India and has goals like improving coverage of Indian education related articles. Ofcourse, if one student who participates from each college on education program writes / improves his/her own college article, WP:INEI can also improve ! -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
Can community use the same ? Then this will be easy :) Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 26 August 2011 16:36, Hisham Mundol hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: Naveen: There's a project page already in place for the Wikipedia India Education Program. It's WP:INDIAEDU Srikanth : Thanks for clarifying * * *Hisham Mundol* * * *** Wikimedia http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home India Programshttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs * * skype : hisham.wikimedia gtalk : hmun...@wikimedia.org ** twitter : @mundol * *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!* On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: Yup Srikanth, But we can discuss in WP:INEI talk and create new projects for this purpose. I believe many in WP:INEI or WP:IND will be happy to help this new project. Naveen Francis Signature powered by http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer WiseStamphttp://www.wisestamp.com/email-install?utm_source=extensionutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=footer On 26 August 2011 12:02, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:57, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 11:50, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: If it is English, WikiProject Education in India will give a try, we are 40 in numbers now .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INEI Oh! Thanks Naveen. We'll definitely keep you guys involved with this. Err, both of you are totally disconnected. Naveen, Education program is about interacting with colleges about use of Wikipedia included in teaching learning process, like Campus Ambassador program where people edit as part of curriculum. Gautam, WP:INEI is a WikiProject aiming improvement of articles in English wikipedia related to education in India and has goals like improving coverage of Indian education related articles. Ofcourse, if one student who participates from each college on education program writes / improves his/her own college article, WP:INEI can also improve ! -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: Can community use the same ? Then this will be easy :) Not sure I understand the question, Naveen. It's an open page for everyone. Students and teachers and Campus Ambassadors use it to plan the program, manage their activities, get help and track progress. Right now, we've put in only the participants from the Pune pilot but eventually, i see this page expanding to include other cities as the program rolls out. Naveen Francis Signature powered by WiseStamp On 26 August 2011 16:36, Hisham Mundol hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: Naveen: There's a project page already in place for the Wikipedia India Education Program. It's WP:INDIAEDU Srikanth : Thanks for clarifying Hisham Mundol Signature powered by WiseStamp ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Just to clarify, Naveen, the project page is WP:INDIAEDU
Also, though I suggested otherwise, the template you've put up is going onto
pages of people who already are participating in the project and is redirecting
them to a different page. Apologies for my oversight in my earlier mail.
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Hisham Mundol wrote:
Great idea, Naveen. Will do.
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Naveen Francis wrote:
Sure Hisham,
Can you please ask all those who are involved in this project to keep {{User
WikiProject India Education Program}} in there user page ?
I have passed this message to few via following template.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:India_Education_Program/Invite
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On 22 August 2011 09:14, Hisham Mundol hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for the kind words, Naveen! I agree fully (though I may be slightly
biased! :-)) ...Don't forget the superstar Campus Ambassadors!!! Details
at WP:INDIAEDU! Send them some WikiLove as well!
Hisham Mundol
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On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Naveen Francis wrote:
There are many star students and star teachers from India Education
Programme.
Just loves how the program is turning out.
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On 21 August 2011 17:44, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:
[..snip..]
5. After the round of introductions, Hisham Mundol from the Wikimedia
Foundation India office provided an update.
5. a. He said that two members were added to office staff - Nitika Tandon
and Shiju Alex. Nitika would be working with the Pune Education Program.
Shiju will join them in the end of October.
5. b. He said that the Educations Program was successful. They expected 250
students but have now got about 1000 students. They are working on how to
manage this larger than expected outcome. One of the things they are
considering is having more Campus Ambassadors in Pune.
5. c. The office is also (hopefully) to be registered as a public trust
soon.Various options were considered before they reached this decision.
They are also looking for premises in the National Capital Region.
(emphasis mine)
This is big news!
Thanks for the update, Pradeep.
5. d. Hisham introduced Nitika Tandon to the members present.
6. Nitika provided an update on the India Education Programme.
6. a. She said that she had recently taken up her work at posting in Pune.
6. b. She has also been talking to 2-3 colleges in Pune but they have been
taking it slow since they have to manage the current student count.
