Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Shiju Alex]

And there is an en wikipedia article also on this topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_youth_wing_protest_against_Wikipedia%27s_map_of_India


Shiju


On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Gautam John wrote:

> ... there has been *much* coverage in the Indian media and many of the
> stories have comments too.
>
>
> http://news.google.co.in/news/story?q=wikipedia+india+maps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dYiSYZZMUhLrt7MQ1nIuCccQPfsCM&hl=en&ei=vC7LTsvbDovtrQems_DbDA&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=6&ved=0CF8QqgIwBQ
>
> Even from Jimmy!
> http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-11-18/news/30415009_1_wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-maps
>
> And others: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2640098.ece
>
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/nation/21404-bjym-men-protest-against-inaccurate-indian-map-on-wiki.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
> http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Gautam John]

... there has been *much* coverage in the Indian media and many of the
stories have comments too.

http://news.google.co.in/news/story?q=wikipedia+india+maps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dYiSYZZMUhLrt7MQ1nIuCccQPfsCM&hl=en&ei=vC7LTsvbDovtrQems_DbDA&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=6&ved=0CF8QqgIwBQ

Even from Jimmy!
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-11-18/news/30415009_1_wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-maps

And others: http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2640098.ece

http://dailypioneer.com/nation/21404-bjym-men-protest-against-inaccurate-indian-map-on-wiki.html

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

It is not a WMF project, and it's a copyrighted site also.

Subha

On 22 November 2011 10:50, Vaishak Kallore  wrote:

> What about the wikidrugs.org? It uses the wikipedia logo too...
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Vickram Crishna <
> vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not familiar with the online availability of pharmaceutical
>> information of drugs made in India. Do websites of manufacturers not list
>> the drugs they make? Is there any issue with citing the manufacturer's list
>> of drugs?
>>
>> What about online pharmacopeia? Do Indian associations not list the drugs
>> made in India? It seems to me this is a very basic requirement, the lack of
>> which (if correct) can be addressed by an RTI to the Ministry of Health,
>> possible bringing about a solution within months.
>>
>> A very similar action could happen with indigenous pharmacopeia, but
>> there may be genuine difficulty with an authoritative source for the
>> medicines/manufacturers/vendors/formulations, as the regulations for these
>> may not be of the same order. Again, there is no logical reason why this
>> situation should be permitted or encouraged to continue - it is in our own
>> interest to see it improve. Oral citations may be the way forward.
>>
>> 2011/11/22 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
>>
>> User: Netha Hussain +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
 ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
 articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same insufficiency you
 mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various drugs
 their actions and side effects, but most often they are not useful to
 the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
 names of the drugs.
  Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from the US or
 UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such  that if
 an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
 gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often search
 for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the generic names
 of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
 about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
 Wikipedia.

 Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to. Though I
 am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this project(or
 similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.

 Regards
 User: Netha Hussain



 On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally 
 wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 >
 > Some time back I was looking for some drug information (which was in
 my
 > doctor's prescription).
 > Then I was thinking why that information was not there in wikipedia.
 > I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of information.
 >
 > http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
 > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
 > http://www.webmd.com
 >
 > I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by my
 doctor.
 > collected lots of info from various sources and added to wikipedia.
 And I
 > was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a doctor. later
 my
 > article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
 >
 > I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
 > composition, use, side effects of each drug.
 > Incubation of such project would be helpful.
 >
 > I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo too. I am
 sure
 > this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project. (see the
 copyright
 > in the bottom)
 > http://wikidrugs.org/
 >
 > It is imitation of wikipedia.
 >
 > --
 > Thanks & Regards,
 > A.Radha Krishna
 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
 >


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

[Vaishak Kallore]

What about the wikidrugs.org? It uses the wikipedia logo too...

