Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Hi Ashwin This is very very very much a draft document. I have now mentioned that on the page. This was just my initial draft thoughts. (For instance, I've hardly covered a quarter of the learnings that I myself have put together- which again are very preliminary.) The various elements of the learnings gathering exercise that I had mentioned in an earlier mail will all feed into this - and we will also be reaching out to the community for their inputs. The purpose of this page was just for me to put some structure to my work. I take on board your points about high level strategic direction that we need to finalise before we start building the nuts and bolts. Improved Campus Ambassador training is certianly on that list but a whole host of others would also feature such as college selection, faculty selection involvement, subject selection, class selection, student selection, numbers, etc. etc. etc . However, what will determine and inform these will be the learnings that we are in the process of collating. My request is therefore to treat this page as a little workplace for me right now. Thanks Nitika On 29-Nov-2011, at 1:39 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: Nitika, I saw your draft edits about IEP campus ambassador syllabus on meta at the link below http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Education_Program/Program_Design#In-class but I felt that your syllabus seemed to repeat in essence whatever had happened earlier. Perhaps before redesigning your syllabus, you may like to decide en bloc, ie at a higher level, what changes you want in the overall scheme. For example, should the campus ambassadors have four days training instead of two? How much editting should be taught? What skills do they need to know? ( Needs to be mapped out). After getting all input, we should have developed something broad which says something like (for example) - Campus ambassadors will need to undergo six days of training - in three sessions. In session 1 (two days) they learn about Wikipedia, becoming an editor and intro to CA program. In session 2 (two days), some weeks later they hone their editing skills, knowledge competence and learn all things necessary to help editors. In the interim, they do some assignments, like bringing articles to GA, citation,etc which are of direct relevance to students and their assignments. In the last two day session,they get involved hands-on in the full gamut of activities that CA involves with role-playing skill development etc. After that and only after making something like that at its broadest level, should you flesh out the details. I would strongly recommend getting community involvement in developing this broad plan of action. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English Wikipedia requesting
discussion, cooperation and help.
Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute presentation on the state
of WikiProject India on English Wikipedia for the session on state of Indic
Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in Mumbai. At first I
thought nothing about the matter, but as I was compiling the report, I came
across statistics which would horrify any of us.
To begin with, as of time of writing this post, WikiProject India has a total
of 90,021 articles. This is a very large number and second only to Hindi
Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English articles cover only
India or some aspect of its geography, history, culture or its people, this
set of 90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, representing the largest
core of knowledge about India on any Wikipedia project.
But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick on English Wikipedia
provides a useful service to WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He provides a
WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have improvement tags such as
{{unreferenced}}, {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his report for
WikiProject India, at the following url:
http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India
you will find that of the 79435 articles in this project which were assessed
by Svick, a total of 52077 articles or 65.6 % are marked for cleanup, with
86271 issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different types of tags, the
most populous being :
* Articles with unsourced statements (6815)
* Articles lacking reliable references (1989)
* Articles needing additional references (4840)
* Articles lacking sources (8970)
* BLP articles lacking sources (1297)
* Articles needing cleanup (2751)
* Articles containing potentially dated statements (9317)
* All articles needing coordinates (14571)
* Articles to be expanded (1020)
Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for importance and 20,527
for quality, making a backlog of 60,865 assessments.
In addition, of the 90,000+ articles, there are 43,843 stubs and 10,986 start
class articles. All these need to be developed in time also.
Besides these are a very large number of cryptic articles, articles
pertaining to India but not tagged on the talk page with the WikiProject
banner. The articles themselves sometimes need more cleanup tags than are
marked at present.
You may have read Sven Manguard's special opinion editorial in the Signpost
some time ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay
wherein he has drawn attention to the hundreds of thousands of articles
needing cleanup and improvement on Wikipedia as a whole. That is exactly the
issue with WikiProject India, as of now.
To me it appears that - Something needs to be done URGENTLY.
My own suggestion is that this can easily be tackled if all of us do a little
bit every day. Many hands make light work. There are about 450 active editors
listed on the WikiProject members page. If each of us decided to do just one
cleanup task each day, then we can do away with 1,64,500 odd problems in a
year. Over time, these issues will fall to negligible levels.
Please reply to this thread with your views. Firstly, do you agree with me.
Is there a problem or am I sensationalising the case? What exactly are the
issues and how do we resolve them. Can we as Indians rise to the challenge
and bring down these backlogs to manageable levels. Please give us any
ideas, inputs, insights or critiques that may occur to you.
Many thanks for your note, Ashwin. I think this is a really important
discussion and I agree wholeheartedly with you about the need to do something,
and the need to do it urgently!
I notice your initiative to Collaboration of the Month on a select set of
nominated articles - and that's fantastic. That's exactly the kind of stuff
that needs to be done.
Here are few thoughts that I had
We need to create a sense of community and collaboration. It would really be
nice if as many interested editors as possible sing up. One comment I've heard
from some wikimedians is that there isn't enough collaborative editing. Can we
create some vehicle for this? For instance, can we take some time out in
community meetups and do a little bit for one or more of these articles? Can
we create some kind of mini-events equivalent to hackathons? For instance, can
we create an Edit Utsav every (just throwing this out as an example) on Sunday
afternoons every week?
We need to make a start - no matter how small Even if you choose to do 2
articles per month for Collaboration of the Month, that's great and we should
take it from there and slowly build up.
We need to create excitement and momentum.
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: Now, I want to raise another point. Do we really have the wherewithal for a 5 article collaboration? I think that is too optimistic, perhaps we should have a two article collaboration to begin with each month? My personal view is that any number is good and if it looks like 5 is too high, 2 is a great start. It's really interesting to see the points made by Srikanth R and Naveen on the articles on transport. Clearly, this idea has worked in the past and has potential. I'd suggest that you start with any number, even 2. ...I suspect that as momentum builds, you'll find that it naturally scales up. hisham ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
It may not work :( Tried earlier http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_of_the_month -- naveenpf On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Now, I want to raise another point. Do we really have the wherewithal for a 5 article collaboration? I think that is too optimistic, perhaps we should have a two article collaboration to begin with each month? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Naveen, I believe INCOTM is happening after two and a half years. Remember Transport in India ??? Very much; We need to do similar collaborative efforts to make more GAs in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INTI To everyone else, this is an excellent opportunity to start and get a good section of high quality India articles. This has been VERY successful in the past, as I have PERSONALLY seen. I once nominated Transport in India, and a month later, three of us managed to get it upto a GA level. --Regards, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.comwrote: +1, After a long time. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider nominatinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominationsarticles for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations Upto 5 articles can be selected for the COTM so plenty of scope available for nomination of the month. It is proposed to close nominations on 30 November 2011 and selections for month of December 2011 made from whatever we have. As of now, two are promising candidates - Mullaperiyar dam and Manmohan Singh. So dont be shy, be bold, nominate an article. Your favourite article could get a new lease of life from collaboration. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: It may not work :( Tried earlier http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_of_the_month -- naveenpf if at first you don't suceed... :-) btw, today I read an article yesterday about Ratan Tata and how he institutionalized an annual competition for the best failed idea - and is quoted as saying the equivalent of failure is a gold mine for a great company. ...not counseling failure as the only and sure stepping stone for success, but you do get my point. :-) I passionately believe that we should give this idea our collective best shot - and try and see how we can do things differently from circa Oct-Nov 2010. Much has happened since and I sense a degree of momentum that we can ride on. hisham___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
Hey, I'm really optimistic, that we can go forward with this. Seeing the number of English editors is on a rise and enthusiasm of several people, especially Pradeep Mohandas, I'm really sure that this will and shall work. ---Regards, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: It may not work :( Tried earlier http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_of_the_month -- naveenpf if at first you don't suceed... :-) btw, today I read an article yesterday about Ratan Tata and how he institutionalized an annual competition for the best failed idea - and is quoted as saying the equivalent of failure is a gold mine for a great company. ...not counseling failure as the only and sure stepping stone for success, but you do get my point. :-) I passionately believe that we should give this idea our collective best shot - and try and see how we can do things differently from circa Oct-Nov 2010. Much has happened since and I sense a degree of momentum that we can ride on. hisham ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
Srikanth, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the reason you said is
the only reason why English editting stopped. It must be a combination of
many things-
* Retirement and reduction of editting by long term editors
* For some reason, the same pleasure no longer felt in editting.
