Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Programs Additional IRC: Thursday March 22nd @ 9pm IST(Open House) (#wikimedia-office)

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:41, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here you go:
> Maybe this is just with me, I don't have a great audience on Twitter, and
> I doubt it if anyone else has tried this:
>
> Take the case of Actor Siddharth. His article on enwiki used to say
> Siddharth Narayan. He tweeted out [Verified account] saying that his name
> was Siddharth Suryanarayan and not Narayan. User:FilmLover1426 changed the
> name but when it came to moving the page, she told me, "I need to contact
> some one to have it changed", inspite of me telling her, she could do it
> herself. Then, there came an issue of Reliable sources, she argued that the
> tweets would be sufficient.
>
> Another case, this time more successsful, would be of the Bangalore
> Helicopter pictures. I found it on Twitter, got in touch with the fellow
> who uploaded, but got no result. But then, a friend of his, who accompanied
> him on the ride, had uploaded to FlickR, and thanks to a mail sent by me,
> AroundTheGlobe and AshLin, he released his images under CC-BY-SA.
>
> I'd concentrate more on socio-economic forums online than Twitter for
> getting new people to Wikipedia.
>
> Getting Wikipedians to Twitter is easy, the reverse is a bit tough.
>

Thank you.

This body of data is fascinatingly insightful. I should hope the foundation
folks are taking notes. I will ensure I represent this point about the
consequences of social media personally with the greatest intensity I can
gather to the appropriate foundation folks during my next trip to Delhi.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiConference India 2012 - Bootstrap Team

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 14:53,  wrote:

>  1. Report - Pradeep has covered that. Lets not link this to wci 12.
>

Or perhaps there could be a rain check on WCI-12 till the report is out?

So that whoever is working on WCI-12 can learn from past mistakes? And get
stuff correct right at the conception stage?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Programs Additional IRC: Thursday March 22nd @ 9pm IST(Open House) (#wikimedia-office)

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 15:14, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd send it privately as a mil to you alone.
> I did it as a volunteer.
> Remember, the WMF has hired someone to do the same. They may have more
> 'working' ideas.
>

Of course. Of course.

But perhaps an explanation of your very valuable experience on this matter
might help save everyone who is 'working' on these things some time and
effort, no? It would be so helpful of you to do this, so that everyone
involved can say that it is pointless to work on social media efforts
because of such and such reasons; instead of "because Srikanth Ramakrishnan
said so" (I'm sure you are correct, nonetheless).

I beg you send the email to the list for everyone's welfare. So that I am
not alone in learning how to use (or not to use) this Twitter thingy. In
the spirit of Wikipedia and sharing knowledge and all that.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Programs Additional IRC: Thursday March 22nd @ 9pm IST(Open House) (#wikimedia-office)

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 14:37, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Also, let us NOT mix Social Media with Wikipedia. I don't want people
> posing 'Wl u be mai frnd' on my Talk page.
> Social Media and Wikipedia, is a big NONO.
> I realised this back in 2010 when I was trying to use Twitter to get more
> Wikipedians.
>

Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us about how you went about trying
to get more Wikipedians through Twitter?

I suspect that would help the rest of these guys who are trying to use
social media to recruit  more Wikipedians determine whether all of social
media is used only by a bunch of douchebags (who, on finding how awesomely
incredible the community scene is here, will flock to your (and all of our)
Talk pages and post fraandsheep requests (when they find no Wikifraand
button)) so they can quit all their social media efforts

OR

that could perhaps help them determine what they should _not_ do, should
they decide that there are indeed _some_ people who are not douchebags
using social media who have the potential to be recruited to the Wikiverse
(I know- how unlikely)?

Just a thought.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Ads Injected into Wikipedia?

[Aditya Sengupta]

I'm not sure Inkfruit is even aware the DOM injection campaign is even
happening. Possibly a rogue advertising agency; or perhaps the writer of
the virus is using a regular ad-network's API. I'll wait for Kashyap to
comment though, he may be able to identify which agency/network is running
that specific campaign.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 20:13, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
wrote:

> I just saw that screenshot and remembered, even my friend said, it was by
> the same site, inkfruit. Some common issue??
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
> debast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, now that you mention him, even a friend of mine in Pune told me that
>> Wikipedia had started ads, to which I dared him to show me and in fact made
>> a bet. He failed to show me when I asked him to, so I took it as a singular
>> even, perhaps, some sort of mistake he made. However, since other people
>> have started seeing this, I though I'd tell you that he is not alone.
>>
>> I'll ask him further details about his net connection and get back to you
>> guys on this.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the DOM.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman wrote:
>>>
>>>> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in portugese
>>>> wikipedia is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Esplanada/geral/Spam_na_Wikipedia,_problema_%2810mar2012%29&ei=TqlcT9fyMs2rrAe468GlDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CE4Q7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522ads%2Bnot%2Bby%2Bthis%2Bsite%2522%2Binjection%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D6zj%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is currently seeing
>>>>> advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages except the home page). 
>>>>> Here
>>>>> is a link to a screenshot:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I asked him to check
>>>>> through the secure WM server. These advertisements are also not visible to
>>>>> him on any other web page. To the bottom right of each ad, there is some
>>>>> text that says, "ads not by this site". I've taken a quick look through 
>>>>> the
>>>>> page source he forwarded, nothing looks untoward. His right-click menu 
>>>>> does
>>>>> not appear when he right-clicks on the ad.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices Maharashtra
>>>>> Ltd". His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or was, while he accessed this
>>>>> page; I've since had him change his IP address since I'm sharing this 
>>>>> one).
>>>>> I'm not sure if this issue is restricted to Mumbai; since the IP address
>>>>> shows up in Pune when I try to geolocate it (though I understand this is
>>>>> fairly common).
>>>>>
>>>>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is this:
>>>>> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CPM&utm_content=combobanner&utm_campaign=Combo.
>>>>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of Inkfruit since the 
>>>>> campaign
>>>>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the problem (also, I'm not
>>>>> sure if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
>>>>>
>>>>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further questions he
>>>>> could help answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply malware on his
>>>>> machine? If it were the former, what would be the legal status of the
>>>>> issue?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Ads Injected into Wikipedia?

[Aditya Sengupta]

Interesting- a virus that injects ads directly into the DOM.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 19:03, Bala Jeyaraman  wrote:

> mostprobably adware in his machine. A smiliar report in portugese
> wikipedia is here:
>
> http://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%25C3%25A9dia:Esplanada/geral/Spam_na_Wikipedia,_problema_%2810mar2012%29&ei=TqlcT9fyMs2rrAe468GlDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CE4Q7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522ads%2Bnot%2Bby%2Bthis%2Bsite%2522%2Binjection%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D6zj%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
>
>> A friend got in touch with me about this. He is currently seeing
>> advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages except the home page). Here
>> is a link to a screenshot:
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg
>>
>> These advertisements were not visible to him when I asked him to check
>> through the secure WM server. These advertisements are also not visible to
>> him on any other web page. To the bottom right of each ad, there is some
>> text that says, "ads not by this site". I've taken a quick look through the
>> page source he forwarded, nothing looks untoward. His right-click menu does
>> not appear when he right-clicks on the ad.
>>
>> He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices Maharashtra Ltd".
>> His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or was, while he accessed this page; I've
>> since had him change his IP address since I'm sharing this one). I'm not
>> sure if this issue is restricted to Mumbai; since the IP address shows up
>> in Pune when I try to geolocate it (though I understand this is fairly
>> common).
>>
>> The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is this:
>> http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CPM&utm_content=combobanner&utm_campaign=Combo.
>> I'm adding this here and copying the founder of Inkfruit since the campaign
>> data in the URL parameters may help identify the problem (also, I'm not
>> sure if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).
>>
>> I've copied my friend here in case there are further questions he could
>> help answer.
>>
>> Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply malware on his machine?
>> If it were the former, what would be the legal status of the issue?
>>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Ads Injected into Wikipedia?

[Aditya Sengupta]

A friend got in touch with me about this. He is currently seeing
advertisements on Wikipedia pages (on all pages except the home page). Here
is a link to a screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/dhKyR.jpg

These advertisements were not visible to him when I asked him to check
through the secure WM server. These advertisements are also not visible to
him on any other web page. To the bottom right of each ad, there is some
text that says, "ads not by this site". I've taken a quick look through the
page source he forwarded, nothing looks untoward. His right-click menu does
not appear when he right-clicks on the ad.

He is based out of Mumbai and ISP is "Tata Teleservices Maharashtra Ltd".
His IP address is 114.143.88.193 (or was, while he accessed this page; I've
since had him change his IP address since I'm sharing this one). I'm not
sure if this issue is restricted to Mumbai; since the IP address shows up
in Pune when I try to geolocate it (though I understand this is fairly
common).

The link he is directed to when he clicks the ad is this:
http://www.inkfruit.com/combo-landing?utm_source=CMP1002Combo&utm_medium=CPM&utm_content=combobanner&utm_campaign=Combo.
I'm adding this here and copying the founder of Inkfruit since the campaign
data in the URL parameters may help identify the problem (also, I'm not
sure if Inkfruit is aware of this campaign).

I've copied my friend here in case there are further questions he could
help answer.

Could this be a case of DPI by his ISP, or simply malware on his machine?
If it were the former, what would be the legal status of the issue?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community Monthly Report: Feb 2012

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:51, Achal Prabhala  wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday 07 March 2012 03:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
>
>  On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:43, Achal Prabhala > aprabh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>In keeping with this spirit :) and the difficulty of
>>distinguishing between all these roles, I propose a simple purity
>>test:
>>
>>
>> Can you please stop trolling? This is not 
>>
>
>
> Apologies. That was meant as a joke.
>



What? I was halfway through calculating my score. Dammit.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 23:25, Bishakha Datta wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police
>> station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera,
>> and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card.
>>
>
> This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing
> this?
>
> Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some
> ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on
> these:
>
> 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These
> may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe
> a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to
> have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you
> think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all
> ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether
> or not what they are doing is illegal.)
>
> 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being
> applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation -
> is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police
> personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can
> firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law.
>
> 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there
> are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two
> people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav
> called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that P&Co were not
> breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their
> ground'.
>

This is very good advice- and this is precisely what we did at Bombay
House. I engaged the cops while Pranav was on the phone. When Pranav
relayed Bishakha's perspective, that gave us even more confidence to stand
our ground.

A very important thing here is to be firm, but *polite*. Being
confrontational can make things go downhill very fast (I believe they can
arrest you for not cooperating with a police officer). Be as cooperative as
you can (when the police asks you for identification, questions your
background and such), without backing down from your original position.
Steer the conversation towards the issue (and legalities thereof) at hand,
away from your background and motivations. Most important point- Remain
calm and respect the other side- they don't want to have to deal with this
if they can avoid it either. It is surprising how much progress you can
make under such circumstances with a smile on your face. :-)

Finally, concede if you have indeed erred. While photography is rarely
prohibited (except in sensitive government designated areas that are
clearly marked as "Prohibited Area"), the typical offense people are
charged with is trespassing or harassment (thrusting a camera in someone's
face, or not allowing them to walk away). You will find very few legal
restrictions when it comes to photographing things while in a public place
(except when the subject is in an area where they have a reasonable
expectation of privacy- like a public restroom, or using a telephoto lens
from a public space to photograph someone through their window in their
private bedroom). Also remember that (while on public spaces) nobody can
ask you to delete your photographs, or take your camera away. Doing so
would allow you to charge them of coercion and/or theft. A policeman may
seize your camera (if they arrest you, which is unlikely in the first
place), but may not delete your photographs (tampering with evidence). If
you see yourself getting into a confrontation with a private security
guard- as a preemptive measure, call the police first yourself.

Ignore any or all of the above advice if you are being physically harmed.
Focus on personal safety first.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Report on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II

[Aditya Sengupta]

Harriet,

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:32, Outofindia  wrote:

>
> Sounds like a fun time was had by all.
>
> A question:
> Is there anyway of finding out in advance what buildings are considered to
> have have "Security fears"?
>
>
Yes- if there is a yellow board that declares the building as a "Prohibited
Area", you are not allowed to photograph such buildings. We saw quite a few
of these buildings- such as the RBI building. These boards are required to
be registered with the police/government, so it isn't like anyone can put
them up.

