Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting the languages of India

[Ravishankar]

Srikanth,

Thanks for the correction.

Take away point: Huge majority of the Indians are not illiterate in their
mother languages. This statistical information should not be overlooked
based on personal experiences.

Ravi

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Err.. Ravi, correction.
> In ISCE and ISC systems, people study a second language for only 8 years
> minimum, unless the school chooses to have it in 1st and 2nd.
> I personally opted to study Hindi as a second one [NOT in TN] for 10yrs in
> ISCE.
> In ISC, only English is compulsory, same for CBSE in the +1 and +2 stages.
> ONLY State Boards, across the country make it mandatory for a second
> language for all 12yrs.
> Regards,
>
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Nepali

[Shiju Alex]

Dear All,

Today I am sharing the experience of the Nepali Wiki community.

As part of my discussion with Indic language Wikipedians I spoke with
Nepali wikipedians also (Rajesh pandey, Bhawani Gautham, and Saroj Dhakal).
You know all of them since they are active in India list also. Please read
their experiences with the Nepali Wiki projects here.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Nepali/Discussions/2011


Nepali with more than 16 million speakers world wide, has more than 3
million speakers in India. Nepali is one of the 22 scheduled languages of
india. The speakers of Nepali are distributed across India, even though a
more concentration of speakers of Nepali language is in North Eastern
India.

>From the English Wikipedia article about Nepali  language:

In India, there are a large number of Nepali-speaking people. There are an
estimated 500,000 Nepali speakers in Sikkim (where Nepali is the official
state language.) In Darjeeling and Jalpaiguri districts of West Bengal,
there are about 1,400,000 Nepali speakers. In North-East India (states of
Assam, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Mizoram and Arunachal
Pradesh), there are several million Nepali speakers. A considerable number
of Nepali-speaking people are also present in many Indian cities such as
Kolkata, Delhi, Bangalore, Visakhapatnam, Chennai, Mumbai and Hyderabad.


At the recently concluded WikiConference a Nepali Wikipedian, Saroj Dhakal,
gave us a wonderful overview of Nepali Wikiprojects. I just noticed that
most of the active contributors of Nepali wikipedia are staying in India.

Kindly read the experience of Nepali Wikipedians at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Nepali/Discussions/2011


Inviting your comments on the talk page.

Shiju
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[sankarshan]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Jessie Wild  wrote:

> For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic
> version available for mass-distribution. But while the full,
> all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop, there are
> bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least pushing
> some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography" first, we
> could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and ready to go
> by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there - something
> to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space on the Aakash
> tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited content package
> is actually fine, in many ways.

The version of Android available on the tablet could be a hindrance to
display/render/input of Indic.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[sankarshan]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Pradeep Mohandas
 wrote:

> I also think we should take the benefit of the lessons learnt by other NGOs
> in the country who've done stuff like this. Someone suggested OLPC folks. We
> might be interested in approaching such folks as well.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Android] Picture of the Day Wallpaper

[Jessie Wild]

I forwarded this to the mobile-l.


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heya all,
> I was searching the Android Market, when I stumbled upon this app:
>
> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.practicalapps.android.wallpaper.wikimedia
> **
>


> *All images are credited to NASA (NASA.gov)*
> That last line worries me a bit. Are all photos credited to NASA,
> irrespective of who uploaded it?
> OR
> Are all photos of the Day by NASA, thereby giving others no chance for a
> front page visit?
>

I think they mixed up the credits on this app and their NASA app: "Image
credit on the Picture of the Day webpage. Image updates are subject to the
availability of the Wikimedia Commons' Image of the Day RSS feed and
associated images."
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.practicalapps.android.wallpaper.nasa

I went ahead and emailed the address on the developer's website to ask for
the correction. Good catch, Srikanth!

Jessie

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Jessie Wild]

Hey Everyone!

I am so excited about the content of this email chain! There have been huge
advances in the offline work for India of late.

