[Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Heya, I think it is time to make a clear distinction between FOSS and Wikipedia out here. Wikipedia is NOT FOSS and FOSS is NOT Wikipedia. Only the basic ideology is the same, nothing else. Several of us, including Me, Pradeep have been victims of FOSS activism, both on the list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore. My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
Hi all, Off late the traffic to India list has gone up much more than what it was before (already a highly active list!). During the last couple of months, we moderators have got requests from members that the list is becoming pointless due to the volume of mails and quality of threads. I propose, together we all write down some list guidelines and follow them to make the list more productive. New members will be sent this guideline when they join the list. Please feel free to help out by making the list guidelines[1] (Which is a very rough draft now) [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/MailingList_Guidelines -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem -- From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
I was not attacking anyone, with reference to the link forwarded, pointing to this statement: I think that almost any argument, on any topic, which has premises beginning with Jimbo said... is a pretty weak argument. Surely the merits of the proposal should be primary, not what I happen to think. - Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:32:32 +0530 From: gau...@prathambooks.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
With due respect to Jimmy Wales, Free Knowledge may run on Free Software but doesn't need to be contributed using Free Software. I remember the time when some FOSS activists/extremists didn't like me editing Wikipedia because I use Windows and Opera, neither of which are FOSS. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
hi, My only contribution to this shall be this. I am irritated at a PoV being pushed on the list sometimes that FOSS is the best way of doing things. People who edit Wikipedia comes from various backgrounds and FOSS advocates on this list have pushed me towards Microsoft products and I've found that some of their products are better than FOSS alternatives. Eg. MS Office. The outburst above is irrational. MediaWiki is FOSS. Perhaps, some technological under-pinnings (server, bots etc) are FOSS. What makes Wikipedia, and the important content is contribution by the people. They come from various backgrounds and belief systems. Not everyone supports FOSS and I am comfortable with this. We only share a need to share our knowledge and while open stuff enables it, we're not tied down by it. I do not see the need to bring time and again, the contributions of FOSS to Wikipedia on several threads. We acknowledge their contribution, that is all they ask for when they provide the user with the software. When we took their software, we did not know that we had to follow their methodologies to implement Wikipedia as well. Pradeep User:Prad2609 Handheld On 04/01/2012, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: I was not attacking anyone, with reference to the link forwarded, pointing to this statement: I think that almost any argument, on any topic, which has premises beginning with Jimbo said... is a pretty weak argument. Surely the merits of the proposal should be primary, not what I happen to think. - Jimmy Wales Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:32:32 +0530 From: gau...@prathambooks.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia Please attack the argument on merit. Not the person articulating them. Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Jan 4, 2012 2:16 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:06:47 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:38, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: list and off the list. Wikipedia so't wholely reliant on FOSS, and will never be. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is it. Please comment. Wikipedia relies on three kinds of openness. 1. The technical openness that makes the platform possible. Mediawiki is FOSS. 2. The openness of content that makes participatory content creation possible. CC-BY-SA is one of the two definitive 'open' licenses. 3. The collaboration that is core to Wikipedia is an attribute of most FOSS projects. Wikipedia isn't FOSS but it certainly is FOS, at the very least. And it's important to remember that Wikipedia does not and cannot exist in a vacuum. So for the love of Wikipedia, can you guys please stop sniping about what is and what is not FOSS. Pointing an old relevant article by Jimmy http://jimmywales.com/2004/10/21/free-knowledge-requires-free-software-and-free-file-formats/ -- [It is not] possible to distinguish between 'numerical' and 'nonnumerical' algorithms, as if numbers were somehow different from other kinds of precise information. - Donald Knuth ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Fwd: Wikimedia India: Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad, January 2012
-- Forwarded message -- From: Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India: Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad, January 2012 To: Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com Cc: Mailing list for Wikimedians in Pune, India wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org Thanks Ashwin for your constant support and positive leadership. We were already thinking of how to not let this buzz down. We are planning something slightly more amateurish on this article list issue. Maybe something like a COTM but where we can educate new users. Keep them suggestions coming, please :) To all, I am indebted to Kartik for his poking, prodding and unfailing support throughout our event. So, whenever you do criticize/suggest things, do remember that it is *people *who make events or wikipedia work. And, people are more than just their affiliations to communities. So, let's not please be unfairly rude or critical of anybody's good efforts :) Thanks again, Noopur (PS. Photos still flowing in, any help with categorizing is appreciated) :) On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Ahmedabad 1 Wikipedians deserve an award - definitely a barnstar each. But more important, they deserve our time and support. My way of thanking you guys is to go through two guidebooks (on Google Books), some websites and some Wikipedia articles and prepare a list of 87 places of interest around Ahmedabad. You can find this list of places on English Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AshLin/Ahmedabad This will help you to place your images in Wikipedia articles easily and also indicates where there is an article and where there is not. Red Links can now be converted into stubs easily. It is possible that I have not been able to locate some already existing articles for the red links so checking once again is good practice. The list is about as complete as I could make it from those sources. Please feel free to add locations/delete them or to move the information wherever you want. Congratulations once again, Ahmedabad Photothon team. Great job done. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote: For those of you who might not be on the India mailing list, you might want to consider a similar event in Pune. I know there are some very avid and passionate photographers in your city and there's some amazing sights that can be captured. The Ahmedabad one was planned quite elaborately and it might be useful to pick their brains to figure out what can be done and how. (Key contacts would be Noopur, Anirudh, Srikeit Arnav; the last 2 are based in Pune!) Would be great if they could share tips on mobilising volunteers, training them the basics of Wikimedia Commons, organising the actual event and managing the back end (categorisation, etc.) as well as challenges they faced (typically newbie challenges around kinds of images, watermarks, copyrights, etc.) Good Luck! hisham Begin forwarded message: From: Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India: Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad, January 2012 Date: January 3, 2012 6:06:08 PM GMT+05:30 To: Wikimedia India list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Reply-To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings! This is a short update on the January edition of Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad. From where I stand, the event has been a resounding success! Over seventy-five people turned up, both old and young, this morning, which is no mean feat since it was very cold as well as a working day. Special thanks to Noopur Raval, our benevolent dictator and project mastermind, Srikeit Tadepalli, who spent time with me following the project participants prepping them and helping them figure out Wikimedia projects. Our heartfelt gratitude to Aviral Mediratta, Khayal Dave, Yash Vadiwala, Konarak Ratnakar, Smit Shah, Karthik Mistry and Chirag Solanki; our team leads and coordinators for helping everyone take beautiful pictures. Please keep an eye on our maintenance [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]], specially created for the event. 238 pictures have been uploaded so far... and we expect a lot more being uploaded by tomorrow. I will be posting a project report soon. Thank you! Sincerely, Anirudh Bhati Wikimedia India ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimedia-IN-PUN mailing list wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 15:14, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.comwrote: hi, Do any other Wikipedia lists have such guidelines which we can 'get inspired' by? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Guidelines has some related points which can be used by us too. Lets be inspiration for others :P . Frankly list needing to have guidelines mean that we haven't used it to optimal level or there are large influx of newbies on list. (Others might not need since they already use optimally / may not have too many newbies like us) -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India IRC meetup