Everything else is fair game- as long as you are not trespassing on their
property (which we weren't) or harassing them (we were super nice and
polite with the Bombay House folks as well as the police- so this wasn't a
problem either).


>
> Warm regards
>
> Harriet
> Still in NYC.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Harriet Vidyasagar
>
> www.outofindia.net
>
> www.womenofindia.net
>
> INDIA: 91-99011 66276
>
> USA: 1-301-649-2240
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Anshuman Fotedar <
> anshuman.fote...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!  This is a short note on Wikipedia Takes Mumbai II.  Forty
>> people turned up near the Oval Maidan at Churchgate at 8 am yesterday. The
>> landmarks that were photographed included the Babulnath Temple, Nehru
>> Science Centre, Opera House, St Thomas Cathedral, INS Vikrant and Yazdani
>> Bakery. After the photos had been clicked many of the participants
>> proceeded to Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, TIFR where they were
>> shown how to upload to Commons using both the usual upload process and by
>> using the mediawiki-uploader mass upload script.
>>
>> Nikita Belavate and Karthik Nadar put in a lot of work into the event.
>> They helped many people contribute to the Commons while having a good time,
>> and they deserve praise for making all of this happen.
>>
>> Our heartfelt gratitude to Pranav Curumsey, Vickram Crishna, Dr
>> Nagarjuna, Noopur Raval and Moksh Juneja for all the help and mentoring.
>> Thanks to Shrinivasan T for mediawiki-uploader :) And apologies if I missed
>> anyone out.
>>
>> Do visit our maintenance category 
>> WTM<http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:WTM>,
>> specially created for the event. 313 pictures have been uploaded so far.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Anshuman Fotedar
>>
>> PS:
>>
>> 1.
>> During the photowalk, some of the participants who were taking pictures
>> of Bombay House were interrupted by private security personnel and asked to
>> handover their cameras so that the pictures could be removed. Pranav
>> and Aditya Sengupta, who were among them, peacefully put forth the fact
>> that they were not not breaking any laws by photographing the structure
>> from the outside since it was not a legally protected one. They were
>> standing on the road, and not trespassing. To resolve the matter, Aditya,
>> Pranav and Krutikaa Jawanjal accompanied the security personnel to the
>> police station where they explained that they were within their rights to
>> do what they did, and that citizens of the country need not take prior
>> permission to take exterior photographs of private property that was not
>> accorded legal protection. The PSI on duty made a noting in his station
>> diary and informed us that Bombay House has security fears, which is why
>> one should speak to their bosses before taking pictures, but agreed with
>> them per se that there is no law that prohibits people from taking pictures
>> there.
>>
>> 2.
>> The group that went to Bombay House (and subsequently to Yazdani Bakery,
>> St. Thomas Cathedral) and other places  was delayed owing to the incident
>> at Bombay House and discovered serendipitously that entry to INS Vikrant
>> was open. Covering Vikrant took a while, adding to the delay. Consequently
>> they (this includes me) never reached HBCSE but uploaded from home
>> instead. Although we did get several good contributions from the
>> participants in this group as well, I do recognise that it may have been
>> nice if we could have joined in with the participants who uploaded together
>> at HBCSE. I apologise.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outreach opportunities: Wikipedia workshops at tech fests

[Aditya Sengupta]

Bishakha and I did a short session at VJTI during the previous edition of
the technical festival. Money never came up.

The kinds of places that are going to ask for money for these specific
activities are the kinds of places you do not want to do these
workshops/sessions at in the first place- a very clear and simple filter.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 18:57, Pratik Lahoti  wrote:

> Hey Gunit,
>
> Its not all about sponsorship. We got a stall for free at the CMDA IT Expo
> as well.
> Infact, I just had a chat yesterday with one of my friends from Cummins
> College of Engineering for Women regarding the outreach activities and she
> was asking me how much do they have to pay to us for the workshop if it was
> organized in their college during the fest. Clearly, people don't expect
> any money from us. Infact, they are ready to pay us :P
>
> We can conduct workshops, if a stall is not possible. And the ultimate aim
> is to spread the word about Wikipedia.
>
> --Pratik Lahoti.
> User:BPositive
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outreach opportunities: Wikipedia workshops at tech fests

[Aditya Sengupta]

IITB's Techfest just got over. VJTI's (Mumbai) festival (Technovanza) is
from Feb 3rd to 5th (I can connect here- ping me offline). UDCT's festival
(Exergy) is going on (Jan 19 to 22). Thadomal Sahani has something on 4th
Feb, but this seems to be limited to biomed.