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Vickram Crishna
wrote:

> I am not familiar with the online availability of pharmaceutical
> information of drugs made in India. Do websites of manufacturers not list
> the drugs they make? Is there any issue with citing the manufacturer's list
> of drugs?
>
> What about online pharmacopeia? Do Indian associations not list the drugs
> made in India? It seems to me this is a very basic requirement, the lack of
> which (if correct) can be addressed by an RTI to the Ministry of Health,
> possible bringing about a solution within months.
>
> A very similar action could happen with indigenous pharmacopeia, but there
> may be genuine difficulty with an authoritative source for the
> medicines/manufacturers/vendors/formulations, as the regulations for these
> may not be of the same order. Again, there is no logical reason why this
> situation should be permitted or encouraged to continue - it is in our own
> interest to see it improve. Oral citations may be the way forward.
>
> 2011/11/22 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 
>
> User: Netha Hussain +1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
>>> ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
>>> articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same insufficiency you
>>> mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various drugs
>>> their actions and side effects, but most often they are not useful to
>>> the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
>>> names of the drugs.
>>>  Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from the US or
>>> UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such  that if
>>> an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
>>> gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often search
>>> for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the generic names
>>> of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
>>> about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
>>> Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to. Though I
>>> am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this project(or
>>> similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> User: Netha Hussain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Some time back I was looking for some drug information (which was in my
>>> > doctor's prescription).
>>> > Then I was thinking why that information was not there in wikipedia.
>>> > I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of information.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
>>> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
>>> > http://www.webmd.com
>>> >
>>> > I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by my doctor.
>>> > collected lots of info from various sources and added to wikipedia.
>>> And I
>>> > was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a doctor. later
>>> my
>>> > article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
>>> >
>>> > I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
>>> > composition, use, side effects of each drug.
>>> > Incubation of such project would be helpful.
>>> >
>>> > I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo too. I am sure
>>> > this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project. (see the
>>> copyright
>>> > in the bottom)
>>> > http://wikidrugs.org/
>>> >
>>> > It is imitation of wikipedia.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> > A.Radha Krishna
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Netha Hussain
>>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com
>>> swethaambari.wordpress.com*
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

[Vickram Crishna]

I am not familiar with the online availability of pharmaceutical
information of drugs made in India. Do websites of manufacturers not list
the drugs they make? Is there any issue with citing the manufacturer's list
of drugs?

What about online pharmacopeia? Do Indian associations not list the drugs
made in India? It seems to me this is a very basic requirement, the lack of
which (if correct) can be addressed by an RTI to the Ministry of Health,
possible bringing about a solution within months.

A very similar action could happen with indigenous pharmacopeia, but there
may be genuine difficulty with an authoritative source for the
medicines/manufacturers/vendors/formulations, as the regulations for these
may not be of the same order. Again, there is no logical reason why this
situation should be permitted or encouraged to continue - it is in our own
interest to see it improve. Oral citations may be the way forward.

2011/11/22 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) 

> User: Netha Hussain +1
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
>> ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
>> articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same insufficiency you
>> mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various drugs
>> their actions and side effects, but most often they are not useful to
>> the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
>> names of the drugs.
>>  Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from the US or
>> UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such  that if
>> an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
>> gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often search
>> for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the generic names
>> of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
>> about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to. Though I
>> am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this project(or
>> similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.
>>
>> Regards
>> User: Netha Hussain
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
>> > Some time back I was looking for some drug information (which was in my
>> > doctor's prescription).
>> > Then I was thinking why that information was not there in wikipedia.
>> > I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of information.
>> >
>> > http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
>> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
>> > http://www.webmd.com
>> >
>> > I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by my doctor.
>> > collected lots of info from various sources and added to wikipedia. And
>> I
>> > was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a doctor. later my
>> > article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
>> >
>> > I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
>> > composition, use, side effects of each drug.
>> > Incubation of such project would be helpful.
>> >
>> > I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo too. I am sure
>> > this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project. (see the
>> copyright
>> > in the bottom)
>> > http://wikidrugs.org/
>> >
>> > It is imitation of wikipedia.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> > A.Radha Krishna
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Netha Hussain
>> *nethahussain.blogspot.com
>> swethaambari.wordpress.com*
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Updates from Mumbai hackathon

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Thanks for the update. Happy to know that the session is productive with
several hacks that worked.

Congratulations!