Hi friends, We will have our IRC meetup on Jan 7, 2011, from 9:00 pm to 10:00 pm http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Internet_Relay_Chats/Jan_07,2012 We from Wikimedia India Chapter invites you all to take part in the IRC meetup. On behalf of Wikimedia Chapter (India) Thanks, Naveen Francis___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I have said what I have to, I will not be commenting on this thread any further. IMHO This subject has been debated enough on this list in the last few months, we surely have more positive stuff to discuss. From: anivar.arav...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:20:18 +0530 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Argumentum_ad_Jimbonem It was not. Instead of articulating same point again, i pointed the link. It does not matter even if it someone else's article . Please respond to it that , instead of rejecting it only because of seeing jimbo's name there Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I am not much aware about such strange rules in English wikipedia :-) Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
You do not provide only references, you write the relevant paragraph that you are referencing. We did not think that we should write that down. The originator of this thread has informed me that he has left the list. Agree with Pranav, that we have much better things to do than discuss this. If this matter is raised by other party on this list, we can tackle it there, if needed or ignore. Pradeep On 04/01/2012, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Would have been good to mention that when you posted the link. I am not much aware about such strange rules in English wikipedia :-) Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: You do not provide only references, you write the relevant paragraph that you are referencing. We did not think that we should write that down. The whole article is relevant in the context of this thread, so why replicate? Stopping my mails on this thread -- Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
I think people need to increase their tolerance level for what is not bad faith or unencyclopedic on this list. It seems that just mentioning FOSS is enough to trigger off rejoinders. See WP:IDONTLIKEIT This list exists to discuss matters related to Wikimedia community at large. Occasionally it has stuff like Indic language issues or tech issues which I do not comprehend or particularly interest me. But that is no reason for the thread not to exist. Similarly FOSS may come up like any other word in some context or the other. This whole business started because someone objected to a harmless occurrence of the word FOSS. If that person had not reacted to that harmless incidental use perhaps the thread would not have just got out of control as it has. As regards FOSS, I dont use FOSS myself but respect its use, its proponents and principles. I came to Wikipedia because I thought its principles are like FOSS and people friendly. But I don't do FOSS for mostly no reason at all and I am very comfortable with this ambiguity. If anyone doesn't like FOSS, feel completely free not to, but please don't feel free to erupt in outburst just because someone used the F-word. Paraphrasing a quote of Salman Rushdie :* Free speech means I write what I like, you read what you like, I say what I feel, you listen to what you want.* So I request that we may all simmer down a bit. If this continues then I would like to join them since I cant beat them. This I shall do by getting upset about the abhorrent word *baingan. *I dont like the taste of Brinjal and I promise to erupt in protest whenever the use of the term brinjal is used on this list, culinary or otherwise. BTW got to place an AFD on [[Brinjal]]. I am NOT joking. I'm serious, Brinjal must go! Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] FOSS and Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: So I request that we may all simmer down a bit. If this continues then I would like to join them since I cant beat them. This I shall do by getting upset about the abhorrent word *baingan. *I dont like the taste of Brinjal and I promise to erupt in protest whenever the use of the term brinjal is used on this list, culinary or otherwise. BTW got to place an AFD on [[Brinjal]]. I am NOT joking. I'm serious, Brinjal must go! +1 -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] WikiMedia 11th Anniversary + India Chapter 1st Anniversary Celebrations !
Hi All, We are Celebrating WikiMedia 11th anniversary WikiMedia India Chapter 1st Anniversary in Bangalore on 15th January ! Please forward to concerned people. All those in Bangalore, please join along with all your friends. -- Thanks Regards, A.Radha Krishna On behalf of Bangalore SIG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiMedia 11th Anniversary + India Chapter 1st Anniversary Celebrations !