Most other major college tech fests in Mumbai will happen next semester (S
P Jain, D J Sanghvi, etc).

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 14:54, Nitika  wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> There are over 20 Tech fests that are being conducted by several
> institutes across India over the next 2 months. I'm sure my list is not
> completely exhaustive and I might have missed a few. I was wondering if any
> of you know friends, family members, faculty members, students,
> administrators associated with any of the following organisations who might
> be able to help us out in participating or getting a slot for a Wiki stall
> or a workshop during these tech fests?
>
> These fests might prove to be a brilliant opportunity for us to do massive
> outreach programs. I am assuming, to be on a conservative side, that each
> fest has a footfall of minimum 1000 participants. Even if we are able to
> take part in say 10 such events during the next 2 months, that means we
> have the opportunity to create awareness about Wikipedia amongst at least
> 10,000 more people.
>
> Fests scheduled for next few months are as under:
>
> Tech Fests January
>
>1. Elan 2012 Techno Cultural Fest January 2012 IIT Hyderabad Andhra
>Pradesh
>2. WISSENAIRE 12 Techno Management Fest January 20-22nd 2012 IIT
>Bhubaneshwar Orissa
>3. Techkriti 12, IIT Kanpur, Technical Fest, Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh,
>January 27-30 2012
>4. Threshold 12 Management Fest January 30-31st 2012 Jain University
>Centre for Management Studies Bangalore Karnataka
>5. Electrocom 12 Technical Fest January 20-21st 2012 KITS Warangal
>Andhra Pradesh
>6. Quark 12 Technical Fest January 27-28th 2012 TGPCET Nagpur
>Maharashtra
>7. Dhrishyaa 12 Techno Management Fest January 24-25th 2012 Alagappa
>Colleg Of Technology Chennai Tamil Nadu
>8. INctf 12 Technical Fest January 29th 2012 Amrita University Kollam
>Kerala
>9. E-Summit 2012, Entrepreneurship Festival, IIT Bombay, Mumbai,
>Maharashtra, January 28-29 2012
>
>
> Tech Fests in February
>
>1. iTechRoots 3.0 12 Technical Fest February 9-11th 2012 YCCE Nagpur
>Maharashtra
>2. Vidyut 12 Techno Management Fest February 1-3rd 2012 Amrita Vishwa
>Vidyapeetham Amritapuri Kerala
>3. Prajwalan 12 Technical Fest February 18-20th 2012 Government
>College of Engineering Amaravati Maharashtra
>4. Arghya 12 Technical Fest February 2012 MBES College of Engineering
>Ambajogai Maharashtra
>5. Kurukshetra 12 Techno Management Fest February 1-4th 2012 Colllege
>of Engineering Guindy Anna University Chennai Tamil Nadu
>6. Felicity 12 Techno Cultural Fest February 17-19th 2012 IIIT
>Hyderabad Andhra Pradesh
>7. INSEAT 12 Technical Fest February 11th 2012 VIT University Vellore
>Tamil Nadu
>8. FootPrints X2 Technical Fest February 24-26th 2012 Maharaja
>Sayajirao University Baroda Gujarat
>9. Dhrishyaa 12 Techno Management Fest January 24-25th 2012 Alagappa
>Colleg Of Technology Chennai Tamil Nadu
>10. Anwesha 12, Techno Cultural Fest, IIT Patna, Patna, Bihar,
>February 24-26 2012
>11. Varchas 2012, Sports Festival, IIT Rajasthan, Jodhpur, Rajasthan,
>February 9-12 2012
>
>
> Tech Fests in March
>
>1. Apogee 12 Technical Fest March 16-20th 2012 BITS Pilani Rajasthan
>2. Radiance 2012, IIT Bombay, Mechanical Fest, Powai, Mumbai,
>Maharashtra, March 3-4 2012
>3. Convergence 2012, Technical Fest, IIT Bombay, Mumbai, Maharashtra,
>March 2012
>4. Cognizance 2012, IIT Roorkee, Technical Fest, Roorkee, Uttarakhand,
>March 23-25 2012
>
>
> If you have a contact and want someone to follow up with people in these
> institutes, I'll be more than happy to do that. Lets try and do as many
> outreach programs during these fests as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Nitika
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Workshop Mumbai 2

