[Wikimediaindia-l] Twitter trend: Wikipedia Sushant was Killed

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Hello everyone!

Just wanted to bring the following Twitter trend to your attention:
"Wikipedia Sushant was Killed"

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Wikipedia%20Sushant%20Was%20Killed%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

Yours,
Anirudh

Anirudh S. Bhati
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Hello, Chris,

Will you be responding to the above queries and concerns?

Yours,
Anirudh


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 6:04 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> What to you mean by "The Affiliations Committee is a community-run body
> of volunteers"? It is run by the WMF, not the community. Even the choice of
> AffCom members is not made by the community, but by the AffCom itself.
> Pretending that it is community run is not true, it's entirely commanded
> and run by the WMF.
>
> Paulo
>
> Chris Koerner  escreveu no dia quinta, 18/07/2019
> à(s) 12:20:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Wikimedia projects are supported by you—a network of generous
>> individual volunteers, groups, and organizations around the world.
>> Together, you collaboratively enrich, grow, and advance the Wikimedia
>> projects and free knowledge mission.
>>
>> You may have heard about the Affiliations Committee’s decision to
>> recommend the de-recognition of Wikimedia India. Some community
>> members have asked what this means for the future of WIkimedia
>> communities in India. We want to share more information about the
>> AffCom decision, and reaffirm our commitment to and support for our
>> many communities across India.
>>
>> The Affiliations Committee is a community-run body of volunteers that
>> represents and supports Wikimedia affiliates. After several years of
>> working with Wikimedia India to bring its activities in line with
>> chapter requirements [1], the Affiliations Committee recommended in
>> June 2019 that the Wikimedia Foundation not renew the chapter
>> agreement.
>>
>> Wikimedia India was first recognized as a chapter in 2011. In 2015, it
>> experienced difficulties meeting chapter agreement obligations.
>> Working with the Affiliations Committee and the Foundation, the
>> chapter developed a plan of action and returned to good standing by
>> 2017. However, between 2017 and 2019 the chapter was unable to secure
>> a license to act as a fiduciary organization, and is not currently
>> legally registered as a charity in India to accept funding from the
>> Foundation. The Foundation and Affiliations Committee both hope that
>> this licensing and registration can be secured, and that the chapter
>> will again be eligible for recognition.
>>
>> We are grateful for the vibrant, growing community in India who has
>> shown great leadership and created significant impact within our
>> global movement. The Foundation currently supports eight Indic
>> language community user groups, and we expect two more to be announced
>> by AffCom in the coming weeks. We receive more than 700 million
>> pageviews to Wikipedia every month from readers in India, and the
>> growth of the Indic community is a top priority for the future of
>> Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects.
>>
>> The Republic of India is of great importance to the Wikimedia
>> movement. The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed to supporting
>> volunteer editors, contributors, readers, and donors across India.
>> We’re grateful for all of your continued and growing efforts to
>> support Wikimedia projects and our free knowledge mission. We look
>> forward to continuing our work with you together.
>>
>> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation,
>>
>> Valerie D’Costa
>> Chief of Community Engagement
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> You can help translate this message on Meta. [2]
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Requirements
>> [2]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CKoerner_(WMF)/Support_for_our_communities_across_India
>>
>> Sent by Chris Koerner (he/him)
>> Community Relations Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Hello Abhinav,

Can the EC directly address the question regarding the lack of trust among
members of the community as far as the current composition of the EC is
concerned, and how the EC intends to resolve this?  If there are no changes
in the composition of the EC, I do not see how the situation can be
resolved, especially when several members of the community have raised
concerns regarding the conduct of EC collectively as well as members of the
EC individually on this thread as well as others.

Looking forward to hearing from all of you at the earliest.