For details registration, please visit http://wiki.wikimedia.in/WikiMeetups/Bangalore/Bangalore41 Best Regards, RadhaKrishna On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:29 PM, RadhaKrishna Arvapally radhakrishna.arvapa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, We are Celebrating WikiMedia 11th anniversary WikiMedia India Chapter 1st Anniversary in Bangalore on 15th January ! Please forward to concerned people. All those in Bangalore, please join along with all your friends. -- Thanks Regards, A.Radha Krishna On behalf of Bangalore SIG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India: Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad, January 2012
Gerard Meijssen blogged about Wikipedia takes Ahmedabad: http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/01/wikipedia-takes-ahmedabad.html anirudh On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops! Link to category: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ahmedabad_1 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: Greetings! This is a short update on the January edition of Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad. From where I stand, the event has been a resounding success! Over seventy-five people turned up, both old and young, this morning, which is no mean feat since it was very cold as well as a working day. Special thanks to Noopur Raval, our benevolent dictator and project mastermind, Srikeit Tadepalli, who spent time with me following the project participants prepping them and helping them figure out Wikimedia projects. Our heartfelt gratitude to Aviral Mediratta, Khayal Dave, Yash Vadiwala, Konarak Ratnakar, Smit Shah, Karthik Mistry and Chirag Solanki; our team leads and coordinators for helping everyone take beautiful pictures. Please keep an eye on our maintenance [[Category:Ahmedabad 1]], specially created for the event. 238 pictures have been uploaded so far... and we expect a lot more being uploaded by tomorrow. I will be posting a project report soon. Thank you! Sincerely, Anirudh Bhati Wikimedia India ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
Some more pointers http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l#Rules Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 15:14, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Do any other Wikipedia lists have such guidelines which we can 'get inspired' by? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Guidelines has some related points which can be used by us too. Lets be inspiration for others :P . Frankly list needing to have guidelines mean that we haven't used it to optimal level or there are large influx of newbies on list. (Others might not need since they already use optimally / may not have too many newbies like us) -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Birthday of Indic language wikipedias
Dear Indic wikipedians One of the aspects that was raised during the discussions with almost all Indic language wiki communities was the need to build existing communities, motivate existing community members, attract new community members by increasing awareness of projects and communities, and to celebrate all the possible occasions. I have a suggestion that can contribute to all of these in some manner. The suggestion is to celebrate the anniversaries of Indic language wikipedias. And as you might agree, the first edit date of a wiki is the best * anniversary* that a community can celebrate. I have collected information for the birthdays of each Indic Wikipedia. This is the day on which the first edit happened on the respective language wikipedia. (The *Indian Standard Time* is used while recording the date and time). I am listing those days below for your reference, *Indic Language wikipedia* *Birthday/Anniversary (Date of first edit)* *Number of active editors* *Assamese* http://as.wikipedia.org/ *June 02 (2002-June-02) http://as.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 10 *Nepali* http://ne.wikipedia.org/ *June 03 (2002-June-03) http://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 13 *Punjab http://pa.wikipedia.org/i* *June 03 (2002-June-03) http://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 3 *Malayalam* http://ml.wikipedia.org/ *December 21 (2002-December-21) http://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 93 *Kannada* http://kn.wikipedia.org/ *January 12 (2003-January-12) http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 20 *Bhojpuri* http://bh.wikipedia.org/ *February 21 (2003-February-21) http://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 0 *Hindi* http://hi.wikipedia.org/ *July 11 http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1 (2003-July-11) http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 55 *Kashmiri* http://ks.wikipedia.org/ *July 26 (2003-July-26) http://ks.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=5* 1 *Tamil* http://ta.wikipedia.org/ *September 30 (2003-September-30) http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=5* 85 *Marathi* http://mr.wikipedia.org/ *October 20 (2003-October-20) http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 44 *Gujarati* http://gu.wikipedia.org/ *December 09 (2003-December-09) http://gu.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 11 *Sanskrit* http://sa.wikipedia.org/ *December 21 (2003-December-21) http://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 16 *Sindhi* http://sd.wikipedia.org/ *December 26 (2003-December-26) http://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 5 *Bengali* http://bn.wikipedia.org/ *January 27 http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=6 (2004-January-27)http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=6 * 52 *Urdu* http://ur.wikipedia.org/ *January 27 (2004-January-27) http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=2* 15 *Odia (Oriya http://or.wikipedia.org/)* *January 29 (2004-January-29) http://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 10 *Telugu* http://te.wikipedia.org/ *January 29 (2004-January-29) http://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 32 *Pali* http://pi.wikipedia.org/ *July 29 (2004-July-29) http://pi.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=1* 0 *Newari* http://new.wikipedia.org/ *October 01 (2006-October-01) http://new.