Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread wheredevelsdare

A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for 
the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the 
feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep 
was also talking of. 

On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs 
should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design 
pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India 
Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter 
next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the 
parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some 
incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for 
them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am 
talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or 
Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530
From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

Hi Hisham,
Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to 
Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my 
Nokia phone.
The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were 
efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, 
does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense? 

I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the 
community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would 
continue despite the Chapter or the WMF. 
Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in 
the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
Pradeep

Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi Folks

One of the aspects that India Program constantly works on is that the the work 
that your team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, 
robust design and relevant progress parameters.


India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by 
nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may 
not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also 
carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India 
Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot 
Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as 
they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your 
watchlists.

Basic Community Building is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic 
communities - in this case, Assamese.  It will show what steps can be taken to 
build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach.  This 
work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers 
even for larger communities (including English.)
Story-telling for Community Building is the work that Noopur just announced 
(and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the 
diversity and magic in our community. 
Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community 
Building is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's 
newsletter, Wikipatrika.  The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more 
participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
Do go through these.  Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.  

The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members 
who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or 
with other community members.)  Do go through these pilot designs and if you 
are interested in getting involved, or if you need clarification, or if you 
want support - please feel free to ask for it on the talk pages or offlist to 
any of us.


Best

hisham




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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Vickram Crishna
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hisham, you say you're conducted 22+ sessions. How would you rate the
 relative success of each of them? Four people editing on the day isn't
 good enough. Long term editors should be used to measure success.


I think what you mean to say is that the editors on the day need to be
tracked (not them: their contributions) regularly. This might aid in
directing them to whatever post-outreach assistance they need, and also
might result in the outreach 'business' snowballing, once other editors see
how effective this is. I see two kinds of success for an outreach program:

1. Outreach multiplication, measured in outreach sessions per period
(week/month/year)
2. Successful outreach sessions, measured in number of editors contributing
x periods (weeks/months/years) after they participated in an outreach

There is a third possible outcome, which is identifying (and perhaps
rewarding) people who are good (ie conversion of newbies into editors) at
outreach.

I also see a different kind of outreach outcome, but which probably needs a
different kind of outreach session, and that is through the addition of
software contributors.

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 Regards,
 Srikanth Ramakrishnan.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
Hi,

I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be
extended to the Chapter as well.

As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community
wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect.

Pradeep
Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these
 topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they
 want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever,
 which is what Pradeep was also talking of.

 On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India
 Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to
 design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of
 what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year.
 Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out
 whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met
 there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there
 must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets
 set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for
 the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as
 a whole.

 --
 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530
 From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

 Hi Hisham,
 Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L
 suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when
 checking mails on my Nokia phone.
 The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots
 were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as
 a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
 I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the
 community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would
 continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
 Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest
 in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
 Pradeep
 Handheld
 On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Folks

 One of the aspects that India 
 Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program constantly
 works on is that the the work that your 
 teamhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team does
 for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and
 relevant progress parameters.

 India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by
 nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or
 may not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also
 carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India
 Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called 
 Pilot
 Designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs -
 where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as they
 are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your
 watchlists.

- Basic Community 
 Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building
  is
the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case,
Assamese.  It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities -
from communication to collaboration to outreach.  This work is especially
relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for
larger communities (including English.)
- Story-telling for Community 
 Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling
  is
the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on
Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our
community.
- Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for
Community 
 Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika
  is
the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's
newsletter, Wikipatrika.  The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become
more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.

 Do go through these.  Do also add your comments on the respective talk
 pages.

 The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community
 members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting
 (with them or with other community members.)  Do go through these pilot
 designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need
 clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on
 the talk pages or offlist to any of us.

 Best

 *hisham*



 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Hisham


On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:

 Hi Hisham,
 
 Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested 
 to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails 
 on my Nokia phone.
 
Full links updated next to hyperlinks in the mail forwarded below and I'm 
including them just below this line as well.
India Program: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program
India Program Team: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team
Pilot Designs: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs
Basic Community Building: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building
Storytelling: 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling
Wikipatrika: meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika

Going forward, we will put the full links in the mails directly.  A lot of 
folks are now accessing stuff directly on their mobiles.
 The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots 
 were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a 
 pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
 
Absolutely on both.  More than happy to.  (On Wikipatrika, we have already 
spoken on this matter with the Chapter.)

Wikipatrika is going to need collaboration with a whole host of folks - and in 
the pilot design page, we've mentioned who all we will reach out to - and these 
include chapter CIGs / SIGs, for instance.

On story-telling, you're right again - and in fact, quite a few profiles are 
already there on the chapter site (http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Main_Page as well 
as http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Featured_Wikimedian/Archive).  We're going to try 
and help accelerate this - and see if there are any modifications we can 
propose.  Will speak to the Chapter on this.
 I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the 
 community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would 
 continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
 
I love this point and the idea!  That is exactly what we want.  For the current 
pilot designs, please feel free to make suggestions. For future ones, we will 
publish them at earlier stages and welcome inputs into the design.  

Let me also think through how we can start off pilot designs completely afresh. 
 I'm thinking that we put out a problem statement about something that is 
important to the community, and then facilitate a ground-up community 
collaborative design for a pilot?  Would be great to hear from anyone and on 
potential candidates in mind in terms of pilots?  Throwing some ideas here

Digital outreach (or a contribution campaign, as it is sometimes called)
Similar to Wikiproject Medicine (currently underway in a few Indic languages), 
how about Wikiproject Software or some other subject (in other or the same 
communities)
Student Clubs (whether in English or in Indic languages)

hisham

 
 On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi Folks
 
 One of the aspects that India Program 
 (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program) constantly works on is that 
 the the work that your team 
 (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team) does for and with our 
 community is based on clear objectives, robust design and relevant progress 
 parameters.
 
 India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by 
 nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or 
 may not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also 
 carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India 
 Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called 
 Pilot Designs (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs) - 
 where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as they 
 are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your watchlists.
 Basic Community Building 
 (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building)
  is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case, 
 Assamese.  It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities - 
 from communication to collaboration to outreach.  This work is especially 
 relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for larger 
 communities (including English.)
 Story-telling for Community Building 
 (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling) is 
 the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on 
 Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our community. 
 Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community 
 Building (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika) is 
 the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's 
 newsletter, Wikipatrika.  

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Story-telling for Community 
 Buildinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling
  is
 the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on
 Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our
 community.


The Wikimedia India Chapter already runs a section call Featured
Wikipedian on the chapter wiki.  Is this pilot designed to replicate the
work that is being already done?

http://wiki.wikimedia.in

More importantly, why do you believe that the story-telling effort will
ultimately motivate more editors to contribute?  Sure, I see some potential
there for interested Internet users who come across Wikimedia's blog sites,
but apart from that?  Have you done a *cost-benefit analysis* on whether
the story telling initiative is worth spending the time and efforts of your
team?

From my own experience, some of the long-term editors are anonymous while
most of the long-term and established editors are quite private to the
extent that they would not wish to link their real life with what they do
on Wikipedia.  I think your efforts are better directed elsewhere
identifying high-potential opportunities, design  implement high-quality
pilots.

I am quoting one of the emails you sent as an explanation to the
Foundation-l

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The advantage that Trust brings to the table is speed and intensity.  I
 think the nature of the Trust's operations will be to identify
 high-potential opportunities, design  implement high-quality pilots and
 transfer learnings to the Chapter, other community groups and the
 community at large.  As and when the Chapter and/or other community
 bodies have built the capacity to take over projects from the Trust, the
 Trust will fully facilitate this.


From what I can see, you are simply undertaking projects which can be
organized by Wikimedia India Chapter once it receives funding and engages a
part-time employee to help it with that.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be
 extended to the Chapter as well.

Let's have this discussion on a separate thread.  Thanks.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread wheredevelsdare

True, but that would probably have to be slightly different as the chapter is 
volunteer driven. During the AGM we could frame what the chapter should be 
doing in the next year and review it at the next AGM. We cant have an 
incentive/penalty as everyone is a volunteer, but it will keep the EC on their 
toes if they want people to re-elect them. 