Arjuna Rao Chavala
On Nov 22, 2011 12:38 AM, "Erik Moeller"  wrote:

> The Mumbai hackathon was awesome and really productive, with lots of
> improvements to internationalization, mobile (including SMS delivery)
> and offline content distribution. Thanks to everyone on this list who
> came out. If you did, please add links to your work product here:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes
>
> Here are a couple of blog posts by Gerard Meijssen about the hackathon:
>
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/21/the-mumbai-hackathon-was-sweet/
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/11/hackathon-india-day-one.html
>
> And here are tweets that happened during the event:
>
> http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23IndiaMWHack11
>
> Pictures:
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hackathon_Mumbai_2011
>
> Thanks to everyone who helped make this event a success -- especially
> WikiConference India team for partnering on this project and helping
> with the logistics.
>
> The success of the event exceeded my already high expectations; India
> really has an amazing community (and fantastic food).
>
> The internationalization team will still be here for a few days,
> meeting with the community and potential partners in Pune. I'm now
> heading to Germany for a few days vacation, but I look forward to my
> next visit to India.
>
> All the best,
> Erik
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Updates from Mumbai hackathon

[Erik Moeller]

The Mumbai hackathon was awesome and really productive, with lots of
improvements to internationalization, mobile (including SMS delivery)
and offline content distribution. Thanks to everyone on this list who
came out. If you did, please add links to your work product here:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes

Here are a couple of blog posts by Gerard Meijssen about the hackathon:

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/21/the-mumbai-hackathon-was-sweet/
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/11/hackathon-india-day-one.html

And here are tweets that happened during the event:

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23IndiaMWHack11

Pictures:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hackathon_Mumbai_2011

Thanks to everyone who helped make this event a success -- especially
WikiConference India team for partnering on this project and helping
with the logistics.

The success of the event exceeded my already high expectations; India
really has an amazing community (and fantastic food).

The internationalization team will still be here for a few days,
meeting with the community and potential partners in Pune. I'm now
heading to Germany for a few days vacation, but I look forward to my
next visit to India.

All the best,
Erik
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

User: Netha Hussain +1


On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
> ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
> articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same insufficiency you
> mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various drugs
> their actions and side effects, but most often they are not useful to
> the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
> names of the drugs.
>  Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from the US or
> UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such  that if
> an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
> gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often search
> for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the generic names
> of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
> about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
> Wikipedia.
>
> Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to. Though I
> am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this project(or
> similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.
>
> Regards
> User: Netha Hussain
>
>
>
> On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Some time back I was looking for some drug information (which was in my
> > doctor's prescription).
> > Then I was thinking why that information was not there in wikipedia.
> > I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of information.
> >
> > http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
> > http://www.webmd.com
> >
> > I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by my doctor.
> > collected lots of info from various sources and added to wikipedia. And I
> > was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a doctor. later my
> > article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
> >
> > I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
> > composition, use, side effects of each drug.
> > Incubation of such project would be helpful.
> >
> > I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo too. I am sure
> > this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project. (see the
> copyright
> > in the bottom)
> > http://wikidrugs.org/
> >
> > It is imitation of wikipedia.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > A.Radha Krishna
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
> >
>
>
> --
> Netha Hussain
> *nethahussain.blogspot.com
> swethaambari.wordpress.com*
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

[Netha Hussain]

Hi all,

I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same insufficiency you
mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various drugs
their actions and side effects, but most often they are not useful to
the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
names of the drugs.
 Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from the US or
UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such  that if
an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often search
for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the generic names
of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
Wikipedia.

Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to. Though I
am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this project(or
similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.

Regards
User: Netha Hussain



On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Some time back I was looking for some drug information (which was in my
> doctor's prescription).
> Then I was thinking why that information was not there in wikipedia.
> I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of information.
>
> http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
> http://www.webmd.com
>
> I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by my doctor.
> collected lots of info from various sources and added to wikipedia. And I
> was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a doctor. later my
> article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
>
> I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
> composition, use, side effects of each drug.
> Incubation of such project would be helpful.
>
> I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo too. I am sure
> this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project. (see the copyright
> in the bottom)
> http://wikidrugs.org/
>
> It is imitation of wikipedia.
>
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> A.Radha Krishna
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
>


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swethaambari.wordpress.com*

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Did you know?