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=4* 1 *Bishnupriya Manipuri* http://bpy.wikipedia.org/ *October 01 (2006-October-01) http://bpy.wikipedia.org/wiki/?diff=2* 2 This list is available in meta also. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages#State_of_Indic_Language_Projects I recommend that we use these anniversary dates to do the following - Organize a small wikiconfernce or some other major event for the respective language wikipedia - Organize community meetups to celebrate this - Coincide community events around these meetups (such as outreach sessions, photo events, or launching specific WikiProjects) - Invite press to these meetups and use different platforms to spread word about respective language wikipedia. From the above table we can see that *Assamese* is the first Indic language wikipedia, and 4 Indic language wikipedias will celebrate *10th anniversary* this year (2012). :) So it is time to get prepared for the celebration. Happy Birthday Celebrations! Regards, Shiju Alex India Programs of Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 15:14, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Do any other Wikipedia lists have such guidelines which we can 'get inspired' by? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Guidelines has some related points which can be used by us too. Lets be inspiration for others :P . Frankly list needing to have guidelines mean that we haven't used it to optimal level or there are large influx of newbies on list. (Others might not need since they already use optimally / may not have too many newbies like us) This is a fairly contentious topic. Those guidelines for IRC aren't really as enforceable, it is usually the ops who decide on case-by-case basis. We have to conform to certain guidelines because of Freenode as well, the service provider, mailing lists don't have that. The guidelines are usually for list moderators. While I won't suggest a heavy handed approach to this, certain guidelines were formed years ago for lists, like a monthly soft-limit of 30 posts by a single person. They really weren't enforced. I'm all for controlling the traffic on this list Srikanth, but this is not an easy thing to do with just drafting guidelines. Regards Theo ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimedia India IRC meetup
Naveen typically I'm invited for dinner at this time not able to make it on Saturday yet again. The day/timing sucks. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi friends, We will have our IRC meetup on Jan 7, 2011, from 9:00 pm to 10:00 pm http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Internet_Relay_Chats/Jan_07,2012 We from Wikimedia India Chapter invites you all to take part in the IRC meetup. On behalf of Wikimedia Chapter (India) Thanks, Naveen Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Wikimedia Chapter, India Member's Group. To post to this group, send email to wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wmin-members+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members?hl=en?hl=en ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimedia India IRC meetup
The day/timing sucks. +1 Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi friends, We will have our IRC meetup on Jan 7, 2011, from 9:00 pm to 10:00 pm http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Internet_Relay_Chats/Jan_07,2012 We from Wikimedia India Chapter invites you all to take part in the IRC meetup. On behalf of Wikimedia Chapter (India) Thanks, Naveen Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Wikimedia Chapter, India Member's Group. To post to this group, send email to wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wmin-members+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wmin-members?hl=en?hl=en ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
I think Srikanth's list is quite an acceptable list of guidelines. A list exists for the purpose of discussion. Theoretically every Wikipedian subscribed to this list can respond to every thread and start a thread of their own everyday. Should this happen, our discussions would rise in magnitude astronomically I think. For those who feel that the list is becoming pointless due to the volume of mails and quality of threads, the option remains to voluntarily unsubscribe. Alternatively, please start an interesting and pointful thread of your own. But then I will be the lodestone to decide whether it is indeed qualititatively Any topic relevant to the broad Wikimedian community not having a list of its own can be discussed. In addition, announcements, requests to participate in polls, or issues on other lists may also be featured. What is NOT acceptable are completely offtopic issues such as those outlined in Srikath's guidelines. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
hi, I think it is broad enough in its current form to serve as a begining. Let's share it here and request comments from the list and other administrators before finalising? Pradeep User:Prad2609 On 4 January 2012 19:45, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I think Srikanth's list is quite an acceptable list of guidelines. A list exists for the purpose of discussion. Theoretically every Wikipedian subscribed to this list can respond to every thread and start a thread of their own everyday. Should this happen, our discussions would rise in magnitude astronomically I think. For those who feel that the list is becoming pointless due to the volume of mails and quality of threads, the option remains to voluntarily unsubscribe. Alternatively, please start an interesting and pointful thread of your own. But then I will be the lodestone to decide whether it is indeed qualititatively Any topic relevant to the broad Wikimedian community not having a list of its own can be discussed. In addition, announcements, requests to participate in polls, or issues on other lists may also be featured. What is NOT acceptable are completely offtopic issues such as those outlined in Srikath's guidelines. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mailing list Guidelines
Hi, Another guidelines page here: http://www.plug.org.in/mailing-list And (supposed to be) the master of them all is here: http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html I am afraid that these are from the FOSS world and with FOSS context. Take it or leave it. -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiMedia 11th Anniversary + India Chapter 1st Anniversary Celebrations !