* Hostile atmosphere, lots of rules edit-warring.
* Switching part of effort to Indic, Commons, GLAM, Outreach etc.
* Lesser recruitment of newbies.
etc
Anyway, whatever be the causes, I think you and I and all of us agree that
we need to make WikiProject India a happening place again.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hisham,
Do note, we had ALL that till two years ago.
Since the offline meetups have begun, a lot of English editors have now
reduced editint to concentrate on outreach activities and all.
--Re,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English Wikipedia
requesting discussion, cooperation and help.
Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute presentation on the
state of WikiProject India on English Wikipedia for the session on state of
Indic Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in Mumbai. At
first I thought nothing about the matter, but as I was compiling the
report, I came across statistics which would horrify any of us.
To begin with, as of time of writing this post, WikiProject India has a
total of 90,021 articles. This is a very large number and second only to
Hindi Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English articles cover
only India or some aspect of its geography, history, culture or its people,
this set of 90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, representing the
largest core of knowledge about India on any Wikipedia project.
But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick on English
Wikipedia provides a useful service to WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He
provides a WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have improvement tags
such as {{unreferenced}}, {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his
report for WikiProject India, at the following url:
http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India
you will find that of the 79435 articles in this project which were
assessed by Svick, a total of 52077 articles or 65.6 % are marked for
cleanup, with 86271 issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different
types of tags, the most populous being :
* Articles with unsourced statements (6815)
* Articles lacking reliable references (1989)
* Articles needing additional references (4840)
* Articles lacking sources (8970)
* BLP articles lacking sources (1297)
* Articles needing cleanup (2751)
* Articles containing potentially dated statements (9317)
* All articles needing coordinates (14571)
* Articles to be expanded (1020)
Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for importance and
20,527 for quality, making a backlog of 60,865 assessments.
In addition, of the 90,000+ articles, there are 43,843 stubs and 10,986
start class articles. All these need to be developed in time also.
Besides these are a very large number of cryptic articles, articles
pertaining to India but not tagged on the talk page with the WikiProject
banner. The articles themselves sometimes need more cleanup tags than are
marked at present.
You may have read Sven Manguard's special opinion editorial in the
Signpost some time ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay
wherein he has drawn attention to the hundreds of thousands of articles
needing cleanup and improvement on Wikipedia as a whole. That is exactly
the issue with WikiProject India, as of now.
To me it appears that - Something needs to be done URGENTLY.
My own suggestion is that this can easily be tackled if all of us do a
little bit every day. Many hands make light work. There are about 450
active editors listed on the WikiProject members page. If each of us
decided to do just one cleanup task each day, then we can do away with
1,64,500 odd problems in a year. Over time, these issues will fall to
negligible levels.
Please reply to this thread with your views. Firstly, do you agree with
me. Is there a problem or am I sensationalising the case? What exactly are
the issues and how do we resolve them. Can we as Indians rise to the
challenge and bring down these backlogs to manageable levels. Please give
us any ideas, inputs, insights or critiques that may occur to you.
Many thanks for your note, Ashwin. I think this is a really important
discussion and I agree wholeheartedly with you about the need to do
something, and the need to do it urgently!
I notice your initiative to Collaboration of the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
Naveen, I think COTM is not the place where red links can be developed into stubs, start of even B class articles. The final outcome that we can hope for is that certain articles are : * Raised to FA/GA quality if not status (or at least) * Get improved by numerous edits (or at least) * Get improved due to numerous eye balls. The articles most likely to succeed are : * articles in the news * articles about popular subjects * articles about topics where large number of editors are interested * articles about subjects which people feel are important enough to get off their butts and edit * articles people feel passionate about That is why I think the waterway articles never took off. Look, even today nobody from WikiProject India - Transportation has converted them into stub or start. Can we ask for that to be done on operational immediate basis (fauji lingo for 'urgent') as a start? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: It may not work :( Tried earlier http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_of_the_month -- naveenpf On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Now, I want to raise another point. Do we really have the wherewithal for a 5 article collaboration? I think that is too optimistic, perhaps we should have a two article collaboration to begin with each month? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Naveen, I believe INCOTM is happening after two and a half years. Remember Transport in India ??? Very much; We need to do similar collaborative efforts to make more GAs in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INTI To everyone else, this is an excellent opportunity to start and get a good section of high quality India articles. This has been VERY successful in the past, as I have PERSONALLY seen. I once nominated Transport in India, and a month later, three of us managed to get it upto a GA level. --Regards, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.comwrote: +1, After a long time. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider nominatinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominationsarticles for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations Upto 5 articles can be selected for the COTM so plenty of scope available for nomination of the month. It is proposed to close nominations on 30 November 2011 and selections for month of December 2011 made from whatever we have. As of now, two are promising candidates - Mullaperiyar dam and Manmohan Singh. So dont be shy, be bold, nominate an article. Your favourite article could get a new lease of life from collaboration. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
Bigno, Ashwin - you hit the nail on the head.
One other point I dont see mention is availability of reliable sources. For
Indian articles, that is something that can be difficult to find at times.
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:57 +0530
From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
Srikanth, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the reason you said is the
only reason why English editting stopped. It must be a combination of many
things-
* Retirement and reduction of editting by long term editors
* For some reason, the same pleasure no longer felt in editting.
* Hostile atmosphere, lots of rules edit-warring.
* Switching part of effort to Indic, Commons, GLAM, Outreach etc.