7. Hisham suggested that one of the star students is user:basic.atari
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Basic.atari) who has been great and
requested Mumbai community members to send him some wikilove. (How? - Once
you log in, click on the heart in the top right of the user page to whom
you want to send wikilove and be led through some steps to send people
wikilove)
8. Achal gave a small talk on Oral Citations project. We were (Again) not
able to show the video.
8. a. Achal said that the Wikipedia before ~2004 did not have citations and
they grew as the Wikipedia project grew over the years.
8. b. He said citations currently was currently done from the publications
industry which has stronger and wider presence in European and North
American countries.
8. c. This combined with the limitations on what are rules on what could
get cited, could be one of the reasons for decrease in the growth of new
editors on Wikipedia.
8. d. The limitation on citation and deletion of articles without good
citations turned off new Wikipedia users and also took away some of the
revolutionary ideas around which Wikipedia was born. Other form of
citations were thus to be considered.
8. e. Wikipedians in India and South Africa worked on the Oral Citations
project - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations
9. The meeting was concluded at 6 pm.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 26 August 2011 13:23, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: connect with them would be a plus. Let me know if I could be of any help there, I'd be happy to help. Hari - that would be very welcome indeed. Both to connect us with departments that might be interested and at the events themselves. Likewise for people outside of Karnataka too. I'll be around for the September 12th event at the Dept. of Public Libraries. How about a meet-up right after the program to take this further? Agreed and thank you. Nope, there aren't any paid staff! We really do need to overhaul that landing page and welcome assistance on that too. Send me the access. I'll see what I can help with. You should try Drupal with CiviCRM for the website (or mediawiki itself). About the Foundation update, I'll leave this to Hisham, Shiju and Nitika. Shall look forward to response from Hisham. I hope he's spotted this thread! Hisham? What is the Chapter's perspective on this though? The movement wouldn't be where it is without the help of everyone who has kept the flame burning all the while. Everyone remains indebted to them. Heartening to hear this. There are a number of Wikipedians from India who've been working on the projects for years now without aspiring for much other than seeing their favorite projects grow, and at times putting in more than just their time for the projects. It would be amazing if some of these long time Wikipedians would come forward and take part in the establishments that are building up and engage themselves in conversations with the decision makers here to get that opportunity. Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. The advantage of separately hosted Wikisource is that the artefacts are self contained and can be used readily. Photographic media will be mainly useful, when they are embedded in an article. May be non WMF projects can use the same. Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge. Cheers Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On 26 August 2011 17:37, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be around for the September 12th event at the Dept. of Public Libraries. That's wonderful, Hari. Look forward to it. How about a meet-up right after the program to take this further? Like a public meet-up? Since Arjuna is coordinating this would be best to check with him as well. Arjuna? Send me the access. I'll see what I can help with. You should try Drupal with CiviCRM for the website (or mediawiki itself). Send me an email, off-list, please? About the Foundation update, I'll leave this to Hisham, Shiju and Nitika. What is the Chapter's perspective on this though? Well, the possibility of overlap and the need for coordination is one of the big reasons for the monthly calls - will certainly make things easier for all. just their time for the projects. It would be amazing if some of these long time Wikipedians would come forward and take part in the establishments that are building up and engage themselves in conversations with the decision makers here to get that opportunity. Agreed! How can we help make it happen? Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
inline On Aug 26, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote: About the Foundation update, The number of students involved sounds great and sets up huge expectations about the program. There has been tremendous publicity for the program. Like mentioned on the update, it does require great deal of effort to retain this enthusiasm in the campuses -- however the addition new staff, Shiju and Nikita should boost the efforts. I personally would like to see more people like Srikeit (who's presently helping out with the program) who've contributed immensely on Wikipedia, and have known the community for quite sometime being given opportunities to help steer this program. I met Srikeit during Wikimania and he was mighty excited about his role where he could put to use his long time experience being part of Wikipedia. Absolutely. The more Nitika and I look at the program, the more we are convinced that full time Fellowships (maybe of a 3 month duration) will be required when we move to other cities. Getting this kind of a program going is back breaking stuff and requires enormous co-ordination and follow-up. Experienced Wikipedians can make enormous contributions. I would be extremely keen to know more about the conversations happening between the mobile companies and the Foundation. What is the current picture? As more and more people increasingly access information from mobile here, this is going to be an important channel worth exploring rigorously, and with focus on Indian languages. I'll be keeping the community posted on this, as always. And the independent public trust -- I know that I'll be hitting a sensitive topic by even stirring this, but I can't help but wonder how the dual power house model would work. A common Wikipedian from here would have several unanswered questions, and few very simple and obvious questions like whether two different entities are actually required for the same region, or about whom to approach for help in improving projects in the region or for assistance of any kind. It sort of puts up good deal of confusion for the community. Between just the chapter and the foundation's office (transformed into a legal entity of 'trust'), while there's just too many things to be done in this nascent community, isn't co-ordination going to be unnecessary overhead and something that is eating up into each of your's time? How do you plan to address these? And when the chapter was established, it was decided to go for a 'society' model for obvious reasons, and for of how democratic it would be. The potential in India is massive - and so is the effort required to realise this opportunity (as you indicated.) It will require resources and capabilities and the Chapter and Foundation will both contribute. As far as who should be reached for assistance of any kind, do reach out to whoever and however many you want to reach out to. (An email to this mailing list for example is a great way - or feel free to reach out to the Chapter directly or to me directly or both!) Co-ordination between the Chapter and the Foundation is not an overhead; we need to do it and it will be well worth the investment of time and effort. There are several more questions that would prop in the minds of Wikipedians who've seen times when there was no chapter, no WMF assistance during the earlier years (2002 - ) to the years now of conspicuously towering interest in the region. There were times when we put our own money to organize Wikipedia related activities, not having anyone here to help. So, this change is welcoming, the kind of interest we're seeing now in India is huge for every Wikipedian from this country. However, there is uncertainty about where this is headed. Loud +1 to Gautam's point on this. Cheers, -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Gyanpad (Knowledge kiosk) web app: Easy interface to search Wikipedia and sister sites in Indian languages
Just to let you know that Google has quietly added several layouts before deprecating the whole Virtual keyboard API.( These will continue to work). I have updated my app and feel it can be used in wiki academies or where you want to focus on searching wikis, Do try and share your feedback. http://gyanpad.appspot.com Cheers Arjun On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:58 AM, arjuna rao chavala arjunar...@googlemail.com wrote: I added a comment on google issue. http://code.google.com/p/google-ajax-apis/issues/detail?id=454q=virtual%20keyboardcolspec=ID%20Type%20Stars%20Status%20Modified%20Summary%20APIType%20Opened Request your help to support the same, so that it gets Google attention. Regards Arjun On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:35 AM, arjuna rao chavala arjunar...@googlemail.com wrote: I am happy to share a tiny web application to help people get started with using Indian languages on Computers in public places, using wiki sites. Check it out http://gyanpad.appspot.com/ Cheers Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF, India Office and Chapter - Update
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Gautam John wrote: On 26 August 2011 11:08, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: Expression of interest by colleges is in English or other Indic languages ? Naveen, thus far English but perhaps Hisham might have had queries for Indic support. Not received any so far ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource
Good conversation. Very helpful to me to practice copy-right laws. Go on guys. :) *$U®¥∩* http://goo.gl/RoMyo.com http://FirefoxSurya.blogspot.com http://about.me/suryaceg 2011/8/26 Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of the country. This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the list, and may be some other projects also. The advantage of separately hosted Wikisource is that the artefacts are self contained and can be used readily. Photographic media will be mainly useful, when they are embedded in an article. May be non WMF projects can use the same. Unfortunately, this leads to fragmentation in the sense there is no one source for the sum of human knowledge. Cheers Arjun ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter - Executive Committee Elections 2011