IMO, the chapter part of this discussion should continue on the chapter members 
list, lets focus on India Programs here - it would be great if we could get 
more views on this here to get a feel of what everyone thinks.

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0530
From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

Hi, 
I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be extended 
to the Chapter as well. 
As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community wants 
but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect.
Pradeep

Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM,  wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:





A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these topics for 
the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they want? I get the 
feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever, which is what Pradeep 
was also talking of. 


On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India Programs 
should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to design 
pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of what India 
Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year. Thereafter 
next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out whether the 
parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met there should be some 
incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there must be some penalty for 
them, as that will spur them to meet the targets set by the community. I am 
talking of the community at large and not for the Chapter EC or Board or 
Advisors - this must be done by the community as a whole.


Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530
From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

Hi Hisham,

Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L suggested to 
Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when checking mails on my 
Nokia phone.

The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots were 
efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as a pilot, 
does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense? 



I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the 
community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would 
continue despite the Chapter or the WMF. 

Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest in 
the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.

Pradeep

Handheld

On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi Folks

One of the aspects that India Program constantly works on is that the the work 
that your team does for and with our community is based on clear objectives, 
robust design and relevant progress parameters.



India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by 
nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or may 
not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also 
carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India 
Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called Pilot 
Designs - where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as 
they are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your 
watchlists.


Basic Community Building is the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic 
communities - in this case, Assamese.  It will show what steps can be taken to 
build such communities - from communication to collaboration to outreach.  This 
work is especially relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers 
even for larger communities (including English.)

Story-telling for Community Building is the work that Noopur just announced 
(and as illustrated by the profile on Netha) - where we want to celebrate the 
diversity and magic in our community. 

Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for Community 
Building is the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's 
newsletter, Wikipatrika.  The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become more 
participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.

Do go through these.  Do also add your comments on the respective talk pages.  

The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community members 
who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting (with them or 
with other 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these
 topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they
 want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever,
 which is what Pradeep was also talking of.


True. It is glaringly unsettling to see community not being consulted on
these.


 On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India
 Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to
 design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of
 what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year.
 Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out
 whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met
 there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there
 must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets
 set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for
 the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as
 a whole.


I think you've made some good points here although it could've been put in
a different way. Agree strongly about the need for community assessment of
India programs to ensure that it actually ends up helping the community and
movement. It is essential to have people from out of the community for any
such evaluation. And yes, it helps to have people who're not part of the
Chapter EC or the India programs or the WMF board/Advisors evaluating this.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:27, Pradeep Mohandas
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.comwrote:

 The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots
 were efforts undertaken by the Chapter.

 IIRC Shiju has been doing the Basic Community Building (covering all
aspects of work detail mentioned) for years now with very decent success
without calling it one. Pilot is trying something new / untested. May be
you should call it a program instead of a pilot.

An example of Indic pilot which I can give is conflict resolution /
increasing awareness of Wiki policies / culture to newer/older community
members alike through policy pages and sorting uneasiness between new and
old editors which exist in few Indic wikis. This will lead to fewer cases
of misuse / abuse of wiki-resources against good interest of community /
wikimedia at large.(in effect prevent more cases like the recent RfC on a
Hindi Wikipedian)

Yes, this is a tough task, there are issues in it, but taking up something
like this at least at a smaller level, can be called a pilot, not something
that's been proven successful for years now.

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building


-- 
Regards
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

2012-03-29 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
Hi,

Both the members list and the AGM are venues open to members only. How will
the community participate in this discussion?

Not all community members are chapter members. I agree with
wheredevelsdare, though in that the nAture of the incentives will change
for Chapter. But the discussion should happen in a fora accessible to
community members.

My last and final take on this discussion isbthat both the Chapter and the
Office's plan of action must be guided by community concerns and
requirements. These discussions are also better done on wiki than on the
mAiling list.

May I propose that these discussions be done on Meta with sufficient notice
for all communities in India to participate in the same. Having separate
pages for Chapter and Office may help.

Pradeep
Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 1:20 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  True, but that would probably have to be slightly different as the
 chapter is volunteer driven. During the AGM we could frame what the chapter
 should be doing in the next year and review it at the next AGM. We cant
 have an incentive/penalty as everyone is a volunteer, but it will keep the
 EC on their toes if they want people to re-elect them.

 IMO, the chapter part of this discussion should continue on the chapter
 members list, lets focus on India Programs here - it would be great if we
 could get more views on this here to get a feel of what everyone thinks.

 --
 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0530
 From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

 Hi,
 I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be
 extended to the Chapter as well.
 As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community
 wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect.
 Pradeep
 Handheld
 On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:

  A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these
 topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they
 want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever,
 which is what Pradeep was also talking of.

 On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India
 Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to
 design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of
 what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year.
 Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out
 whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met
 there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there
 must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets
 set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for
 the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as
 a whole.

 --
 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530
 From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs

 Hi Hisham,
 Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L
 suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when
 checking mails on my Nokia phone.
 The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots
 were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as
 a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
 I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the
 community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would
 continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
 Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest
 in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
 Pradeep
 Handheld
 On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Folks

 One of the aspects that India 
 Programhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program constantly
 works on is that the the work that your 
 teamhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team does
 for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and
 relevant progress parameters.

 India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by
 nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or
 may not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also
 carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India
 Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called 
 Pilot
 Designs http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs -
 where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as they
 are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your
 watchlists.

- Basic Community 
 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Vickram, what you said is an 'expanded' version of what I meant.
I see no point in wasting time and efforts on such sessions if the net
result is zero.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Vickram Crishna
vvcris...@radiophony.comwrote:

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hisham, you say you're conducted 22+ sessions. How would you rate the
 relative success of each of them? Four people editing on the day isn't
 good enough. Long term editors should be used to measure success.


 I think what you mean to say is that the editors on the day need to be
 tracked (not them: their contributions) regularly. This might aid in
 directing them to whatever post-outreach assistance they need, and also
 might result in the outreach 'business' snowballing, once other editors see
 how effective this is. I see two kinds of success for an outreach program:

 1. Outreach multiplication, measured in outreach sessions per period
 (week/month/year)
 2. Successful outreach sessions, measured in number of editors
 contributing x periods (weeks/months/years) after they participated in an
 outreach

 There is a third possible outcome, which is identifying (and perhaps
 rewarding) people who are good (ie conversion of newbies into editors) at
 outreach.

 I also see a different kind of outreach outcome, but which probably needs
 a different kind of outreach session, and that is through the addition of
 software contributors.

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Support for the Bhojpuri language

2012-03-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
We have supported input methods and web fonts for the Bhojpuri language for
quite some time at translatewiki.net. In essence it needs the same support
as Hindi. We are happy with the results and intent to make them available
on the bh.wikipedia.org. Have a look at translatewiki and let us know if
there are any issues [1]

When you read about the Bhojpuri language at Ethnologue [2], it is
indicated that the language has also been written in the Kaithi script [3].
When there is a freely licensed font for the Kaithi script, we are quite
happy to provide this as well as an option. If you know of such a font
please let us know.
Thanks,
  Gerard

[1] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Bho?uselang=bho
[2] http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=bho
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaithi
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Request for not sending so many mails

2012-03-29 Thread RKS Rathore
Sir,
nbsp;I had herpes a months back and it is still troubling me. hence I am not 
able to go through the wikimails. Kindly stop sending me these re- letters at 
your earliest convenience.

R K S Rathore

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[Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-I]Wiki Workshop at JIIT, Noida

2012-03-29 Thread Piyush Aggarwal
Greetings Everyone,

Wikipedia has been invited by Jaypee Institute of Information Technology,
Noidahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaypee_Institute_of_Information_Technology
(JIIT,
Noida) to conduct a workshop during their annual fest
Impressionshttp://impressions12.com/index.html.
There will be a session on the 31st of March (Saturday). The agenda
includes explaining the Basics of Wikipedia, 5 Pillars, Few Policies,
Anatomy of an article, Basic editing etc.