Quick background: I know many of you know, and Hisham mentioned it earlier,
but I am involved with the offline WIkipedia projects around the world for
WMF, so I have an ok idea about what options are available and who uses our
information (like OLPC or SOS Children's Village or Camara).

For this work, I think it's _imperative_ to get a high-quality, Indic
version available for mass-distribution. But while the full,
all-encompassing offline version might take 6-7 months to develop, there
are bite-sized pieces we can concretely work on so we can start at least
pushing some information out. For example, if we focus on "Geography"
first, we could perhaps get a really good "Geography" package set-up and
ready to go by the next pilot, in order to at least get a package out there
- something to have a presence within the distributions. The storage space
on the Aakash tablet and other low-cost devices is minimal, so a limited
content package is actually fine, in many ways.

In the meantime, we can be working on more and more additions, which could
be distributed in-mass as time unfolds. Then people could basically have a
"library" of content available for their perusal.

Thoughts on this? It helps prevent a complete gap in time for our
execution: we have an AWESOME encyclopedia already available (that's why we
have almost 500M people reading it every month!), and it would be really
sad, I think, to sit on such a resource! One good place to start in terms
of identifying content is to leverage the list of articles use for
the Malayalam Offline edition - that probably would get us a good step of
the way there in terms of which articles are India-relevant and worthy of
inclusion.

I have a lot more I can say about this, but will stop myself here for now :)
Jessie

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 20:17, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such
>> folks as well.
>>
>
>
> I imagine this is happening too. I saw an OLPC being demoed at the
> WikiConference (by Harriet Vidyasagar, I think?).
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia's participation in Google Summer of Code

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 00:04, Jessie Wild  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this link, Yuvi! As someone completely unfamiliar with
> the topic, I am wondering if you all consider the issues discussed in that
> paper still an accurate depiction of the state in education in 2011.


Fewer things have changed from 2007 to now.

1. Internet penetration has increased, atleast lot many people have
broadband now, but still things have to improve.
2. Facebook. (the timepass/"hanging out" the author mentions happens online
now.)
3. GNU/Linux or open source are not completely new terms for atleast city
students, most of them would have heard, many more students *use*
opensource (be it ubuntu / android etc), but collaboration / contribution
still needs awareness.
4. The number of rock stars like Yuvi at college level who are aware of the
outside world, has increased. But proportionately they are still like
Wikipedia editors : Wikipedia readers.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia's participation in Google Summer of Code

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

The paper says it so well !!
+1000 to that !!!

I have been doing FOSS promotion for about 11 years now
(www.plug.org.in) and faced same issues all the time. Except that they
now know there is something called Linux and open source, nothing much
has changed in all these years.

You can at least teach to the students and may be they can accept a
few things, but teaching FOSS (or anything for that matter) to
teachers is a nightmare. You can get about 1-2 % teachers max. from
whom you can get some positive response.

Well, I can go on and on and on  on this topic.

-Sudhanwa


On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Jessie Wild  wrote:
> Thanks for sharing this link, Yuvi! As someone completely unfamiliar with
> the topic, I am wondering if you all consider the issues discussed in that
> paper still an accurate depiction of the state in education in 2011.
>
> Thanks!
> Jessie
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Yuvi Panda  wrote:
>>
>> Not specific to MediaWiki or GSoC, but this document[1] by Shakti
>> Kannan explains a lot about the common issues you'll face if you're
>> doing Open Source advocacy in Indian colleges.
>>
>> [1]:
>> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-floss-advocacy
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia's participation in Google Summer of Code

[Jessie Wild]

Thanks for sharing this link, Yuvi! As someone completely unfamiliar with
the topic, I am wondering if you all consider the issues discussed in that
paper still an accurate depiction of the state in education in 2011.

Thanks!
Jessie

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Yuvi Panda  wrote:

> Not specific to MediaWiki or GSoC, but this document[1] by Shakti
> Kannan explains a lot about the common issues you'll face if you're
> doing Open Source advocacy in Indian colleges.
>
> [1]:
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-floss-advocacy
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia's participation in Google Summer of Code

[Yuvi Panda]

Not specific to MediaWiki or GSoC, but this document[1] by Shakti
Kannan explains a lot about the common issues you'll face if you're
doing Open Source advocacy in Indian colleges.

