[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC office hours with the localization team tomorrow
Hi, A gentle reminder. The office hours is at 23:30 IST (18:00 UTC) Thanks Santhosh -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:46 AM Subject: IRC office hours with the localization team, on International Mother Language Day To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, I just wanted to give some advance notice about IRC office hours with the localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation, which will be aptly held on International Mother Language Day.[2] Date: 2011-02-21 Time: 18.00 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available on Meta.[3] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to, I highly recommend the blog posts they've been writing regularly.[4] Thanks, and we'll talk to you later this month! -- Steven Walling, Wikimedia Foundation 1. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day 3. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours 4. http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/ -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Crafts museum page
Noopur, I have a suggestion. This is not something restricted to English right? Can we have India GLAM related stuff on Meta instead? On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I've created a working Project page on en-WP for the Crafts museum project. I welcome you all to join and put down your name as participants. Everyone is welcome, including people interested in translations, making userboxes, providing stats, creating articles and so on. We've hit a few roadblocks getting the formal agreement finalized, while that still happens I realized there was a lot of back end work which could be finished. Look forward to your support! Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Crafts_Museum -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Crafts museum page
Please see the section on translation and add your name if you plan to :) I just made a start page, now you all can chip in as you like. On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Noopur, I have a suggestion. This is not something restricted to English right? Can we have India GLAM related stuff on Meta instead? On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I've created a working Project page on en-WP for the Crafts museum project. I welcome you all to join and put down your name as participants. Everyone is welcome, including people interested in translations, making userboxes, providing stats, creating articles and so on. We've hit a few roadblocks getting the formal agreement finalized, while that still happens I realized there was a lot of back end work which could be finished. Look forward to your support! Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Crafts_Museum -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Localisation and internationalisation bugs affecting Indic language communities
On 02/20/2012 07:00 AM, wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:23:08 +0530 From: Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press] : The Hindu : The struggles of keeping Kannada Wikipedia afloat Message-ID: CA+30aUPsvLiA2YrjNz3KTWs7zgRuTCAiCPoFu4PZidYgu=a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:43, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote: I guess what I am asking is whether all the issues that the various language communities in India face have been recorded on the bugzilla and, there is a page somewhere which allows anyone interested to track them. If you are asking only about technical issues, many communities do log bugs from time to time. But when they remain open beyond certain period and the person who logged becomes inactive, they go into black hole and there is no one to follow up(even if its fixed, they remain open). Srikanth, this is distressing to hear! If you could point to some specific Bugzilla reports that have gone into the black hole, including ones that no longer reflect reality, I could help ask the localisation team to follow up and at least put some updated information in the issues at bugzilla.wikimedia.org . But the larger issues are common and pretty much known to i18n team. (like say PDF rendering). I tried cleaning up Tamil related bugs recently which were documented here[1] since 2006, also created a tracking bug[2]. But then as someone else said, People are just waiting for one more tracking bug to fix those. ! //So tracking bugs don't help beyond a point ! This is also distressing to hear! I'm not quite sure what was implied there -- did the speaker mean that the localisation team won't address certain problems until there are more tracking bugs to help track issues, or something else? Most, if not all Indic issues would be tagged with i18n keyword on bugzilla. [1] http://tawp.in/r/3hl [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578 -- Regards Srikanth.L Yes, adding the i18n keyword to an issue in Bugzilla will help bring it to the attention of the localisation team. Thanks for mentioning this problem, Srikanth. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Localisation and internationalisation bugs affecting Indic language communities
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:54, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 02/20/2012 07:00 AM, wikimediaindia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:23:08 +0530 From: Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com If you are asking only about technical issues, many communities do log bugs from time to time. But when they remain open beyond certain period and the person who logged becomes inactive, they go into black hole and there is no one to follow up(even if its fixed, they remain open). There is nothing to be distressed here. Srikanth, this is distressing to hear! If you could point to some specific Bugzilla reports that have gone into the black hole, including ones that no longer reflect reality, I could help ask the localisation team to follow up and at least put some updated information in the issues at bugzilla.wikimedia.org . They are called black hole for the reason anyone(apart from the filer / folks who conversed) might not be able to easily spot them. In most cases the bugs lack update from the filers / language communities. But again if the filer is from one generation and has retired, who does the follow up? Ideally language support teams must do it. But all of us know Indic communities have very few people to look into these and the common pattern I have found across few communities I have interacted is that spending time on bugzilla / improving technology/language support is not going to change things big way, so I might as well be contented (Ex:- Why Narayam when js works fine) with whats there and do my editing. But at some point, communities need to focus on these, as and when the communities grow, they will also get contributors who are interested in supporting the language technically. But the larger issues are common and pretty much known to i18n team. (like say PDF rendering). I tried cleaning up Tamil related bugs recently which were documented here[1] since 2006, also created a tracking bug[2]. But then as someone else said, People are just waiting for one more tracking bug to fix those. ! //So tracking bugs don't help beyond a point ! This is also distressing to hear! I'm not quite sure what was implied there -- did the speaker mean that the localisation team won't address certain problems until there are more tracking bugs to help track issues, or something else? The quote was from one of the bugs I remember seeing on bugzilla, said by someone on a totally different bug nothing related to localization. The point I implied quoting it was process for the sake of it doesn't help much beyond a point. Adding tracking bugs does not impact the age of the bug. The bugs remain open either because they are hard to solve / lack of bandwidth / lack of input / variety of other reasons, not because no one is tracking them. Adding a tracking bug wont magically fix the bug / help in the getting it to closure. But tracking bug serves useful especially for anyone new to see what are problem areas, how can I help fix / test / not report duplicate bugs etc. Most, if not all Indic issues would be tagged with i18n keyword on bugzilla. Yes, adding the i18n keyword to an issue in Bugzilla will help bring it to the attention of the localisation team. Another point, Not all Indic wikipedia related issues are i18n issues, though there might be heavy overlap. There are site requests like changing logo,namespace, installing extensions whatever. The point to note is, when someone does these things in any Indic community(which already have tiny community), please keep the community widely posted / document these somewhere.Not just issues, but solutions/workarounds, gadgets used, things like abuse filter rules(if any) and its rationale behind etc. This will help someone else in your community(who may come years later) to follow up even if you retire / had forgotten. Fortunately Tamil Wiki community did that from the beginning(at least the major ones,if not everything) in the form of a page[1] and I was able to go through,know the past issues,update it after almost 2 years! I felt a tracking bug might be easier to track on issues than a page, so I just created one. Thanks for mentioning this problem, Srikanth. This problem is not restricted to bugzilla. This may even happen in say in translation or anything, where only a subset (ideally 1-2 in a community of 10) involve in the activities and do not document / pass over the knowledge properly.Smaller Wikipedias must not rely on select individual on anything so much that they become extinct/dormant after their wiki-time (Insert story of Bishnupriya Manipuri) I hope Shiju is reading and might be able to relate to it / research on solutions :) [1] http://tawp.in/r/3hl -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
