Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Takes Mumbai 2012

2012-01-29 Thread Vickram Crishna
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, 'on the spot' was deliberately chosen following earlier walks,
 where it was noticed that not everyone who participated actually uploaded
 the content later, or partially uploaded with no captions or details. This
 makes extra work for other people later.

 Maybe this is an assumption? We thought the same but took our chances with
 manuals and people went back home and actually uploaded over 800 pictures.


I wouldn't know. I am not such an enthusiastic photographer, nor was I
directly involved in the Photowalk, just assisting from the sidelines. I
extrapolated from earlier discussions that probably took place here, or on
the Mumbai list (or both), or at our Meetup.


 Regarding the geeky tools- making life simple, again, the moment you push
 photographers/non Linux users into a Linux lab and talk Python and metadata
 problems, one is bound to get slightly intimidated. On the back end of
 course, you can build the geekiest tool and talk about it, but on the front
 end, it should have been a 'clear solution'. People who struggled with
 uploads and metadata will surely not go back home and try it again. That
 was my point.

 Metadata is just a big word for the text and other attributes attached to
a photograph (in this context). A photograph without credentials is a bad
idea for a resource, and this was pointed out on the list earlier. If the
data is not added by the user herself, it becomes a chore for someone else
to research and correctly annotate it. The fact that a digital photograph
can have such attributes integrated is a boon, big words notwithstanding.
This attributes feature also works for music and videos btw, in fact it
works for all standard media, and if anyone comes up with a new media form,
a similar standard will be set.

The talk about Python was a side-discussion about getting the tool working
in time for the crowd to arrive: would it have made anyone feel better if
it was called Photoshop or Picture Manager or something? Why would that be?
Not a rhetorical question, merely one of checking assumptions.

The tool is for mass upload, the issue was enabling multiple people to
upload from a single location. The issue there is protective tools built
into wikimedia that control such things, in order to prevent malware people
from uploading rubbish, running denial of service attacks and the like.
Everyone who becomes a wikimedian should understand that, and organisers of
wikievents of this nature must learn in advance how to get around this.
India is one of the world's biggest sources of such malware (malware
superpower), so it is very understandable that people concerned about
Wikimedia's credibility and reputation will view such activities from India
as a threat. We need to evolve a protocol whereby lead wikimedians at any
event notify this intent so that the gates are temporarily opened and the
event can take place to everyone's convenience.

When this is not done, the experience is not so great, but as I suggested,
there are workarounds that will still keep everyone engaged and
enthusiastic at the upload venue (which could be a cybercafe stuffed with
Windows machines; wikimedia tools try to be as agnostic and inclusive as
possible) and the need for such things can only come out of discussion -
f2f as well, if the Walkers have a mix of newbie and experienced
wikimedians, but the potential to be much richer and more informative if
more people can participate, like on this mailing list.

The geeky part, the actual design and development of an offline component
of the tool (that was only my suggestion: it is possible there may be some
more effective way of handling it as well), will be handled by wikimedians
who like doing such things, but without this discussion to highlight the
need, why would they? And what would they design, if there was no
discussion about what it should do?

The alternative is everyone goes home, uploads individually, and loses out
on any chance for discussing and evolving best practices about that aspect,
the addition of captions and metadata.

Both options have their merits and demerits, for it is not even necessary
that every photosession be a PhotoWalk.


 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Vickram Crishna 
 vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote:



 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMHO, the point of the photo walk is not just to get pictures but, also
 to ask people to log on to Commons and check it out by themselves so that
 they continue uploading pictures etc.
 This thread seems so complex that a participant must have felt crippled
 and left thinking that Wikipedia (and Commons) is all so complicated and
 geeky, it's not my cup of tea.


 The nuts and bolts will always be geeky (although only some highly
 specific mails actually had any geeky content in them). The point of all
 the geeky stuff is to make life simple for persons who do not need to know

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Article on Marathi Wikipedia in the second edition of Marathi e-Sahitya_Sammelan

2012-01-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
Some correction.