Please note that the *last date of nominations* for Executive Committee Elections 2011 of Wikimedia India chapter is *Aug 29, 2011* With less than 3 days to go for the last date of nominations, there were just 2 nominations for the 3 vacant posts. This is very disappointing and concerning for the future of Wikimedia Chapter India. I sincerely appeal to the veteran Wikipedians / Wikimedians of India to come forward and help grow the chapter. Regards Tinu Cherian On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Dear All: We have instituted a monthly call between the India Chapter and the Wikimedia Foundation. Members of the Chapter EC, Hisham and Asaf Bartov (who heads up Global South Relationships at the Foundation) will participate in this call. The objective of the call is to share information and improve collaboration between the Chapter and the Foundation on various Wikimedia projects of relevance to India. We had the first one on Aug 24, 2011, and here's a quick update. *Chapter Update* - 30 persons attended the workshop on Copyright and Open Licensing conducted on 30th July 2011 in Bangalore, which was well received. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events/Copyright_and_Open_Licensing_SeminarPlan - Plan to conduct 1st WikiAcademy with the Department of Public Libraries, Karnataka for their senior Library professionals on 12 Sep 2011. - Membership currently stands at ~80 - Participation from community on some projects but the response is below expectations. Chapter hopes that the response will improve as more activities are taken up by Chapter in the near future. - AGM will be conducted on September 24 2011. Elections process for EC vacancies has been initiated. - Process for applying for FCRA prior permission has been actioned with necessary steps being taken with local banks, consultants and the WMF. The bank account required for FCRA is ready. The draft of letter from WMF will be finalized in a week by Chapter Accountant and Advisor (another prerequisite) and then FCRA application will be submitted. 3-4 months are required for approval by Home Ministry, Government of India. *Foundation Update* - Education Program is doing well from a numbers perspective - with more than 1000 students involved. However, there is a great deal of effort required to continue to support and enable and motivate these students. Additional Campus Ambassadors are being selected from the participating institutions. Hisham requested that everyone reach out and be encouraging to the Campus Ambassadors, students and teachers. - 2 new staff members selected; Nitika has joined Shiju will be joining by October - Initial conversations were being sought with leading mobile companies to explore Wikipedia on mobile - Independent public trust to be set up hopefully by next week, followed by FCRA prior permission and other approvals required for tax exemption, etc. *Collaboration on future projects* Some requests from colleges to participate in campus ambassador like program were received by the chapter and Hisham. Hisham said that till the ongoing program is stable, he will not be able to roll it to other cities. He suggested that colleges can get started by forming student clubs and Foundation staff are providing necessary information and assistance for the same. He also requested Chapter EC to extend their support for the same. Chapter seeks active involvement in the elections and looks to grow its membership base and expand it's reach in encouraging the use and contributions to the Wikimedia movement in India. Thank you. Best, Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter - Executive Committee Elections 2011
Gautam and the organizing committee for the election, it might make sense in extending the last date for nomination. The window for nomination hasn't been open for long, it might make sense in extending it for a while so more Wikimedians can hear about it. Regards Theo On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:40 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Please note that the *last date of nominations* for Executive Committee Elections 2011 of Wikimedia India chapter is *Aug 29, 2011* With less than 3 days to go for the last date of nominations, there were just 2 nominations for the 3 vacant posts. This is very disappointing and concerning for the future of Wikimedia Chapter India. I sincerely appeal to the veteran Wikipedians / Wikimedians of India to come forward and help grow the chapter. Regards Tinu Cherian On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Dear All: We have instituted a monthly call between the India Chapter and the Wikimedia Foundation. Members of the Chapter EC, Hisham and Asaf Bartov (who heads up Global South Relationships at the Foundation) will participate in this call. The objective of the call is to share information and improve collaboration between the Chapter and the Foundation on various Wikimedia projects of relevance to India. We had the first one on Aug 24, 2011, and here's a quick update. *Chapter Update* - 30 persons attended the workshop on Copyright and Open Licensing conducted on 30th July 2011 in Bangalore, which was well received. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events/Copyright_and_Open_Licensing_SeminarPlan - Plan to conduct 1st WikiAcademy with the Department of Public Libraries, Karnataka for their senior Library professionals on 12 Sep 2011. - Membership currently stands at ~80 - Participation from community on some projects but the response is below expectations. Chapter hopes that the response will improve as more activities are taken up by Chapter in the near future. - AGM will be conducted on September 24 2011. Elections process for EC vacancies has been initiated. - Process for applying for FCRA prior permission has been actioned with necessary steps being taken with local banks, consultants and the WMF. The bank account required for FCRA is ready. The draft of letter from WMF will be finalized in a week by Chapter Accountant and Advisor (another prerequisite) and then FCRA application will be submitted. 