* Lesser recruitment of newbies.
etc
Anyway, whatever be the causes, I think you and I and all of us agree that we
need to make WikiProject India a happening place again.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hisham,
Do note, we had ALL that till two years ago.Since the offline meetups have
begun, a lot of English editors have now reduced editint to concentrate on
outreach activities and all.
--Re,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English Wikipedia requesting
discussion, cooperation and help.
Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute presentation on the state
of WikiProject India on English Wikipedia for the session on state of Indic
Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in Mumbai. At first I
thought nothing about the matter, but as I was compiling the report, I came
across statistics which would horrify any of us.
To begin with, as of time of writing this post, WikiProject India has a total
of 90,021 articles. This is a very large number and second only to Hindi
Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English articles cover only India
or some aspect of its geography, history, culture or its people, this set of
90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, representing the largest core of
knowledge about India on any Wikipedia project.
But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick on English Wikipedia
provides a useful service to WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He provides a
WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have improvement tags such as
{{unreferenced}}, {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his report for
WikiProject India, at the following url:
http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India
you will find that of the 79435 articles in this project which were assessed by
Svick, a total of 52077 articles or 65.6 % are marked for cleanup, with 86271
issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different types of tags, the most
populous being :
* Articles with unsourced statements (6815)
* Articles lacking reliable references (1989)
* Articles needing additional references (4840)
* Articles lacking sources (8970)
* BLP articles lacking sources (1297)
* Articles needing cleanup (2751)
* Articles containing potentially dated statements (9317)
* All articles needing coordinates (14571)
* Articles to be expanded (1020)
Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for importance and 20,527
for quality, making a backlog of 60,865 assessments.
In addition, of the 90,000+ articles, there are 43,843 stubs and 10,986 start
class articles. All these need to be developed in time also.
Besides these are a very large number of cryptic articles, articles pertaining
to India but not tagged on the talk page with the WikiProject banner. The
articles themselves sometimes need more cleanup tags than are marked at present.
You may have read Sven Manguard's special opinion editorial in the Signpost
some time ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay
wherein he has drawn attention to the hundreds of thousands of articles needing
cleanup and improvement on Wikipedia as a whole. That is exactly the issue
with WikiProject India, as of now.
To me it appears that - Something needs to be done URGENTLY.
My own suggestion is that this can easily be tackled if all of us do a little
bit every day. Many hands make light work. There are about 450 active editors
listed on the WikiProject members page. If each of us decided to do just one
cleanup task each day, then we can do away with 1,64,500 odd problems in a
year. Over time, these issues will fall to negligible levels.
Please reply to this thread with your views. Firstly, do you agree with me. Is
there a problem or am I sensationalising the case? What exactly are the issues
and how do we resolve them. Can we as Indians
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
I interacted with several people at WCI who have never been part of a GA or FA process. There is a certain thrill in being part of such a process. From waiting for a reviewer to agree to the PR/GA/FA review given the backlog can be months long at times to the actual peer reviews, collaborating with several others including the reviewer and getting things in place is no childs play. It means several hours of hard work with the process itself taking weeks at times. The satisfaction one gets at the end of it makes the whole process worth it. The bar has now been raised to quite a high level on English Wikipedia and several WP:India GAs have been demoted in the last few years. IMHO we should concentrate on bringing these articles on par with todays GA norms - which will be a relatively easier task given that the article is a former GA. One such example of this being done is the Mumbai article which was demoted and has now reattained GA status. Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:06:18 +0530 From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011 Naveen, I think COTM is not the place where red links can be developed into stubs, start of even B class articles. The final outcome that we can hope for is that certain articles are : * Raised to FA/GA quality if not status (or at least) * Get improved by numerous edits (or at least) * Get improved due to numerous eye balls. The articles most likely to succeed are : * articles in the news * articles about popular subjects * articles about topics where large number of editors are interested * articles about subjects which people feel are important enough to get off their butts and edit * articles people feel passionate about That is why I think the waterway articles never took off. Look, even today nobody from WikiProject India - Transportation has converted them into stub or start. Can we ask for that to be done on operational immediate basis (fauji lingo for 'urgent') as a start? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: It may not work :( Tried earlier http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_of_the_month -- naveenpf On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Now, I want to raise another point. Do we really have the wherewithal for a 5 article collaboration? I think that is too optimistic, perhaps we should have a two article collaboration to begin with each month? Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Naveen, I believe INCOTM is happening after two and a half years. Remember Transport in India ??? Very much; We need to do similar collaborative efforts to make more GAs in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INTI To everyone else, this is an excellent opportunity to start and get a good section of high quality India articles. This has been VERY successful in the past, as I have PERSONALLY seen. I once nominated Transport in India, and a month later, three of us managed to get it upto a GA level.--Regards, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: +1, After a long time. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider nominating articles for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations Upto 5 articles can be selected for the COTM so plenty of scope available for nomination of the month. It is proposed to close nominations on 30 November 2011 and selections for month of December 2011 made from whatever we have. As of now, two are promising candidates - Mullaperiyar dam and Manmohan Singh. So dont be shy, be bold, nominate an article. Your favourite article could get a new lease of life from collaboration. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
I agree partially with you, Pranav. Yes, finding reliable sources in Indic
languages can be quite a challenge.
My own personal view is this - But while a source may be in a language but
its utility as a reference is basically language neutral. That means a
source in any language can be used providing you can read it and cite it. I
dont see so many places where sources are not available in English but are
available in indic languages. For vast majority of article subjects,
english language web can provide all the sources you can possibly need.
What is needed is NOT to have an attitude where anything English is painted
as a villain.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:09 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
Bigno, Ashwin - you hit the nail on the head.
One other point I dont see mention is availability of reliable sources.
For Indian articles, that is something that can be difficult to find at
times.
--
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:57 +0530
From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
Srikanth, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the reason you said is
the only reason why English editting stopped. It must be a combination of
many things-
* Retirement and reduction of editting by long term editors
* For some reason, the same pleasure no longer felt in editting.
* Hostile atmosphere, lots of rules edit-warring.
* Switching part of effort to Indic, Commons, GLAM, Outreach etc.
* Lesser recruitment of newbies.
etc
Anyway, whatever be the causes, I think you and I and all of us agree
that we need to make WikiProject India a happening place again.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hisham,
Do note, we had ALL that till two years ago.
Since the offline meetups have begun, a lot of English editors have now
reduced editint to concentrate on outreach activities and all.
--Re,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English Wikipedia requesting
discussion, cooperation and help.
Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute presentation on the
state of WikiProject India on English Wikipedia for the session on state of
Indic Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in Mumbai. At
first I thought nothing about the matter, but as I was compiling the
report, I came across statistics which would horrify any of us.
To begin with, as of time of writing this post, WikiProject India has a
total of 90,021 articles. This is a very large number and second only to
Hindi Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English articles cover
only India or some aspect of its geography, history, culture or its people,
this set of 90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, representing the
largest core of knowledge about India on any Wikipedia project.
