Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India members
Hi Yohann, Thanks for the response. I agree with Ashwin, though it is not mandated by the by-laws, it can be done in respect of general interest. Also, I don't think there should be privacy concerns if you are just mentioning the membership ID and the person's name. Since these lists are anyways published during the elections, it is no harm to keep a *lively* list of members. Also personally, it would be great to have their respective Wikimedia usernames if possible (or only membership numbers and usernames can also be good if revealing real names is a privacy concern). It is actually even better than real names. It solves the privacy thing, and also since WMIN is a Wikimedia affiliate, it would be good to see who have the voting rights during elections. Generally, almost all the major elections (board, stewards, RfAs, ArbCom etc.) require the users to have a minimum edit count (300 global edits, and 50 global edits in the last 12 months, if I am not mistaken) to be eligible to vote. I feel that this count is very reasonable to count to ask for, to make sure that the voters have knowledge of Wikimedia. It doesn't feel right to let non-Wikimedians to vote, because they may not have an idea of how the Wikimedia works. It is good to have such rules even for candidates. This is my personal opinion and would like to hear other community members' thoughts on this. Regards, Krishna [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015#Requirements [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards/Elections_2018/Guidelines#Voters [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:5-minute_guide_to_ArbCom_elections#Voting_process On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:51 PM Ashwin Baindur wrote: > Dear Yohann, > > I do understand that you may not want to make the list publicly available > but most organisations have lists of members which are made available to > them. By claiming it's not in the article of memorandum is absurd. We are > not the Freemasons or a secret society that this kind of reply is being > made. Common sense says that articles of memorandum cannot lay down > everything that is to be done or to say that since it's not in the > memorandum, it should not be expected. This kind of reply, though you are > trying to be helpful instead comes across as if that someone knowing who is > a member of chapter is a secret thing. This fortress mentality makes it > look like you have things to hide. Just because a chapter is registered > under some body or the other doesn't mean that the members are to be kept > in the dark about almost everything. > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:19 PM Yohann Thomas wrote: > >> >> Dear one & all >> >> >> >> I would like to thank you for taking out time out of your busy schedules >> & getting involved in the affairs of the chapters, members or otherwise. >> Having said that, I would also invite you & everyone else to fill up >> Wikimedia Chapter(India) membership forms available in this link along >> with FAQs(http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Membership-FAQ). Also, pls email to >> chap...@wikimedia.in , in case of any queries. >> >> >> >> Wikimedia Chapter(India) which is registered under Karnataka Societies >> Act, 1960 is governed by rules, procedures, legislations and jurisdictions >> within the Republic of India. >> >> >> >> Wikimedia Chapter(India) submits its annual report to the registrar >> office for the Karnataka society every financial year beginning 1st April >> till 31st March. Wikimedia Chapter(India) also submits a copy of the report >> to Wikimedia Foundation(WMF), San Francisco, United States of America (USA) >> as per the Chapter Agreement. Wikimedia Chapter(India) is the national >> affiliate for WMF in India. >> >> >> >> Based on Election rules & Precedence, Wikimedia Chapter(India) releases >> the list of names for all its then members along with their Membership no >> ,so that it becomes convenient for the members who are not in Bangalore, to >> cast their postal ballots. >> >> >> >> In my previously mentioned annual reports , the no. of members & their >> geographic distribution is released every financial year. Having said that >> Wikimedia Chapter(India) would be happy to hear on further suggestions from >> its members and also the larger Indian community on the topic of >> membership. I feel that I should remind the community that , since the >> Wikimedia Chapter(India) has no staff, it will take time for updating >> membership records, since many membership forms are directly sent to our >> Office to Bangalore. >> >> >> >> Even though, it is nowhere mentioned in our Memorandum of Association >> (MoA) about publishing & updating information of our members on a regular >> basis, Wikimedia Chapter(India) may require to inform its members >> beforehand while they apply for membership, on disclosing their personal >> information as per requirement. >> >> >> I have shared a link, where i am inviting all community members to >> discuss & give suggestions to the Wik
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India members
Dear Yohann, I do understand that you may not want to make the list publicly available but most organisations have lists of members which are made available to them. By claiming it's not in the article of memorandum is absurd. We are not the Freemasons or a secret society that this kind of reply is being made. Common sense says that articles of memorandum cannot lay down everything that is to be done or to say that since it's not in the memorandum, it should not be expected. This kind of reply, though you are trying to be helpful instead comes across as if that someone knowing who is a member of chapter is a secret thing. This fortress mentality makes it look like you have things to hide. Just because a chapter is registered under some body or the other doesn't mean that the members are to be kept in the dark about almost everything. On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:19 PM Yohann Thomas wrote: > > Dear one & all > > > > I would like to thank you for taking out time out of your busy schedules & > getting involved in the affairs of the chapters, members or otherwise. > Having said that, I would also invite you & everyone else to fill up > Wikimedia Chapter(India) membership forms available in this link along > with FAQs(http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Membership-FAQ). Also, pls email to > chap...@wikimedia.in , in case of any queries. > > > > Wikimedia Chapter(India) which is registered under Karnataka Societies > Act, 1960 is governed by rules, procedures, legislations and jurisdictions > within the Republic of India. > > > > Wikimedia Chapter(India) submits its annual report to the registrar > office for the Karnataka society every financial year beginning 1st April > till 31st March. Wikimedia Chapter(India) also submits a copy of the report > to Wikimedia Foundation(WMF), San Francisco, United States of America (USA) > as per the Chapter Agreement. Wikimedia Chapter(India) is the national > affiliate for WMF in India. > > > > Based on Election rules & Precedence, Wikimedia Chapter(India) releases > the list of names for all its then members along with their Membership no > ,so that it becomes convenient for the members who are not in Bangalore, to > cast their postal ballots. > > > > In my previously mentioned annual reports , the no. of members & their > geographic distribution is released every financial year. Having said that > Wikimedia Chapter(India) would be happy to hear on further suggestions from > its members and also the larger Indian community on the topic of > membership. I feel that I should remind the community that , since the > Wikimedia Chapter(India) has no staff, it will take time for updating > membership records, since many membership forms are directly sent to our > Office to Bangalore. > > > > Even though, it is nowhere mentioned in our Memorandum of Association > (MoA) about publishing & updating information of our members on a regular > basis, Wikimedia Chapter(India) may require to inform its members > beforehand while they apply for membership, on disclosing their personal > information as per requirement. > > > I have shared a link, where i am inviting all community members to discuss > & give suggestions to the Wikimedia Chapter, on how to further improve the > membership process. > > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Expectations_from_India_chapter/Membership > > > > > Regards, > > Yohann Thomas > > Secretary > > Wikimedia India > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM Subhashish Panigrahi > wrote: > >> Shouldn't it be a list of usernames? I am just curious if those whose >> names and physical locations are published provided consent for the same. >> >> Subha >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Anirudh S. Bhati >> wrote: >> >>> I wasn't aware that voters' list was posted online. I generally don't >>> think that's a good idea, given the privacy of the members. What is the >>> view of WMIN's compliance consultant on this? >>> >>> At the same time, may I ask why many of the founding members are not on >>> that list? I was told that we had lifetime membership without the >>> obligation to pay dues. I don't mind paying dues personally, but since I >>> have been away for quite some time, it's not convenient to fill up a form, >>> send it and also transfer the funds. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: >>> This raises a question in my mind whether Wikimedia India Chapter is still functional? There is a number of reasons to believe it is not, 1. we are still waiting a respinse from WMIN president on a separate concern raised, 2. Members list has not been updated for 2 years 3. No one from the chapter seems to be caring to respond, etc... Am I the only one having this question in mind? Regards, Dhaval Vyas On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 16:49 Ashwin Baindur, wrote: > I had applied for membership of the Chapter but am yet to receive > confirmation. Requesting Sanket to tell me whether I am
[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India membership process Discussion
Dear Community Taking forward the discussion on the Membership Process on a separate thread, Wikimedia Chapter (India) is inviting members to discuss & suggest ways to improve the current Membership process.Please find the discussion link below http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Expectations_from_India_chapter/Membership Regards, Yohann Thomas Secretary Wikimedia India ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India members
Dear one & all I would like to thank you for taking out time out of your busy schedules & getting involved in the affairs of the chapters, members or otherwise. Having said that, I would also invite you & everyone else to fill up Wikimedia Chapter(India) membership forms available in this link along with FAQs(http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Membership-FAQ). Also, pls email to chap...@wikimedia.in , in case of any queries. Wikimedia Chapter(India) which is registered under Karnataka Societies Act, 1960 is governed by rules, procedures, legislations and jurisdictions within the Republic of India. Wikimedia Chapter(India) submits its annual report to the registrar office for the Karnataka society every financial year beginning 1st April till 31st March. Wikimedia Chapter(India) also submits a copy of the report to Wikimedia Foundation(WMF), San Francisco, United States of America (USA) as per the Chapter Agreement. Wikimedia Chapter(India) is the national affiliate for WMF in India. Based on Election rules & Precedence, Wikimedia Chapter(India) releases the list of names for all its then members along with their Membership no ,so that it becomes convenient for the members who are not in Bangalore, to cast their postal ballots. In my previously mentioned annual reports , the no. of members & their geographic distribution is released every financial year. Having said that Wikimedia Chapter(India) would be happy to hear on further suggestions from its members and also the larger Indian community on the topic of membership. I feel that I should remind the community that , since the Wikimedia Chapter(India) has no staff, it will take time for updating membership records, since many membership forms are directly sent to our Office to Bangalore. Even though, it is nowhere mentioned in our Memorandum of Association (MoA) about publishing & updating information of our members on a regular basis, Wikimedia Chapter(India) may require to inform its members beforehand while they apply for membership, on disclosing their personal information as per requirement. I have shared a link, where i am inviting all community members to discuss & give suggestions to the Wikimedia Chapter, on how to further improve the membership process. http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Expectations_from_India_chapter/Membership Regards, Yohann Thomas Secretary Wikimedia India On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:03 PM Subhashish Panigrahi wrote: > Shouldn't it be a list of usernames? I am just curious if those whose > names and physical locations are published provided consent for the same. > > Subha > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:49 PM Anirudh S. Bhati > wrote: > >> I wasn't aware that voters' list was posted online. I generally don't >> think that's a good idea, given the privacy of the members. What is the >> view of WMIN's compliance consultant on this? >> >> At the same time, may I ask why many of the founding members are not on >> that list? I was told that we had lifetime membership without the >> obligation to pay dues. I don't mind paying dues personally, but since I >> have been away for quite some time, it's not convenient to fill up a form, >> send it and also transfer the funds. >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: >> >>> This raises a question in my mind whether Wikimedia India Chapter is >>> still functional? There is a number of reasons to believe it is not, >>> >>> 1. we are still waiting a respinse from WMIN president on a separate >>> concern raised, >>> 2. Members list has not been updated for 2 years >>> 3. No one from the chapter seems to be caring to respond, etc... >>> >>> Am I the only one having this question in mind? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dhaval Vyas >>> >>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 16:49 Ashwin Baindur, >>> wrote: >>> I had applied for membership of the Chapter but am yet to receive confirmation. Requesting Sanket to tell me whether I am a member or not as yet. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 8:42 AM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I see that the last update on the list of members was in March 2017 > (for Elections 2016), published as the list of eligible voters for the > election. The list is at > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections_2016/Eligible_Voters_List. But the > list has not been updated after that. Many of these must have been expired > by now (considering these from 2016). > > Also, an actual members' list is nowhere to be found on WMIN Wiki. As > Bodhi said, I feel that there should be somewhere on the Wiki, and it > needs > to be updated regularly. > > Best, > Krishna > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:02 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal < > bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am interested to know, who are the current members of Wikimedia >> India and since when are they members? If there is a list, please shar