3-4 months are required for approval by Home Ministry, Government of India. *Foundation Update* - Education Program is doing well from a numbers perspective - with more than 1000 students involved. However, there is a great deal of effort required to continue to support and enable and motivate these students. Additional Campus Ambassadors are being selected from the participating institutions. Hisham requested that everyone reach out and be encouraging to the Campus Ambassadors, students and teachers. - 2 new staff members selected; Nitika has joined Shiju will be joining by October - Initial conversations were being sought with leading mobile companies to explore Wikipedia on mobile - Independent public trust to be set up hopefully by next week, followed by FCRA prior permission and other approvals required for tax exemption, etc. *Collaboration on future projects* Some requests from colleges to participate in campus ambassador like program were received by the chapter and Hisham. Hisham said that till the ongoing program is stable, he will not be able to roll it to other cities. He suggested that colleges can get started by forming student clubs and Foundation staff are providing necessary information and assistance for the same. He also requested Chapter EC to extend their support for the same. Chapter seeks active involvement in the elections and looks to grow its membership base and expand it's reach in encouraging the use and contributions to the Wikimedia movement in India. Thank you. Best, Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter - Executive Committee Elections 2011
I have also requested the election committee and the current Exec team to also publish the electoral roll too on the members wiki . This might help to well wishers to appeal to the good candidates to stand for the elections and help lead the Wikimedia movement. -TC On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam and the organizing committee for the election, it might make sense in extending the last date for nomination. The window for nomination hasn't been open for long, it might make sense in extending it for a while so more Wikimedians can hear about it. Regards Theo On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:40 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that the *last date of nominations* for Executive Committee Elections 2011 of Wikimedia India chapter is *Aug 29, 2011* With less than 3 days to go for the last date of nominations, there were just 2 nominations for the 3 vacant posts. This is very disappointing and concerning for the future of Wikimedia Chapter India. I sincerely appeal to the veteran Wikipedians / Wikimedians of India to come forward and help grow the chapter. Regards Tinu Cherian On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Dear All: We have instituted a monthly call between the India Chapter and the Wikimedia Foundation. Members of the Chapter EC, Hisham and Asaf Bartov (who heads up Global South Relationships at the Foundation) will participate in this call. The objective of the call is to share information and improve collaboration between the Chapter and the Foundation on various Wikimedia projects of relevance to India. We had the first one on Aug 24, 2011, and here's a quick update. *Chapter Update* - 30 persons attended the workshop on Copyright and Open Licensing conducted on 30th July 2011 in Bangalore, which was well received. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events/Copyright_and_Open_Licensing_SeminarPlan - Plan to conduct 1st WikiAcademy with the Department of Public Libraries, Karnataka for their senior Library professionals on 12 Sep 2011. - Membership currently stands at ~80 - Participation from community on some projects but the response is below expectations. Chapter hopes that the response will improve as more activities are taken up by Chapter in the near future. - AGM will be conducted on September 24 2011. Elections process for EC vacancies has been initiated. - Process for applying for FCRA prior permission has been actioned with necessary steps being taken with local banks, consultants and the WMF. The bank account required for FCRA is ready. The draft of letter from WMF will be finalized in a week by Chapter Accountant and Advisor (another prerequisite) and then FCRA application will be submitted. 3-4 months are required for approval by Home Ministry, Government of India. *Foundation Update* - Education Program is doing well from a numbers perspective - with more than 1000 students involved. However, there is a great deal of effort required to continue to support and enable and motivate these students. Additional Campus Ambassadors are being selected from the participating institutions. Hisham requested that everyone reach out and be encouraging to the Campus Ambassadors, students and teachers. - 2 new staff members selected; Nitika has joined Shiju will be joining by October - Initial conversations were being sought with leading mobile companies to explore Wikipedia on mobile - Independent public trust to be set up hopefully by next week, followed by FCRA prior permission and other approvals required for tax exemption, etc. *Collaboration on future projects* Some requests from colleges to participate in campus ambassador like program were received by the chapter and Hisham. Hisham said that till the ongoing program is stable, he will not be able to roll it to other cities. He suggested that colleges can get started by forming student clubs and Foundation staff are providing necessary information and assistance for the same. He also requested Chapter EC to extend their support for the same. Chapter seeks active involvement in the elections and looks to grow its membership base and expand it's reach in encouraging the use and contributions to the Wikimedia movement in India. Thank you. Best, Gautam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India chapter - Executive Committee Elections 2011
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:23 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: I have also requested the election committee and the current Exec team to also publish the electoral roll too on the members wiki . This might help to well wishers to appeal to the good candidates to stand for the elections and help lead the Wikimedia movement. Thanks for sharing your concern. As of now, there has been some more nominations. The right forums for EC elections discussions are members wiki (http://members.wikimedia.in) and members mailing list. ( wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com I request all the well wishers who are members to use the same. If any member has access issues, the same could be brought to Chapter's notice. Cheers Arjun -TC On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Gautam and the organizing committee for the election, it might make sense in extending the last date for nomination. The window for nomination hasn't been open for long, it might make sense in extending it for a while so more Wikimedians can hear about it. Regards Theo On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:40 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Please note that the *last date of nominations* for Executive Committee Elections 2011 of Wikimedia India chapter is *Aug 29, 2011* With less than 3 days to go for the last date of nominations, there were just 2 nominations for the 3 vacant posts. This is very disappointing and concerning for the future of Wikimedia Chapter India. I sincerely appeal to the veteran Wikipedians / Wikimedians of India to come forward and help grow the chapter. Regards Tinu Cherian On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: Dear All: We have instituted a monthly call between the India Chapter and the Wikimedia Foundation. Members of the Chapter EC, Hisham and Asaf Bartov (who heads up Global South Relationships at the Foundation) will participate in this call. The objective of the call is to share information and improve collaboration between the Chapter and the Foundation on various Wikimedia projects of relevance to India. We had the first one on Aug 24, 2011, and here's a quick update. *Chapter Update* - 30 persons attended the workshop on Copyright and Open Licensing conducted on 30th July 2011 in Bangalore, which was well received. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Events/Copyright_and_Open_Licensing_SeminarPlan - Plan to conduct 1st WikiAcademy with the Department of Public Libraries, Karnataka for their senior Library professionals on 12 Sep 2011. - Membership currently stands at ~80 - Participation from community on some projects but the response is below expectations. Chapter hopes that the response will improve as more activities are taken up by Chapter in the near future. - AGM will be conducted on September 24 2011. Elections process for EC vacancies has been initiated. - Process for applying for FCRA prior permission has been actioned with necessary steps being taken with local banks, consultants and the WMF. The bank account required for FCRA is ready. The draft of letter from WMF will be finalized in a week by Chapter Accountant and Advisor (another prerequisite) and then FCRA application will be submitted. 3-4 months are required for approval by Home Ministry, Government of India. *Foundation Update* - Education Program is doing well from a numbers perspective - with more than 1000 students involved. However, there is a great deal of effort required to continue to support and enable and motivate these students. Additional Campus Ambassadors are being selected from the participating institutions. Hisham requested that everyone reach out and be encouraging to the Campus Ambassadors, students and teachers. - 2 new staff members selected; Nitika has joined Shiju will be joining by October - Initial conversations were being sought with leading mobile companies to explore Wikipedia on mobile - Independent public trust to be set up hopefully by next week, followed by FCRA prior permission and other approvals required for tax exemption, etc. *Collaboration on future projects* Some requests from colleges to participate in campus ambassador like program were received by the chapter and Hisham. Hisham said that till the ongoing program is stable, he will not be able to roll it to other cities. He suggested that colleges can get started by forming student clubs and Foundation staff are providing necessary information and assistance for the same. He also requested Chapter EC to extend their support for the same. Chapter seeks active involvement in the elections and looks to grow its membership base and expand it's reach in encouraging the use and contributions to the Wikimedia movement in India. Thank you. Best, Gautam