The second edition of e-Sahitya Sammelan was inagurated by Vivek sawant,
managing director, MKCL. The sammelan will be presided over by noted poet
Grace.
The news about this Sammelan is already in the media. eg.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/2nd-edition-of-esahitya-sammelan-inaugurated/905061/

Regards
-Sudhanwa


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Article on Marathi wikipedia is published in the second edition of Marathi
 e-Sahitya_Sammelan.
 Marathi e-Sahitya_Sammelan.was inaugurated by the famous Marathi poet
 Grace (
 http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8)
 on 28 Jan 2012.

 Please read it here:

 http://uniquefeatures.in/e-sammelan-12/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A5%80-%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE

 Marathi wikipedians are proud to be part of e-Sahitya_Sammelan!!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread ansuman
Statistics :  http://www.aahwaan.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Statistics


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Srikant Kedia wikiodis...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello,

 Please see the site http://www.aahwaan.com/wiki/ , Here there is a
 copyright violation, as the content is used from Wikipedia..

 So please take the appropriate action.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
I think WMF people could take an action against it, no need to ponder over
this stupidity!
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread Swaroop Rao
The Logo is certainly a copyvio, but the text and content gets off easier.
Its a simple matter of asking them to license text under CC-BY-SA.


Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)






On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 19:31, Subhashish Panigrahi
psubhash...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think WMF people could take an action against it, no need to ponder over
 this stupidity!

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread Swaroop Rao
Yes, Logo is copyrighted by WMF, but text is not.


Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 19:47, Subhashish Panigrahi
psubhash...@gmail.comwrote:

 No Swaroop, the logo is a modification version of original Wikipedia Odia
 logo and can't be in a CC-BY-SA, the admin has to remove it by all chances
 as it is a WMF's copyrighted logo and can't be used anywhere except
 foundation's work.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread Swaroop Rao
As I understand it, the text is not licensed to WMF, but we've definitely
got a case with the logo.


Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)





On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 20:07, Srikant Kedia wikiodis...@gmail.com wrote:

 there is  not only the matter of logo.. but also the text.. as it means
 Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in the logo.


 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes, Logo is copyrighted by WMF, but text is not.


 Swaroop Rao
 (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)


 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 19:47, Subhashish Panigrahi 
 psubhash...@gmail.com wrote:

 No Swaroop, the logo is a modification version of original Wikipedia
 Odia logo and can't be in a CC-BY-SA, the admin has to remove it by all
 chances as it is a WMF's copyrighted logo and can't be used anywhere except
 foundation's work.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violation by aahwaan.com

2012-01-29 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 +1 Swaroop, even the UI is somewhat similar but doesn't cause any harm,
 but the name Wikipedia and the usage of the logo is not permitted.


I think the UI is just mediawiki.  Srikant, can you send them a polite mail
explaining why they cannot use Wikipedia and other Wikimedia related
trademarks?  That works most of the time.

anirudh


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[Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Anshuman Fotedar
Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event. They
helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time, and
they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
anyone out.

Do visit our maintenance category
WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.

Sincerely
Anshuman Fotedar

PS:

1.
During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures of
Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
there.

2.
The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home instead.
Although we did get several good contributions from the participants in
this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been nice if we could
have joined in with the participants who uploaded together at HBCSE. I
apologise.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
Hi,


On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Anshuman Fotedar 
anshuman.fote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
 people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
 landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
 Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
 Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
 proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
 shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
 using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

 Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
 They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
 and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

 Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
 Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
 Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
 anyone out.

 Do visit our maintenance category 
 WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
 specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.


Fantastic !!!

I was not there in this photography event. However, getting inspiration
from these pictures, I have uploaded some of the pictures I have taken
during WCI. These include some night pictures from Marine Drive and the
beautiful glass pane in the ocnvocation hall. Hope you will like them. I
will add a few more later on. You can find it here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Sudhanwa_j

Will love to see more images from WTM.

Best regards
-Sudhanwa
ps: Usually, we are supposed to ask for permission of sensitive places like
temples, corporate houses etc. Even though it may be legally possible,
usually, photography is not permitted/done in such places. A balance of
wasting a lot of time and energy (and equipment) with the cops and
security people and a few pictures is to be achieved.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Barry Newstead
Great report! Sounds like a wonderful event with good advocacy on the
question of maintaining respect for basic freedoms of citizens when
governments take security concerns a bit too far.

Warmest wishes from sunny San Francisco.

Barry

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,


 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Anshuman Fotedar 
 anshuman.fote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
 people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
 landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
 Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
 Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
 proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
 shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
 using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

 Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
 They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
 and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

 Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
 Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
 Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
 anyone out.

 Do visit our maintenance category 
 WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
 specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.


 Fantastic !!!

 I was not there in this photography event. However, getting inspiration
 from these pictures, I have uploaded some of the pictures I have taken
 during WCI. These include some night pictures from Marine Drive and the
 beautiful glass pane in the ocnvocation hall. Hope you will like them. I
 will add a few more later on. You can find it here:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Sudhanwa_j

 Will love to see more images from WTM.

 Best regards
 -Sudhanwa
 ps: Usually, we are supposed to ask for permission of sensitive places
 like temples, corporate houses etc. Even though it may be legally possible,
 usually, photography is not permitted/done in such places. A balance of
 wasting a lot of time and energy (and equipment) with the cops and
 security people and a few pictures is to be achieved.

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[Wikimediaindia-l] General congrats and some data

2012-01-29 Thread Barry Newstead
Hi all,

I just wrote an appreciation for the Mumbai photowalk, but in reading
through the whole list I noted that there has been a large increase in
activities in the community as a whole over the past few weeks. Some of
this is probably attributable to the 11th anniversary of Wikipedia, but it
is mostly attributable to the growing efforts of all of you to build our
community in India, Bangledash (noting the 8th birthday of Bengali WP!).
 Congrats on all the events - this is the way we build a community.

I'd like to add that your efforts are working, though the data I have is a
bit imperfect and has some reliability issues.  I measured the share of
total edits to all Wikipedia projects from India in July 2010 (in
preparation for my first trip to India in September 2010). The share was
1.3% of total. Our most recent analysis shows we have grown to 1.7% of
edits. That is a 31% increase in share.  It is even more impressive to note
that this implies that total edits from India increased by 42.5% in a time
period when edits worldwide increased 9%.

CONGRATS team India!

Warmest regards,
Barry


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] General congrats and some data

2012-01-29 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote:


 I'd like to add that your efforts are working, though the data I have is a
 bit imperfect and has some reliability issues.  I measured the share of
 total edits to all Wikipedia projects from India in July 2010 (in
 preparation for my first trip to India in September 2010). The share was
 1.3% of total. Our most recent analysis shows we have grown to 1.7% of
 edits. That is a 31% increase in share.  It is even more impressive to note
 that this implies that total edits from India increased by 42.5% in a time
 period when edits worldwide increased 9%.


Don't these numbers have a margin of error? like +/- 1%?

I ask because you yourself start out, that the data is imperfect and has
reliability issues. Even under that assumption, the increase would be from
1.3% to 1.7%, an increase of 0.4% considering variables like
Wikiconference, IEP, India offices and political situation that brought a
limelight on the projects. That doesn't sound that inspiring, I hope we can
do better, I know we can.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Outofindia
Sounds like a fun time was had by all.

A question:
Is there anyway of finding out in advance what buildings are considered to
have have Security fears?


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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Anshuman Fotedar 
anshuman.fote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
 people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
 landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
 Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
 Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
 proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
 shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
 using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

 Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
 They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
 and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

 Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
 Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
 Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
 anyone out.

 Do visit our maintenance category 
 WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
 specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.

 Sincerely
 Anshuman Fotedar

 PS:

 1.
 During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures of
 Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
 handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
 and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
 that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
 from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
 standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
 Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
 police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
 do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
 permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
 accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
 diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
 one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
 them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
 there.

 2.
 The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
 St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
 at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
 was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
 they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home
 instead. Although we did get several good contributions from the
 participants in this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been
 nice if we could have joined in with the participants who uploaded together
 at HBCSE. I apologise.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Analysis of IEP: Quantitative Analysis Tory Read's Report

2012-01-29 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:


 I found Tory's report neutral, informative, exhaustive and professional.
 Since this issue involves people from all spheres of Wikipedia movement, I
 feel it is wise that she was chosen to do this to given an objective view.
 We don't need an Indian to analyze this issue.


I found it to be an eyewitness account, not an analysis. I have raised this
point elsewhere multiple times, this is the problem that is responsible for
getting us here. Hiring individuals not from the community or the
geography, to fix what is wrong with either or both. I used an analogy on
the page, about hiring a lawyer from Australia, to fix a problem with
farmers in Africa, he would not know about either.

Individual community members leave too. But the community exists.
 Similarly, employees and consultants may leave. But, WMF will be there and
 I can see that Barry and others are trying their best to address this issue
 in their official capacity.


You do know WMF came after Wikipedia? or the current incarnation with
consultants and staff, with a focus and offices in developing countries
even more recently? But those are other discussions for other places. Let
me explain, community members are unpaid volunteers, who can join and leave
as they wish, they are not bound by anything. Paid staff and contractors,
are usually *paid* to undertake a project, if they leave mid-discussion,
that is really not the same thing.



 Let's please discuss the issues put forward by the report instead of
 discussing how the report itself should have been done. The former is more
 important.


I was. I found it lacking, and the person in-charge of the report,
abandoning before the discussion started. Another volunteer editor, goes
further to give a better view on how to fix this on the page, than the
report.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Ashwin Baindur
How wonderful, I do wish I was there. You guys have done a great job. My
personal congrats to each of the participants.

Do we have a master list for articles about Mumbai? Does one need to be
made?

Well begun is half done. Please remember that with all this raw material
(images), you now have to make cakes  pastries (i.e. better-illustrated
articles  newly-made stubs).

So the process of cooking must now start.

Just to remind every-one once again, :)

We need to :

* categorise the images.
* add the images to articles, where possible.
* create stubs where necessary and add images to them.

Congratulations once again Mumbai community, but don't halt just yet,
complete the cycle  see Mumbai represented much better in Wikipedia.

Bumping this to the Wikiproject India mailing list also.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
--
-- Forwarded message --
From: Anshuman Fotedar anshuman.fote...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II
To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in  from Mumbai , India. 
wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org


Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event. They
helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time, and
they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
anyone out.

Do visit our maintenance category
WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.

Sincerely
Anshuman Fotedar

PS:

1.
During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures of
Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
there.

2.
The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home instead.
Although we did get several good contributions from the participants in
this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been nice if we could
have joined in with the participants who uploaded together at HBCSE. I
apologise.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Aditya Sengupta
Harriet,

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:32, Outofindia outofin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Sounds like a fun time was had by all.

 A question:
 Is there anyway of finding out in advance what buildings are considered to
 have have Security fears?


Yes- if there is a yellow board that declares the building as a Prohibited
Area, you are not allowed to photograph such buildings. We saw quite a few
of these buildings- such as the RBI building. These boards are required to
be registered with the police/government, so it isn't like anyone can put
them up.

Everything else is fair game- as long as you are not trespassing on their
property (which we weren't) or harassing them (we were super nice and
polite with the Bombay House folks as well as the police- so this wasn't a
problem either).



 Warm regards

 Harriet
 Still in NYC.







 Harriet Vidyasagar

 www.outofindia.net

 www.womenofindia.net

 INDIA: 91-99011 66276

 USA: 1-301-649-2240



 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Anshuman Fotedar 
 anshuman.fote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
 people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
 landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
 Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
 Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
 proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
 shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
 using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

 Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
 They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
 and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

 Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
 Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
 Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
 anyone out.

 Do visit our maintenance category 
 WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
 specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.

 Sincerely
 Anshuman Fotedar

 PS:

 1.
 During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures
 of Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
 handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
 and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
 that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
 from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
 standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
 Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
 police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
 do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
 permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
 accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
 diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
 one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
 them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
 there.

 2.
 The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
 St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
 at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
 was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
 they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home
 instead. Although we did get several good contributions from the
 participants in this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been
 nice if we could have joined in with the participants who uploaded together
 at HBCSE. I apologise.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Achal Prabhala

  
  


On Monday 30 January 2012 03:28 AM, Theo10011 wrote:
Looks great Anshuman!
  
  
  My best wishes to you and the Mumbai community!
  
  
  I wish we could figure out an easier way to upload, possibly
direct mobile uploads to common for events like this. I know it
would be a gold-mine for participation when it comes to events
like this.



For anyone who'd like to send images to commons directly from your
android camera phone, there is an app that does exactly this - I've
used it to send images directly from my phone to commons; it's
simple, easy-to-use and extremely useful:
https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main

(Other than this android app, there appears to be an IPhone app
under development: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiSnaps)



  
  
  Regards
Theo

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM,
  Anshuman Fotedar anshuman.fote...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Greetings!
This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II. Forty
people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am
yesterday. The landmarks that were photographed included
theBabulnath Temple,Nehru Science Centre, Opera House, St
Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani Bakery. After the
photos had been clicked many of the participants proceeded
toHomi BhabhaCentre for Science Education, TIFR where they
were shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual
upload process and by using the mediawiki-uploader mass
upload script.

  
  Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work
  into the event. They helped many people contribute to the
  Commons while having a good time, and they deserve praise
  for making all of this happen.
  
  Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram
  Crishna, Dr Nagarjuna,Noopur Raval andMoksh Juneja for
  all the help and mentoring. Thanks to Shrinivasan T for
  mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed anyone
  out.
  
  Do visit our maintenance category WTM, specially created for the
  event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.
  
Sincerely
Anshuman Fotedar

PS:

1.
During the photowalk, some of the participants who were
taking pictures of Bombay House were interrupted by
private security personnel and asked to handover their
cameras so that the pictures could be removed.Pranav
andAditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put
forth the fact that they were not not breaking any laws
by photographing the structure from the outside since it
was not a legally protected one. They were standing on
the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter,
Aditya, Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the
security personnel to the police station where they
explained that they were within their rights to do what
they did, and that citizens of the country need not take
prior permission to take exterior photographs of private
property that was not accorded legal protection.The PSI
on duty made a noting in his station diary and informed
us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures,
but agreed with them per se that there is no law that
prohibits people from taking pictures there.

  

2.
The group that went to Bombay House (and
  subsequently to Yazdani Bakery, St. Thomas Cathedral)
  and other places was delayed owing to the incident at
  Bombay House and discoveredserendipitouslythat entry
  to INS Vikrant was open. Covering Vikrant took a
  while, adding to the delay. Consequently they (this
  includes me)never reached HBCSEbut
uploaded from home instead. Although we did get
several good contributions from the participants in
this group as well, I do recognise that it may have
been nice if we could have joined in with the
participants who uploaded together at HBCSE. I
apologise.
  



[Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] DNA : Wikipedians set out on mission to capture Mumbai landmarks

2012-01-29 Thread Tinu Cherian (Wikimedia India)

DNA : Wikipedians set out on mission to capture Mumbai landmarks
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_wikipedians-set-out-on-mission-to-capture-mumbai-landmarks_1643625 




Armed with cameras and the belief that some of the city’s landmarks 
deserve to be featured in cyberspace, a group of Wikipedia volunteers 
trudged along Mumbai’s streets on Sunday, identifying notable spots and 
capturing them on film.


The photographs will be contributed to Wikimedia Commons, a repository 
for copyright-free images, sound and other media files.


“Mumbai has several monuments and famous spots. But, some of them find 
little or no mention on Wikipedia,” said Anshuman Fotedar, a financial 
analyst and member of the group.


The aim of the exercise was not just to put the city’s landmarks on the 
virtual map but also to increase awareness of Wikipedia and its culture 
in the city.


Fotedar added that many people want to give something back to the vast 
online encyclopaedia but are unable to figure out how to start 
contributing. “The English-language Wikipedia has grown quite a lot over 
the years, thanks to the efforts of regular contributors. This exercise 
was meant to introduce new contributors to areas they can help with,” he 
said.


The group, comprising mostly students and young professionals, was, 
however, stopped from taking pictures by security guards at the Bombay 
House. In the end, the authorities agreed that shooting the building was 
not prohibited.


Besides the photowalk, the group took part in discussions on other 
projects that Wikipedia India volunteers are working on.


“There is an initiative called GLAM through which Wikipedia collaborates 
with prominent art galleries and museums to help with articles related 
to culture,” Fotedar said. Another project focuses on promotion of 
Indian language Wikipedias.


--
Regards
Tinu Cherian
pr...@wikimedia.in
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/In_the_news

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[Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : Times of India : Shooting city for web viewers

2012-01-29 Thread Tinu Cherian (Wikimedia India)

Times of India : Shooting city for web viewers

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-01-29/mumbai/30675607_1_wikipedia-wikimedia-commons-photos 



MUMBAI: On Saturday morning, a group of 40 Mumbaikars armed with cameras 
gathered outside the Oval Maidan before setting out on a photo-walk to 
ensure their city is well-represented in the realms of cyberspace where 
information can be accessed for free.


Speaking about the popular free online encyclopaedia, Wikipedia, Nikita 
Belavate, a student, said, Many Wikipedia articles on city landmarks do 
not have photos. We want to change that. Belavate was one of the 
organizers of the photo scavenger hunt, 'Wikipedia Takes Mumbai', which 
concluded in the afternoon.


At the end of the shoot, the group uploaded over 200 pictures to 
Wikimedia Commons, the repository of free multimedia files that supplies 
photos to all Wiki sites. We took over 800 photos and will soon upload 
the others, Belavate said.


The landmarks photographed included Babulnath Temple, Nehru Science 
Centre and Bandra Talao. We had a list of places like the mint and 
Arthur Road Jail, said Neeraj Pattath, a volunteer photographer. For 
pictures that don't have a mention on the website yet, a new stub can be 
created with a few lines describing them, said Pranav Curumsey, a 
regular contributor to the site.


Financial analyst Anshuman Fotedar, who took pictures of St Thomas 
Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani Bakery, said, It was a way to learn 
more about the city and its cultural history. For civil engineer Milind 
Vedpathak, who photographed Kanheri, Mahakali and Mandapeshwar caves, it 
was a campaign to promote a side of Mumbai that wasn't about slums and 
beggars.


The event was also meant to spread awareness about Wiki culture. We 
helped people set up their Wiki user IDs and showed them how to use 
Commonist, a tool that lets users upload large number of images, said 
Karthik Nadar, a banking student.

--

Regards
Tinu Cherian
pr...@wikimedia.in
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/In_the_news

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread Vickram Crishna
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Monday 30 January 2012 03:28 AM, Theo10011 wrote:

 Looks great Anshuman!

  My best wishes to you and the Mumbai community!

  I wish we could figure out an easier way to upload, possibly direct
 mobile uploads to common for events like this. I know it would be a
 gold-mine for participation when it comes to events like this.



 For anyone who'd like to send images to commons directly from your android
 camera phone, there is an app that does exactly this - I've used it to send
 images directly from my phone to commons; it's simple, easy-to-use and
 extremely useful:
 https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main


Achal, this is great! It will help such events enormously, as many of the
users will be able to perform 'instant uploads' - Photowalks can be
organised with regular breaks to allow successive images to be populated
with metadata.