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 17:15, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 17:11, Aditya Sengupta wrote:
>
>> I have three suggestions for inclusion here, based on recent experiences:
>> copyrights/copyvio, notability; and some emphasis on verifiability.
>>
>
> CoI is much much more important in this context.
>
>
> I'd have said CoI would have been more tan sufficient had I been asked
this a couple of months ago- but no, the problems are more fundamental.
Quite often, it is not clear to them that an entity should not have a page
in the first place; when they put up a page, they often simply copy text
right over from a press release or the client's website; and the sources
used (if at all) are usually first/second party.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Workshop Mumbai 2

[Aditya Sengupta]

Controversial perhaps- but I think it's pretty important they learn the
principles here.

I am aware of quite a few PR and SMM agencies that edit Wikipedia and they
are generally quite unaware about the principles- and end up being a bigger
burden than they would otherwise have been had they known the process ahead
of time.

I welcome this endeavour by P. and Moksh.

I have three suggestions for inclusion here, based on recent experiences:
copyrights/copyvio, notability; and some emphasis on verifiability.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 13:07, Pradeep Mohandas
wrote:

> hi,
>
> The editing of Wikipedia by PR and social media agencies has been
> controversial. It might raise eyebrows that you're going to inform
> them how to edit Wikipedia. However, they will learn to edit even
> without Wikipedian help. I think it is better to engage than to shy
> away.
>
> Also, suggest that some or all of them who attend the Workshop be
> invited for the city meetups and even join the mailing lists.
>
> Pradeep
> User:.Prad2609
>
> Handheld
>
> On 03/01/2012, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is to inform you that Moksh and I have been invited to conduct a
> > one hour workshop this Friday, 6 January 2012 at Text100, a PR firm (who
> > were media
> > partners at WCI 2011). This will be at their Mumbai office and will be
> > relayed live to all their offices across India and possibly other
> > countries as well.
> >
> >
> > We will be talking about the Wikipedia Philosophy/5 Pillars,
> > Reliable sources, editing tutorial and COI - what to avoid etc. Any
> > suggestions on other inclusions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Pradeep Mohandas
> How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 20:17, Pradeep Mohandas  wrote:

>
> Someone suggested OLPC folks. We might be interested in approaching such
> folks as well.
>


I imagine this is happening too. I saw an OLPC being demoed at the
WikiConference (by Harriet Vidyasagar, I think?).
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An Offline Wikipedia for the Aakaash Tablet?

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:28, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aakash is basically an Android tablet. So if we create an offline version
> of Wikipedia for all Android devices, [India specific], I guess that should
> do? Right?


This version of Aakash uses Android- the one that Datawind is making for
the first pilot run (100,000 devices).

The next version of Aakash will *likely* use Android too. There is no
guarantee that Datawind will make that version- the price point will be
determined by a government bidding process and multiple manufacturers (all
those who pass the technical evaluation) will be invited to manufacture and
sell tablets at that price point- on a "rate card contract" system.

There are efforts underway to port Debian to the tablet, as some folks at
the IITs/MHRD aren't too happy with the reliance on Google. The current
version does not have the Android Market- despite talks with Google. This
shouldn't be a problem for Wikipedia-offline for the tablet though, since
that will be FOSS.

Jessie has spoken to the professor from IITB (Kannan Moudgalya) who is on
the standing committee of the National Mission on Education through ICT
(under which the Aakash project, among others, falls). She has also spoken
to the CEO of one of the other manufacturers- Datawind is only one of many
companies that are bidding for this project- they won the bid for the pilot
run. I have not been following this project for the past two weeks or so
(since the WikiConference)- the bidding for the second version of Aakash
was on at the time. I'm not aware of what the current status is. I'll be
visiting IITB during Scipy this weekend, so I'll know more then.