[1]: 
http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads.html#shakthimaan-indian-challenge-of-floss-advocacy


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought

[Ashwin Baindur]

Ask thy Uncle Ashwin and thou shalt receive -

http://www.archive.org/stream/minutesproceedi13unkngoog#page/n151/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/stream/minutesproceedi13unkngoog#page/n175/mode/2up

Thou shall have no false paywall Gods, only one true God ie archive.org

Enjoy all those diagrams now in public domain.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Bala Jeyaraman  wrote:

> check with resource request project . there might be someone who has
> access to them
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Resource_request
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  hi,
>>
>> A few of the interesting articles written about the Dam were by Major
>> (later Colonel) John Pennycuick, considered the "Chief Engineer" of the
>> Dam. He wrote about his for the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1897. The
>> edition can be found here.[1] The edition contains chapters on the
>> "Diversion of the Periyar" and "The Periyar Tunnel" followed by discussion
>> and correspondences on the same. I really wish we did more stuff like this
>> in 2011, but that is a different discussion.
>>
>> Interestingly, these articles - dated to 1897 (!!!) are pay-walled. Each
>> of the article I mentioned above costs GBP 18!
>>
>> Help is needed on trying to get these articles so that they can inform
>> the Wikipedia article now under Collaboration of the Month. I am hoping to
>> write to the UK Wikimedia Chapter and the Institution of Civil Engineers,
>> UK to see if copies of these can be obtained. Does anyone on-list see any
>> possibility of getting a copy otherwise?
>>
>> warm regards,
>> User:Prad2609
>>
>> [1] - http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/content/issue/imotp/128/1897
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought

[Bala Jeyaraman]

check with resource request project . there might be someone who has access
to them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Resource_request

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  hi,
>
> A few of the interesting articles written about the Dam were by Major
> (later Colonel) John Pennycuick, considered the "Chief Engineer" of the
> Dam. He wrote about his for the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1897. The
> edition can be found here.[1] The edition contains chapters on the
> "Diversion of the Periyar" and "The Periyar Tunnel" followed by discussion
> and correspondences on the same. I really wish we did more stuff like this
> in 2011, but that is a different discussion.
>
> Interestingly, these articles - dated to 1897 (!!!) are pay-walled. Each
> of the article I mentioned above costs GBP 18!
>
> Help is needed on trying to get these articles so that they can inform the
> Wikipedia article now under Collaboration of the Month. I am hoping to
> write to the UK Wikimedia Chapter and the Institution of Civil Engineers,
> UK to see if copies of these can be obtained. Does anyone on-list see any
> possibility of getting a copy otherwise?
>
> warm regards,
> User:Prad2609
>
> [1] - http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/content/issue/imotp/128/1897
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought

[Pradeep Mohandas]

hi,

A few of the interesting articles written about the Dam were by Major (later 
Colonel) John Pennycuick, considered the "Chief Engineer" of the Dam. He wrote 
about his for the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1897. The edition can be 
found here.[1] The edition contains chapters on the "Diversion of the Periyar" 
and "The Periyar Tunnel" followed by discussion and correspondences on the 
same. I really wish we did more stuff like this in 2011, but that is a 
different discussion.

Interestingly, these articles - dated to 1897 (!!!) are pay-walled. Each of the 
article I mentioned above costs GBP 18! 