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Just tried it. Worked beautifully.
Congrats!
Look forward to the blogpost

Cheers
ARJUNA
On Nov 21, 2011 9:08 PM, "Srikanth Lakshmanan"  wrote:

> * Did you know a lot of useful things were done at the Mediawiki India
> Hackathon see notes[1] . Thanks to all who made it happen and successful.
>
> I am writing about one of the tiniest piece(literally some 10 lines of
> code) of work done on Day 1 of the hackathon. After the initial interest on
> @DYKIndia[2], Arunmozhi[3] and myself started working on the DYKAPI[4]
> sometime back with the aim of creating a "perfect" API so that app
> developers can consume it. We are still far away from that perfect state,
> but as of now it gives a very random fact from 40k + facts stored. So I
> thought I would do a txtweb plugin to the current API, so that one could
> use it as a "stumble upon" on SMS to get random facts and browse to beat
> boredom.
>
>  So please try out the didyouknow txtweb app by sending "@didyouknow" as
> an SMS to 09243342000 and check it out.
>
> There is lot more that can be done and much more scope for more such tools
> with Wikipedia Zero etc,So if you are interested and have some time, do
> ping me, I will keep you engaged with work!. I would also write a detailed
> blogpost on wikimedia.in soon which Arjuna has been requesting me for a
> while.
>
> [1]
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes#Notes
> [2] http://twitter.com/DYKIndia
> [3] http://www.arunmozhi.in/
> [4] http://github.com/tecoholic/dykapi
>
> --
> Regards
> Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Did you know?

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

Great to hear Srikanth! 

Also notice that it sends you to the mobile interface at Wikipedia. Thoughtful!

warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

From: srik@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:07:13 +0530
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Did you know?

* Did you know a lot of useful things were done at the Mediawiki India 
Hackathon see notes[1] . Thanks to all who made it happen and successful.
I am writing about one of the tiniest piece(literally some 10 lines of code) of 
work done on Day 1 of the hackathon. After the initial interest on 
@DYKIndia[2], Arunmozhi[3] and myself started working on the DYKAPI[4] sometime 
back with the aim of creating a "perfect" API so that app developers can 
consume it. We are still far away from that perfect state, but as of now it 
gives a very random fact from 40k + facts stored. So I thought I would do a 
txtweb plugin to the current API, so that one could use it as a "stumble upon" 
on SMS to get random facts and browse to beat boredom.


 So please try out the didyouknow txtweb app by sending "@didyouknow" as an SMS 
to 09243342000 and check it out.
There is lot more that can be done and much more scope for more such tools with 
Wikipedia Zero etc,So if you are interested and have some time, do ping me, I 
will keep you engaged with work!. I would also write a detailed blogpost on 
wikimedia.in soon which Arjuna has been requesting me for a while.


[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes#Notes
[2] http://twitter.com/DYKIndia[3] http://www.arunmozhi.in/[4] 
http://github.com/tecoholic/dykapi


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Regards
Srikanth.L


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[Wikimediaindia-l] Did you know?

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

* Did you know a lot of useful things were done at the Mediawiki India
Hackathon see notes[1] . Thanks to all who made it happen and successful.

I am writing about one of the tiniest piece(literally some 10 lines of
code) of work done on Day 1 of the hackathon. After the initial interest on
@DYKIndia[2], Arunmozhi[3] and myself started working on the DYKAPI[4]
sometime back with the aim of creating a "perfect" API so that app
developers can consume it. We are still far away from that perfect state,
but as of now it gives a very random fact from 40k + facts stored. So I
thought I would do a txtweb plugin to the current API, so that one could
use it as a "stumble upon" on SMS to get random facts and browse to beat
boredom.

 So please try out the didyouknow txtweb app by sending "@didyouknow" as an
SMS to 09243342000 and check it out.

There is lot more that can be done and much more scope for more such tools
with Wikipedia Zero etc,So if you are interested and have some time, do
ping me, I will keep you engaged with work!. I would also write a detailed
blogpost on wikimedia.in soon which Arjuna has been requesting me for a
while.