But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick on English Wikipedia
provides a useful service to WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He provides
a WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have improvement tags such as
{{unreferenced}}, {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his report for
WikiProject India, at the following url:
http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India
you will find that of the 79435 articles in this project which were
assessed by Svick, a total of 52077 articles or 65.6 % are marked for
cleanup, with 86271 issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different
types of tags, the most populous being :
* Articles with unsourced statements (6815)
* Articles lacking reliable references (1989)
* Articles needing additional references (4840)
* Articles lacking sources (8970)
* BLP articles lacking sources (1297)
* Articles needing cleanup (2751)
* Articles containing potentially dated statements (9317)
* All articles needing coordinates (14571)
* Articles to be expanded (1020)
Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for importance and
20,527 for quality, making a backlog of 60,865 assessments.
In addition, of the 90,000+ articles, there are 43,843 stubs and 10,986
start class articles. All these need to be developed in time also.
Besides these are a very large number of cryptic articles, articles
pertaining to India but not tagged on the talk page with the WikiProject
banner. The articles themselves sometimes need more cleanup tags than are
marked at present.
You may have read Sven Manguard's special opinion editorial in the
Signpost some time ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
There seems to be a little bit of misunderstanding. I was talking of English
Wikipedia and livability of English references.
I have helped a couple of articles attain GA status. We conducted a PR for FA
status and realised some of the refs need to be changed. At GA level they were
accepted due to YES:POV, however to attain FA they need to be changed to better
refs. We have had to give a break and wait for such refs to come up before we
can proceed.
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:17:21 +0530
From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
I agree partially with you, Pranav. Yes, finding reliable sources in Indic
languages can be quite a challenge.
My own personal view is this - But while a source may be in a language but its
utility as a reference is basically language neutral. That means a source in
any language can be used providing you can read it and cite it. I dont see so
many places where sources are not available in English but are available in
indic languages. For vast majority of article subjects, english language web
can provide all the sources you can possibly need. What is needed is NOT to
have an attitude where anything English is painted as a villain.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:09 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
Bigno, Ashwin - you hit the nail on the head.
One other point I dont see mention is availability of reliable sources. For
Indian articles, that is something that can be difficult to find at times.
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:57 +0530
From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia
Srikanth, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the reason you said is the
only reason why English editting stopped. It must be a combination of many
things-
* Retirement and reduction of editting by long term editors
* For some reason, the same pleasure no longer felt in editting.
* Hostile atmosphere, lots of rules edit-warring.
* Switching part of effort to Indic, Commons, GLAM, Outreach etc.
* Lesser recruitment of newbies.
etc
Anyway, whatever be the causes, I think you and I and all of us agree that we
need to make WikiProject India a happening place again.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hisham,
Do note, we had ALL that till two years ago.Since the offline meetups have
begun, a lot of English editors have now reduced editint to concentrate on
outreach activities and all.
--Re,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English Wikipedia requesting
discussion, cooperation and help.
Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute presentation on the state
of WikiProject India on English Wikipedia for the session on state of Indic
Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in Mumbai. At first I
thought nothing about the matter, but as I was compiling the report, I came
across statistics which would horrify any of us.
To begin with, as of time of writing this post, WikiProject India has a total
of 90,021 articles. This is a very large number and second only to Hindi
Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English articles cover only India
or some aspect of its geography, history, culture or its people, this set of
90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, representing the largest core of
knowledge about India on any Wikipedia project.
But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick on English Wikipedia
provides a useful service to WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He provides a
WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have improvement tags such as
{{unreferenced}}, {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his report for
WikiProject India, at the following url:
http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India
you will find that of the 79435 articles in this project which were assessed by
Svick, a total of 52077 articles or 65.6 % are marked for cleanup, with 86271
issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different types of tags, the most
populous being :
* Articles with unsourced statements (6815)
* Articles lacking reliable references (1989)
* Articles needing additional references (4840)
* Articles lacking sources (8970)
* BLP articles lacking sources (1297)
* Articles needing cleanup (2751)
* Articles containing potentially dated statements (9317)
* All articles needing coordinates (14571)
* Articles to be expanded (1020)
Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for importance and
[Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Hey Rohit, I will do the early two hours. That is six to eight. In the evening, I will do the six to eight pm block. :) Regards Harsha -- Sent via Nokia Email --Original message-- From: Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:23:58 PM GMT+0530 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis Dear Nitika: I'm most glad this is being done and being shared. Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a sub-set of a preliminary list) A lot of this should be possible via the API - maybe Jace can show us how we can do it programatically. Do please share your thoughts and suggestions on the above. Please also do let me know if I've missed out anything. I'd be curious in looking at the copyvio stuff in greater detail but I do not know if that adds any value to your research. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-in-del] Hindi Wikipedians Meetup in New Delhi
I hope this went well? I didn't see any information on wiki or mailing lists about it. Mayur might have sent it to the wrong mailing list, I don't see his mail in Wikimediaindia archives. Theo -- Forwarded message -- From: mayur mayur...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-in-del] Hindi Wikipedians Meetup in New Delhi To: wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikipedia Hindi wikih...@lists.wikimedia.org, wikimediaindi...@lists.wikimedia.org Dear Wikimedians, I am pleased to inform you that first Hindi Wikipedian meetup is going to be held at Wikimedia India Office, New Delhi.All Interested Wikipedians are invited to join this meetup.Meetup schedule is as following- Address- Top Floor, G-15 behind Hauz Khas G-Block market (NOT Main Hauz Khas Market) just off Aurobindo Marg; near Hauz Khas Metro; near IIT Flyover; near Hauz Khas Thana New Delhi - 110 016 Date Time- 27/11/2011 3:00-5:00pm Regards (User:Mayur)http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Mayur ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting the evaluative study? As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable and experienced members of the community to focus on the outside perspective. I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the Education program would make this process any different from the pattern that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really important). So, In summary, her only exposure to India and the community *was* the Research project that was undertaken for WMF earlier this year. I haven't had the chance to see the India Chronicles, but I can take your word for it. My point was, fresh eyes were what brought us here, but that notion doesn't seem to be registering with anyone yet. You are trying to justify that a single visit for a research project on behalf of WMF qualifies someone about a culture, community and a country. I thought you needed more local Indian perspective on this, how is this a start? She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person interviews...and is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work will be valuable to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with the community. It won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and the Global Education Program team are committed to doing more joint problem-solving on future changes to the program with those interested in engaging with us. Again, as I said, mostly remote work, and a couple of days in Pune and Delhi. Honestly, I'm not sure anyone currently on the WMF India staff has a good view of this, even after engaging directly for several months. I can't seem to understand what a researcher/consultant who wasn't as engaged as the staff can come up with. Anyway, It was just my opinion. I made my concerns known before the IEP was undertaken, I guess you guys have this. Regards Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011