Yours,
Anirudh

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 8:34 AM Abhinav srivastava 
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Wikimedia India (WMIN) always appreciates the community members who step
> forward to support the India Chapter and have provided the confidence for a
> national mandate. WMIN is a volunteer-run organisation and it is a
> privilege to receive the support from the volunteers on this problem. WMIN
> also appreciates the community’s effort in putting the Chapter much more
> accountable each and every day. WMIN always invites even dissent under a
> friendly space and understands them to be a process to learn and improve
> upon.
>
> Now, categorically listing the ACTION ITEM into two
>
>
>1.
>
>Legal Compliance :
>
> a.) Foreign Funding : Several community members at different
> platform such as Mailing List, Village Pump, Meta Discussion page have
> expressed their concerns and also provided advice for a probable solution.
> Several members have also expressed their intent to communicate directly
> with the Affiliations Committee and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF). WMIN has
> been advocating for a public trail and would be happy to wait for Affcom
> and WMF to reply on Meta and Mailing List. Subsequent to that any possible
> idea of having a conference call can also be considered with participation
> from community members.
>
> b.) White Paper on Chapter’s Compliance : As several
> statements have been floated such as WMIN not being a registered
> organisation, receiving funding from WMF as a necessary criteria etc. WMIN
> with the assistance of the community members, those who have come forward
> and those who may wish to do so now, would prepare a White paper to reflect
> the Chapter’s present standing. The paper would also discuss Chapter’s
> standing with its external partners and why User Group is not a valid
> proposed proposition.
>
>
>1.
>
>Governance :
>
> a.) Improving Community Conversations : WMIN understands that with no
> funding, it has limited opportunity in interacting with community members.
> As a probable solution, inviting community members to record their
> grievance on a diversified range of public platforms say Meta Discussion
> page, Community Hall at Chapter’s Wiki, Mailing Lists and most importantly
> on Village Pump in one’s native language. We are already familiar with such
> medium, however suggestions for Chapter have remained relatively very less.
> Right at this hour, we invite community members put their suggestions,
> feedback and also grievance if any and how to better improve.
>
> Earlier this year, WMIN had used similar platforms to record suggestions
> for Project Tiger [1] and Membership [2]. Even if WMIN does not address the
> concerns such public statements can promote accountability and most
> importantly promote transparency.
>
> b.) Bylaw Changes : Similar to Russia Chapter it may be relevant to have
> User Group representation at the Chapter [3]. This may build a network grid
> for the volunteer affiliates. There maybe many more suggestions, for
> instance on record there has been a suggestion to have some editing history
> as a necessary criteria for voting [4]. It is important to have healthy and
> productive discussions on such issues at different public platforms as
> mentioned above.Such discussions would strengthen the notion, ‘The will
> of the executive committee is the will of the Indian community’.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to hearing from all of you.
>
> नमस्कार
>
> Abhinav
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Project_Tiger/Community_Inputs
>
> [2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Expectations_from_India_chapter/Membership
>
> [3]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-February/091818.html
> [4]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-April/013991.html
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 21:40, Abhinav srivastava 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Anirudh And All,
>>
>> *Abhinav - I would also like to hear a collective response from the EC
>> regarding this situation and how they aim to work with the Foundation and
>> the community to correct it.  *
>>
>> An actio

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

 till the time the latter builds a
>>>>>> portfolio with some local grants. This has to be done very carefully so
>>>>>> that the funding doesn’t look like a circumvention of FCRA meaning that 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> entire activities will need to be organized/co-organized by the fiscal
>>>>>> sponsor. In real terms, no matter who is involved in the activity, all 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> work, vendor payments, and even the branding must include the fiscal
>>>>>> sponsor. It becomes the said fiscal sponsor’s activity funded by a 
>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>> donor and supported by volunteers or paid contractors from other
>>>>>> collectives/NGOs. Considering the hardship (or more of chances of a
>>>>>> ballgame) this is probably a model a donor organization like WMF can
>>>>>> explore so that individuals or collectives don’t have to pay taxes while
>>>>>> receiving any funding. This arrangement might have a compliance cost 
>>>>>> factor
>>>>>> and availability of staff as the fiscal sponsor has to pay its staff and
>>>>>> should have the bandwidth to manage the additional work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another model that IEEE and many others have explored is allowing
>>>>>> nonprofit (and even for-profit companies) to become the grantee. I’m not
>>>>>> very sure of the tax exemption part but I believe that a for-profit 
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> can only receive investments (and not grants) and must pay tax. That 
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> be an extra expense but it’s much safer. The actual work must be reported
>>>>>> as a work by this company just like the previous situation. IMHO foreign
>>>>>> nonprofit donors should definitely have the flexibility (that the grantee
>>>>>> profile can range from a not-for-profit society or trust or company to a
>>>>>> for-profit company) for their Indian grantees because it’s risky to 
>>>>>> operate
>>>>>> as an NGO in India since the last few years and manage to get FCRA 
>>>>>> approval
>>>>>> at the same time while doing good work. When Wikipedia is all about open
>>>>>> knowledge sharing in multiple languages, issues related map/border can 
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> against a grantee and the law enforcement agencies can go behind them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My request to WMF and AffCom would be to reconsider WMIN’s situation
>>>>>> with the lens of FCRA-related compliance issues because FCRA as a
>>>>>> compliance factor could jeopardize any smaller Indian NGO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subhashish
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <
>>>>>> sudhanwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have replied on the thread on meta. Copying that content here for
>>>>>> reference:
>>>>>> Anirudh has already mentioned most of the points I also wanted to
>>>>>> say. (Check here:
>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-July/014215.html)
>>>>>> I will add a few more things here. WMF is very very keen on all
>>>>>> kinds of legal compliance. The recent example is the "Germany court 
>>>>>> order".
>>>>>> Surprisingly, possibly for the first time in Wikipedia history, all the
>>>>>> relevent content was WIPED out from Wikipedia within a day of the court
>>>>>> order where only one person was affected by the content. Compared to 
>>>>>> that,
>>>>>> here in India, FCRA issue is affecting thousands of organisations in a
>>>>>> serious way and AFFCOM is still not able to understand the FCRA 
>>>>>> compliance
>>>>>> issue. (Maybe, compared to Indian languages, German language is better
>>>>>> understood by concerned people!!)By the way, What was the support
>>>>>> given by WMF/AFFCOM to WMIN in the FCRA matters? Have they provided any
>>>>>> consultant or legal help to WMIN. Or even some high level contacts in the
>>>>>> concerned Government office to put up our case further.It will als

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

For now I am not going to get into other issues, but would like to get
clarification on the following:

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:20 PM Chris Koerner 
wrote:

>
> Wikimedia India was first recognized as a chapter in 2011. In 2015, it
> experienced difficulties meeting chapter agreement obligations.
> Working with the Affiliations Committee and the Foundation, the
> chapter developed a plan of action and returned to good standing by
> 2017. However, between 2017 and 2019
>
>
> *the chapter was unable to secure a license to act as a fiduciary
> organization, and is not currently legally registered as a charity in India
> to accept funding from the Foundation*. The Foundation and Affiliations
> Committee both hope that
> this licensing and registration can be secured, and that the chapter
> will again be eligible for recognition.
>

AFAIK, the Wikimedia Chapter (Wikimedia India) *is* registered as a
charitable society under the Karnataka Societies Registration Act.
Therefore, it *is* a fiduciary organization acting in public interest.  I
would like to hear a clarification on your claims above.

Further, my understanding is that the Chapter has been unable to
renew/secure its permissions under the Foreign Contribution (Regulation)
Act, which prevents it from receiving funds from foreign sources, including
the Foundation.  This is not a situation unique to Wikimedia India, as more
than 20,000 NGOs nationally faced cancellations of their licenses last year
due to reasons that have largely to do with politics rather than compliance
related issues.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/fcra-licences-of-2-ngos-cancelled-act-being-used-as-weapon-to-silence-organisations-3181560.html

If the inability of Wikimedia india to secure these permissions is one of
the primary reasons for de-recognition, as a founding member of Wikimedia
India and as someone who is largely an external observer, it appears to me
that the Foundation is choosing to punish the chapter for not having the
political clout to retain its license.  For most of its existence, the
Wikimedia Chapter has been a volunteer-run body with limited expertise in
public policy.  Can you please clarify whether the Foundation has extended
support to the Chapter in form of, for example, contracting a government
relations specialists to help renew/secure their FCRA license?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Yours,
Anirudh
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF complying to court orders.

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

The WMF's legal team has already provided its opinion in the post published
on their blog (linked above in Sudhanwa's email).  The post admits that the
oversight action was unusual, and a departure from the ordinary norms that
would usually apply.

I do not think there is anything irresponsible about having an open and
frank discussion about the issue based on the information that is available
in the public domain.

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:18 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Since you are disappointed at staff silence on this list, I will clarify:
> I have no more insight into the legal issue, and the considerations that
> made the WMF Legal team comply with the German court order, than you do.
> Nor am I a lawyer.  For me to offer any opinion on the matter would be
> irresponsible.  The Legal team at WMF *is* in a position to address your
> concern, and can be reached at le...@wikimedia.org.  As far as I know,
> none of them reads this mailing list.
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 9:42 PM Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My point was not about the content or context of the court order but the
>> compliance of it by WMF.
>> For all these years, we have been told that WMF does not do anything on
>> the content on wikipedia. And here is a case where even the history is also
>> removed that too within a day to comply with a German court order which is
>> obviously out of jurisdiction of any US laws under which WMF is required to
>> be complaint.
>>
>> From the points mentioned by Anirudh, it is also clear that WMF probably
>> does some(may be considerably more)  discrimination depending on the
>> context. As such, it seems there is a bias within WMF and also on the
>> content of WMF projects.
>>
>> For me, it is very much important that the Indian map issue IS a legal
>> matter and WMF does not address it properly. This issue is being
>> highlighted from the Wikiconference in Mumbai and it still continues.
>> Almost all my time after leaving from Pune till I came back from the
>> conference was completely eaten up by the maps issue (police, morcha and
>> what not. Obviously I am touchy about it.)
>>
>> It is really saddening to know that all the people from the community,
>> and various WMF connected organisations and user groups etc are absolutey
>> silent on it. Otherwise, they make so much noise on any minor points
>> happening here and there. And WMF staff also gets into the discussions.
>> There is complete silence now on the maps topic and legal issue.
>>
>> btw,
>> Have you noticed the change in Google maps of India? After the air strike
>> and F16 down, Google maps show the correct maps of India now (no Pakistan
>> or Chinese controlled areas etc)
>>
>> Legal experts, please comment. Your opinions are very important for all
>> of us.
>> Regards
>> -Sudhanwa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:24 PM Anirudh S. Bhati 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that the German court order had to do with a relatively private
>>> and low-profile individual could explain WMF's willingness to comply with
>>> the decision.  If, however, the ruling had to do with a high-profile
>>> individual in politics, or some political issue that raised substantial
>>> questions around free speech, then perhaps WMF's approach could have been
>>> different.
>>>
>>> At the same time, we should keep in mind that there are also strong
>>> financial reasons to comply with court rulings of the German courts, as WMF
>>> raises a significant amount of money from the German public.  If they had
>>> been facing a Laotian court order, for instance, their approach could have
>>> been very different.  I do think this had more to do with the fact that the
>>> court order dealt with a relatively private and low-profile person.
>>>
>>> How would WMF react to a situation like this in India?  I think it will
>>> be dealt on a case-by-case basis.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Anirudh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:15 AM Frederick Noronha <
>>> fredericknoro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sudhanwa,
>>>>
>>>> This is a complex case, with legal (and perhaps technological)
>>>> implications, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response.
>>>>
>>>> Law and technology seem to be moving in different directions here.
>>>>
>>>> (1) I am familiar with the journalistic/legal argument that the
>>>> r

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF complying to court orders.

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

The fact that the German court order had to do with a relatively private
and low-profile individual could explain WMF's willingness to comply with
the decision.  If, however, the ruling had to do with a high-profile
individual in politics, or some political issue that raised substantial
questions around free speech, then perhaps WMF's approach could have been
different.

At the same time, we should keep in mind that there are also strong
financial reasons to comply with court rulings of the German courts, as WMF
raises a significant amount of money from the German public.  If they had
been facing a Laotian court order, for instance, their approach could have
been very different.  I do think this had more to do with the fact that the
court order dealt with a relatively private and low-profile person.

How would WMF react to a situation like this in India?  I think it will be
dealt on a case-by-case basis.

Yours,
Anirudh



On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:15 AM Frederick Noronha 
wrote:

> Hi Sudhanwa,
>
> This is a complex case, with legal (and perhaps technological)
> implications, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response.
>
> Law and technology seem to be moving in different directions here.
>
> (1) I am familiar with the journalistic/legal argument that the repetition
> of a defamatory statement is, in itself, defamation too.
>
> (2) On the other hand, the Wikipedia believes that all the edit histories
> should be retained, for convincing and sound reasons.
>
> But what happens if some defamatory statement gets 'embedded' in those
> histories?
>
> This is why I see a kind of conflict between law and the way technology
> (Wikis, in this case) seem to be evolving
>
> In some cases at least, the Wikipedia should challenge the rulings of the
> courts. (This one seemed to offer little time to do this.) I'm sure a
> number of pro bono lawyers will support such an important cause. FN
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 00:48, Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indian Wikimedians,
>>
>> I had sent this mail earlier also and was expecting some comments on it.
>> Somehow not a single person has replied to this mail.
>> We talk so much on the list on many insignificant things. Many times WMF
>> people also add their comments/views in it. But for such an important
>> topic, that too of national interest, there is complete silence !! I am
>> surprised and saddened.
>>
>> This was the original mail I sent on April 12th.
>> ---
>>
>> Please check out this news from WMF.
>>
>>
>> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/11/a-german-court-forced-us-to-remove-part-of-a-wikipedia-articles-history-heres-what-that-means/
>>
>> This means WMF accepts court rulings across the world and take action
>> accordingly. What can happen in the case of India maps? Your views please.
>>
>> Regards
>> ---
>> --Sudhanwa
>>
>> ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Thanks for clarifying, Ravi. I'm glad the tawiki community has found a
system that works.

Is there a process for the older admin accounts to go through review as
well?

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 3:23 AM Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi Anirudh,
>
> Thanks for sharing the recent developments in enwiki regarding sysop
> selection. As far as I have checked, fewer sysops getting elected every
> year seems to be a global trend.
>
> After the first three months period, bureaucrats automatically renew
> adminship
>
> * For next 6 months
> * After that, for next year
> * After that, permanent adminship is granted.
>
> Sysops don't need to go through another election or file a request. It
> automatically gets renewed as long as there are no major unresolved
> complaints against the sysop which merits a desysop discussion.
>
> I am also adding the qualifying criteria to nominate one for adminship:
>
> A potential candidate seeking adminship should have
>
> * At least 1000 mainspace edits
>
> and/or
>
> * At least 50 articles creation
>
> and should have
>
> * contributed actively in at least some of the months in the past one
> year in general, be cordial with other users
> * in general, contributed to the overall development of Tamil
> Wikipedia by helping other users, conducting workshops etc.,
> * in general, show inclination to learn Tamil Wikipedia rules, culture
> and abide by that.
>
> In general indicates one's general behavior excusing one or two incidents
> where they behaved to the contrary.
>
> All the 10 candidates got elected with almost unanimous votes.
>
> All candidates who got their adminshipin January 2019 have renewed it for
> the next 6 months.
>
> This shows that the community was willing to trust in many users but was
> limited by a lack of process to elect them.
>
>
> Ravi
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Thanks very much for the update on the Tamil Wikipedia community and
congratulations on resolving a long-standing deadlock with respect to RfA
procedures on ta.wiki. Whilst adminship was once considered to be "no big
deal" on en.wiki, in reality the process has similarly seen higher and
higher standards for passage through the RfA process, making it more and
more difficult to promote administrators.  The recent promotion of  RexxS
 which
garnered less than 65% support (generally considered to be below the
threshold that allows for bureaucratic discretion) sparked much discussion
in the community (see also, bureaucrats' chat
),
meaning that the norms guiding the decision-making process among
bureaucrats might also be shifting.  The Arbitration Committee also refused
to entertain a case to discuss the decision taken by the bureaucrats in the
case above.

Out of curiosity, can you please clarify further as to what happens after
the promoted admin has spent the "probationary period"?  Are they
confirmed/reconfirmed as administrators permanently?  Or do they get
promoted for a fixed but longer time duration only to go through the
reconfirmation process once again?

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:05 PM Ravishankar  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
>
> After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to
> elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
>
> Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being
> not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars
> for a perfect admin.
>
> So, how did we solve?
>
> Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods
> of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship
> in many small wikis.
>
> We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial
> periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for
> adminship very high.
>
> We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the
> new admins.
>
> So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted
> our sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
>
> Right now, we have 42 sysops  with one of the highest sysops per users
> ration among all global Wikis.
>
> We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar
> policy for bureaucrat election.
>
> We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel
> empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
>
> If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here
>  and the discussion in the related talk
> page.
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [India community mailing list admins] Reviving this discussion

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Krishna,

I believe I have already informed you last year that the mailing list gets
cleared at least once a week, and that has been largely happening since the
list was founded by hpnadig.  If you personally wish to volunteer as a
moderator or know someone who wishes to do so, then please state so
clearly.  There is no point in passive-aggressively bringing this up once
every year in case one of your friends is unable to do something they want
to do.  If I recall correctly, even last time you were suggesting that we
ought to clear emails sent by non-members to the list.

>Recently a user approached me that they've been unable to subscribe to
mailing list directly, and they got a message they require admin approval.

I have no idea why that should have happened.  I have not received any
email from such user expressing trouble joining the mailing list.  As you
should know by now, joining this mailing list does not require admin
approval.

--Anirudh


On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:03 AM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I would like to revive this past discussion from July 2018 about Indian
> Wikimedia community mailing list admin. I know it happened quite a long
> back, but I felt it is worth reviving this discussion in general interest.
> Recently a user approached me that they've been unable to subscribe to
> mailing list directly, and they got a message they require admin approval.
> Even after a week and their repeated emails to the mailing list admins,
> there has been no response.
>
> I request other Wikimedians to comment on this, and I opine that active
> [1] Wikimedia users should be the admins of the Indian community mailing
> list.
>
> Regards
> Krishna
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Activity
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India members

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

I wasn't aware that voters' list was posted online.  I generally don't
think that's a good idea, given the privacy of the members.  What is the
view of WMIN's compliance consultant on this?

At the same time, may I ask why many of the founding members are not on
that list?  I was told that we had lifetime membership without the
obligation to pay dues.  I don't mind paying dues personally, but since I
have been away for quite some time, it's not convenient to fill up a form,
send it and also transfer the funds.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:41 PM Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> This raises a question in my mind whether Wikimedia India Chapter is still
> functional? There is a number of reasons to believe it is not,
>
> 1. we are still waiting a respinse from WMIN president on a separate
> concern raised,
> 2. Members list has not been updated for 2 years
> 3. No one from the chapter seems to be caring to respond, etc...
>
> Am I the only one having this question in mind?
>
> Regards,
> Dhaval Vyas
>
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 16:49 Ashwin Baindur, 
> wrote:
>
>> I had applied for membership of the Chapter but am yet to receive
>> confirmation. Requesting Sanket to tell me whether I am a member or not as
>> yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 8:42 AM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I see that the last update on the list of members was in March 2017 (for
>>> Elections 2016), published as the list of eligible voters for the election.
>>> The list is at
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections_2016/Eligible_Voters_List. But the
>>> list has not been updated after that. Many of these must have been expired
>>> by now (considering these from 2016).
>>>
>>> Also, an actual members' list is nowhere to be found on WMIN Wiki. As
>>> Bodhi said, I feel that there should be somewhere on the Wiki, and it needs
>>> to be updated regularly.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Krishna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:02 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I am interested to know, who are the current members of Wikimedia India
 and since when are they members? If there is a list, please share.

 Regards
 Bodhisattwa

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Rush to spend money (earlier:Project tiger consultation community 2019)

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Is the event happening today?  I don't see any information regarding the
venue or participation here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gujarati_Wikisource_Workshop,_Ahmedabad


On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:56 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Hello Dhaval,
> I am cc-ing Gujarati list in my emails including the last email.
>
> A couple of Gujarati Wikisource friends also are actively coordinating
> with the community members
>
> (Kindly excuse brevity and typos, sent from mobile/
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 10:47 PM Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> Thank you Tito,
>>
>> Has this been communicated to the Gujarati community? The Gujarati
>> mailing list, which you subscribe as well, had a last communication which
>> informed that the event was cancelled.
>>
>> I haven't seen any communication informing the mailing list that it has
>> been reinstated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhaval Vyas
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 11:21 Tito Dutta,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> The meetup and workshop will take place on 23-24 February 2019 at
>>> Ahmedabad
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gujarati_Wikisource_Workshop,_Ahmedabad
>>> After the Indian Wikisource Consultation Gujarati Wikisource community
>>> members are interested in this workshop. I believe this workshop and the
>>> meetup will be helpful for them. We'll make sure to follow-up this event
>>> with future plan(s).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tito Dutta
>>> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
>>> remind me over email or phone call.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 19:51, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Dhaval,
 Thank you for your reply.
 I confirm that I do not have any information about the cancellation of
 the upcoming workshop in Gujarat. However this is true that we have to
 ensure that necessary groundwork and needs assessment are done properly and
 that is the message I conveyed to my team. I have asked my team members to
 check this and get back to me and the mailing list as soon as possible. In
 the last email I told that we would get back in 3 days/72 hours.
 In case the community feels or we feel that the event needs more time
 to prepare we may postpone it, but as of now we have not reached any
 decision. I hope that makes things clear.
 You brought up an excellent point we are really thankful for that. If
 you have suggestions or idea about conducting or improving this workshop
 please let us know either over the email thread or personally. We hope to
 get back soon with more information.
 (Sent using mobile, kindly excuse brevity and typos)

 On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 7:34 PM Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> Thank you Tito for your quick reply yesterday.
>
> Meanwhile it gas been brought to my notice that due to my this
> question, Wikisource meetup has now been cancelled/postponed.
>
> I am saddened to know that my concern raised here in general with mere
> example of 2 events has been used as a shield to take a decision on the
> event that was "still in planning stage". If the decision to cancel the
> event was due to the interpretation of my concern as "no support from
> community", it is very unfortunate.
>
> I never said or indicated that I do nit support the initiative. Please
> point me to the statement where you or anybody got that indication.
>
> This whole episode makes me think whether the Project Tiger
> Consultation is also being cancelled due to its mention in the same email
> by me.
>
> In either case, if you decided to cancel the Ahmedabad solely because
> of me, I should have been informed or at least consulted before taking 
> such
> a huge decision and communicating to the community. This has only created
> rift in a very small community of Gujarati Wikimedians and nothing else.
>
> Thank you,
> Dhaval Sudhanva Vyas
>
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 11:14 Tito Dutta 
>> Hello Dhaval,
>> Thank you for your email and your suggestions.
>>
>> There seem to be 2 questions here:
>> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: and 2) Gujarati Wikisource
>> community consultation.
>>
>> I'll try to answer your questions.
>> 1) Project Tiger Community Consultation: You know Project Tiger (PT)
>> community consultation 1.0 ended some time ago, and you may also know 
>> from
>> Wikimedia Foundation/Google or from some other social media post that the
>> next iteration of Project may be started sometime this year, probably in 
>> a
>> few months.
>> The consulltation is planned as a colcluding event of Project Tiger
>> 1.0 with an objective of gathering feedback, experiences (may be in form 
>> of
>> presentations), meet and greet PT contributors, brainstorming etc. The
>> planning part started early, in the beginning of January, and at that 
>> same
>> time we talked to WMF PT team, and who discu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (no subject)

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

(list owners only)

Did someone else remove him from the list?  (I tried searching for him but
couldn't find him)

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:05 PM Joel Kwinter  wrote:

> i was maliciously subscribed to this list.
>
>
>
> Please remove me from the list and are you able to determine who
> subscribed me – an IP address or otherwise any info??
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1524, Issue 1

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Thank you for pointing that out, Mani.  Anyone wants to reply to emails on
this mailing list, should sure that they're not responding to digest
emails.  Please change your settings accordingly.

On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:21 AM A. Mani  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 5:46 PM Japleen Pasricha
>  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I wasn't aware of Wikipedia Asia Month. It's okay if it can't be
> a month long event. As said, we will definitely organise an offline
> Editathon in Delhi in November as part of our monthly Wikipedia editathons
> and I'd love if more and more people can join in especially from Indic
> language communities.
> >
> > I will post more updates closer to the event.
>
> Better avoid digest mode in your subscription - especially when you
> want to reply.
>
> Trimmed inter-leaved/bottom posting is the norm in most FOSS/commons
> mailing lists.
>
> Don't top post :)
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> A Mani
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource Handbook

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Fantastic work!  A very comprehensive guide for Wikisource, and also from a
comparative legal standpoint.

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:25 AM Ananth Subray 
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> We all know that Wikisource is one of the trending Wikimedia projects. We
> are getting many new editors and new books to Indic language Wikisource's.
> At the same time, we even noticed that there are many problems faced by the
> new editors and a few of the existing editors.  To help all of the editors
> we have created a Handbook titled as *Wikisource Handbook for Indic
> communities
> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_Handbook_for_Indian_Communities.pdf
> >.
> *Which is now available[1] to everyone to make the best use of it. I
> request everyone to share this with all those who are in need of support in
> editing Wikisource.
>
>
> Authors of the book: Bodhisattwa Mandal and Ananth Subray P V.
>
>
> [1].
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_Handbook_for_Indian_Communities.pdf
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
>
> *ANANTH SUBRAY P V*
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] QRpedia in Bhubaneshwar

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Thanks for the response, Sailesh.  This project sounds exciting. I am
looking forward to your updates on it.

Is there any repository of most updated information on GLAM projects their
progress in India?  I found this page but it hasn't had substantive edits
since 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/India

Yours,
Anirudh

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:28 PM Sailesh Patnaik <
sailesh.patnaik...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Anirudh,
>
> We (Odia Community and CIS) are doing this project in collaboration with
> Bhubaneswar Development Authority, due to Hockey World Cup planning we
> haven’t been able to follow up with the institution for the next step. I
> will try to give some updates soon on the progress of this event.
>
> Regards
> Sailesh
>
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 at 8:24 PM, Anirudh S. Bhati 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I came across this article from March 2018 recently, and was curious to
>> know if there has been any progress on this front?
>>
>> Anirudh
>>
>> --
>> Information just a 'scan' away: Historical sites in Bhubaneswar to get QR
>> codes soon
>>
>> The QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures
>> and on being scanned through smartphone, these codes will help visitors get
>> detailed information of the monument and its history
>>
>> http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/odisha/2018/mar/29/information-just-a-scan-away-historical-sites-in-bhubaneswar-to-get-qr-codes-soon-1794102.html
>>
>> BHUBANESWAR: Historic monuments in the Capital will soon get QR codes as
>> per a new plan of the Bhubaneswar Development Authority (BDA). In a bid to
>> make the culture and history of the city more accessible to citizens,
>> tourists and researchers in India and across the globe, the BDA has
>> partnered with the Centre for Internet and Society - Access to Knowledge
>> (CIS-A2K) to start the ‘QRpedia’project’.
>>
>> The QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures
>> and on being scanned through smartphone, these codes will help visitors get
>> detailed information of the monument and its history, pictures and other
>> details of the site they are visiting. According to sources in BDA, the QR
>> codes will direct visitors to Wikipedia page of the City-based sites and
>> the monuments in the language of their choice, Odia or English.
>>
>> The move, first-of-its-kind in the country, will add the city to the list
>> of select countries like UK and Australia where the QRpedia is applied to
>> increase the footfall of tourists.Officials of BDA said with an increase in
>> the footfall of tourists to the city in 2017, articles on Wikipedia on
>> monuments have increased by more than 25 per cent as compared to 2016. “The
>> QRpedia project will help tourists, researchers and others, in gaining a
>> better understanding of the region. Projects such as QRpedia have been
>> undertaken in countries like the United Kingdom and Australia in a bid to
>> enable the tourists for exploring the rich historical background of the
>> places they visit,” a BDA official said.
>>
>> The partner organisation CIS - A2K will help in generating more content
>> about the monuments in the Capital, sources added.The BDA officials have
>> named the content generating project as ‘Edit-a-thon’. They have received
>> about 193 articles written by 26 editors in 13 different languages
>> including, Bengali, Sinhalese, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Punjabi, Hindi,
>> Azerbaijani (official language of Azerbaijan), German, among others.Out of
>> the 193 articles, 44 articles were generated in Bengali and were drafted by
>> four Wikipedians, followed by 42 articles written by an editor in Sinhalese.
>>
>> Tech innovation
>> ● QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures
>> ● 25 pc increase in articles on city’s monuments on Wikipedia in 2017
>> against 2016
>> ● Edit-a-thon, a content generating project has been started
>> ● 193 articles in 13 languages received so fa
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[Wikimediaindia-l] QRpedia in Bhubaneshwar