Help is needed on trying to get these articles so that they can inform the 
Wikipedia article now under Collaboration of the Month. I am hoping to write to 
the UK Wikimedia Chapter and the Institution of Civil Engineers, UK to see if 
copies of these can be obtained. Does anyone on-list see any possibility of 
getting a copy otherwise?

warm regards,
User:Prad2609

[1] - http://www.icevirtuallibrary.com/content/issue/imotp/128/1897
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] More help required from Mallu Wikipedians #2

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Please do help us in getting pictures.
It will be very very useful in presentations on folk culture.
: )
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Arjun Mangol Kanoth
wrote:

> Well, Mallu aint derogatory, its cute, I'm one myself :D, I'll try getting
> 'em pics :)
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Aswin,
>> I was about to notify you on that matter.
>> However, I think you should send across this mail to the Malayalam
>> mailing list.
>> --
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I deeply apologise to my Malayali friends. I am told the word Mallu is
>>> derogatory, which I did not realise before.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur >> > wrote:
>>>
 Dear friends,

 Cross-wiki content coordination. These are Malayalam CD articles & we
 need their equivalents on English Wikipedia.

 1, Please create english stub articles for these missing articles on
 English Wikipedia -

 * കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം
 * തോൽപ്പാവക്കൂത്ത്

 2. Please get images for the following art forms - not a single one is
 there on Commons.

 *
 കൂത്തമ്പലം
 Koothambalam * 
 പൂരക്കളി
 Poorakkali 
 * 
 കണ്യാർകളി
 Kanyarkali 
 * 
 കോതാമ്മൂരിയാട്ടം
 Kothammuriyattam 
 *കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം (Puppetry)

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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 On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November
> 2009.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>


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>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] More help required from Mallu Wikipedians #2

[Arjun Mangol Kanoth]

Well, Mallu aint derogatory, its cute, I'm one myself :D, I'll try getting
'em pics :)

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aswin,
> I was about to notify you on that matter.
> However, I think you should send across this mail to the Malayalam mailing
> list.
> --
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> I deeply apologise to my Malayali friends. I am told the word Mallu is
>> derogatory, which I did not realise before.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> Cross-wiki content coordination. These are Malayalam CD articles & we
>>> need their equivalents on English Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> 1, Please create english stub articles for these missing articles on
>>> English Wikipedia -
>>>
>>> * കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം
>>> * തോൽപ്പാവക്കൂത്ത്
>>>
>>> 2. Please get images for the following art forms - not a single one is
>>> there on Commons.
>>>
>>> *
>>> കൂത്തമ്പലം
>>> Koothambalam * 
>>> പൂരക്കളി
>>> Poorakkali 
>>> * 
>>> കണ്യാർകളി
>>> Kanyarkali 
>>> * 
>>> കോതാമ്മൂരിയാട്ടം
>>> Kothammuriyattam 
>>> *കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം (Puppetry)
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur >> > wrote:
>>>
 Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November
 2009.

 Warm regards,

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 20:17, Pradeep Mohandas  wrote:

>
> Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such
> folks as well.
>


I imagine this is happening too. I saw an OLPC being demoed at the
WikiConference (by Harriet Vidyasagar, I think?).
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hi,

Since this is going to happen for the first time, I agree with Srikanth L, that 
it is best to give ourselves a few months. I think this will also give 
sufficient time for the technologies to be tested out. 

I also think we should take the benefit of the lessons learnt by other NGOs in 
the country who've done stuff like this. Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might 
be interested in approaching such folks as well. 

User:Prad2609

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:19:58 +0530
From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

I concur heartily. There are no quick fixes. First of all we need topic lists. 
We need to decide a balanced 500 topic list for India comprising primarily 
India articles. This will be the base of any Offline effort.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 wrote:

I agree with you.
60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and working to 
bring out such articles.--

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan  wrote:

Hi all,

Just a word of caution here. 
Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into Kiwix, 
must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be of decent 
quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We must also 
check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of reviewing on the 
content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check, language quality also 
matters. Just sharing some points we considered to bring a quality offline 
version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content copyediting work that such 
an offline project requires. I am sure WikiProject:India on enwp has no more 
volunteers than any Indic wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I 
seriously don't think we can do justice for something like this in 60 days.