hi, I've put this up on the Noticeboard as well - No prefered stand. I think we're worrying too much about niceties here. Let's set the rules as the number of collaborators increase and there are needs for such limits and rules. Why not work on all the articles nominated? This is the first time that this has been re-introduced. However, I have no problems whether we're collaborating on 2 articles or 5 articles. Rules need be applied only when really needed. Are rules really needed here? warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:23:33 +0530 From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011 Thanks for the suggestion, Srikanth . Did that. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANoticeboard_for_India-related_topicsaction=historysubmitdiff=463088930oldid=463082772 Please give your views here,everyone rather than on email - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Required_-_articles_for_Collaboration_of_the_Month Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 15:59, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have consensus for reducing to two. Any objections or alternatives proposed? I think WT:INB might be better place, just because it is more representative than this list for asking any feedback IMO. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought
hi, Happy to note that the article is already getting significant attention. Requisite notices have been put up under all sections. Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullaperiyar_Dam warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)
Odia wikipedia is one of the shining example of how really active wikipedians can make the the growth of wikipedia. The outreach programs which they have conducted has shown the results in the last 15 months. User:Rameshng On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Shiju Alex sh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project can be revived and build a community around it, if few wonderful users with a vision for building free knowledge in their mother language arrive in their mother language wiki. Odia wikipedia was started in 2002. In fact it is one of the first Indic language wikipedia. Nothing much had happened in Odia wiki till 2010 December. But the progress made by Odia wiki project ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) during the past one year is note worthy and it is an example that can be replicated in some of the inactive Indic language wikipedias. Odia was having just 600 articles (which were created over the past 8 years) and no active users at the start of this year. Now 10 months later, it has close to 1600 articles and 10 active users. The online and offline outreach initiatives took by Odia wiki community for building the community is showing positive result. I was actively involved in the community building for Odia wikipedia. I still remember the day (2011 January 15) when I introducted Odia wikipedia and Odia tying tool (developed by Junaid) to an Odia speaker (Ashuthosh Kar) during Wiki X celebration at Bangalore. Through him very soon we got a wonderful wikipedian (Subhashish) who is leading the efforts for Odia wiki now. Initially Subhasish and I used to meet at my home and work on the basic things for Odia wiki. I remember us working on the Odia wikipedia logo, FAQ booklet, Translate wiki, and so on. Soon Odia got more members to the team through the few Odia wiki workshops happened at Bangalore. Along with workshops, Odia wikipedians translated the FAQ booklet to Odia and took efforts to integrate the Odia typing solution to Odia wikipedia. Later with the support of Dhanada Mishra (the chairman of Human Development Foundation (http://www.hdf.org.in/)) and a young student Odia wikipedian Srikanth Kedia a wiki workshop is conducted at Bhubaneshwar. Odia wikipedians from Bangalore are doing an excellent job and now many of them are participating in Wikimedia India chapter activities also. Odia wiki community is effectively making use of various social networking sites to reach out to Odia speakers. Odia wiki project picked up not because Odia has got huge speaker base, high literacy among Odia speakers, access to computers, or any thing else; it become active only because it has receieved the right volunteers who have passion and vision of developing a wikipedia in their mother language. We need similar volunteers for each Indic language wikipedia. Requesting you to place your comments on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 . Regards Shiju ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)
+1 to Ramesh's comment. Heartiest congratulations to Odia community on the enormous effort, intensity and passion they have shown, Well done please keep up the great work. :) Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com wrote: Odia wikipedia is one of the shining example of how really active wikipedians can make the the growth of wikipedia. The outreach programs which they have conducted has shown the results in the last 15 months. User:Rameshng On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Shiju Alex sh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project can be revived and build a community around it, if few wonderful users with a vision for building free knowledge in their mother language arrive in their mother language wiki. Odia wikipedia was started in 2002. In fact it is one of the first Indic language wikipedia. Nothing much had happened in Odia wiki till 2010 December. But the progress made by Odia wiki project ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) during the past one year is note worthy and it is an example that can be replicated in some of the inactive Indic language wikipedias. Odia was having just 600 articles (which were created over the past 8 years) and no active users at the start of this year. Now 10 months later, it has close to 1600 articles and 10 active users. The online and offline outreach initiatives took by Odia wiki community for building the community is showing positive result. I was actively involved in the community building for Odia wikipedia. I still remember the day (2011 January 15) when I introducted Odia wikipedia and Odia tying tool (developed by Junaid) to an Odia speaker (Ashuthosh Kar) during Wiki X celebration at Bangalore. Through him very soon we got a wonderful wikipedian (Subhashish) who is leading the efforts for Odia wiki now. Initially Subhasish and I used to meet at my home and work on the basic things for Odia wiki. I remember us working on the Odia wikipedia logo, FAQ booklet, Translate wiki, and so on. Soon Odia got more members to the team through the few Odia wiki workshops happened at Bangalore. Along with workshops, Odia wikipedians translated the FAQ booklet to Odia and took efforts to integrate the Odia typing solution to Odia wikipedia. Later with the support of Dhanada Mishra (the chairman of Human Development Foundation (http://www.hdf.org.in/)) and a young student Odia wikipedian Srikanth Kedia a wiki workshop is conducted at Bhubaneshwar. Odia wikipedians from Bangalore are doing an excellent job and now many of them are participating in Wikimedia India chapter activities also. Odia wiki community is effectively making use of various social networking sites to reach out to Odia speakers. Odia wiki project picked up not because Odia has got huge speaker base, high literacy among Odia speakers, access to computers, or any thing else; it become active only because it has receieved the right volunteers who have passion and vision of developing a wikipedia in their mother language. We need similar volunteers for each Indic language wikipedia. Requesting you to place your comments on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 . Regards Shiju ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:INfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi all, Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory Read. Best, Barry On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting the evaluative study? As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable and experienced members of the community to focus on the outside perspective. I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the Education program would make this process any different from the pattern that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really important). She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person interviews...and is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work will be valuable to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with the community. It won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and the Global Education Program team are committed to doing more joint problem-solving on future changes to the program with those interested in engaging with us. Hi Barry, My understanding is that conducting an evaluative study requires a deep comprehension of our projects and the volunteers. At the same time, an exercise like this demands objectivity while analyzing empirical evidence. By building a repertoire of anecdotal evidence through a series of interviews mostly conducted over phone/VoIP, I do not see how this report will inform us beyond what discussions on this mailing list already have. Tory Read is an accomplished story-teller, but she is not a Wikipedian. Can we simply not have WMF staff in New Delhi handle the interviews and requests for comment? (They should also seek help from some of the established Wikipedia editors.) The reason why I am stressing on this is because I think that an established Wikipedia editor would be better-placed to objectively analyze what worked and what did not work, and how this program may be improved. Such editors need not be Indian, they can be a group of Wikipedians who were directly or peripherally involved on Wikipedia when the IEP program was being executed. Best, anirudh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:IN for these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mumbai hackathon followup
