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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

2015-04-18 Thread Jayantilal Kothari

Hello WMIN  WLF team,

I suggest you to involve people from other communities who have organized
such events earlier.

I can help you with few names.

Ravishankar from Tamil Community

Naveen Francis and Kartik Nadar from Wiki Loves Monument.

Shantanu Chandra from Bengali Community.

Biswarup Ganguly  who has 25000 plus edits on Commons.

*I also suggest everyone to not entertain people like Srikanth on this
list. *

Srikanth has no interest in Wikimedia India Chapter and that's why he
resigned from the EC.

He left the chapter in crisis. I still remember the thread WMIN EC in
Minority which Srikanth started on the mailing list. (You can check the
archives and you'll get to know what I'm talking about)

He along with his 2 friends (also Ex EC members) strategically stepped down
from the EC on the face of the previous elections and wanted to dissolve
the WMIN Chapter. Thanks to people like Viswa, Sudhanwa, Jayanta, Ekbal 
Nikita who saved the chapter at that time.

Good luck for the event.

Best Wishes,
Jayantilal

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Sanket Oswal sankos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Dhaval,

 We apologize for not responding on your query on commons. If you see the
 history on the discussion page, each and every question has been answered
 by some or the other volunteer for WLF. I don't know how we missed it.

 Regarding your question about why Wikimedia India is concerned, I suggest
 you to check the word 'India' in Wikimedia India. As a chapter of India,
 WMIN has a focus to involve each and every language community.

 I don't see any harm if the organizers of the event calls one of the
 volunteers. Also, you should understand that this is a community led event
  we would want the volunteers to initiate discussions in their respective
 language groups.

 Thanks,
 Sanket Oswal

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I also concur that the prize money should  be token for a pilot with 50
 participants.

 Also I have also suggested on the wiki that this is not related to
 language but states.

 Please do  take into account  wider feedback from this email trail into
 account.

 Good luck for the pilot.

 Regards
 Arun
 On 15-Apr-2015 09:29, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
 money can be spent on better things imho.

 On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  You can find all the details related to the event here
 
  The link at 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Food
  states ...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
  participate and donate their photos to Commons.  Are prizes being
  handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
  or, as an enticement?
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

2015-04-18 Thread Jayantilal Kothari

+1 Arnav



On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello everyone,

  As Wikipedians, I'm not sure how many support Net Neutrality, but as
 Netizens I'm sure most of them are supporting Net Neutrality.

 I'd certainly like to use {citation needed} here, but let's give it a pass
 for now ;)

  I do recollect how Wikipedia helped protest against SOPA and PIPA. I
 think this kind of protest will help the maximum community of Netizens as
 whole. Also, as Indian Wikipedians, we would grab some eyballs which would
 have impact on contributions to Wikimedia projects as well.

 Firstly, SOPA/PIPA is not equal to net neutrality debate going on in
 India. Secondly, sopa/pipa was for the US where WMF is registered and run
 the servers from.

 And grab some eyeballs is certainly not a justification to run site wide
 banners misguiding people.
 What sort of impact on contributions are you even suggesting of getting
 out from this? Do you even have any statistics on the rise of number of
 contributions on Wikimedia projects after sopa blackout?

 
  I think Wikipedia, especially the English community should initiate a
 discussion on how the community and contribute to create an impact in
 India.

 Sure, allow the internet to penetrate the Indian market.

 
 
  Please note: Wikipedia Zero and Airtel Zero (just as an example) is all
 together a different concept; where the first focuses on on giving
 educational right to individuals and later to promote business of their
 partners by various means (speeding their partners site, slowing down
 competitors site and so on).

 I certainly need citation here, which telecom company has slowed down the
 competitors site? If they want to speed their partners site, they certainly
 could, because its their private property. Also these providers fear the
 impact of loosing a customer segment if they start fast laning select sites
 and services only.

  Just imagine a day a paid encyclopedia loads faster in all ISPs then
 Wikipedia. Do we want to see such a day?

 Seriously? Wikipedia is where it is today because of the successful
 disruptive model, everyone (I assume) knows this! Can you even name one
 encyclopedia and one isp who would even think to implement what you wrote
 above? If any telecom company even did so, they sure would be running out
 of business.

 Regards,
 Arnav.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

2015-04-18 Thread Karthik Nadar

Hi Arnav,

Thanks for your inputs. I just shared my points and just wanted to know
what all are thinking about the same.

Would just like to defend my point as I have not explained it properly
(again my own views): By grabbing eyeballs, its not only about to increase
editors, its also about readership.

Thanks again Arnav. Your views are valid as well :)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A certain Jayantilal Kothari on this list

2015-04-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan

Yohann,
apologies if I've offended you. I'm not accusing the Pune community. Do
remember, I'm also part of the Pune community now.

Since this person chose to generalise things, I also chose to generalise as
such open trolling and blatant mudslinging happened when the Pune Club was
mentioned back in 2013. However, the past is the past.