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes#Notes
[2] http://twitter.com/DYKIndia
[3] http://www.arunmozhi.in/
[4] http://github.com/tecoholic/dykapi

-- 
Regards
Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An appeal to Wikipedians to join the campaign for freedom in the net

[Achal Prabhala]

Dear Prasanth,

Thank you for the update - I learned a lot listening to you, as well as 
Anya, speak about this about WCI. Is there anything we could do other 
than as individuals - which is to say, is there anything that the 
Wikimedia institutions can do? (the chapter, the Foundation, etc.) I 
guess we would then have to ask each entity whether they are comfortable 
with doing something here, but if there is, would there be a benefit in 
having institutional support?

Cheers,
Achal

On Monday 21 November 2011 06:47 PM, Prasanth Sugathan wrote:
> Dear Wikipedians,
>
> This email is the result of the stimulating discussions that I have 
> had over three days with members of the Wikipedia community at the 
> Wiki Conference India 2011 in Mumbai. The kind of enthusiasm that was 
> visible across the spectrum of participants – and it indeed was a wide 
> spectrum from 10 year old editors to representatives from various 
> language communities to persons with disabilities - has prompted me to 
> write this letter to the community members appealing them to extend 
> their support to the campaign to ensure that the ecosystem for 
> Wikipedia – which is first and foremost a free/open Internet - 
> survives in India.
>
> The threat to free/open Internet is REAL in India. The new Information 
> Technology (Intermediaries guidelines) Rules, 2011 threaten to curtail 
> our freedom on the Internet. As the demonstrations over the map issue 
> outside the venue during the conference showed, there could indeed be 
> threats to the way the community operates in India. These threats have 
> multiplied manifold by the notification of these rules.
>
> *How do the rules operate ?*
>
> The rules, at first look, seem innocuous, as it provides a set of 
> guidelines for intermediaries to operate in India. But, when you look 
> deeper, the rules are essentially a control on the users and a 
> coercion on the intermediaries to implement those controls. The rules 
> require the intermediary (Wikipedia will fall under the definition of 
> the intermediary) to enforce a set of terms and conditions on their 
> users. This includes asking the users not to post any content that 
> will beconsidered as g*rossly harmful*, harassing, *blasphemou**s*, 
> *defamatory*, *obscene*, pornographic, paedophilic, *libellous*, 
> invasive of another's privacy, *hateful*, or racially, ethnically 
> objectionable, *disparaging*, relating or encouraging money laundering 
> or gambling, *threatening friendly relations with foreign states*, or 
> otherwise unlawful in any manner whatever. Thus any editor who posts a 
> content on a historical event, a person or anything that could be 
> perceived to come under this wide list could be courting trouble.
>
> The critical provision of the rules is that anyone who is not happy 
> with any content that is posted on the intermediary site, and this 
> could include a person who is upset with a map or a description of a 
> historical event or person, could write to the intermediary asking 
> them to remove the content. The intermediary on getting such a request 
> is mandated to comply with the request within a period of 36 hours. 
> The rules neither require the complainant to produce a court order, 
> nor does it give an opportunity for a content creator to reply to such 
> a demand. The intermediary who does not comply with such a request 
> loses the safe-harbour 
>  protections that 
> it otherwise enjoys. Such a mechanism threatens the well-honed, time 
> tested procedure of content creation in the Wikipedia and exposes the 
> Wikipedia to legal actions.
>
> *Questions of privacy*
>
> The Wikipedia community includes a large number of users who use 
> pseudonyms and their information is protected as per the privacy 
> policy  of 
> Wikipedia. The rules could force Wikipedia, on getting a written 
> request from a Government agency authorised under the rules to divulge 
> information of the user, including facts like IP addresses from which 
> the user posted. As the rules do not mandate a court order for gaining 
> access to private information of users and only require a written 
> request, as against an elaborate procedure in the case of Internet 
> monitoring or telephone tapping, this threatens the right to privacy 
> of Wikipedia editors.
>
> We, as a community of Internet users have to ensure that our freedom 
> on the internet- to use it as a platform for public discourse, as a 
> means of knowledge dissipation- is not curtailed in any manner by such 
> draconian rules. I request you to be a part of the campaign to get 
> these rules amended by signing this *online petition 
> *,
>  
> by writing to your MP and by spreading this message through Facebook, 
> Google Plus, Twitter, identi.ca  and in e

[Wikimediaindia-l] An appeal to Wikipedians to join the campaign for freedom in the net

[Prasanth Sugathan]

 Dear Wikipedians,

This email is the result of the stimulating discussions that I have had
over three days with members of the Wikipedia community at the Wiki
Conference India 2011 in Mumbai. The kind of enthusiasm that was visible
across the spectrum of participants – and it indeed was a wide spectrum
from 10 year old editors to representatives from various language
communities to persons with disabilities - has prompted me to write this
letter to the community members appealing them to extend their support to
the campaign to ensure that the ecosystem for Wikipedia – which is first
and foremost a free/open Internet - survives in India.

 The threat to free/open Internet is REAL in India. The new Information
Technology (Intermediaries guidelines) Rules, 2011 threaten to curtail our
freedom on the Internet. As the demonstrations over the map issue outside
the venue during the conference showed, there could indeed be threats to
the way the community operates in India. These threats have multiplied
manifold by the notification of these rules.

 *How do the rules operate ?*

The rules, at first look, seem innocuous, as it provides a set of
guidelines for intermediaries to operate in India. But, when you look
deeper, the rules are essentially a control on the users and a coercion on
the intermediaries to implement those controls. The rules require the
intermediary (Wikipedia will fall under the definition of the intermediary)
to enforce a set of terms and conditions on their users. This includes
asking the users not to post any content that will be considered as g*rossly
harmful*, harassing, *blasphemou**s*, *defamatory*, *obscene*,
pornographic, paedophilic, *libellous*, invasive of another's privacy, *
hateful*, or racially, ethnically objectionable, *disparaging*, relating or
encouraging money laundering or gambling, *threatening friendly relations
with foreign states*, or otherwise unlawful in any manner whatever. Thus
any editor who posts a content on a historical event, a person or anything
that could be perceived to come under this wide list could be courting
trouble.

 The critical provision of the rules is that anyone who is not happy with
any content that is posted on the intermediary site, and this could include
a person who is upset with a map or a description of a historical event or
person, could write to the intermediary asking them to remove the content.
The intermediary on getting such a request is mandated to comply with the
request within a period of 36 hours. The rules neither require the
complainant to produce a court order, nor does it give an opportunity for a
content creator to reply to such a demand. The intermediary who does not
comply with such a request loses the
safe-harbourprotections
that it otherwise enjoys. Such a mechanism threatens the
well-honed, time tested procedure of content creation in the Wikipedia and
exposes the Wikipedia to legal actions.

 *Questions of privacy*

The Wikipedia community includes a large number of users who use pseudonyms
and their information is protected as per the privacy
policyof
Wikipedia. The rules could force Wikipedia, on getting a written
request
from a Government agency authorised under the rules to divulge information
of the user, including facts like IP addresses from which the user posted.
As the rules do not mandate a court order for gaining access to private
information of users and only require a written request, as against an
elaborate procedure in the case of Internet monitoring or telephone
tapping, this threatens the right to privacy of Wikipedia editors.

 We, as a community of Internet users have to ensure that our freedom on
the internet- to use it as a platform for public discourse, as a means of
knowledge dissipation- is not curtailed in any manner by such draconian
rules. I request you to be a part of the campaign to get these rules
amended by signing this *online
petition
*, by writing to your MP and by spreading this message through Facebook,
Google Plus, Twitter, identi.ca and  in every possible manner to Indian
citizens ….


 Warm regards,


 Prasanth Sugathan
Legal Counsel,
Software Freedom Law Center
K-9 Second Floor, Birbal Road,
Jangpura Extension,
New Delhi-110014
Phone# +91-11-43587126
Cell: +91 9013585902
www.sflc.in
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia meetups at Hyderabad

[రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్]

Hello there,

First announcement is that, we have Wikipedia meetup on 27th Nov, 2011 from
3pm to 5pm. Tentative venue is Lamakaan.

Next, we are trying hard to fix a permanent venue where we can organise our
monthly meetups, I request all the members of the list to come out with
their suggestions. Availability of Lamakaan has been difficult over the
last few months because of other events taking place there that makes the
facilitators at Lamakaan unable to provide room for us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Hyderabad/Hyderabad3 is the
event page at wikipedia.