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Hello everyone,

I came across this article from March 2018 recently, and was curious to
know if there has been any progress on this front?

Anirudh

--
Information just a 'scan' away: Historical sites in Bhubaneswar to get QR
codes soon

The QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures and
on being scanned through smartphone, these codes will help visitors get
detailed information of the monument and its history
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/odisha/2018/mar/29/information-just-a-scan-away-historical-sites-in-bhubaneswar-to-get-qr-codes-soon-1794102.html

BHUBANESWAR: Historic monuments in the Capital will soon get QR codes as
per a new plan of the Bhubaneswar Development Authority (BDA). In a bid to
make the culture and history of the city more accessible to citizens,
tourists and researchers in India and across the globe, the BDA has
partnered with the Centre for Internet and Society - Access to Knowledge
(CIS-A2K) to start the ‘QRpedia’project’.

The QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures and
on being scanned through smartphone, these codes will help visitors get
detailed information of the monument and its history, pictures and other
details of the site they are visiting. According to sources in BDA, the QR
codes will direct visitors to Wikipedia page of the City-based sites and
the monuments in the language of their choice, Odia or English.

The move, first-of-its-kind in the country, will add the city to the list
of select countries like UK and Australia where the QRpedia is applied to
increase the footfall of tourists.Officials of BDA said with an increase in
the footfall of tourists to the city in 2017, articles on Wikipedia on
monuments have increased by more than 25 per cent as compared to 2016. “The
QRpedia project will help tourists, researchers and others, in gaining a
better understanding of the region. Projects such as QRpedia have been
undertaken in countries like the United Kingdom and Australia in a bid to
enable the tourists for exploring the rich historical background of the
places they visit,” a BDA official said.

The partner organisation CIS - A2K will help in generating more content
about the monuments in the Capital, sources added.The BDA officials have
named the content generating project as ‘Edit-a-thon’. They have received
about 193 articles written by 26 editors in 13 different languages
including, Bengali, Sinhalese, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Punjabi, Hindi,
Azerbaijani (official language of Azerbaijan), German, among others.Out of
the 193 articles, 44 articles were generated in Bengali and were drafted by
four Wikipedians, followed by 42 articles written by an editor in Sinhalese.

Tech innovation
● QR codes will be installed on temples and other heritage structures
● 25 pc increase in articles on city’s monuments on Wikipedia in 2017
against 2016
● Edit-a-thon, a content generating project has been started
● 193 articles in 13 languages received so fa
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India community mailing list admins

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Hello,

Please you let me know who reported problems with subscription?  Also, the
mailing list rule is that non-subscribers cannot post. Posters have to
subscribe to the list to send their message to the rest of the subscribers.
The occasional mail that gets caught in the filter is cleared on a weekly
basis.

If you are interested in signing up as a moderator, please feel free to
send an email to wikimediaindia-l-ow...@wikimedia.org.

Thanks,
Anirudh


On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:28 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The Indian community mailing list is arguably the most used mailing list
> by the Indian Wikimedia community. However, recently some users have
> reported problems with subscription and sending messages as
> non-subscribers. All these issues are need to be dealt by the list admins
> at the earliest possible. However, the issues remain unsolved.
>
> So I think more active community members must be added as mailing list
> admins so that these issues can be addressed in a timely manner.
>
> List info at:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/Wikimediaindia-l
>
> Looking forward for comments from other members.
>
> Regards,
> Krishna Chaitanya V.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Quarterly Report [Oct – Dec 2017]

[Anirudh S. Bhati]

Very nice!  It's great to see lot of progress in the Wikimedia India
community and participation at national events.  Thank you for the updates.
:)

Y
​ours,
Anirudh
​

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> My dear fellow Wikimedians, I am happy to announce that Wikimedia India
> Chapter's Quarterly Report for the period from July to September 2017 has
> been published.
>
> The report can be viewed at:
>
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Reports/Oct-Dec_2017
>
>
> Regards,
> Krishna Chaitanya Velaga
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