Regards,Srikanth L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia and marketing

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Also,
To all those who want to know how we deal with Marketing on English:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Phantomsteve#Deletion_of_CouponCabin


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Heya all,
> My friend who works as a Social Media analyst, sent this to me:
> http://socialfresh.com/why-wikipedia-needs-marketers/
> An exerpt:
>
> The volume of content is growing, but the active contributors to maintain,
> update and police those articles is shrinking. As this trend continues,
> vandalism, bias, outdated information and blatant factual errors will run
> even more rampant.
>
> Marketers are the most motivated to maintain Wikis on subjects important
> to them and invest the time in providing quality, well-verified content. We
> can fill this gap* if we can learn to support Wikipedia’s encyclopedic
> goals and follow the rules*.
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Ashwin Baindur]

I concur heartily. There are no quick fixes. First of all we need topic
lists. We need to decide a balanced 500 topic list for India comprising
primarily India articles. This will be the base of any Offline effort.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with you.
> 60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and
> working to bring out such articles.
> --
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a word of caution here.
>>
>> Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into
>> Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be
>> of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We
>> must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of
>> reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check,
>> language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to
>> bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content
>> copyediting work that such an offline project requires. *I am sure
>> WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic
>> wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can
>> do justice for something like this in 60 days*.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

I agree with you.
60 days is too less. It would take atleast 6-7 months of editing and
working to bring out such articles.
--

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a word of caution here.
>
> Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into
> Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be
> of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We
> must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of
> reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check,
> language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to
> bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content
> copyediting work that such an offline project requires. *I am sure
> WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic
> wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can
> do justice for something like this in 60 days*.
>
> Regards,
> Srikanth L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] More help required from Mallu Wikipedians #2

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Aswin,
I was about to notify you on that matter.
However, I think you should send across this mail to the Malayalam mailing
list.
--

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> I deeply apologise to my Malayali friends. I am told the word Mallu is
> derogatory, which I did not realise before.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> Cross-wiki content coordination. These are Malayalam CD articles & we
>> need their equivalents on English Wikipedia.
>>
>> 1, Please create english stub articles for these missing articles on
>> English Wikipedia -
>>
>> * കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം
>> * തോൽപ്പാവക്കൂത്ത്
>>
>> 2. Please get images for the following art forms - not a single one is
>> there on Commons.
>>
>> *
>> കൂത്തമ്പലം
>> Koothambalam * 
>> പൂരക്കളി
>> Poorakkali 
>> * 
>> കണ്യാർകളി
>> Kanyarkali 
>> * 
>> കോതാമ്മൂരിയാട്ടം
>> Kothammuriyattam 
>> *കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം (Puppetry)
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November
>>> 2009.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting the languages of India

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Err.. Ravi, correction.
In ISCE and ISC systems, people study a second language for only 8 years
minimum, unless the school chooses to have it in 1st and 2nd.
I personally opted to study Hindi as a second one [NOT in TN] for 10yrs in
ISCE.
In ISC, only English is compulsory, same for CBSE in the +1 and +2 stages.
ONLY State Boards, across the country make it mandatory for a second
language for all 12yrs.
Regards,


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> What many of us are sharing here are personal experiences, anecdotes from
> one section of the community pyramid that Gerard mentioned. This can only
> lead to inaccurate inferences about Indic languages. So, let's do some
> objective analysis:
>
> Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India , India's
> literacy rate is 74.04% in 2011.
>
> As I have no practical experience of education systems in other states,
> let me take the example of Tamilnadu which has a literacy rate of 80.3%.
> The 19.7% illiteracy rate is a social issue and let's ignore it for this
> analysis. This example can very well be related with other states and India
> as a whole.
>
> Tamilnadu had three educations systems mainly:
>
> * *State board ( Majority of the students are enrolled in this and most
> pursue education through Tamil as a medium of instruction*. *Even for
> English medium students, learning Tamil as a language is mandatory for 10+2
> years* ). Most of the government schools and government aided schools
> fall under this category. You can refer
> www.ssa.tn.nic.in/Docu/GenEduStat.pdf for the number of schools in
> Tamilnadu operating under government, government aid and private sector.
> Except for few cities, government schools are the majority.
>
> * Matriculation, ICSE and other boards ( Medium of instruction is English
> but most study Tamil as a language for 10+2 years). From this year, this
> system is abolished and merged with state board's uniform syllabus.
>
> * CBSE - Only a minority of schools are in this system. Medium of
> instruction is English and a good number of people do study Tamil as a
> language for 10 years.
>
> So, all these people can read, write, understand and speak Tamil and are
> functionally literate in their mother languages. Even if you assume that
> some studied other languages instead of Tamil in matriculation or CBSE
> syllabus, it is still a minority and can't exceed 10% by any means.
> *
> If you take the case of Srilanka, where Tamil is also an official
> language, 99% of the native Tamils complete their study in government
> schools with Tamil as their medium of instruction. So, they are almost 100%
> literate in their mother languages. *
>
> I am sure that similar trends and statistics can be observed for other
> Indic languages.
>
> Ashwin,
>
> Thanks for the
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svglink.
>  As you can see from the stats above, I do refute the central point
> here as it is totally wrong. Being offended by it is my personal expression
> and doesn't lack civility or make judgments about the one who posted the
> inferences. If we do not raise our concern for valid issues, India will
> continue to be seen as a country of snake charmers.
>
> Shiju,
>
> I am aware that mother language illiteracy is a raising problem in Indian
> cities. But, as Bala said it is a social problem and out of Wikimedia's
> mission. *Indic language projects are for the people and by the people
> who primarily gain and share knowledge in those languages* and their
> percentage is huge. Gaining readership / contribution from the minority
> English comfortable audience should not be a priority and it will not be
> worth the effort.
>
> The problem mentioned by many Indic language Wikipedians is a bit
> different. Since, many of the present day internet accessing Wikipedians do
> have a city / middle class / English educated background, they are at loss
> to write about different subjects in an encyclopedic quality. But, that
> doesn't mean that they are proficient in English writing either as you can
> witness from IEP. This is something to do with the quality and policy of
> higher education in our country. But, this doesn't mean by anyway that
> Indians are functionally illiterate in their own languages to the extend of
> not knowing to read and write.
>
> Gerard,
>
> Here are some scenarios:
>
> * People who know English and an Indic language well, know about Indic
> language projects and still contribute in only one language. Nothing much
> can be done to motivate them to switch the contributions. If they decide to
> do it by themselves, it is huge WIN.
>
> * People who know English and an Indic language well but do not know about
> Indic language projects. It should be our highest priority to spread
> awareness about Indic language projects to these people because they can
> bring great experience from English Wikipedia. We do have the privilege of
> having few contri

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Srikanth Lakshmanan]

Hi all,

Just a word of caution here.

Lift and ship approach will be a disaster. So any article that goes into
Kiwix, must be reviewed / tagged for legal compliance (Maps, others!), be
of decent quality and avoid controversial topics(Caste topics Hell no). We
must also check for copyvio images etc. It requires fair amount of
reviewing on the content side. When it comes to Indic, spell check,
language quality also matters. Just sharing some points we considered to
bring a quality offline version of Tamil. We were taken by scale of content
copyediting work that such an offline project requires. I am sure
WikiProject:India on enwp has no more volunteers than any Indic
wikipedia(atleast comparable to Tamil) and I seriously don't think we can
do justice for something like this in 60 days.

Regards,
Srikanth L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Merge - request for help from Mallu wikipedians on en:WP

[Ashwin Baindur]

Thank you Ansuman G!

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:51 PM, ansuman  wrote:

> Done
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November
>> 2009.
>>
>> Warm regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Merge - request for help from Mallu wikipedians on en:WP

[ansuman]

Done

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November 2009.
>
> Warm regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] More help required from Mallu Wikipedians #2

[Ashwin Baindur]

I deeply apologise to my Malayali friends. I am told the word Mallu is
derogatory, which I did not realise before.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
--


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Cross-wiki content coordination. These are Malayalam CD articles & we need
> their equivalents on English Wikipedia.
>
> 1, Please create english stub articles for these missing articles on
> English Wikipedia -
>
> * കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം
> * തോൽപ്പാവക്കൂത്ത്
>
> 2. Please get images for the following art forms - not a single one is
> there on Commons.
>
> *
> കൂത്തമ്പലം
> Koothambalam * 
> പൂരക്കളി
> Poorakkali 
> * 
> കണ്യാർകളി
> Kanyarkali 
> * 
> കോതാമ്മൂരിയാട്ടം
> Kothammuriyattam 
> *കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം (Puppetry)
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November
>> 2009.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Supporting the languages of India

[Ravishankar]

Hi All,

What many of us are sharing here are personal experiences, anecdotes from
one section of the community pyramid that Gerard mentioned. This can only
lead to inaccurate inferences about Indic languages. So, let's do some
objective analysis:

Based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India , India's literacy
rate is 74.04% in 2011.

As I have no practical experience of education systems in other states, let
me take the example of Tamilnadu which has a literacy rate of 80.3%. The
19.7% illiteracy rate is a social issue and let's ignore it for this
analysis. This example can very well be related with other states and India
as a whole.

Tamilnadu had three educations systems mainly:

* *State board ( Majority of the students are enrolled in this and most
pursue education through Tamil as a medium of instruction*. *Even for
English medium students, learning Tamil as a language is mandatory for 10+2
years* ). Most of the government schools and government aided schools fall
under this category. You can refer
www.ssa.tn.nic.in/Docu/GenEduStat.pdffor the number of schools in
Tamilnadu operating under government,
government aid and private sector. Except for few cities, government
schools are the majority.

* Matriculation, ICSE and other boards ( Medium of instruction is English
but most study Tamil as a language for 10+2 years). From this year, this
system is abolished and merged with state board's uniform syllabus.

* CBSE - Only a minority of schools are in this system. Medium of
instruction is English and a good number of people do study Tamil as a
language for 10 years.

So, all these people can read, write, understand and speak Tamil and are
functionally literate in their mother languages. Even if you assume that
some studied other languages instead of Tamil in matriculation or CBSE
syllabus, it is still a minority and can't exceed 10% by any means.
*
If you take the case of Srilanka, where Tamil is also an official language,
99% of the native Tamils complete their study in government schools with
Tamil as their medium of instruction. So, they are almost 100% literate in
their mother languages. *

I am sure that similar trends and statistics can be observed for other
Indic languages.

Ashwin,

Thanks for the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement1.svglink.
As you can see from the stats above, I do refute the central point
here as it is totally wrong. Being offended by it is my personal expression
and doesn't lack civility or make judgments about the one who posted the
inferences. If we do not raise our concern for valid issues, India will
continue to be seen as a country of snake charmers.

Shiju,

I am aware that mother language illiteracy is a raising problem in Indian
cities. But, as Bala said it is a social problem and out of Wikimedia's
mission. *Indic language projects are for the people and by the people who
primarily gain and share knowledge in those languages* and their percentage
is huge. Gaining readership / contribution from the minority English
comfortable audience should not be a priority and it will not be worth the
effort.

The problem mentioned by many Indic language Wikipedians is a bit
different. Since, many of the present day internet accessing Wikipedians do
have a city / middle class / English educated background, they are at loss
to write about different subjects in an encyclopedic quality. But, that
doesn't mean that they are proficient in English writing either as you can
witness from IEP. This is something to do with the quality and policy of
higher education in our country. But, this doesn't mean by anyway that
Indians are functionally illiterate in their own languages to the extend of
not knowing to read and write.

Gerard,

Here are some scenarios:

* People who know English and an Indic language well, know about Indic
language projects and still contribute in only one language. Nothing much
can be done to motivate them to switch the contributions. If they decide to
do it by themselves, it is huge WIN.

* People who know English and an Indic language well but do not know about
Indic language projects. It should be our highest priority to spread
awareness about Indic language projects to these people because they can
bring great experience from English Wikipedia. We do have the privilege of
having few contributors like them and their roles are phenomenal in shaping
the community.