please send a separate mail as an invitation for the event with full details like place, time, agenda. Will be useful to send to other lists in banglore. thanks. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] Report on Wikipedians participation in CMDA IT Expo, 2011- (15 to 18 Dec. 2011)
Thank you, Sudhanwa, for this detailed and inspiring report. As you say, it sounds like very good value for the time and money invested. I hope the community makes the most of this by effectively following up with those 250 interested folks. I have taken the liberty of sharing the heartwarming quotation of the child with our international colleagues on the Internal mailing list. :) Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: Ahmedabad Mirror : Amdavadis explore city through their lens
*Ahmedabad Mirror : Amdavadis explore city through their lens* http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=3contentid=2012010420120104023959405831298a3 Epaper : http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Client.asp?Daily=AMIRshowST=truelogin=defaultpub=MMEnter=trueSkin=MIRRORNEW 4Jan2012 , Page 11 http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=MIRRORNEWBaseHref=AMIR/2012/01/04PageLabel=11EntityId=Ar01100ViewMode=HTML *As many as 70 people, including 20 students, participated in the ‘Wiki Takes The City’ walk organised by Wikimedia Foundation and captured glimpses of the city; 197 photographs of the city were uploaded on Wikipedia website within two hours of the event* * * *A group of amateur photographers, decked up in woollens and armed with their cameras, set out to capture glimpses of the city on Tuesday morning. They had gathered at Gandhi Ashram for the ‘Wiki Takes The City’ walk organised by Wikimedia Foundation, which had invited Amdavadis to take photographs of the city. The selected photographs will be uploaded on Wikipedia. * * * *The walk witnessed participation from 70 people, including 20 school students. Then the participants dispersed in their respective groups to three locations — Walled city, Gujarat University area and ISRO area. The walk concluded at 1 pm after which the participants had to upload their best photographs. * * * *197 pictures, two hours * * * *Noopur Raval, coordinator of Wikimedia India Chapter, said, “As many as 197 photographs were uploaded within two hours of the event. Every participant was sent on a route that had ten monuments. Hence, we expected around 50 photos to be clicked by each of them.”* * * *Like Maulik Joshi and Abhishek Joshi, both software engineers, many participants had taken a leave from work to participate in the event. Maulik, who was in the group that took pictures of Gujarat University area, said, “This is an attempt to portray best of Ahmedabad through photographs.” * * * *Agreed Maulik, “Photography is my passion. It feels great to be part of such events wherein we get a chance to show the real Ahmedabad to the world with our photos. We also got to capture nooks and corners of the city which we had never noticed earlier.”* * * *Platform to meet * *Twenty-year-old Bijal Parikh, who is pursuing graphic designing in Ahmedabad, said, “It is a great platform to meet new people who have a passion for photography. I have clicked more than 100 photos and they are people-centric. Since they would be uploaded on Wikipedia, I clicked photos which people can connect to.”* * * *She added, “Many youngsters participated in the walk. This shows that we youngsters are concerned about our heritage, monuments and the city itself.” * * * *Encourage people* *The aim was to encourage people to take photographs of as many local sites and city specific objects of cultural heritage as possible for Wikipedia articles, according to an information on ‘Wikipedia Takes Ahmedabad’ page.* Regards Tinu Cherian pr...@wikimedia.in http://wiki.wikimedia.in/In_the_news Important Note : The publisher ( Ahmedabad Mirror / Times of India Group ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the content further. The information is only shared only with an internal community who have been featured on this article. All copyrights are duly acknowledged. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