About offline-Wikipedia, work has already commenced on porting Kiwix to
Android (3 weeks ago by Emmanuel, IIRC).

tl;dr: The foundation is talking to folks behind the Aakash tablet.

@Hisham, Jessie: Any updates on getting the sample tablets from the
manufacturer?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 13:09, Achal Prabhala  wrote:

> The number (and the total inconsistency with how many people actually
> protested) comes from here:
>
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/protest-against-wrong-map-mars-countrys-first-wiki-conference/877826/0
>
> in which it simultaneously describes "hundreds of protesters" *and* that
> "all 21 who protested were arrested".
>
> Go figure.
>
> The article that's been created out of the controversy is a storm in a
> teacup (and as such is hardly notable) but the storm was so small it was
> barely noticeable - and would have stayed that way except for the
> misreporting of it.
>


I must say I was slightly disappointed at the size of the protest. We heard
the protest begin, we went around asking all attendees standing outside to
enter the convocation hall; by the time we reached the gate from the lawns,
the protesters had already been swept into a police van and were about to
leave.

To be fair, they were far outnumbered by the police.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the issue of the maps...

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:11, Shiju Alex  wrote:

> And there is an en wikipedia article also on this topic:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_youth_wing_protest_against_Wikipedia%27s_map_of_India
>
>
"Over 100 protesters were present on the opening day of the first Wiki
Conference India "?

If this is indeed true, this was the most unfortunate morcha I've (barely)
seen.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:10, Subhashish Panigrahi
wrote:

> This is indeed a great success, First India chapter registration, then
> first office outside US in Delhi, 1st India WikiConference and then this.
> Hopng for the best success.
>
>

Just curious- How do the activities and operations of the trust, the office
and the chapter relate to each other and are different from each other?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You can't copy-paste this homework

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 16:27, Gautam John  wrote:

> On 10 September 2011 16:23, Bala Jeyaraman  wrote:
>
> > last week in a conversation in jimbowales talk page in en wiki, jimmy
> said
> > he and coren were talking to google to allow this free of charge or
> > something and something good is to be expected in the near future (i am
> not
> > sure, i might be mangling his meaning).
>
> Interesting.
>
> Sadly, the Google Search API is no longer free:
>
> http://code.google.com/apis/customsearch/v1/overview.html
>
>
This is the Google Custom Search API, which in my understanding works only
for a specific list of websites. The Google Web Search API  is deprecated:

https://code.google.com/apis/websearch/
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] social media to use

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 15:01, Aditya Sengupta  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 14:30, Nagarjuna G  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Can you share where you have
>>> spotted this? We're not planning to have a twitter account, just a hashtag -
>>> #wci11. This is also being used on identi.ca by a few users and we
>>> encourage this.
>>>
>>> We'd like to correct the error.
>>>
>>>
>> this was posted by CherianTinu abrakham:
>>
>> *Penn-Olson : "Its Wikipedia Season in India"*
>> http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/09/07/wikipedia-indi/
>>
>> *Wikipedia is now all set for it’s first WikiConference in India which is
>> scheduled to be held in Mumbai on November 18th, 2011. Delegates from any
>> country can participate, but the conference will be quite India-centric,
>> according to the event page on Wikimedia.*
>> *
>> *
>> *Here’s a quick overview of the schedule for the WikiConference which
>> will act as a platform for Indian Wikimedians and Wikipedians to meet,
>> discuss, and share their opinions regarding Wikipedia India issues,
>> Indian language projects on Wikipedia, and discuss affairs in the
>> Wikicommunity in India and abroad.*
>> *
>> *
>> *Date 18th to 20th November, 2011*
>> *Venue Convocation Hall, University of Mumbai (Fort Campus) & associated
>> rooms*
>> *Accommodation Sea Green Hotel and Chateau Windsor hotel (for those who
>> receive scholarships)*
>> *Hosts Mumbai and Pune Wikipedia communitites, Wikimedia India branch*
>> *Sponsors Wikimedia Foundation, Eregnow.com*
>> *Social Media Facebook and Linkedin event pages, and official Twitter
>> account*
>>
>
> The "Twitter account" mentioned here actually links (in the original
> article) only to a Twitter search: 
> http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23wci11<http://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23wci11>(the
>  search for the hashtag, #wc11), not an actual Twitter account, per se.
>