Here is the link to the event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop/Delhi_Workshop_5

If you'd like to help out please add your details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop/Delhi_Workshop_5#Facilitators

Apologies for sending this mail so late, got caught up in work.

Cheers,
Piyush Aggarwal
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Open letter to the Indian Wikimedia community

2012-03-29 Thread Ravishankar
Hey,

I have been watching the list silently for last few months, have discussed
with some of the active members in the community and here is what I feel:

*To the community:*

* There is simply too much noise and politics in this list. I got so fed up
that I chose to receive no mails for some time. Please be aware that this
list is also followed by global community due to the global south
strategy's significance. Should I request that we can behave better?

* WMF India programs, Wikimedia India chapter and the Indian Wikimedia
community are autonomous entities each answerable to their own framework.
The community can express its requirements, give feedback and point out
when the chapter and WMF India programs can do better but we cannot imagine
us to be in a position to control each and every detail of their activity.

For example, questioning the hiring rationale of the WMF India programs is
simply wrong. Do we interfere on such things with the global WMF? Then why
do so with India operations? Such things are completely within the autonomy
of the organization.

If we need something from the chapter, let us join it and participate. If
we need something from the WMF India Programs, let us voice it officially.
For example, Shiju was asking for project proposals from each Indic
Wikipedia community village pump. That will be the best place to partner
with WMF India programs. Not the mailing list. If something can't be done
by WMF India programs, then let us request a grant.

Unless the community is cleary impacted in a negative way, criticising
every activity of the WMF India programs even before they start can only
shatter their morale.

* I don't know the value of the match-stick impact of the first Wiki
conference India. But, let me wait for its report to see if its really
worth the lakhs and lakhs of Rupees spent on it. Until then, I am not so
keen on an annual Wiki conference of the same scale. Let us do the real
work in Wikipedias and improve them instead of spending our time in mailing
lists.

*To the chapter and the WMF India programs:*

I expect something bigger and grander from both of these organizations.
They should undertake work that the community can't do by itself or which
doesn't require the community work at all.

Example: Making strategic partnerships with academic, knowlege, corporate
and Govt. institutions for non-IEP purposes. This could be acquisition of
archives under free license or partnering with media / mobile phone
companies to distribute Wiki content.

Right now, there is too much overlap on who does what that ultimately most
of the community work is claimed as work done by chapter or the India
programs. We don't require a chapter or India programs to do what the
community was already doing by itself.  At least, I don't see how this can
justify their annual budgets.

One personal request: I see that too much of your time is wasted in the
mailing list. Be BOLD, communicate / clarify only when required and to the
minimum. Just implement better and bigger programs and delight the
community with good results.

Thanks,

Ravi
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] PRESS: New search tool to unlock Wikipedia

2012-03-29 Thread Noopur
A very interesting idea to extract specific information out of Wikipedia.
Do have a look.

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From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Subject: [Wmfcc-l] PRESS: New search tool to unlock Wikipedia
To: Communications Committee wmfc...@lists.wikimedia.org



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21625-new-search-tool-to-unlock-wikipedia.html

WOULD you like to ask Wikipedia tougher questions than today's simple
keyword searches allow? A prototype plug-in that can do just that will be
demonstrated at the World Wide Web
conferencehttp://swipe.i-mozart.com/www2012demo/TR_swipe.pdf
  in Lyon, France, next month.

Called Swipe - loosely short for searching Wikipedia by example - the
software aims to let users of the online encyclopedia answer complex
questions that most search engines would stumble over. For example, trying
to figure out which actresses won academy awards when they were under 30
years old in the last 25 years? becomes relatively simple when using the
program.

To use Swipe, questions are not typed out in the form of the natural
language above, but Swipe is nevertheless designed for everyday users: no
knowledge of arcane database query languages is necessary, say the
developers, Maurizio Atzori at the University of Cagliari, Sardinia, and
Carlo Zaniolo at the University of California, Los Angeles.

The pair wrote Swipe using MediaWiki, the software Wikipedia is based on,
but it draws its answers from
DBpediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dbpedia#Example ,
an expansive collection of 3.6 million data entries harvested from
Wikipedia's pages. The data pop up in the info boxes on the right-hand side
of Wikipedia entries, which list the details we use to describe the world,
such as dates, prices, ages, heights, names, places, distances, bit rates,
bytes, running times and geographical coordinates.

At a very basic level, Atzori and Zaniolo use this process in reverse:
Swipe activates those Wikipedia info boxes, allowing users to take the
data in them and create a tweaked version, and in doing so calls up pages
that match that altered information. For example, says Atzori: Imagine you
want to search for all Wikipedia pages about singers from North America who
are younger than 20. With Swipe running, you go to an example of a known
singer's page - Lady Gaga's, say - and in the Born field overwrite her
age of 25 with 20 and replace New York, New York with North America.
Swipe then automatically converts that into a DBpedia query that returns a
page with a list of entries that match your requirements.

In a demo video, the pair show how to use pop singer Robbie Williams's
Wikipedia page to find a list of musicians with the first name Mike who
don't play poprock - by overwriting his name and occupation, and placing
the construct un before the genre poprock (watch the video above).

Swipe could easily be made available as an option on Wikipedia one day,
says Atzori.

I like the idea because of its simplicity and the way it uses familiar
Wikipedia info boxes to construct powerful queries, says Nigel
Shadbolthttp://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/nrs ,
head of the web and internet science group at the University of
Southampton, UK.

Structured data resources like DBpedia represent a really rich knowledge
base, he adds, but they are difficult for the average internet user to
take advantage of. If we could build a query engine that's usable by all,
that would be a real winner, he says.

Richard Symonds
Office  Development Manager
Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 207 065 0992
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program-Fortnightly IRC: Thursday March 29th @ 9pm IST (Outreach Communication) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Nitika Tandon
Hey,

Just a reminder. We are starting in 10 mins. Do join in!

Thanks
Nitika

On 29-Mar-2012, at 8:54 AM, Hisham wrote:

 Hi Folks
 
 Reminder about the IRC later today (9pm IST on March 29th.)  Join in using 
 this link: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office.
 
 As I had indicated earlier, what we will do going forward is to publish an 
 opening statement - which is below.  We'd like to have a rich discussion 
 around these topics for 45 minutes and then throw it open for 15 minutes for 
 any other topics that anyone wants to discuss.
 
 There have been more than 22 outreach sesssions (English + some Indic 
 languages) across India over the past 2 1/2 months.   We have been working on 
 constantly every component of outreach.  
 
 * Pre-session work - building supporting material (documents, presentations, 
 handouts etc), evaluating different ways of conducting an effective outreach, 
 using different ways to reach out to organisations with the proposal to 
 conduct a session etc.
 
 * Session work - adopting different techniques of doing  outreach, how do we 
 get participants more involved during the session, how to filter out the 
 folks so that we do the editing session only with the  genuinely interested 
 participants, how to balance between practical and theoretical aspects of 
 training, how much information to give out in one session etc.
 
 * Post-session work - how do we provide editing support to the participants, 
 how do we collect their contact information, how do we keep in touch with 
 them on regular basis, how do we invite them to join other Wiki projects, how 
 do we track their edit count - soon after the session, after 1 and 3 months 
 of conducting the session etc.
 
 We'd like to discuss these.  In the IRC, the following will be covered:
 
 * Indic Outreach: How can we do more outreach session in Indic langauges in 
 particular? / Can regional communities work to translate supporting material? 
 / How do we provide more support to different language communities to conduct 
 these sessions? 
 
 * More Outreach:  If we are doing 7 outreach session in one month right now 
 is there a way of us doing 10 every month? / Can we find more community 
 members who will be willing to conduct these session? / For community members 
 who are interested to conduct outreach sessions but think they lack 
 confidence - is there a way we can help them? 
 
 * Better Outreach: Can we find some volunteers who will be willing to adopt 
 these newbies and give them support? . 
 
 I'd strongly encourage all those folks who have been actively involved in 
 conducting these sessions over the past 2 months to join this IRC. It will be 
 great if you could share your first hand experience with the wider community 
 on what worked, what didn't, what we could have done better etc.  I 
 especially do want to ask Indic Wikimedians to join because we desperately 
 need more outreach sessions in Indic languages.
 
 We will also briefly address the early stages of the communications work - 
 which are the storytelling and Wikipatrika support that was announced 
 yesterday.  Given it's early days on communications, I'd prefer this IRC stay 
 largely focussed on outreach since there is so much to work through there.
 
 See you all there!
 
 Apologies for sending this note this morning and not last night as I had 
 promised.  
 
 
 hisham
 
 p.s. There is a (tiny) possibility that I might be slightly late but you'll 
 all be in Nitika's safe hands.  I shall try and my level best to be on time.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] PRESS: New search tool to unlock Wikipedia

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Sounds exciting. I really hope this works out. It'd make online work
so much simpler. Although it reminds me of an unrelated computational
search engine called Wolfram Alpha.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for not sending so many mails

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
There's a link to unsubscribe at the bottom of this mail. Click on it,
and follow the instructions and you won't recieve any more mails.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Programs Additional IRC: Thursday March 22nd @ 9pm IST(Open House) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Aditya Sengupta
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:41, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here you go:
 Maybe this is just with me, I don't have a great audience on Twitter, and
 I doubt it if anyone else has tried this:

 Take the case of Actor Siddharth. His article on enwiki used to say
 Siddharth Narayan. He tweeted out [Verified account] saying that his name
 was Siddharth Suryanarayan and not Narayan. User:FilmLover1426 changed the
 name but when it came to moving the page, she told me, I need to contact
 some one to have it changed, inspite of me telling her, she could do it
 herself. Then, there came an issue of Reliable sources, she argued that the
 tweets would be sufficient.

 Another case, this time more successsful, would be of the Bangalore
 Helicopter pictures. I found it on Twitter, got in touch with the fellow
 who uploaded, but got no result. But then, a friend of his, who accompanied
 him on the ride, had uploaded to FlickR, and thanks to a mail sent by me,
 AroundTheGlobe and AshLin, he released his images under CC-BY-SA.

 I'd concentrate more on socio-economic forums online than Twitter for
 getting new people to Wikipedia.

 Getting Wikipedians to Twitter is easy, the reverse is a bit tough.


Thank you.

This body of data is fascinatingly insightful. I should hope the foundation
folks are taking notes. I will ensure I represent this point about the
consequences of social media personally with the greatest intensity I can
gather to the appropriate foundation folks during my next trip to Delhi.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Programs Additional IRC: Thursday March 22nd @ 9pm IST(Open House) (#wikimedia-office)

2012-03-29 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
While I don't know about the Foundation folks, several editors have
already contacted me on this matter and have taken notes. Who knows,
we may just have to change our approach.

-- 
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-del] [Wikimedia-I]Wiki Workshop at JIIT, Noida

2012-03-29 Thread Piyush Aggarwal
Great, do join us there, it'll be really great if you can come.

Thanks,
Piyush

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Kinshuk Sunil kinshuksu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Aweomse! I'd like to help with anything that needs doing.

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Piyush Aggarwal 
 me.piyushaggar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings Everyone,

 Wikipedia has been invited by Jaypee Institute of Information
 Technology, 
 Noidahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaypee_Institute_of_Information_Technology
  (JIIT,
 Noida) to conduct a workshop during their annual fest 
 Impressionshttp://impressions12.com/index.html.
 There will be a session on the 31st of March (Saturday). The agenda
 includes explaining the Basics of Wikipedia, 5 Pillars, Few Policies,
 Anatomy of an article, Basic editing etc.

 Here is the link to the event:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop/Delhi_Workshop_5

 If you'd like to help out please add your details here:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Workshop/Delhi_Workshop_5#Facilitators

 Apologies for sending this mail so late, got caught up in work.

 Cheers,
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