 (Other than this android app, there appears to be an IPhone app under
 development: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiSnaps)




  Regards
 Theo

 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Anshuman Fotedar 
 anshuman.fote...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
 people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
 landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
 Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
 Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
 proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
 shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
 using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.

 Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
 They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
 and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.

 Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
 Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
 Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
 anyone out.

 Do visit our maintenance category 
 WTMhttp://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM,
 specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.

 Sincerely
 Anshuman Fotedar

 PS:

 1.
 During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures
 of Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
 handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
 and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
 that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
 from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
 standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
 Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
 police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
 do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
 permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
 accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
 diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
 one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
 them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
 there.

  2.
 The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
 St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
 at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
 was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
 they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home
 instead. Although we did get several good contributions from the
 participants in this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been
 nice if we could have joined in with the participants who uploaded together
 at HBCSE. I apologise.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

2012-01-29 Thread wheredevelsdare

We seem to be called in to the cop station a bit too often - visit #2 for 
Wikipedia (1st was for WCI 11), this time it got better, taken in a Police Van 
to MRA Marg. The worst part, they dont drop you back, you need to make your own 
way :(

The guards at Bombay House were pretty clear, we have orders not to allow 
photography on Homy Mody Street in front of the building for security reasons. 
Its odd that such orders are given in the first place, as public roads are not 
under their purview and we were certainly not trespassing their property. 
Aditya offered to delete the pics if they could show that its illegal, 
obviously they could not. Just because they are scared of terror threats, 
whoever gave the order seems to think they have the right to deny the public of 
their rights and curtail freedom. Talk about misuse of power.

From: apsengu...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:52:17 +0530
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [Wikimediaindia-l] Report on Wikipedia Takes 
Mumbai II

Harriet, 

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:32, Outofindia outofin...@gmail.com wrote:


Sounds like a fun time was had by all.

A question: 
Is there anyway of finding out in advance what buildings are considered to have 
have Security fears?




Yes- if there is a yellow board that declares the building as a Prohibited 
Area, you are not allowed to photograph such buildings. We saw quite a few of 
these buildings- such as the RBI building. These boards are required to be 
registered with the police/government, so it isn't like anyone can put them up. 



Everything else is fair game- as long as you are not trespassing on their 
property (which we weren't) or harassing them (we were super nice and polite 
with the Bombay House folks as well as the police- so this wasn't a problem 
either). 


 
Warm regards



Harriet
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Anshuman Fotedar anshuman.fote...@gmail.com 
wrote:




Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty people 
turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The landmarks 
that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru Science Centre, 
Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani Bakery. After the 
photos had been clicked many of the participants proceeded to Homi Bhabha 
Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were shown how to upload to 
Commons using both the usual upload process and by using the mediawiki-uploader 
mass upload script.





Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event. They 
helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time, and they 
deserve praise for making all of this happen.

Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr Nagarjuna, 
Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring. Thanks to 
Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed anyone out.






Do visit our maintenance category WTM, specially created for the event. 313 
pictures have been uploaded so far.
Sincerely




Anshuman Fotedar


PS:

1. 
During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures of 
Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to 
handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav and Aditya 
Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact that they were not 
not breaking any laws by photographing the structure from the outside since it 
was not a legally protected one. They were standing on the road, and not 
trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya, Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal 
accompanied the security personnel to the police station where they explained 
that they were within their rights to do what they did, and that citizens of 
the country need not take prior permission to take exterior photographs of 
private property that was not accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a 
noting in his station diary and informed us that Bombay House has security 
fears, which is why one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, 
but agreed with them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from 
taking pictures there.





2.The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery, St. 
Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident at Bombay 
House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant was open. 
Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently they (this 
includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home instead. Although we 
did get several good contributions from the participants in this group as well, 
I do recognise that it may have been nice if we could have joined in with the 
participants who uploaded together at HBCSE.