On 11/24/2011 11:18 AM, wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:30:52 +0530 From: Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mumbai hackathon followup To: Wikimedia India List wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: col102-w21adac28301e54d1acb87a85...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hi Sumana, Thanks for that update and also thanks to the Engineering team at WMF for the Hackathon. Any possibilities on developers meeting each other and newbies attending these? Also, any possibilities to catch up for those who missed the session in Mumbai? warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas Pradeep, Thanks for your note! I am glad that the Wikimedia Foundation was able to help out and that I got to meet so many interesting people at the hackathon. If I am reading your question right, you are interested in future hackathons and other technical events? We are tentatively planning to run a hackathon in February in Pune, alongside GNUnify http://gnunify.in/ (GNUnify is 10-11 Feb), but I do not know details about that yet. And please keep an eye on this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings and these feeds: https://twitter.com/MediaWikiMeet https://identi.ca/mediawikimeet which tell you about upcoming meetings in physical and virtual space. You asked about catching up, for those who missed the Mumbai hackathon. We did not record any of the sessions of the hackathon (I'm sorry), but the Technical Liaisons and Developer Relations group is working on improving our documentation on mediawiki.org, starting with these recordings and materials: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Volunteer_coordination_and_outreach/Training_materials You might also be interested in some of the recent presentations we've given: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Presentations And Erik added a lot of links to his online notes from his plenary session: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes#Structure If there is anything specific that you're eager to learn more about, please let us know by asking in our group chat channel http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#mediawiki -- that's the fastest way to get pointers to more information! And if you'd like for more hackathons and other technical events to happen in your area, I can try to help. And of course you can set up an event on your own as well! Thanks. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Let's applaud the India Hackathon
Crosspost to the Wikimedia India Mailing list. --Kul - We recently completed a Hackathon in India where the themes were: * localization * mobile * offline In summary, over one weekend more than 50 volunteers from many parts of India added their hard work and insights to the technical foundation of Wikipedia. In the mobile area alone, volunteers contributed to 17 features, as listed here (features that were worked on are marked with an H): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/features#India_Hackathon We also got support and input from most of the major mobile operators in India about how to make our user experience better. Free access to Wikipedia is moving forward on a number of fronts, as we identified several forms of collaboration, not just in the form of Wikipedia Zero. For example, there seems to be widespread interest in using an RSS feed of the Article of the Day, and the top 5 languages in India are important. This was our first hackathon in India and all in all, it was a resounding success. For those of you who were at the event, many thanks and congratulations for your achievements in such a short period of time! We certainly hope you continue to stay involved and continue to contribute. IRC is a good way for developers to stay in touch. Join wikimedia-mobile on irc.freenode.net. Regards, Phil -- Phil Inje Chang Product Manager, Mobile Wikimedia Foundation 415-812-0854 m 415-882-7982 x 6810 ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Kul Wadhwa Wikimedia Foundation +1-415-839-6885 ext. 6603 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)
Thanks a lot Shiju, Ramesh and Ashwin, applauds for Gyana for his recent hard work in a span of even less than a month. We would like to take help from the existing communities to set up the Gramapanchayat in Odia Wikipedia, please help us with the set up and documentation. Kind regards Subha On 29 November 2011 21:40, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Ramesh's comment. Heartiest congratulations to Odia community on the enormous effort, intensity and passion they have shown, Well done please keep up the great work. :) Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com wrote: Odia wikipedia is one of the shining example of how really active wikipedians can make the the growth of wikipedia. The outreach programs which they have conducted has shown the results in the last 15 months. User:Rameshng On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Shiju Alex sh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project can be revived and build a community around it, if few wonderful users with a vision for building free knowledge in their mother language arrive in their mother language wiki. Odia wikipedia was started in 2002. In fact it is one of the first Indic language wikipedia. Nothing much had happened in Odia wiki till 2010 December. But the progress made by Odia wiki project ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) during the past one year is note worthy and it is an example that can be replicated in some of the inactive Indic language wikipedias. Odia was having just 600 articles (which were created over the past 8 years) and no active users at the start of this year. Now 10 months later, it has close to 1600 articles and 10 active users. The online and offline outreach initiatives took by Odia wiki community for building the community is showing positive result. I was actively involved in the community building for Odia wikipedia. I still remember the day (2011 January 15) when I introducted Odia wikipedia and Odia tying tool (developed by Junaid) to an Odia speaker (Ashuthosh Kar) during Wiki X celebration at Bangalore. Through him very soon we got a wonderful wikipedian (Subhashish) who is leading the efforts for Odia wiki now. Initially Subhasish and I used to meet at my home and work on the basic things for Odia wiki. I remember us working on the Odia wikipedia logo, FAQ booklet, Translate wiki, and so on. Soon Odia got more members to the team through the few Odia wiki workshops happened at Bangalore. Along with workshops, Odia wikipedians translated the FAQ booklet to Odia and took efforts to integrate the Odia typing solution to Odia wikipedia. Later with the support of Dhanada Mishra (the chairman of Human Development Foundation (http://www.hdf.org.in/)) and a young student Odia wikipedian Srikanth Kedia a wiki workshop is conducted at Bhubaneshwar. Odia wikipedians from Bangalore are doing an excellent job and now many of them are participating in Wikimedia India chapter activities also. Odia wiki community is effectively making use of various social networking sites to reach out to Odia speakers. Odia wiki project picked up not because Odia has got huge speaker base, high literacy among Odia speakers, access to computers, or any thing else; it become active only because it has receieved the right volunteers who have passion and vision of developing a wikipedia in their mother language. We need similar volunteers for each Indic language wikipedia. Requesting you to place your comments on the talk pagehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 . Regards Shiju ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- * ସୁ ଭା ସି ସ ପା ଣି ଗା ହି ** S u b h a s i s a P a n i g a h i ** ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ ___ Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Let's applaud the India Hackathon
Hi, Thanks Kul for the update. I am glad to see the achievments. Congratulations to all the participants. I too wanted to join but could not because it was done in parallel with separate registration process. Hope we can improve next time so that you have real Wikipedians user perspective as well. Cheers Arjun On Nov 30, 2011 3:45 AM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Crosspost to the Wikimedia India Mailing list. --Kul - We recently completed a Hackathon in India where the themes were: * localization * mobile * offline In summary, over one weekend more than 50 volunteers from many parts of India added their hard work and insights to the technical foundation of Wikipedia. In the mobile area alone, volunteers contributed to 17 features, as listed here (features that were worked on are marked with an H): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/features#India_Hackathon We also got support and input from most of the major mobile operators in India about how to make our user experience better. Free access to Wikipedia is moving forward on a number of fronts, as we identified several forms of collaboration, not just in the form of Wikipedia Zero. For example, there seems to be widespread interest in using an RSS feed of the Article of the Day, and the top 5 languages in India are important. This was our first hackathon in India and all in all, it was a resounding success. For those of you who were at the event, many thanks and congratulations for your achievements in such a short period of time! We certainly hope you continue to stay involved and continue to contribute. IRC is a good way for developers to stay in touch. Join wikimedia-mobile on irc.freenode.net. Regards, Phil -- Phil Inje Chang Product Manager, Mobile Wikimedia Foundation 415-812-0854 m 415-882-7982 x 6810 ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Kul Wadhwa Wikimedia Foundation +1-415-839-6885 ext. 6603 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Quick Mumbai hackathon followup
For completeness, a copy of the message I just sent to the Wikimedia developers' email list, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l . Original Message Subject: Quick Mumbai hackathon followup Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:28:41 -0500 From: Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org Organization: Wikimedia Foundation To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Earlier this month, Wikimedia staff and volunteers got together in Mumbai, India to work on mobile, offline, and internationalisation/localisation. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011 Photos are up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victorgrigas#Hackathon_Mumbai_2011 Some notes on our outcomes, which included many new localisations for Kiwix and new input methods for MediaWiki, readying Narayam for Wikimedia Incubator, a prototype onscreen keyboard built in Narayam, Wikimedia Mobile ready for translation, new UI prototypes for language selection, and more: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011/Schedule_notes#Day_1_outcomes And I haven't even touched on mobile! An update specifically on mobile progress at the hackathon: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2011-November/005200.html -- Summary from Phil Chang: In summary, over one weekend more than 50 volunteers from many parts of India added their hard work and insights to the technical foundation of Wikipedia. In the mobile area alone, volunteers contributed to 17 features, as listed here (features that were worked on are marked with an H): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/features#India_Hackathon We also got support and input from most of the major mobile operators in India about how to make our user experience better. Free access to Wikipedia is moving forward on a number of fronts, as we identified several forms of collaboration, not just in the form of Wikipedia Zero. For example, there seems to be widespread interest in using an RSS feed of the Article of the Day, and the top 5 languages in India are important. I'm asking Emmanuel to send an offline-related summary to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l . And I'm predicting the localization folks will have a summary in their next showcase; watch https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n . This was the largest Wikimedia tech outreach event I've been a part of, with 80 or so new folks learning and becoming contributors. Thanks to the Wikimedia staffers who came, for -- as Alolita put it -- leading project teams to do some nice development, UI design, testing and accomplishing a lot in a short blip of time. Thanks to the local community and chapter for putting on Wiki Conference India, which happened at the same time: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011 Sorry to be brief; more details are at the links provided. I know that the i18n team also led a translation sprint and an intro to MediaWiki hacking in Pune after the Mumbai hackathon, but I'll leave it to them in case they want to report about that. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
I agree with Pradeep - there are already too many lists, the last thing we need is to follow another for WP:India. Why cant we just continue on wikimediaindia-I? From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:18:30 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia. My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regardsSubha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. RegardsTinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.com wrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:IN for these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive.
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
Please create a separate list wikiproject-india-en for English Wikipedia related discussions. Thanks On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with Pradeep - there are already too many lists, the last thing we need is to follow another for WP:India. Why cant we just continue on wikimediaindia-I? -- From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:18:30 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia. My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own.
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
I'd like to share my perspectives based on conversations with a wide range of wikipedians. To that extent, this is not a scientific summary - but more of anecdotal evidence. Some Indic language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimediaindia-l because too much is taken up by English language wikipedia and that it is aggressive in tone (and will say this is a fallout of the tone on en-wp.) Conversely, some English language wikimedians say they don't follow/like wikimedia-l because too much of it is taken up by Indic language discussions (which are not relevant to them, and are about really tiny projects.) There are a few wikimedians who are active in their local language projects as well as English and they subscribe to both wikimediaindia-l and their local language list. In my view, communities tend to build around projects and to that extent, local language mailing lists are of great importance. I agree with Ashwin and TInu that English should also be regarded as a language project - and therefore I suggest that there is an exclusive mailing list for English as well (though I don't have a point of view on what it should be called.) also, WT:IT is a relatively quiet page and WP:IND is (relatively) more active - but still doesn't cover the breadth of discussions that happen on mailing lists. I continue to see the relevance of wikimediaindia-l as a forum for sharing and gaining thoughts, experiences, etc. - related to Indic language projects. The one way that these communities and projects will expand will be if there is cross-pollination of ideas. I hear Pradeep and Pranav's points on too many mailing lists - and I don't know how one can effectively answer that question. Maybe if we are more disciplined on what goes on what list, it will make it easier for readers to manage the volumes? hisham On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:18 AM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with Pradeep - there are already too many lists, the last thing we need is to follow another for WP:India. Why cant we just continue on wikimediaindia-I? +1 We should wait for significantly more traffic on discussions around India-related articles on the English Wikipedia before considering the creation of a new mailing list. anirudh -- From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:18:30 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia. My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
+1 to what Tinu said. Regards On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with Pradeep - there are already too many lists, the last thing we need is to follow another for WP:India. Why cant we just continue on wikimediaindia-I? +1 We should wait for significantly more traffic on discussions around India-related articles on the English Wikipedia before considering the creation of a new mailing list. anirudh -- From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:18:30 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia. My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia.
+1 to Tinu, If more traffic starts hitting the list regarding en wiki articles (like yesterday), a separate list is an absolute must. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Srikeit srik...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to what Tinu said. Regards On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with Pradeep - there are already too many lists, the last thing we need is to follow another for WP:India. Why cant we just continue on wikimediaindia-I? +1 We should wait for significantly more traffic on discussions around India-related articles on the English Wikipedia before considering the creation of a new mailing list. anirudh -- From: tinucher...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:18:30 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Creation of mailing list for co-ordination of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia. My first preference goes for something on the lines of wikimedia-in-eng , basically a list for the Indian Wikipedian community contributing to en.wiki and other English Wikimedia projects. wikiproject-india-en was in case there is much opposition to oh , we already have a English Wikipedia list :) Either of the name, I am personally ok, the purpose remains the same :D -Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, my stand has been that the union set of english Wikipedians in India with WikiProject India article space also forms another genuine indic language community - especially since English is the secondary official language of our nation. In that case. the community must have a list of its own. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: IMO wikiproject-india-en speaks for itself and would be good. regards Subha On 30 November 2011 05:50, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: While wikimediaindia-l is the main mailing list of Wikimedia Community in India, a larger discussion of English Wikipedia/ns in India or WikiProject India on en.wiki is out of scope on wikimediaindia-l and its subscribers. While most of the Indian language Wikipedia have their separate mailing lists, co-ordination collaboration among the Indian Wikimedians contributing to English Wikipedia has become the most difficult. English Wikipedia mailing list wikien-l is too boarder scope of discussing them. I am aware that we have too many lists, but it is expected as the community grows in size and creation of separate lists is justified as long as we have enough activity on/around it. I am of the opinion that India-related content and community of Indian Wikipedians on English Wikipedia is as equally important to grow as Indic language Wikipedias. In this context, I would propose the creation of a wikimedia-in-eng or wikiproject-india-en mailing list. Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia's participation in Google Summer of Code
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 01:53, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I managed MediaWiki's participation in Google Summer of Code this year, and could talk with anyone interested in participating, anyone researching it, and anyone who is curious. :-) We try to document our participation on mediawiki.org wiki pages. Thanks Sumana for posting the summary voluntarily, was good to read them. At the risk of sounding foolish comparing content creation and software development, I have few questions. Feel free to ignore them if they are foolish ones :) 1. Do students come up with own project proposals / take up community's ideas and work on them. Whats the level of motivation / ownership between the two. I am asking this just to compare GEP's model of asking students to write on designated topics and if it has an impact on motivation. 2. What factors do you think make students to continue contributing to the opensource community? 3. How crucial is the role of mentors in it. Who are the mentors usually(WMF staff / community members?), how do they join as mentors?. I am asking this particularly since I see mentors' involvement among reasons for failure. You need not restrict to mediawiki as org, can you share your experiences from opensource world too. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA
Aswin, true, I don't have it on my talk page, but most India editors do stumble across the page every few weeks. We all used to, back in 2009. -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed in principle with Pradeep, but let some talk of content take place here. I'm sure the majority of wikimedia-l readers do not have WT:IN on their watchlist. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the list should be used more as a helpful pointer and as much discussion as possible should be done on Wikipedia itself. I think there are more lists than Wikipedians can handle and more time is spent on the lists than on editing Wikipedia, which is what we're primarily here for. +1. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 -- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:14:00 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [[Brian Horrocks]] not an Indian FA I agree more with Swaroop, but since the English wikipedia is picking itself up and dusting itself again, we may want one. --Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote: Good idea, but then, shouldn't we be using WT:INhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk%3aINfor these? :) Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 21:47, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: I think what Srikanth meant is, creating a separate mailing list for English wikipedians from India to discuss their topics of interest. I too think that is a good idea. Shiju On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Is that what you mean, Srikanth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Recognized_content I was also not aware till Pranav dhowed me the link today. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Ashwin, I think the Indian English community needs a list of it's own. Re, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I found TinuCherianBot had mistakenly made Brian Horrocks, a British Army general unconnected with India except for his birth, as part of WikiProject India, a false positive. Sorry guys, he has nothing to do with us. We are now down another FA. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
Hi Ashwin! Please don't use the word fiasco, yes we had seen some setbacks but it's not a complete failure. It's really demotivating for the people who were a part of IEP (me included). Thanks, Ram On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Often, it helps to have an outsider perspective. We in the Pune community met Torey to day and are of the opinion that the Foundation wants someone from their side to provide an impartial outsider's view and also to explore ways ahead in addition to finding out whats going on and what had happened. Obviously, her assignment is just one of a number of initiatives that are underway to improve/get feedback regarding the IEP fiasco. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi all, Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory Read. Best, Barry On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting the evaluative study? As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was the research project. And even that had nothing to do with the Education program directly. Is there a reason why she's leading the study? It seems like the same pattern of avoiding knowledgeable and experienced members of the community to focus on the outside perspective. I thought the only lesson that the team did take away was, you can't do in India what the global education team and Frank did in the US. They don't scale and you need local solutions. I'm pretty sure Ms. Read is a competent researcher and would do a good job but I don't see how Ms. Read's expertise or exposure to India and the Education program would make this process any different from the pattern that brought IEP here. Talking to the staff in SF, or spending a day in Delhi or Pune is not going to give a clear picture at all. Tory is indeed a competent researcher who built a solid understanding of the community and how things work in Wikimedia during her engagement with us in the India Chronicles. I selected her for this assignment because she has a good working knowledge of our general situation from her work on the India Chronicles, she has the skills to interview a good cross-section of those involved (WP editors, students, profs, Campus Ambassadors, online ambassadors, staff, others), she can look at the issue with fresh eyes and help synthesize learning and recommendations for changes, she will get this done in a timely fashion while memories are still fresh (which is really important). She is doing a combination of Skype, email and in-person interviews...and is in Pune this week actually. I'm confident that her work will be valuable to all of us and it will be shared in its entirety with the community. It won't be the only work on this. Both the India team and the Global Education Program team are committed to doing more joint problem-solving on future changes to the program with those interested in engaging with us. Hi Barry, My understanding is that conducting an evaluative study requires a deep comprehension of our projects and the volunteers. At the same time, an exercise like this demands objectivity while analyzing empirical evidence. By building a repertoire of anecdotal evidence through a series of interviews mostly conducted over phone/VoIP, I do not see how this report will inform us beyond what discussions on this mailing list already have. Tory Read is an accomplished story-teller, but she is not a Wikipedian. Can we simply not have WMF staff in New Delhi handle the interviews and requests for comment? (They should also seek help from some of the established Wikipedia editors.) The reason why I am stressing on this is because I think that an established Wikipedia editor would be better-placed to objectively analyze what worked and what did not work, and how this program may be improved. Such editors need not be Indian, they can be a group of Wikipedians who were directly or peripherally involved on Wikipedia when the IEP program was being executed. Best, anirudh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Let's applaud the India Hackathon
Hi Arjuna, We were really happy with the turnout and super excited that there was so much interest from the dev community in India. We definitely want to find ways to support and grow the community and do it again in the near future, working hand-in-hand with the local Wikipedians on this. Yes, it was the first one we did in India (and we kind of put it together at the last minute) there's always room for improvement! Also, if anybody is particular interested in mobile please contribute to the meta page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects and more info on research, as it particularly applies to India can be found here (there is a link from the mobile project page from meta): http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile/Research or if you don't know where to go with your feedback or ideas you can start here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mobile_Projects Cheers, Kul On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Arjuna Rao Chavala arjunar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks Kul for the update. I am glad to see the achievments. Congratulations to all the participants. I too wanted to join but could not because it was done in parallel with separate registration process. Hope we can improve next time so that you have real Wikipedians user perspective as well. Cheers Arjun On Nov 30, 2011 3:45 AM, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote: Crosspost to the Wikimedia India Mailing list. --Kul - We recently completed a Hackathon in India where the themes were: * localization * mobile * offline In summary, over one weekend more than 50 volunteers from many parts of India added their hard work and insights to the technical foundation of Wikipedia. In the mobile area alone, volunteers contributed to 17 features, as listed here (features that were worked on are marked with an H): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/features#India_Hackathon We also got support and input from most of the major mobile operators in India about how to make our user experience better. Free access to Wikipedia is moving forward on a number of fronts, as we identified several forms of collaboration, not just in the form of Wikipedia Zero. For example, there seems to be widespread interest in using an RSS feed of the Article of the Day, and the top 5 languages in India are important. This was our first hackathon in India and all in all, it was a resounding success. For those of you who were at the event, many thanks and congratulations for your achievements in such a short period of time! We certainly hope you continue to stay involved and continue to contribute. IRC is a good way for developers to stay in touch. Join wikimedia-mobile on irc.freenode.net. Regards, Phil -- Phil Inje Chang Product Manager, Mobile Wikimedia Foundation 415-812-0854 m 415-882-7982 x 6810 ___ Mobile-l mailing list mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l -- Kul Wadhwa Wikimedia Foundation +1-415-839-6885 ext. 6603 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Kul Wadhwa Wikimedia Foundation +1-415-839-6885 ext. 6603 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