* People who know only the Indic languages very well but do not know about
Wikipedia. It should also be our highest priority to spread awareness about
Wikipedia to these people. The moment they know that such a thing exists,
they will jump on it because people are so hungry for knowledge in their
own language. If you would like to know how we know this: We did a 3 day
long Tamil Internet workshop practically for thousands of people during a
language conference last year. People were so happy to know that they could
read, write, search in their own languages.

[Wikimediaindia-l] More help required from Mallu Wikipedians #2

[Ashwin Baindur]

Dear friends,

Cross-wiki content coordination. These are Malayalam CD articles & we need
their equivalents on English Wikipedia.

1, Please create english stub articles for these missing articles on
English Wikipedia -

* കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം
* തോൽപ്പാവക്കൂത്ത്

2. Please get images for the following art forms - not a single one is
there on Commons.

*
കൂത്തമ്പലം
Koothambalam *
പൂരക്കളി
Poorakkali 
* 
കണ്യാർകളി
Kanyarkali 
* 
കോതാമ്മൂരിയാട്ടം
Kothammuriyattam 
*കാക്കാരിശ്ശിനാടകം (Puppetry)

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
--


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November 2009.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia and marketing

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Heya all,
My friend who works as a Social Media analyst, sent this to me:
http://socialfresh.com/why-wikipedia-needs-marketers/
An exerpt:

The volume of content is growing, but the active contributors to maintain,
update and police those articles is shrinking. As this trend continues,
vandalism, bias, outdated information and blatant factual errors will run
even more rampant.

Marketers are the most motivated to maintain Wikis on subjects important to
them and invest the time in providing quality, well-verified content. We
can fill this gap* if we can learn to support Wikipedia’s encyclopedic
goals and follow the rules*.
Cheers,

-- 
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Merge - request for help from Mallu wikipedians on en:WP

[Ashwin Baindur]

Please merge [[Villu Paatu]] & [[Villuppattu]. Pending since November 2009.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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[Wikimediaindia-l] [Android] Picture of the Day Wallpaper

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Heya all,
I was searching the Android Market, when I stumbled upon this app:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.practicalapps.android.wallpaper.wikimedia
It's called Picture of the Day Wallpaper
>From the market page:

Beautiful daily photos from Wikimedia Commons scroll across your desktop.

Live Wallpaper which displays the Picture Of The Day posted by Wikimedia
Commons, an public domain media file repository
(commons.wikimedia.org
).

Each day a different glorious image from the Wikimedia Commons image
library is automatically downloaded and added to the scrolling rotation of
the last six images.

A convenient shortcut to the Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Day webpage
is provided on the initial application and preferences screens. A
preference setting is also provided to control the image scroll speed and
position of the image title.

To install this animated wallpaper, launch the application icon or
long-click on your phone's desktop, then select Wallpapers, then select
Live wallpapers.

*All images are credited to NASA (NASA.gov)*
That last line worries me a bit. Are all photos credited to NASA,
irrespective of who uploaded it?
OR
Are all photos of the Day by NASA, thereby giving others no chance for a
front page visit?


-- 
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[pavithran]

On 1 December 2011 13:53, Alolita Sharma  wrote:

> Debian based tablets are being discussed but the manufacturer indicated that
> it was at least a year+ down the line.

Wow , is it based on Maemo[1] by any chance ? Or is it one of the
smartphone[2] software they use?


1. http://maemo.org
2. http://wiki.debian.org/Smartphone


Regards,
Pavithran

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Alolita Sharma]

Santhosh,

I had spoken with one of the tablet manufacturers with Jessie. The current
Akash OS is indeed Android based so Indic language support is
poor/unavailable.

Debian based tablets are being discussed but the manufacturer indicated
that it was at least a year+ down the line.

With best regards,
Alolita

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Hisham  wrote:
> > b) Need to establish a reasonable set of acceptable quality articles in
> > Indic languages (since Akash's remit is pan-India.)
>
> AFAIK, Akash is based on android and Indic language rendering support
> is not available so far. Anybody tried indic languages in Akash?
>
> -Santhosh
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