Yours,

Rahimanuddin Shaik
నాని
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

[Prashanth NS]

Wonder if I missed any response to this mail (or there wasnt any?)

I agree with most of the points raised in the mail. For me, it is vital that 
the new energies (whatever their motivations be) should be aligned without 
overlaps and duplications. And they should be within the same ambit of 
participatoriness (which does not always result in an efficient or easy 
process) should be followed. I would most certainly call for wider deliberation 
and reflection before such "drastic" measures. 

Regards,
Prashanth

On 15-Nov-2011, at 4:46 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:

> Hisham,
> 
> There has been much discussion on this already, but this does sound like some 
> *serious* development to someone like me who has been a long time volunteer 
> from India. And perhaps to several other long time contributors from here 
> too, who seem to be staying away from adding their opinion here for a reason.
> 
> Thinking back about the time years back when many of us were used to spending 
> our personal earnings to organize small scale outreach programs here, things 
> have surely changed now and much of the development in last couple of years 
> has been, to say the least, *overwhelming*. 
> 
> India is now getting to see well funded conferences, the funds are now 
> flowing in for new programs that seem to be keen in quickly 'inducing' a 
> community that otherwise would have taken its own time growing in an organic 
> way. 
> 
> While all this focus on India and the sudden inflow of funds is all quite 
> amazing, this new development seems to indicate that the chapter, which has 
> the potential to better represent the community doesn't get to be at the 
> center stage anymore. 
> 
> When the Chapter was formed, a major decision involved choosing between the 
> open, more democratic legal model of a 'society' and slightly locked-in model 
> of a 'trust'. The Chapter chose the  'society' model which presented more 
> democratic setup despite the paperwork, hassles and the delay it presented. 
> Although Bishaka did mention on an earlier email about the trust, there was 
> nothing much to indicate why specifically the India programs office needs to 
> be registered as a trust. 
> 
> A serious concern in this context is that in a trust, the trustees needn't 
> change. Although new trustees can be elected, the control remains with the 
> initial set of trustees on board. The assets of the trust will be governed by 
> this closed set of trustees who are not subject to elections or restricted to 
> any fixed term unlike the model the chapter is built on. 
> 
> It is rather disturbing and surprising to see none of the volunteers from the 
> community actually voicing their concerns about this. There sure was a huge 
> discussion when the legal model of chapter was in question. I should note 
> here that Wikimedia India Chapter could have started operating earlier than 
> it did had we gone for the 'trust' model, as this one presented lesser 
> hassles with respect to paperwork. I should also admit that I was one of the 
> people who objected strongly to the idea of going for a 'trust' and instead 
> voted for the 'society' model when the chapter was being formed. 
> 
> Although I'm no longer part of the chapter now, it is quite disturbing for me 
> to see the efforts put into chapter being pulled to a certain possibility of 
> being sidelined and undermined, if not fully forced to shut its office. 
> 
> Like Ray expressed in an earlier email, it starts to give an impression that 
> somewhere we have lost our way. These two organizations would compete, create 
> more confusion than that exists now. It would surely make people alienated. 
> And above all - the community faces the risk of being dried out with tons of 
> chemical fertilizers that are being thrown in powered by huge funds to pacify 
> the growth. The rapidly spewed 'community' can vanish or evaporate with just 
> the same pace. The land could get barren. More than the numbers, it will be 
> the quality (which in turn retains the interest of people contributing to it) 
> that would sustain the projects. And if we continue like this, there might be 
> a time when nothing would grow even with the best of the funds thrown in. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Hisham  wrote:
> cross-posting to foundation-l & internal-l from India Community list; 
> apologies if you've read this already.
> 
> hisham
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Hisham 
> > Subject: Wikimedia India Program Trust
> > Date: November 11, 2011 9:55:00 AM GMT+05:30
> > To: Wikimedia India Community list 
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > I'm writing to share an update with you on certain developments of 
> > relevance to the Wikimedia movement in India.
> >
> > Announcement of Wikimedia India Program Trust
> > For some time, efforts have gone into creating an organization that would 
> > provide an appropriate structure to support Wikimedia program activities in 
> > India.  Aspects such as