That said, the Wikimedia page from which they've picked up this info (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011) makes no mention
of an "account", it only links to the hashtag. The author of the post at
Penn-Olson is just probably not acquainted enough with Twitter. :-)
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] social media to use

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 14:30, Nagarjuna G  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Can you share where you have
>> spotted this? We're not planning to have a twitter account, just a hashtag -
>> #wci11. This is also being used on identi.ca by a few users and we
>> encourage this.
>>
>> We'd like to correct the error.
>>
>>
> this was posted by CherianTinu abrakham:
>
> *Penn-Olson : "Its Wikipedia Season in India"*
> http://www.penn-olson.com/2011/09/07/wikipedia-indi/
>
> *Wikipedia is now all set for it’s first WikiConference in India which is
> scheduled to be held in Mumbai on November 18th, 2011. Delegates from any
> country can participate, but the conference will be quite India-centric,
> according to the event page on Wikimedia.*
> *
> *
> *Here’s a quick overview of the schedule for the WikiConference which will
> act as a platform for Indian Wikimedians and Wikipedians to meet, discuss,
> and share their opinions regarding Wikipedia India issues, Indian language
> projects on Wikipedia, and discuss affairs in the Wikicommunity in India
> and abroad.*
> *
> *
> *Date 18th to 20th November, 2011*
> *Venue Convocation Hall, University of Mumbai (Fort Campus) & associated
> rooms*
> *Accommodation Sea Green Hotel and Chateau Windsor hotel (for those who
> receive scholarships)*
> *Hosts Mumbai and Pune Wikipedia communitites, Wikimedia India branch*
> *Sponsors Wikimedia Foundation, Eregnow.com*
> *Social Media Facebook and Linkedin event pages, and official Twitter
> account*
>

The "Twitter account" mentioned here actually links (in the original
article) only to a Twitter search:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23wci11(the search for the hashtag,
#wc11), not an actual Twitter account, per se.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] A Wikimedia Foundation Fellow from India

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:00, Achal Prabhala  wrote:

>
> In general, the idea is to focus on instances of a citation gap: either
> an already created article whose basis has been established but for
> which there are no citations available, or a situation where citations
> cover a topic only partially, or an article that should be created but
> can't be because of a lack of supporting scholarly evidence.
>
>
>From the release:

To put it another way, it’s possible that the sum of published scholarly
work from Europe is somewhat close to the sum of ‘European’ knowledge, and
that the sum of accessible, published scholarly work in many Asian and
African languages is nowhere close to the corresponding body of knowledge
that circulates among speakers of those languages.


This is quite an interesting challenge. Do you have a blog (or any other
device) where one can follow your work in this area?

Aditya Sengupta
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Globalocal - Presentation

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 13:29, Gautam John  wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Achal and I spoke at a publishing conference in Delhi last month - I
> had forgotten to send the presentation. I spoke about my experience
> from a publishing and Pratham Books experience while Achal spoke about
> Wikimedia, Wikipedia and the Commons.
>
> Slides here:
> http://www.slideshare.net/prathambooks/commonssense-now-like-never-before
>
>
Is a video of the talk available somewhere?

The slides are interesting, but it'd be great to hear the talk, particularly
the bits about the licensing aspects mentioned in the slides.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Wikimeetup @ Kolkata

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 22:36, Anirudh Bhati  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Aditya Sengupta 
> wrote:
>
> > Bombay has had 3 meetups already. More on the latest one here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MMU3
> >
>
> That was last month.  Can you or Angpradesh volunteer to organize MMU4? :)
>
>
> I'm out of commission (and for a not so insignificant portion of the time,
out of town as well) till mid Jan. If we're targeting a meetup per month, I
should be back in action around MMU7. :-)

Related idea: How about having one of the meetups at the next Barcamp Mumbai
(whenever it happens- possibly Jan/Feb)?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Wikimeetup @ Kolkata

[Aditya Sengupta]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 17:28, Gautam John  wrote:

> What about Bombay?
>
>
Bombay has had 3 meetups already. More on the latest one here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MMU3

(You can also see a list of all the meetups at the bottom of the page)
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