My only point is, such trolls should not be encouraged. This said user is
the same user who says people like me should not be entertained. I've been
part of this list since 2008, a time, when quite a lot of people here did
not even know what the Edit Button was.
The same user in the past has made scathing remarks against me and Moksh:

Dear Moksh!
You have a 3 months baby which means you were already execpting a child a
year ago. It was not a natural calaminity or something like that which
occured suddenly. Having 3 months old baby is just a fake reason behind
your resignation. I haven't seen any work or activity done by you or your
EC in your tenure till date.

Regards,
Jayantilal.

here
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2014-September/011624.html

If such users come to this public list to blast hard working users [yes, I
consider myself hard working as far as Wiki is concerned, both offline and
online], then there is no need for them to be here. Our contributions speak
volumes for themselves, and mine, be it on en.wikipedia, commons, or
wikidata speak more than some anonymous troll who sends out a mail with a
singular +1 attached to it.

Apologies for the whole Pune thing. That was wrong for me to have said.
However, I repeat, such trolls need to be blocked if the sanity and quality
of this mailing list it to be maintained.

On 18 April 2015 at 23:21, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote:

+1 Rohini. I completely agree with you.

But @srikanth, I am disappointed saddened from the fact that you are
indirectly accusing that this person(who I have never heard of I
guarantee is not from Pune Community) is from Pune community. It is totally
incorrect of you to blame any community without any proof.

Are you trying to say that anyone who criticizes you is from Pune
Community??

PS.
As being a current EC member, I strongly object oppose any kind of
mudslinging on past as well as current EC members. The integrity of this
chapter is of my utmost importance.

On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Rohini Lakshané rohini.laksh...@gmail.com
wrote:

I agree with Srikanth, and urge the moderators to enforce a policy to
deal with ad homimen attacks on this list.

Kothari's problem seems to be with Srikanth's (and other former EC
members') past actions and not with the suggestions and comments Srikanth
has made about Wiki Loves Food. Bringing up a bona fide member's real or
perceived bad karma from the past only derails the conversation and does
not nothing constructive for the community.

Rohini Lakshané
about.me/rohini
[image: Rohini Lakshané on about.me]
http://about.me/rohini

2015-04-18 18:19 GMT+05:30 Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com:

There is certain Jayantilal Kothari on this list, possibly a member of
the Wikimedia Pune Club who is now spewing venom against me.
As far as I know, this avcount ahs only been trolling in the past.
The account says people like must NOT be entertained on this list.
*MIGHT I REMIND YOU JAYANTILAL KOTHARI, THAT I HAVE BEEN A WIKIMEDIAN
FOR 10 YEARS, HAVE THOUSANDS OF CONTRIBUTIONS BOTH ONLINE AND OFFLINE so I
AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PIPE DOWN.*

I have not seen you contribute to Wiki, who are you to talk about me?

I resigned from the chapter for multiple reasons, including dilly
dallying during Ravi's hiring. Yes, I did send a mail about the minority
EC, so that the GoK might have handled the situation which might have
helped the chapter. You do not know me, or my contributions to the
movement, so YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT ME AND MY INTEREST In the
Chapter.
I don't want to stoop to the level of saying Shut up, but should the
matter escalate, I will do so.

Yes, yes, thanks to certain people who saved the chapter. You have no
clue what was happening then, so don't bother.
PRanav and Moksh's stepping down was also for personal reasons there is
no reason to drag all three of us into this.

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Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce
back.

Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore:

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A certain Jayantilal Kothari on this list

2015-04-18 Thread Yohann Thomas

+1 Rohini. I completely agree with you.

Are you trying to say that anyone who criticizes you is from Pune
Community??

PS.
As being a current EC member, I strongly object oppose any kind of
mudslinging on past as well as current EC members. The integrity of this
chapter is of my utmost importance.

On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Rohini Lakshané rohini.laksh...@gmail.com
wrote:

I agree with Srikanth, and urge the moderators to enforce a policy to deal
with ad homimen attacks on this list.

Rohini Lakshané
about.me/rohini
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http://about.me/rohini

2015-04-18 18:19 GMT+05:30 Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com
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There is certain Jayantilal Kothari on this list, possibly a member of
the Wikimedia Pune Club who is now spewing venom against me.
As far as I know, this avcount ahs only been trolling in the past.
The account says people like must NOT be entertained on this list.
*MIGHT I REMIND YOU JAYANTILAL KOTHARI, THAT I HAVE BEEN A WIKIMEDIAN FOR
10 YEARS, HAVE THOUSANDS OF CONTRIBUTIONS BOTH ONLINE AND OFFLINE so I AM
GOING TO ASK YOU TO PIPE DOWN.*

I have not seen you contribute to Wiki, who are you to talk about me?

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Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore:

https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A certain Jayantilal Kothari on this list

2015-04-18 Thread Karthik Nadar

+1 Rohini.

I think all points raised by Srikanth and everyone is valid on Wiki Loves
Food discussion thread. Srikanth was not the only one, it included me,
Sudanwa, Dhaval. All of them were just curious and want to see all goes
well before the contest goes live.

No one should have rights to say to the community to ignore someone's
queries raised because (it has) some emotions that some one has taken so
much of time and efforts to understand what exactly is happening and by
asking, he would alert is there needs any correction.
On 18-Apr-2015 11:21 pm, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com wrote: