[WikimediaIndia-l] Reminder for today's South Asia Open Community Call (21 July 2024)

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Congratulations on talking for next Wiki Conference even I will apply.
Please remember to have volunteers taking up the initiatives and not staff
who say they were doing it in their volunteer capacity.

Have pure volunteers that way leadership will also grow and this is what
the community wants.

Also it shouldn't be that pure volunteers just after the Conference take up
job at WMF or CIS
All the best


Regards,

Jayantilal

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>
> [SAOCC] Open Community Call
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> Date: 21 July 2024
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Request for Transparency Regarding WMF Staff in India

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Maryana Iskander and Wikimedia Foundation,

I hope I am not disturbing you or have asked you to be in some place which
I should not have. Please note that my concerns are only in good faith and
not anything more. Earlier also WMF staff have asked community members to
respond on the mailing list and I have not done anything new. Why can't you
reply ? If you cannot reply then why you cannot atleast acknowledge.

Staff continues to take over community work. Some staff are on scholarship
to the Education Conference in Europe as volunteers, some for Wiki Loves
Monuments Team discussion, some CIS staff in Universal Code Committee etc.
Everything cannot be like they are doing in their individual capacity.
Please note WMF contractors also take salaries which are higher than the
average Indian salary. It is high time that a policy needs to come up on
this with community discussion. Many people have said the same on this
mailing list. Even if they are allowed, let there be a clear cut policy.
Everything cannot be done by saying what they are doing in their individual
capacity. If you cannot have volunteers who are only volunteers and not any
full time or contractor or with CIS then what is the point.

One more person who was a volunteer at Wiki Conference has now become CIS
staff. Job announcement came on 31st July 2022 and recruitment in May 2023.
So late but they do not care to reply back. I also wanted to ask them if
they will do hardware support in their grant but they did not reply. They
have a budget of 1 Crore, 75 Lakhs, 82 Thousand and 4 Hundred. This  is too
much. If they do not want to give hardware then they should atleast talk to
the community and share a plan.
I will repeat from what I had said before, "This message is a reminder
about the necessity of listening when the community needs to be heard, not
just when it's convenient. It's a plea for transparency and
accountability—cornerstones of our community and the Wikimedia movement.”

On Thu, 18 May 2023 at 2:51 AM, effe iets anders 
wrote:

> Hi Jayantilal,
>
> as I'm reading this, mostly as an outsider from a different community who
> has great appreciation for everything that has been accomplished in various
> communities in India, I can feel the tension. This is unfortunately nothing
> new, and it's an ongoing balance that has to be struck between helping out
> as a staff member on one hand, and not undercutting the community to
> organize itself on the other. This is a challenge, even with the best of
> intentions. This only gets harder when there is a (real or perceived)
> struggle for influence/power. I have come to understand that India is an
> even more complex situation, due to the influence of CIS.
>
> I noticed that the WCI organizers have put forward
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2023/Discussions_and_Feedback
> in response to this thread. It might be beneficial for the conversation to
> try and follow up with this attempt to conversation, and see how far you
> get with regards to the transparency that you seek. If you can achieve this
> without the intervention of Maryana, this is probably more advantageous for
> everyone involved. That does not mean you have to agree with what is
> desirable, but at least you would be able to work from a common base of
> facts/information.
>
> If there are aspects on that page that are possibly misleading from your
> point of view, or simply information that is missing, you might be
> interested in bringing this up on the talkpage.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 2:04 PM Jayantilal Kothari <
> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Maryana,
>>
>> Your Listening Tour has been a commendable initiative to understand the
>> voice of the community. However, the essence of listening lies in its
>> responsiveness.
>>
>> Over ten days ago, we raised concerns that unfortunately remain
>> unaddressed. This isn't a single person sentiment but a collective voice
>> from the Indian Wikimedia community, a voice that has grown stronger since
>> the recent Wiki Conference India.
>>
>> We're concerned about the WMF India staff's involvement in community-led
>> events, notably the Wiki Conference India. While their participation is
>> welcome, there's a growing perception of encroachment on community-led
>> initiatives. The community's autonomy is being compromised, and several
>> experienced community members have voiced this concern on the public
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Furthermore, we've observed that the WMF India Staff is assisting
>> community members in crafting emails and guiding them on how to handle this
>> mailing list situation. As a community, we believe in the ability of our
>> members to speak for themselves.

[Wikimediaindia-l] Updates from CIS-A2K

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thank You Pawana for replying!

Budget is on Google sheet and not Meta so I missed it. Administrative
expense is too much and can you explain what it is? Will this budget cover
infrastructure scholarships also? So many community members require a
laptop and tablet to do wiki work. Will you put a breakup for how much
money will be spent on it.

One email came on 31st July 2022 for Program Manager. Do you mean that
announcement? This was like very long time back.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 11:13 AM,  wrote:

> Dear Ashwin,
>
> Thank you very much for your warm wishes. With the trust and confidence
> bestowed upon me, as well as the good work of our team, we
> are wholeheartedly committed to making a meaningful impact in the open
> knowledge movement.
>
> Best Regards,
> Pavan Santhosh,
> Program Manager,
> Centre for Internet and Society - Access to Knowledge Program
>
> --
> *From: *"Ashwin Baindur" 
> *To: *"Wikimedia India Community list" <
> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 21, 2023 10:26:01 AM
> *Subject: *[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Updates from CIS-A2K
>
> Heartiest congratulations to Pavan Santosh on your new appointment as
> Program Manager, CIS A2K.
>
> We hope that you are able to continue the good work of CIS A2K suitably.
>
> Best wishes, Ashwin Baindur (User: AshLin)
>
>
>
> On Sat, 20 May, 2023, 6:35 pm Jayantilal Kothari, 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Subodh ji,
>> Was there any job opening announcement for CIS-A2K Program Manager? For
>> your budget will you please also give breakup for 1 Crore, 75 Lakhs, 82
>> Thousand and 4 Hundred.
>>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 at 6:26 PM, subodh kulkarni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>
>>> On behalf of A2K, I would like to provide some updates about our ongoing
>>> activities and team composition.
>>>
>>> We would like to inform you that the Mula Mutha Nadi Darshan 2023
>>> campaign is currently underway and will continue until the end of June.
>>> This campaign aims to document the Mula and Mutha rivers, along with their
>>> tributaries in the Pune district, on Wikimedia Commons through images and
>>> videos contributed by active citizens. A2K is collaborating with the Pune
>>> River Revival group of active citizens & civil society organisations.
>>> Jeevitnadi and the Ecological Society are leading the campaign. If you are
>>> interested in participating, please join us at
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Mula_Mutha_Nadi_Darshan_2023
>>> .
>>>
>>> In other news, the annual proposal of A2K is currently under review by
>>> the South Asia Regional Grants Committee. You can find the proposal here:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Centre_for_Internet_and_Society%27s_annual_work_plan_for_2023-2024
>>> .
>>>
>>> Regarding our program, I would like to update you that CIS-A2K is
>>> currently conducting a structural review of the support we provide to
>>> communities through our request page, due to regulatory and organizational
>>> concerns. As a result, we have to temporarily pause the support through
>>> the request page until further notice. We appreciate your patience and
>>> understanding in this matter.
>>>
>>> We have some updates regarding our team. Pavan Santhosh has recently
>>> joined CIS-A2K as the Program Manager, where he will closely collaborate
>>> with Indian language Wikimedia communities. Pavan is an experienced
>>> Wikipedian with a decade-long association with Indian language Wikimedia
>>> projects. Prior to joining CIS-A2K, he served as a Community Manager and
>>> Global Legal Support Specialist at Quora and previously worked as a
>>> Community Advocate in  A2K. Tanveer Hasan has joined CIS as our new
>>> Executive Director. Tanveer previously worked with A2K as the Program
>>> Manager from 2016-2018 and later held various roles at the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation, including Senior Program Manager for the Community Resources
>>> Team. We extend a warm welcome to both Pavan and Tanveer.
>>>
>>> We are excited about the upcoming activities and collaborations with
>>> Indian Wikimedia communities.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Subodh Kulkarni
>>> Sr Program Officer
>>> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Program
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Updates from CIS-A2K

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Subodh ji,
Was there any job opening announcement for CIS-A2K Program Manager? For
your budget will you please also give breakup for 1 Crore, 75 Lakhs, 82
Thousand and 4 Hundred.

On Sat, 20 May 2023 at 6:26 PM, subodh kulkarni 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> On behalf of A2K, I would like to provide some updates about our ongoing
> activities and team composition.
>
> We would like to inform you that the Mula Mutha Nadi Darshan 2023 campaign
> is currently underway and will continue until the end of June. This
> campaign aims to document the Mula and Mutha rivers, along with their
> tributaries in the Pune district, on Wikimedia Commons through images and
> videos contributed by active citizens. A2K is collaborating with the Pune
> River Revival group of active citizens & civil society organisations.
> Jeevitnadi and the Ecological Society are leading the campaign. If you are
> interested in participating, please join us at
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Mula_Mutha_Nadi_Darshan_2023.
>
> In other news, the annual proposal of A2K is currently under review by the
> South Asia Regional Grants Committee. You can find the proposal here:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Programs/Wikimedia_Community_Fund/Centre_for_Internet_and_Society%27s_annual_work_plan_for_2023-2024
> .
>
> Regarding our program, I would like to update you that CIS-A2K is
> currently conducting a structural review of the support we provide to
> communities through our request page, due to regulatory and organizational
> concerns. As a result, we have to temporarily pause the support through
> the request page until further notice. We appreciate your patience and
> understanding in this matter.
>
> We have some updates regarding our team. Pavan Santhosh has recently
> joined CIS-A2K as the Program Manager, where he will closely collaborate
> with Indian language Wikimedia communities. Pavan is an experienced
> Wikipedian with a decade-long association with Indian language Wikimedia
> projects. Prior to joining CIS-A2K, he served as a Community Manager and
> Global Legal Support Specialist at Quora and previously worked as a
> Community Advocate in  A2K. Tanveer Hasan has joined CIS as our new
> Executive Director. Tanveer previously worked with A2K as the Program
> Manager from 2016-2018 and later held various roles at the Wikimedia
> Foundation, including Senior Program Manager for the Community Resources
> Team. We extend a warm welcome to both Pavan and Tanveer.
>
> We are excited about the upcoming activities and collaborations with
> Indian Wikimedia communities.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Subodh Kulkarni
> Sr Program Officer
> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Program
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Jayantilal

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Request for Transparency Regarding WMF Staff in India

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Maryana,

Your Listening Tour has been a commendable initiative to understand the
voice of the community. However, the essence of listening lies in its
responsiveness.

Over ten days ago, we raised concerns that unfortunately remain
unaddressed. This isn't a single person sentiment but a collective voice
from the Indian Wikimedia community, a voice that has grown stronger since
the recent Wiki Conference India.

We're concerned about the WMF India staff's involvement in community-led
events, notably the Wiki Conference India. While their participation is
welcome, there's a growing perception of encroachment on community-led
initiatives. The community's autonomy is being compromised, and several
experienced community members have voiced this concern on the public
mailing list.

Furthermore, we've observed that the WMF India Staff is assisting community
members in crafting emails and guiding them on how to handle this mailing
list situation. As a community, we believe in the ability of our members to
speak for themselves. Currently, it appears that only those on the WMF
payroll—either through grant salary/contract or through WMF-funded CIS
salary—are speaking on behalf of Wiki Conference India, seemingly under the
guidance of WMF Staff India. We urge WMF India Staff to step back and allow
the community to voice their concerns independently. Check the Wiki
Conference India Team on Meta. Most of them are drawing salaries from WMF
or CIS or have been previous employees in the last 5 years. Very few are
people who have always been volunteers. Many of them have also not written
WMF against their name because they say they did this conference as
volunteers. Was there no volunteer to come forward and organize? This means
WMF staff have not been able to grow the community.

We wish to understand the roles, responsibilities, and contributions of the
WMF India staff who actively participated in the Wiki Conference India.
Being paid by funds raised through volunteer-built platforms like
Wikipedia, their active participation in community spaces calls for higher
accountability.

WMF has spent so much money on Strategy 2030 but the India Conference had
no session on it why? India is not important or what?  Sunday there was a
session on Strategy 2030 but it was removed without telling participants.
Why?

We would like to clarify that this is not a request for personal
information—since the identities of these staff members are already
publicly known—but a call for professional transparency, as we seek to
understand their specific roles and contributions. If these staff members
were comfortable taking to the stage and receiving credit at the
conference, they should be equally comfortable sharing the scope and impact
of their work with the community that they serve. Their willingness to be
in the public eye during the conference should extend to their professional
commitments and achievements. We're keen to know about the partnerships
they've formed over the past few years that have benefited Indian
communities, the initiatives the communications team has launched beyond
financial incentives for Instagram users, the community projects undertaken
by other staff members, negative response on fundraising and the hiring
practices aimed at empowering local user groups.

Considering the nature of these questions, we're interested in
understanding your strategy for obtaining an unbiased picture of the
situation. If the primary sources of feedback are the WMF India staff or
their superiors, it might be influenced by the very concern we raise.

This message is a reminder about the necessity of listening when the
community needs to be heard, not just when it's convenient. It's a plea for
transparency and accountability—cornerstones of our community and the
Wikimedia movement.

We understand that you might be busy, but we would appreciate at least an
acknowledgment of this email, assuring us that our concerns have been heard
and will be addressed.

We look forward to your acknowledgment and response.

On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 3:52 AM, Shyamal Bagchi 
wrote:

> My emails are also being censored.
> Why is this happening and who is doing it ?
>
>
> On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 00:51, Wiki Prasad  wrote:
>
>> i say same thing, my email not posted. it is censored.
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2023 at 4:48 AM
>> *From:* "Jayantilal Kothari" 
>> *To:* "Wikimedia India Community list" <
>> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, miskan...@wikimedia.org
>> *Subject:* [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for Transparency Regarding WMF
>> Staff in India
>> Hello WCI 2023 Organizing team,
>>
>> First of all, thank you for hosting the event. I appreciate your
>> willingness to engage in discussions and provide clarifications on concerns
>> related to the conference. However, I would like to remind you that this
>> email thr

[Wikimediaindia-l] Request for Transparency Regarding WMF Staff in India

[Jayantilal Kothari]

burden
>>>> future community programs and events in India. It's not at all surprising
>>>> that even though no one was stopped, but a very few number of volunteers
>>>> from my language community actually applied and participated in the
>>>> conference, even being one of the most active community in the region.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 4, 2023, 00:53 Subhashish  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I find this email better worded than the other one in this list a few
>>>>> days back which was also about different issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of these issues, though I'm not personally aware of, certainly
>>>>> need to be addressed by WMF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for upholding the importance of the community by saying --
>>>>> "I am okay with WMF staff being paid, but it should not undermine unpaid
>>>>> volunteers and the movement's ethos." Can't agree more.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I see public listing of WMF staff and contractors both on-wiki
>>>>> [1] and the Foundation's official site, WMF staff in India might mean 
>>>>> staff
>>>>> and contractors who are hired both for long-term and short-term and
>>>>> part-time roles. It could also mean those who play global roles (say,
>>>>> engineering staffers) but reside in India and don't necessarily interface
>>>>> only with the India-based community. Their participation in a national
>>>>> level event could be an one-off thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> But those nuances apart, the volunteer and staff dynamics certainly is
>>>>> a topic worth discussing.
>>>>>
>>>>> A worse social phenomenon in India is a foreigner being treated with
>>>>> more dignity than a local. The intersectionality of caste, gender, fluency
>>>>> in English, intergenerational privilege and many other social factors play
>>>>> a role. I still think this is not a standalone issue and should be
>>>>> discussed (and investigated if needed) keeping in mind the
>>>>> intersectionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Foundation_staff
>>>>>
>>>>> Subha
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 3, 2023, 11:09 PM Jayantilal Kothari <
>>>>> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Maryana Iskander and Wikimedia Foundation,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to request more
>>>>>> transparency about the roles and responsibilities of WMF staff in India. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am assuming good faith and believe that any issues arising are
>>>>>> unintentional; however, these occurrences seem to be negatively impacting
>>>>>> the overall movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has come to my attention that WMF allocates a relatively small
>>>>>> amount of funds to the Indian community. This implies that a significant
>>>>>> portion of donor money is spent on staff, making it crucial to ensure 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> donors and the Wiki community are aware of how the funds are being 
>>>>>> utilized
>>>>>> and the impact generated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firstly, I have noticed that WMF hires non-community staff members
>>>>>> who may be initially unfamiliar with the Wikimedia community and movement
>>>>>> in general. This is not an issue as long as newly recruited staff members
>>>>>> are willing to work collaboratively with the community, rather than
>>>>>> competing with them. Unfortunately, there have been instances where this
>>>>>> has not been the case, such as WMF India staff paying Instagram users
>>>>>> without consulting the community, and the recent WikiConference India,
>>>>>> where WMF staff overshadowed volunteer committees and took over volunteer
>>>>>> roles during conference planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially, I thought that privacy concerns might be the reason behind
>>>>>> the lack of transparency. However, during the recent conference, I 

[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Wikiconference India 2023 -what's happening?

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Subhashish,

While I understand that you haven't played any role in organizing the
conference and you may not be attending, it is essential to recognize that
transparency and open communication are key to maintaining trust within the
community. Intentionally hiding information can often lead to corruption,
which is why concerns raised by reputed community members should not be
dismissed as petty.

Although safe spaces and controlled entry are important, it should not come
at the cost of transparency. Striking a balance between safety and openness
is crucial. It is the responsibility of event organizers to keep the
community informed and involved in the process.

Given the current circumstances, it seems that the Wikimedia Foundation has
potentially hijacked the Wiki Conference India to advance their own agenda
without actively maintaining transparency. As community members, we should
be concerned about this apparent lack of openness, as it could undermine
the very principles upon which the Wikimedia movement is founded.

We must remember that the lack of transparency surrounding this particular
Wiki Conference could enable the Wikimedia Foundation to use it as an
opportunity to present certain proposals and collect selective feedback.
This would be a highly questionable practice, given that the WMF should not
make any decisions or collect selective feedback during this event and then
present it as broader community feedback. Such actions would be misleading
and could be considered a corrupt practice.

As community members, we must hold the WMF and event organizers accountable
for ensuring that the conference reflects the values of transparency,
inclusiveness, and open collaboration that are fundamental to the Wikimedia
movement. By doing so, we can prevent the possibility of the WMF using this
event as a platform to push through decisions or collect selective feedback
without properly involving the broader community.

Regards,
Jayantilal

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 at 6:29 AM, Subhashish  wrote:

> I'm not bring able to attend or haven't been played any role in
> organising, but petty accusation based on no real substance, that to from
> two members of the community with long experience, reflects 0% assumptions
> of any good faith. This  would hurt the community spirit. Why page not
> updated considered secrecy? Why questions framed for fellow volunteers so
> sensational. We all at some point found things missing and have added a
> word in random pages. I don't know most of the people organising the event
> but many new community members are able to bring together the larger Indian
> community after long, especially when the risks of the pandemic are less.
>
> Registration-based entry is not secrecy. Walk-in is not openness. Safe
> spaces are always created by building a layer or controlled and vetted
> entry. We all saw what kind of interesting events happened in Mumbai back
> in 2011. Wikimedians and their physical safety are much more important that
> an abstract, self-professed version of openness.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 2:44 AM Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
> wrote:
>
>> WOW!!
>>
>> I completely agree with Pavanja !!
>>
>> Looks like this conference is some kind of secret mission!!
>>
>> There is hardly any activity about it on the mailing list or even on
>> wiki.
>>
>> For no reason, secrecy is seen everywhere eg. Check the team page.
>>
>>
>> Asaf says, ad hoc attendance is discouraged. But without any disclosure
>> of the venue, such attendance is not going to happen at all !!
>>
>> Where is the openness and trust that exist on Wikipedia reflected in the
>> conference??
>>
>> Or possibly that 90+ lakhs budget amount is to be spent secretly !!
>>
>> Ironically the theme of the conference is "Strengthening bonds" !! Looks
>> like there are very secret bonds to be developed there !!
>>
>>
>> Anyways, all the best wishes to the conference!!
>>
>> Well, I was thinking of sending some press release to the media. Nothing
>> available about it on the conference website.
>>
>> Regards
>> Sudhanwa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 12:29 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Pavanaja.
>>>
>>> As the conference FAQ page[1] mentions, there will be no streaming, and
>>> walk-in ad hoc attendance is discouraged.
>>>
>>> Folks who have registered have received all the information.
>>>
>>> As for documentation by participants, I'm sure that will begin to show
>>> up once the conference proper begins (tomorrow morning).
>>>
>>>A.
>>>
>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2023/FAQ
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023, 20:33  wrote:
>>>
 Namaste,



 Wkiconference India 2023 starts tomorrow. The home page is here -
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2023

 I have many questions –

- Where the event is happening?
- If someone just wants to walk-in, where he/she should go?
- Sessions are listed. But no details. There could have been link

[Wikimediaindia-l] Upcoming WMF fundraising campaign in India 2023

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hi Julia,

I am writing to express my concerns regarding the upcoming Wikimedia
Foundation fundraising campaign in India. While I appreciate the efforts
being made to raise funds, I am unsure about how donations are collected
from India.

According to an interview with WMF's Raju Narisetti in the Indian
Express​[1]​, 10% of the grants raised by the Wikimedia Foundation go back
to the Indian Wikimedians who write and edit on Wikipedia. However, there
seems to be a lack of transparency about which projects in India are
receiving these funds.

Last year, WMF raised $165,232,309​[2]​, which means that 10% of this
amount is approximately 13 crores rupees. Could you please share more
details about the projects in India that received this funding? Such claims
are used as emotional hooks to encourage more Indians to donate, but no one
seems to know which Indian community or projects are benefiting from them.​
​As an Indian community member, I am not personally aware of any
community-facing initiatives that have received such funding. I would
appreciate it if you could let me know if I am missing something.

It is important to note that making false claims to raise money from Indian
citizens is a serious matter and may have ​serious ​legal consequences. To
ensure that the Wikimedia Foundation is true to its commitment, it is
essential to be transparent and provide accurate information about the
allocation of funds while raising funds in India.

In my experience, WMF employees often come up with lengthy replies that do
not directly address the concerns raised by community members. Therefore, I
suggest that actual spending numbers be included along with information
about the projects in India that received funding. ​Expected reply could
include a list of projects with money sent to Indian communities. ​This
would provide greater transparency and help build trust within the
community.

Is there a report on how much money has been raised from India and how it
has been spent?

Also, are you aware of how Wikipedia have led to riots in Delhi?[3]

Thank you,
​Jayantilal

[1] :
https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/raju-narisetti-interview-wikipedia-trust-transparency-7940621/
[2] ​https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2021-22_Report
[3]
https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-riots-wikipedia-article-biased-anti-hindu/amp/

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 2:39 AM, Julia Brungs  wrote:

> Dear community members,
>
> I would like to inform you all about the upcoming annual Wikimedia
> Foundation fundraising campaign in India.
>
> The fundraising campaign will have two components.
>
>1.
>
>We will send emails to people who have previously donated from India.
>The emails are scheduled to be sent between the 2nd of May and the 1st
>of June.
>2.
>
>We will run banners for non-logged in users in India on English
>Wikipedia itself. The banners will run from the 30th of May until the
>27th of June.
>
> Prior to this, we are planning to run some tests in April and May, so you
> might see banners for 3-5 hours a couple of times before the campaign
> starts. This activity will ensure that our technical infrastructure works.
>
> I will be in touch again in the next few weeks, to share with you a community
> engagement page where we will outline more detail around the campaign,
> share some banner examples, and give you space to engage with the
> fundraising campaign.
>
> I will also be hosting a community call during April (date to be
> confirmed) to which you can bring your questions and suggestions.
>
> Generally, before and during the campaign, you can contact us:
>
>-
>
>On the talk page of the fundraising team
>
>-
>
>If you need to report a bug or technical issue, please create a
>phabricator ticket
>
> 
>-
>
>If you see a donor on a talk page, VRT
> or
>social media having difficulties in donating, please refer them to 
> donate[image:
>@]wikimedia.org
>
> Thanks you and regards,
>
> Julia
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Blocked in Pakistan

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hello,

Feeling heartbroken over the news of Wikipedia being banned in Pakistan by
Shehbaz Sharif led Pakistan Government. Knowledge should be freely
accessible to all, not limited by censorship.

Good time to get our maps corrected without vandalism. Can someone tell how
will it impact India? What are the next steps?

Regards,
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: #KnowWithWiki- Test campaign to raise awareness among Indian youth

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Rachit,

I asked you a simple Yes/No question. I am repeating the question -

""Will you make sure that communities/usergroups/affiliates are well
informed in advance and that they are included in the planning and
execution of the upcoming campaigns?""

Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on the question. It includes
community consultation as a default setting. Your pre-quoted text is not
the answer as it is super vague, and ambiguous 

I hope it is a clear question that should be easy to answer with a simple
"Yes/No"

Looking forward to a simple answer.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 4:18 PM, Rachit Sharma 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Hope you had a restful weekend. Thank you for your patience on the
> response.
>
> I thank you for your time and valuable inputs, which I am sure will help
> aid the design and delivery of our future awareness activities in India. I
> wanted to reiterate again that this was a test to generate data and
> learnings.
>
> For now I request you to kindly wait for the test findings of both the
> tests to be synthesized and added on Meta, following which we will host a
> joint call to share the findings of both experiments- we would like to
> continue the discussion and also get your feedback/inputs either during the
> call or on Meta.
>
> On the budget, I would like to reiterate that we will not be able to share
> the details due to the reasons stated before. But we wanted to express that
> the budget utilized was dedicated to Communications work and not part of
> grant-making or other Movement investments. The Communications department
> has applied these funds to 3 initiatives: the South Africa and India tests,
> and another to support the crisis in Ukraine during this current fiscal
> year.
>
>
> On your point on engaging communities in the future, I believe the same
> was addressed in the previous email, quoting the same below for your
> reference and to stress the importance of the same.
>
> Regarding your next question about future campaigns, I assume you are
> referring to initiatives where we are looking at achieving certain results.
> As we have in the past, we will continue to inform, engage and involve the
> communities in ways that suit each project while being mindful of community
> bandwidth to engage.
>
> Thank you for your time and inputs, I kindly request you all to wait for
> the findings, post which we could continue the discussions and take the
> feedback.
>
> Best,
>
> Rachit
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:08 PM Jayantilal Kothari <
> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget fundraising is going on. If funds raised have to be spent
>> for these kind of work and when asked about expense they will say Non
>> Disclosure Agreement then what is the point of doing fundraising.
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 at 7:52 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent points from Mr Kothari. This is indeed the main point about
>>> this campaign. A major campaign is being planned and executed by WMF to
>>> increase Indian youth involvement in use of Wikipedia without any community
>>> involvement.
>>>
>>> Another thing is communication is a two way street. It's not meant to be
>>> a one way flow of information based on which community is expected to give
>>> acceptance to a WMF program and co-operate for an outcome from a process
>>> where no input or involvement has been sought in the program purpose,
>>> design, method of execution and results sought.
>>>
>>> The community expects to be engaged, their views to be sought, changes
>>> made in response to the community's concerns, community involved in the
>>> execution, results informed to the community, post-event feedback taken
>>> from the community. Then and only then will the program be truly a
>>> partnership between WMF and community.
>>>
>>> User:AshLin
>>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Jun, 2022, 6:43 am Jayantilal Kothari, <
>>> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Rachit,
>>>>
>>>> Nice to meet you and congratulations on the new job! Good to know that
>>>> there is a movement communications team.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back to earlier conversations - you missed the whole point about
>>>> community inclusion. Communication is a two-way street, right now it is a
>>>> one-way road.
>>>>
>>>> I can understand if the WMF team responsible fr this campaign was
>>>> clueless about the community presence and interest (or "bandwidth"), but
>>>> that's not th

[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: #KnowWithWiki- Test campaign to raise awareness among Indian youth

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Don't forget fundraising is going on. If funds raised have to be spent for
these kind of work and when asked about expense they will say Non
Disclosure Agreement then what is the point of doing fundraising.

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 at 7:52 AM, Ashwin Baindur 
wrote:

> Excellent points from Mr Kothari. This is indeed the main point about this
> campaign. A major campaign is being planned and executed by WMF to increase
> Indian youth involvement in use of Wikipedia without any community
> involvement.
>
> Another thing is communication is a two way street. It's not meant to be a
> one way flow of information based on which community is expected to give
> acceptance to a WMF program and co-operate for an outcome from a process
> where no input or involvement has been sought in the program purpose,
> design, method of execution and results sought.
>
> The community expects to be engaged, their views to be sought, changes
> made in response to the community's concerns, community involved in the
> execution, results informed to the community, post-event feedback taken
> from the community. Then and only then will the program be truly a
> partnership between WMF and community.
>
> User:AshLin
>
> On Sat, 4 Jun, 2022, 6:43 am Jayantilal Kothari, 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rachit,
>>
>> Nice to meet you and congratulations on the new job! Good to know that
>> there is a movement communications team.
>>
>> Coming back to earlier conversations - you missed the whole point about
>> community inclusion. Communication is a two-way street, right now it is a
>> one-way road.
>>
>> I can understand if the WMF team responsible fr this campaign was
>> clueless about the community presence and interest (or "bandwidth"), but
>> that's not the case. There was an informal request to include the
>> community,  this mail thread also exists fr more than 14+ days and you can
>> see my request to include the community. There seems an active attempt to
>> exclude the community consultation even after multiple requests.
>>
>> Your answers to other questions are also super vague, as the campaign is
>> over now - please try to be mre specific in the report at least. Mentioning
>> the amount spent on campaigns is most important to evaluate the
>> effectiveness of the campaign. NDA part can be omitted but share other
>> details. I hope you agree that wmf staff and communities must be held to
>> the same standards. Please include the total budget allocated for this
>> particular campaign in the report.
>>
>> Last simple question/request :
>>
>> Will you make sure that communities/usergroups/affiliates are well
>> informed in advance and that they are included in the planning and
>> execution of the upcoming campaigns?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 3:51 PM, Rachit Sharma 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jayantilal and Tito,
>>>
>>> I hope all is well. Thank you for your questions and patience, I am
>>> stepping in on behalf of the team to address your inputs. These are based
>>> on inputs collated from different teams working on this test to provide a
>>> consolidated response.
>>>
>>> Firstly, for Jayantilal who I have not had the opportunity to connect
>>> with- I have joined the Foundation in the Movement Communications team with
>>> a focus on South Asia, I am based in New Delhi, India, and here is my
>>> Meta page <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:RASharma_(WMF)> if you
>>> would like to know more about me. Secondly, I write this email assuming
>>> good faith <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith>and
>>> I am sure this is the same spirit you have been writing with.
>>>
>>> Thirdly, and before we move to the points, I would like to reiterate
>>> that India is a key location for the Foundation and it is important for us
>>> to understand the tactics to engage our audiences here, especially the
>>> youth. Since I have joined, I have had multiple conversations with
>>> community members and a common emerging theme is to boost our outreach and
>>> awareness activities; and another on the power of engaging young people-
>>> who as we know constitute a large part of our tech-enabled audience and are
>>> knowledge seekers. Support on better communications was also a need
>>> identified in the last Affiliates survey.
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Data_and_Insights_Team/Our_Reports/2021_Affiliates_data_survey_report>
>>>
>>> The learnings from this experiment (together wit

[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: #KnowWithWiki- Test campaign to raise awareness among Indian youth

[Jayantilal Kothari]

eficial for the Indian communities. We will share our learnings
> from this test with the community so that they can make use while planning
> any potential outreach activities in the country for a similar target
> audience. This will be shared on Meta when it is ready.
>
>
> As per the previous email, “our approach is focused on people and not
> projects- the test is of an audience and not a project.” This test uses
> links to Wikipedia and the content is based on the influencers target
> audience. We would also be putting out a content piece that highlights
> information about our projects and how all of them support the Free
> Knowledge Movement. This answer would satisfy your other question on
> language as well.
>
>
> @Tito: The first email
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/EZCGAPJD663UU5453ZOB6ICZGLZQ7D5Q/>
> to the community with the test details was sent on 28/04/2022 and the
> test went live on 05/05/2022. The newspaper article came as a result of
> our press release
> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2022/05/06/wikimedia-foundation-launches-knowwithwiki-campaign/>
> posted on the Foundation website and distributed to Indian media on
> 06/05/2022. *(have provided links for your reference and verification)**.*
>
>
> On community consultation and as stated in the emails before, we remain
> mindful of using the community bandwidth while working on any project.
> Since this is not a long-term campaign, but a small three-week test on
> Instagram,  we did not host any formal large-scale community consultation.
> But, as a part of our plan, post the completion of the test, we will be
> hosting a conversation to present our findings for both the South Africa
> and India tests. As an ideal place to have an open discussion on some
> collective next steps, I would be delighted if you both could attend the
> call so we could continue the conversation there.
>
>
> On the budget, we are contractually obligated to follow the norms of a
> signed NDA <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement>. This
> is the only question we will not be able to answer, but I hope you
> appreciate and are satisfied with the answers to the other points.
>
> Finally, @Jayantilal- It would be great if you and I could have a
> conversation about your experience with the movement. The same way I often
> talk to Tito!
>
> Have a great week ahead and stay healthy!
>
> Best,
> Rachit
>
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 6:31 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot for the response.
>> Indeed the questions are not answered. In addition to the questions
>> asked and numbered above by Jayantilal sir, these were also asked,
>> 5. Is it going to be an English-Wikipedia campaign?
>> 6. If Indian language Wikipedias are included, what is the methodology?
>> 7. Where was community consultation? (links requested)
>> 8. What is the starting date? Newspapers have reported more than a week
>> ago that it started
>> https://theprint.in/ani-press-releases/wikimedia-foundation-launches-knowwithwiki-campaign-to-promote-access-to-and-sharing-of-free-knowledge/945652/
>> Most definitely they were informed before that. So, things are apparently
>> pre-decided.
>> Thanks for the consideration.
>> Stay safe,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022, 17:54 Jayantilal Kothari, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much for taking out time to explain, you have skipped most
>>> of my questions though.
>>>
>>> Your success is important for the community and movement will benefit
>>> from successful campaigns. Community is here to help and support if you are
>>> open to it.
>>>
>>> Let's go-to basics first (common sense);
>>>
>>> You yourself have pointed out that Wikipedia readership in India is high
>>> (ranked #4 as per your initial e-mail).  Same referenced study shows
>>> Wikipedia and Youtube have almost the same popularity (31% know Wikipedia
>>> and 33% know Youtube - 25 to 34 age).
>>>
>>> I dont see any Wikipedia vs Instagram market research study by WMF. I do
>>> see Youtube vs Wikipedia and it makes sense to use Youtube for promotion
>>> because it is easy to do the same study and then compare results.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia are more popular and most visited site than Instagram (as per
>>> Semrush March 2022 report). Wikipedia @ number 6 whereas Instagram is @
>>> number 12.
>>>
>>> On one hand, you say Wikipedia is most visited site and then you say it
>>> is not popular amongst youth and then you choose to use even less p

[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: #KnowWithWiki- Test campaign to raise awareness among Indian youth

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thank you so much for taking out time to explain, you have skipped most of
my questions though.

Your success is important for the community and movement will benefit from
successful campaigns. Community is here to help and support if you are open
to it.

Let's go-to basics first (common sense);

You yourself have pointed out that Wikipedia readership in India is high
(ranked #4 as per your initial e-mail).  Same referenced study shows
Wikipedia and Youtube have almost the same popularity (31% know Wikipedia
and 33% know Youtube - 25 to 34 age).

I dont see any Wikipedia vs Instagram market research study by WMF. I do
see Youtube vs Wikipedia and it makes sense to use Youtube for promotion
because it is easy to do the same study and then compare results.

Wikipedia are more popular and most visited site than Instagram (as per
Semrush March 2022 report). Wikipedia @ number 6 whereas Instagram is @
number 12.

On one hand, you say Wikipedia is most visited site and then you say it is
not popular amongst youth and then you choose to use even less popular
platform than Wikipedia to promote Wikipedia. The basic conclusion of all
surveys says that people without the internet don't know much about
Wikipedia and you have chosen an internet-based platform to educate people
who don't have internet!

It is quite ironic that WMF runs 'Wikipedia might die without donation'
appeals in India and then decides to spend donor money on instagramers.

Can we please expect some accountability and transparency here?

1. How are you going to measure the impact of this campaign? Tangible
outcome?
2. How much money is spent on this?
3. Methodology behind selecting Instagrammers and overall average budget
per reel?
4. How do you plan to involve wider communities in this as well as future
campaigns?

I have numbered the questions so it might help you to answer them in
chronological order.

Thanks

On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 7:14 PM, Khanyi Mpumlwana 
wrote:

>
> Hi Jayantilal,
>
> Thank you so much for your feedback and questions. I am sharing my
> thoughts below:
>
> At the outset I wanted to state, on behalf of everyone at Wikimedia, that
> we appreciate the efforts and dedication of the entire community to promote
> and deliver Free Knowledge for everyone. Additionally, keeping our
> communities in mind, we did send out the overall test plan/objectives to
> the list ahead of the test going live- this email contains relevant
> information and links.
>
> As mentioned before, #KnowWithWiki is a short term test campaign that is
> focused on engaging current and prospective young India readers while
> leveraging the reach of digital influencers.
>
> I would like to stress that our campaign content is focused on readership
> with the youth audience and not on acquiring editors; and the influencer
> posts are focused on furthering their audience’s awareness levels of
> Wikipedia while leveraging on topics that interest them, such as cricket,
> body positivity, endometriosis etc. Hence, through the campaign we are not,
> in any manner, promoting editing.
>
> Our purpose and aim is simple: to learn- while engaging young internet
> users and unaware Wikipedia readers to increase affinity and perceived
> value which, as you would agree, is key to the sustained growth of
> Wikipedia and all our projects.
>
> On your point about community bandwidth, we remain mindful of using this
> for the short term test. Since this is not a long-term campaign but a three
> week test campaign focused on a particular reader group- the youth; and
> concentrated on one visual platform, Instagram- we hope to learn and share
> the learnings and outcomes of the test with the whole movement. We will
> continue to monitor reverted edits and possible vandalism.
>
> More importantly, we feel there will be a lot to learn from the outcomes
> (as the previous email mentioned we did another test in South Africa) for
> our collective work in the future. This would be a moment for us to come
> together and discuss the outcomes (both the pro’s and con’s) of the test
> which would be current, relevant and future-focused.
>
> As always, we thank you for your time and feedback, over and above all the
> work you do within the movement. Please feel free to get in touch if you
> have any additional questions/suggestions.
>
> Best,
>
> Khanyi
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 1:15 PM Jayantilal Kothari <
> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Was there any community consultation? This has already created vandalism
>> incidents on local
>> Wikis. If an Instagram influencer with millions of followers talks about
>> Wikipedia, his 10% of followers start editing and 1% vandalizing pages then
>> it becomes a huge burden on the community to clean up the paid mess. Indic
&

[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Stay safe, stay connected, an interaction zone: First talk with Asaf Bartov on 22 May 2021, Saturday

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Tito,
Why can't sign up be on Meta and chat be open.

Even WMF does Office Hours open for all.

This Google Form sign up with collection of email, name and other personal
details.

Thanks

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 08:02, টিটো দত্ত Tito Dutta 
wrote:

> Hello,
> The call will take place today, Saturday 22 May 2021. We'll start exactly
> at 7 pm IST.
> We have sent invitations to them who have registered.
> In case, if you have registered and have not received an invitation please
> let us know by sending an email to w...@cis-india.org
> If you have not registered yet, you can still register filling this form:
> https://forms.gle/e85k84tX4oroKkjx7
> Note, the registration will close at 6 pm, an hour before the talk begins.
> Stay safe, stay connected,
>
>
>
> বৃহস্পতি, ২০ মে, ২০২১ তারিখে ৩:০৩ PM টায় এ Jayanta Nath <
> jayanta...@gmail.com> লিখেছেন:
>
>> Hello,
>> The meet will take place on 22 May 2021 at 7 pm IST. We'll use the Zoom
>> platform. Thanks to everyone who has registered so far. Note, for
>> logistical purposes, registration will close at 6:00 pm, 22 May 2021. We'll
>> send the Zoom details to the registered participants tomorrow (Friday) and
>> Saturday.
>>
>> You can see the event page here:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stay_safe,_stay_connected
>> If you have not registered yet, and wish to attend the talk, please fill
>> this form: https://forms.gle/e85k84tX4oroKkjx7
>>
>> Stay safe, stay connected,
>> Jayanta Nath
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments 2020 in India starts tomorrow

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Best of Luck!

Just a reminder, please complete all information like Jury page is empty
but competition has started.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2020_in_India/Jury



On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 11:17, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Wikimedians,
>
> We are very happy to announce that the Wiki Loves Monuments 2020 in India
> is starting from tomorrow and will continue for the entire month of
> September.
>
> As this year, we are facing devastating effects of COVID-19,  we urge you
> to stay inside your home to avoid exposure to the deadly virus. You do not
> have to go outside of your safe zone to photograph monuments. We are
> completely okay if you can upload old photographs taken by you. Please be
> safe first!
>
> We are also expecting lesser participation than previous years due to the
> restriction of movement due to the pandemic. So, to increase awareness
> about the competition, we have created a promotional video at the last
> moment (special thanks to Ananya and Rahul) and boosted it on Facebook.
> Thanks to CIS-A2K for sponsoring the promotion part.
> You can find the video on Commons here -
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2020_in_India_(Promotional_video).webm
> and on Facebook here - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1616065545227639
>
> Regarding the list of monuments, it will grow even during the competition
> as the data entry is a continuous work for us throughout the year. We
> heartily welcome Wikimedians from different parts of the country to work on
> monuments protected by different local agencies and inform us in the event
> talk page. We will find ways together to include them in the master list.
>
> Just like previous years, we again promising to wrap up everything within
> the expected timeline after the competition ends and we are going to keep
> our promise again. :-)
>
> Welcome you all in the competition,
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
> (On behalf of WLM India organizing team)
>
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Affiliates meeting tomorrow on current situation of Rebranding

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thank you for sharing this Bodhisattva. Do try hard and protect Wikimedia.
Keep us volunteers updated.

On a personal note it is very disheartening to see how they are ignoring us
and moving forward.


On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 20:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Subodhji. Sorry, I made that unintentional mistake. Yes, it is June
> (not January)
>
> 1st call: 21st June, 2020, 8:30 am IST
> 2nd call: 22nd June, 2020, 00:30 am IST
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 19:12, subodh kulkarni 
> wrote:
>
>> It should be June right?
>> Please check and correct.
>>
>> Subodh
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, 6:28 pm Bodhisattwa Mandal, <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I hope that the Indian community members are aware of the turmoil in the
>>> community which has arisen from the entire process of rebranding initiative
>>> of WMF and its recent updates. I hope many of you have noticed the RfC
>>> ,
>>> brand name proposal
>>> 
>>> etc and the widespread opposition this process faced due to several valid
>>> reasons, which were largely ignored in the process. Recently, I guess, all
>>> affiliate contacts got a closed survey link to choose from three
>>> ''Wikipedia'' variants as the future brand.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, the head of Communications department of  WMF published an 
>>> Executive
>>> statement,
>>> 
>>> where she said the decision of rebranding was already made by the WMF
>>> board. If that is true, the community and affiliates do not have the option
>>> to discuss the necessity of the process or stop the process by raising
>>> their valid concerns.
>>>
>>> In this current situation, affiliates are meeting on an emergency basis
>>> to discuss about what is happening and the next course of action from
>>> bottom-up. Details of the meeting can be found here.
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1st call: 21st January, 2020, 8:30 am IST
>>> 2nd call: 22nd January, 2020, 00:30 am IST
>>>
>>> All affiliates from India are requested to send at least one contact
>>> person or representative to join the meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>> (As a *Wikimedia* *volunteer*)
>>>
>>> [P.S. - This post is only for information about the meeting. I do not
>>> have any link with the brand team and the process or WMF.]
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Brand

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Samir,
Why are you sharing Facebook group pages ? Will discussions happen out
there to decide actions. Then tomorrow you will use Whatsapp chat for
action.
You have shared a meta link where only 10 people have signed under
individual section and why this different page.  I know this page Request
for comment (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia)
where more than 400 people have voted to oppose against just 39 votes in
support. Are you taking this even to consider.
Someone has told me that WMF did Brand conference in Bangalore. I cannot
find any Meta for it. Can you please share the page link.

Regards,
Jayantilal

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 2:11 PM, Samir Elsharbaty 
wrote:

> Hi Jayantilal,
>
> Samir Elsharbaty here from the movement brand project team. I'd like to
> build on Subha's response and clarify that proposals for naming conventions
> haven’t been defined yet. According to the project timeline [1], several
> proposals for a naming convention will be shared with the communities for
> feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this review, one proposal
> will be selected and refined. You can check the timeline to learn about
> further phases with public reviews before the full proposal for a brand
> system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation leadership and the Board.
>
> I would like to personally invite you to join us in the Brand Network on
> meta wiki [2] or on Facebook [3] to keep up to date with the project
> updates.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Best,
> Samir
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network
> [3] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediabrandnetwork
>
>
>
> Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
>
> Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
>
> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:42 AM Jayantilal Kothari <
> jayantilal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> There is news about Wikimedia Foundation moving to Wikipedia Foundation ?
>> Can someone update what's the current status and what are the views of
>> Indians ? I am personally interested in knowing more. I don't support this
>> Brand change but I think I do not have all knowledge. What will happen to
>> India and what do Indians feel about this ?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Brand

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Hello,
There is news about Wikimedia Foundation moving to Wikipedia Foundation ?
Can someone update what's the current status and what are the views of
Indians ? I am personally interested in knowing more. I don't support this
Brand change but I think I do not have all knowledge. What will happen to
India and what do Indians feel about this ?


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[Wikimediaindia-l] India IRC for April 2020

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Great job Subodh.
Can you elaborate on what are the language communities CIS would be serving?

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 9:05 AM, subodh kulkarni 
wrote:

> Hello Wikimedians,
>
> Hope this email finds you well. We wish you safe and healthy days ahead
> for all of you.
>
> We want to inform you that an India level IRC for April on 19 at 7–8 pm.
> The agenda for the IRC is as follows -
> * Online support (Ideas & methods)
> * Online Wikisource activities
>
> The link to join IRC - https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#cis-a2k
>
> Looking forward to your participation. Please also share this message.
>
> regards,
>
> Subodh Kulkarni
> Programme Officer
> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Monument 2019 In India just Begin

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All the best Anaya and team!

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 at 5:04 PM, Ananya Mondal 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> *Wiki Loves Monument 2019 in India* has just started and it will run till 
> *30th
> September 2019*.
>
> Those who have not participated yet, hurry and *upload images of heritage
> monuments* of our country to Wikimedia Commons and make this event a
> grand one!
>
>
> *Important link*
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019_in_India
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ananya Mondal
>
> On behalf of Wiki Loves Monument 2019 In India team
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Featured Wikimedian [January 2019]

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Good work Fagu.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 8:12 AM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:

> Inspiring news.
>
> Thanks for recognizing the deserved contributors.
>
> Thanks Fagu, for all great contributions.
>
> Shrini
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[Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource Handbook

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thank you for sharing. Good work keep it up!


On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 12:33 PM, Anirudh S. Bhati 
wrote:

> Fantastic work!  A very comprehensive guide for Wikisource, and also from
> a comparative legal standpoint.
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:25 AM Ananth Subray 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> We all know that Wikisource is one of the trending Wikimedia projects. We
>> are getting many new editors and new books to Indic language Wikisource's.
>> At the same time, we even noticed that there are many problems faced by
>> the
>> new editors and a few of the existing editors.  To help all of the editors
>> we have created a Handbook titled as *Wikisource Handbook for Indic
>> communities
>> <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_Handbook_for_Indian_Communities.pdf
>> >.
>> *Which is now available[1] to everyone to make the best use of it. I
>> request everyone to share this with all those who are in need of support
>> in
>> editing Wikisource.
>>
>>
>> Authors of the book: Bodhisattwa Mandal and Ananth Subray P V.
>>
>>
>> [1].
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_Handbook_for_Indian_Communities.pdf
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>>
>> *ANANTH SUBRAY P V*
>>
>> Programme Associate
>>
>> Access to Knowledge program
>>
>> The Centre for Internet & Society
>>
>> +91-9739811664
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Regarding Uploading 700 photos of a single temple to commons

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thanks Srinivasan for sharing these pictures. Search for some library
reference and you will be able to give name and description to the
pictures.
It is good that Bodhisattva is confident but don't get over-confident also
in anyway. Even uploader is taking suggestions here.
If you don't mind Bodhisattva can I ask what are your experiences in
handling national level photography competition? Why are other affiliate
also not interested in this competition? Why ownership limited to two?
Where is Telugu, CIS & WMIN?

On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 11:49 AM, Shrinivasan T 
wrote:

> I have processed around 350 photos and added to a flickr album
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/tshrinivasan/albums/72157699459704301
>
> Will add remaining on around 10-15 days.
>
> Hope we can move to commons from flickr.
>
> There may be few duplicates.
> Will do more filtering before sending to commons.
>
> Share your thoughts on is it okey to send these kind of pics to commons.
>
> I am still wondering on how to give name and descriptions to all of
> these,as I dont know the names.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hello,
I edit on Telugu Wikipedia & Wikidata. I generally only read and not write
on mails.
Why so much negativity taking place?
Earlier it was about reports. When reports are there the issue is about
meeting was not important. Let us is good faith assume that note has been
taken and transparency in future will be maintained.

Thanks,
జయంతిలాల్

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Yohann Thomas  wrote:

> Dear Bodhi
>
> I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you
> to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many
> times.
>
> Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my
> phone.. Since I'm traveling..
>
> I will again try to explain point wise (where ever possible) & try my best
> to clear all doubts.
>
> 1) Mr Rahul Deshmukh, did not visit Wikimania, on scholarship, or to
> simply attend a random meeting. He was invited to be one of the speakers.
> You can find this on the agenda of it, during Wikimania.. followed by notes
> which carry a description. The ‘Conflict Resolution’ theme on which he was
> a speaker. This is generally a very long topic, on which Wikimedia
> Affiliates intends to discuss and deliberate over a period of time. This
> theme would be subsequently carried forward in upcoming Chairpersons Meetup
> as well, as mentioned on the Meta.
>
> If your memory serves you right.. During the Wiki Conference India 2016,
> where you were also one of the organizers (& the both of us deliberated on
> various topics quite extensively) , several community members who had not
> applied for the scholarship but had later approached CIS-A2K for the same
> were awarded appropriately.
>
> CIS-A2K had later informed the community about this decision.
>
> In good faith, we assumed that, CIS-A2K did not inform the community
> without having any specific interest in the exercise. Wikimedia India would
> also like to place on record, that it could have initiated the process of
> informing on its own. Wikimedia India would like to put on record, in times
> to come not only it would inform the community but also engage with its
> community members on decision making for such exercises.
>
> 2)   Mr Rahul deshmukh had received an on record written invitation to
> attend the meeting and be a speaker on ‘Conflict Resolution’. The above
> said invitation was shown to CIS-A2K, when requesting them for travel
> assistance.
>
> *I have not stated anywhere that he received an invitation during the
> Chairpersons meeting at WMCON18*. He had attended Wikimedia Conference
> 2018 & in it had participated in the movement strategy discussion. It was
> during the movement strategy discussion that he received the invitation.
>
> 3)The chapter has full faith and belief in all its board members
> in both, individual and collective levels. This invitation was to the
> particular individual based on his expertise in the chapter and in
> the movement. Chapter has never considered any of its board members unfit
> to represent it. Personally, I feel Bodhi, it is very unfair on your part,
> to even make such allegation that the chapter would even, consider such
> a scenario. A well wisher of the chapter would never make such comments.
>
> 4)   The Chapter is not of an opinion that the community members should be
> deprived of scholarship. Wikimedia India would like to put emphasis that
> during its grant tenure, Wikimedia India used to provide two sponsorship to
> its community members & we value the joy, which a volunteer gets, when he
> is informed that, he is going to Wikimania.
>
> However, in this scenario , none was deprived on anything. As I have
> repeatedly said, Mr Rahul Deshmukh was invited to attend and give a talk on
> conflict resolution. Since it was about the affiliates & partnerships
> amongst them, the chapter approached another affiliate CIS-A2K and CCing
> the chapter board members
>
> 5) The Chapter does not make any distinction between its board members and
> its community members. Unlike CIS-A2K, Wikimedia India board members are
> unpaid volunteers, similar to its community members, who give their time &
> effort towards the community.
>
> To Sum the entire email, the chapter has made a valuable learning, of
> engaging the community in a more effective way in the future.
>
> Regards,
> Yohann Thomas
> Secretary
> Wikimedia India
>
> P.S. - Neither your previous email, or any other email can affect our
> friendship, Bodhi .Our passion & commitment towards the movement, is what
> binds us :)
>
> 
> On Sun 5 Aug, 2018, 12:27 Bodhisattwa Mandal, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Yohann,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
>>
>>
>> I have read your previous e-mail very carefully, without missing a single
>> word.
>>
>> My question still stands. Many apologies, if I have not been able to make
>> it clear in my previous mails, so I am adding some more perspective.
>>
>> 1) Chairpersons meeting in Wikimania is informal. It's not related to 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Wiki Sprint in Mumbai

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thanks for the update Abhinav.

Regards,

Jayantilal

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear Karthik/ Wikimedians,

 There is nothing secret behind any CIS-A2K event  nothing to get
 depressed without knowing the fact that the rescheduled invitation was
 posted on 27th June 2015. Please go through the following mails.
 If you are still interested, Studio X, Fort exhibition is open till 7th
 July 2015, Tuesday, 11 am to 5 pm and still you can write on Hindustani
 Music related articles.

 Thanks!


 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:57 PM, suyog vyawahare 
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 I was invited!!

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 Date:Wed, 1 Jul, 2015 at 2:54 pm
 Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Sprint in Mumbai

 HI,

 It's quite depressing that none of the Wikipedians from Mumbai as per
 my knowledge were invited to participate except this sarcastic invite.
 Personally, at-least I'm depressed. If things has to go secret, would
 appreciate not to get it in mailing list.

 ​Thanks! ​




 Regards from Mumbai,
 Karthik Nadar.

 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Jayantilal Kothari 
 jayantilal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Abhinav,

 Any Wiki Sprint happening in July-August. I'll be in Mumbai during
 that period and I would like to participate.

 Regards,

 Jayantilal

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Abhinav Garule 
 abhinavgar...@gmail.com wrote:


 *We have rescheduled this Wiki Sprint on 29th June 2015, Monday.
 11:00 am at same location(Studio X,Fort, Mumbai).*
 *Please join us for this event.*

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Abhinav Garule 
 abhinavgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 *This event is postponed due to heavy rain.*
 On Jun 8, 2015 4:47 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 *Dear Wikipedians,*

 *We are planning to hold a Wiki Sprint at Studio X,Fort, Mumbai on
 theme (Hindustani Music and Performing Spaces in Mumbai) partnered 
 with
 CILHE, TISS, Mumbai on 19th June 2015 and there is opportunity to 
 attend
 musical event after Wiki Sprint.*

 *We are looking for 4-5 Wikipedians preferably from Pune or
 Mumbai.*
 *Interested Wikipedians please contact me.*




 Thanks and Regards,


 Abhinav Garule
 +91 9404 9636 60




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 I was invited!!

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 *Subject*:Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Sprint in Mumbai

 HI,

 It's quite depressing that none of the Wikipedians from Mumbai as per my
 knowledge were invited to participate except this sarcastic invite.
 Personally, at-least I'm depressed. If things has to go secret, would
 appreciate not to get it in mailing list.

 ​Thanks! ​




 Regards from Mumbai,
 Karthik Nadar.

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 jayantilal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Abhinav,

 Any Wiki Sprint happening in July-August. I'll be in Mumbai during that
 period and I would like to participate.

 Regards,

 Jayantilal

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 We have rescheduled this Wiki Sprint on 29th June 2015, Monday. 11:00
 am at same location(Studio X,Fort, Mumbai).
 Please join us for this event.

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Abhinav Garule 
 abhinavgar...@gmail.com wrote:

 This event is postponed due to heavy rain.
  On Jun 8, 2015 4:47 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Wikipedians,

 We are planning to hold a Wiki Sprint at Studio X,Fort, Mumbai on
 theme (Hindustani Music and Performing Spaces in Mumbai) partnered with
 CILHE, TISS, Mumbai on 19th June 2015 and there is opportunity to attend
 musical event after Wiki Sprint.

 We are looking for 4-5 Wikipedians preferably from Pune or Mumbai.
 Interested Wikipedians please contact me.




 Thanks and Regards,


 Abhinav Garule
 +91 9404 9636 60




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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Sprint in Mumbai

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Hi Abhinav,

Any Wiki Sprint happening in July-August. I'll be in Mumbai during that
period and I would like to participate.

Regards,

Jayantilal

Sent from my iPhone

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
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 We have rescheduled this Wiki Sprint on 29th June 2015, Monday. 11:00 am
 at same location(Studio X,Fort, Mumbai).
 Please join us for this event.

 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This event is postponed due to heavy rain.
  On Jun 8, 2015 4:47 PM, Abhinav Garule abhinavgar...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Wikipedians,

 We are planning to hold a Wiki Sprint at Studio X,Fort, Mumbai on theme
 (Hindustani Music and Performing Spaces in Mumbai) partnered with CILHE,
 TISS, Mumbai on 19th June 2015 and there is opportunity to attend musical
 event after Wiki Sprint.

 We are looking for 4-5 Wikipedians preferably from Pune or Mumbai.
 Interested Wikipedians please contact me.




 Thanks and Regards,


 Abhinav Garule
 +91 9404 9636 60




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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Announcing Phase 1 of Wiki Loves Food

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hello WMIN  WLF team,

I suggest you to involve people from other communities who have organized
such events earlier.

I can help you with few names.

Ravishankar from Tamil Community

Naveen Francis and Kartik Nadar from Wiki Loves Monument.

Shantanu Chandra from Bengali Community.

Biswarup Ganguly  who has 25000 plus edits on Commons.

*I also suggest everyone to not entertain people like Srikanth on this
list. *

Srikanth has no interest in Wikimedia India Chapter and that's why he
resigned from the EC.

He left the chapter in crisis. I still remember the thread WMIN EC in
Minority which Srikanth started on the mailing list. (You can check the
archives and you'll get to know what I'm talking about)

He along with his 2 friends (also Ex EC members) strategically stepped down
from the EC on the face of the previous elections and wanted to dissolve
the WMIN Chapter. Thanks to people like Viswa, Sudhanwa, Jayanta, Ekbal 
Nikita who saved the chapter at that time.

Good luck for the event.

Best Wishes,
Jayantilal

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Sanket Oswal sankos...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Dhaval,

 We apologize for not responding on your query on commons. If you see the
 history on the discussion page, each and every question has been answered
 by some or the other volunteer for WLF. I don't know how we missed it.

 Regarding your question about why Wikimedia India is concerned, I suggest
 you to check the word 'India' in Wikimedia India. As a chapter of India,
 WMIN has a focus to involve each and every language community.

 I don't see any harm if the organizers of the event calls one of the
 volunteers. Also, you should understand that this is a community led event
  we would want the volunteers to initiate discussions in their respective
 language groups.

 Thanks,
 Sanket Oswal

 On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Arun Ramarathnam arunra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I also concur that the prize money should  be token for a pilot with 50
 participants.

 Also I have also suggested on the wiki that this is not related to
 language but states.

 Please do  take into account  wider feedback from this email trail into
 account.

 Good luck for the pilot.

 Regards
 Arun
 On 15-Apr-2015 09:29, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really, token prices can be understood, but in thousands of Rs? The
 money can be spent on better things imho.

 On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:45 AM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Yohann Thomas yohan...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  You can find all the details related to the event here
 
  The link at 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Food
  states ...we will be handing out bigger prizes to entice people to
  participate and donate their photos to Commons.  Are prizes being
  handed out as an incentive to increase contribution and participation
  or, as an enticement?
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

[Jayantilal Kothari]

+1 Arnav



On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello everyone,

  As Wikipedians, I'm not sure how many support Net Neutrality, but as
 Netizens I'm sure most of them are supporting Net Neutrality.

 I'd certainly like to use {citation needed} here, but let's give it a pass
 for now ;)

  I do recollect how Wikipedia helped protest against SOPA and PIPA. I
 think this kind of protest will help the maximum community of Netizens as
 whole. Also, as Indian Wikipedians, we would grab some eyballs which would
 have impact on contributions to Wikimedia projects as well.

 Firstly, SOPA/PIPA is not equal to net neutrality debate going on in
 India. Secondly, sopa/pipa was for the US where WMF is registered and run
 the servers from.

 And grab some eyeballs is certainly not a justification to run site wide
 banners misguiding people.
 What sort of impact on contributions are you even suggesting of getting
 out from this? Do you even have any statistics on the rise of number of
 contributions on Wikimedia projects after sopa blackout?

 
  I think Wikipedia, especially the English community should initiate a
 discussion on how the community and contribute to create an impact in
 India.

 Sure, allow the internet to penetrate the Indian market.

 
 
  Please note: Wikipedia Zero and Airtel Zero (just as an example) is all
 together a different concept; where the first focuses on on giving
 educational right to individuals and later to promote business of their
 partners by various means (speeding their partners site, slowing down
 competitors site and so on).

 I certainly need citation here, which telecom company has slowed down the
 competitors site? If they want to speed their partners site, they certainly
 could, because its their private property. Also these providers fear the
 impact of loosing a customer segment if they start fast laning select sites
 and services only.

  Just imagine a day a paid encyclopedia loads faster in all ISPs then
 Wikipedia. Do we want to see such a day?

 Seriously? Wikipedia is where it is today because of the successful
 disruptive model, everyone (I assume) knows this! Can you even name one
 encyclopedia and one isp who would even think to implement what you wrote
 above? If any telecom company even did so, they sure would be running out
 of business.

 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Net Neutrality and Wikipedia

[Jayantilal Kothari]

To understand what exactly is net neutrality please watch this video.

http://goo.gl/6KDcvV

Regards,
Jayantilal

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in
wrote:

 Dear all,

 As Wikipedians, I'm not sure how many support Net Neutrality, but as
 Netizens I'm sure most of them are supporting Net Neutrality.

 Considering 24 April 2015 is the last day to protest against telecoms and
 request TRAI to have to have relook onto the consultation paper
 http://www.trai.gov.in/content/CONSULTATION/0_All.aspx, I think
 Wikipedia also stands as a major platform to lend support to all Netizens
 including ourselves.

 I do recollect how Wikipedia helped protest against SOPA and PIPA
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA#Wikimedia_community.
 I think this kind of protest will help the maximum community of Netizens as
 whole. Also, as Indian Wikipedians, we would grab some eyballs which would
 have impact on contributions to Wikimedia projects as well.

 I think Wikipedia, especially the English community should initiate a
 discussion on how the community and contribute to create an impact in
 India.


 *Please note: *Wikipedia Zero and Airtel Zero (just as an example) is all
 together a different concept; where the first focuses on on giving
 educational right to individuals and later to promote business of their
 partners by various means (speeding their partners site, slowing down
 competitors site and so on).

 FYI: Flipkart did withdrew from Airtel Zero lending your official support
 to Net Neutrality.

 Some more facts:

 * Net Neutrality in India Wikipedia article is seeing increase everydays
 in terms of views
 * More than 4 lakhs emails has been sent to TRAI from
 http://www.netneutrality.in/ alone




 Just imagine a day a paid encyclopedia loads faster in all ISPs then
 Wikipedia. Do we want to see such a day?

 Regards from Mumbai,
 Karthik Nadar.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WMIN-Members] Wikimania 2015 participants from India

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thanks Ravi for sharing this information.

Regards,
Jayantilal

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Congrats to everyone!

 Just to let you know, that if Indian passport holders have a long term US
 visa they don't need any visa for Mexico.

 Thanks,
 Arnav http://arnavs.com/.
 (User:Rangilo_Gujarati)
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rangilo_Gujarati.

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 If that is the case every Indian who has been awarded a scholarship,
 should include the cost of a trip to Delhi when accepting the scholarship.
 On 14-Apr-2015 7:45 pm, Rohini Lakshané rohini.laksh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I checked with my travel agent; Indians need to visit the Mexican
 embassy in New Delhi for recording biometrics for the visa.

 Congrats to everyone who got the scholarship!

 Regards,
 Rohini
 On 13 Apr 2015 16:30, Ravishankar Ayyakkannu ravidre...@wikimedia.in
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I request Wikimania 2015 participants from India to register at

 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikimania_2015#Participants

 Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like Indian citizens will
 have to personally appear for an interview at the Mexico Embassy in New
 Delhi. For people far away from New Delhi, to and fro flight charges plus a
 day's stay plus Visa fee can easily come around 25,000 INR.

 Since 14th April is the last day for accepting scholarships from WMF,
 please be aware of this additional expense and inform Wikimania Scholarship
 committee if you need additional funding to meet this expense.

 We can discuss and summarize more such details at

 http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikimania_2015

 Ravi

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-l] Board Meeting Update

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Why you are annoying others with these mails. No one is interested to know
who is Bishakha Dutta.

Regards,
Jayantilal.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks for this lovely email, Theo. It means a lot. Flashed me straight
 back to all the fun we had together, all of which helped balance out the
 tough debates. :)

 In case people are wondering, my term ends December 2014 - I'll be active
 until then, but am not seeking re-appointment for another two-year term.
 Being on the WMF board is extremely rewarding but a significant time
 commitment - one that I'm finding increasingly hard to fulfil, which is why
 I'm stepping down at the end of the year.

 But I'm going to continue to do other (less time-consuming) stuff in the
 movement after my term ends, so this is nowhere near goodbye.

 Cheers
 Bishakha





 On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am forwarding this update from the board below, in case this was
 overlooked. It seems relevant to the Indian community. It's sad to learn
 that Bishakha will not be seeking re-appointment to the board at the end of
 the year. The board, the community and the movement at large was always
 better for having her in it.

 I want to thank her for a lot of things, but I'm not sure if this is the
 right time or if I'll be online at the right time. In any case, I want to
 say I'm so grateful for her years of service and perseverance through many
 contentious topics. I'm the first to admit that we've certainly had our
 share of disagreements, and passionate debates over the year, but we also
 shared more than a few good laughs in person. I still remember when
 Bishakha was trying to tell me the correct pronunciation of Entschuldigen
 sie bitte over dinner, I'm sure my pronunciation didn't improve but she
 tried patiently and resiliently for more than an hour. Our disagreements
 stemmed mostly from relatively professional topics related to the board and
 the direction things were going, and I'm probably at fault for a lot of
 negativity during those times - I'm sorry about that Bishakha. She joined
 the board at a difficult time when the foundation was expanding and going
 through a lot of big changes, there weren't a lot of female Indian members
 around the board or the community back then but she always represented the
 Indian community with a smile, grace and resilience and tried to be as
 inclusive as possible along the way. I have nothing but the highest opinion
 of her personally, she was always warm and good-natured in all our personal
 interactions. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the Indian community who
 feels the same.

 Thanks for all the hard-work Bishakha. You will be missed, Ma'am.

 Warm regards
 Theo


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 Hello Everyone

 While the minutes of the Board of Trustees meeting will arrive in due
 time I wanted to update you on some internal matters at this point because
 there have been some changes in the board composition.

 Ana Toni joined our board last year but unfortunately the time demands
 placed upon a Wikimedia Board member were not compatible with her other
 commitments. This has given the board something to think about. We aim to
 be a board that is able to incorporate outside expertise to increase our
 effectiveness and possible candidates are often not able to commit the time
 which we currently require.. In the coming period we want to have a look at
 the time which is demanded of a board member (especially our in person
 meetings which require a lot of travel) and look at which activities we
 need to perform as a board. We want to thank Ana for her contributions. The
 insights gained from her position as Chair of Greenpeace International were
 especially useful to us as a board. We are sad to see her go, but we hope
 to keep her in “our space”.

 Bishakha Datta joined our board in March 2010 and has indicated to us
 that she is not available for re-appointment after her term runs out in
 December of this year. We will take the time to properly thank her for her
 great contributions when her term formally ends in December.

 While these things are part of of the normal turnover of the composition
 of the board (and are also an opportunity to attract new fields of
 expertise as needed) there is a matter of board stability during the first
 year of the tenure of our new Executive Director. In response to Lila's
 request for stability the board has decided the following:

 1) Alice Wiegand was appointed to finish out Ana's term ending December
 2014.  We also appointed Alice to carry out the subsequent term ending
 December 2016.

 2) Last year at Wikimania I was appointed to the board for a two year
 period, but I tendered my resignation 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] My resignation as President and EC member of Wikimedia India chapter

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Dear Moksh!
You have a 3 months baby which means you were already execpting a child a
year ago. It was not a natural calaminity or something like that which
occured suddenly. Having 3 months old baby is just a fake reason behind
your resignation. I haven't seen any work or activity done by you or your
EC in your tenure till date.

Regards,
Jayantilal.


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Ashwin Baindur
 ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sorry to hear that, Moksh. Please ensure a smooth transition to whomever
 is
  to take up the reins of this organisation. Wishing you all the very best
 in
  your private and professional life!

 +1

 I hope Moksh will not leave without closing the pending things
 mentioned by Jayanta and he continues till the time a new EC takes
 over.

 Regards
 -Sudhanwa


 
 
  On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
  Thanks for your work toward our shared mission.  Enjoy the precious time
  with the little one. :)
 
  A.
 
  On Aug 27, 2014 7:34 AM, Moksh Juneja mo...@wikimedia.in wrote:
 
  Dear all,
 
  It's with a heavy heart that I would like to announce my resignation
 from
  as the President and Executive Committee of the Wikimedia India
 Chapter with
  immediate effect. With this, my respect for all of your contributions
 to the
  Movement has only increased, knowing about all the sweat and blood
 that goes
  into the creation of the community that defines the Movement as we
 know it,
  today.
 
  The reasons for my silence on the public list are for the same reasons
  that I am quitting today. They are personal. As a Person grows, the
  responsibility also grows and a point comes where the personal becomes
 more
  important than the public.
 
  I've had a hard time balancing work, life and my interests. In the
  balancing act, it is my family that has missed out the most,
 especially now
  that I have become a father of a 3 month old girl. The demands on me
 have
  grown and I find that I can no longer contribute usefully to the
 Movement or
  that someone else can do more justice to the role.
 
  I thank you all for your love, help and support. I hope to keep
  contributing to the Movement when I can.
 
  --
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Membership Card

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hello Somwyan!
When will I get my Wikimedia India Membership card?

Regards,
Jayantilal.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF's new Privacy Policy

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thank you Srikanth for sharing this.

-Jayntilal.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I hope you all have gone thru WMF's blog post for the Privacy policy that
 is to be implemented with effect from 6th June 2014.


 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/07/launching-a-privacy-policy-built-the-wiki-way/



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[Wikimediaindia-l] Mail Moderation

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Why are my mails moderated on mailing list?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Membership

[Jayantilal Kothari]

As Sowyman has retired, who is responsible for approving the membership?
How long would it take to approve from the day you receive the form?

-Jayantilal.


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jayantilal,
 I do live in the 21st century,
 so does everyone else, I hope you are aware of that.

 The paper form requirement is a requirement because the Registrar of
 Societies Karnataka requires a physical copy of the applicant's signature.
 This is why we cannot accept scanned forms.
 This is no trick.

 If your DD was sent to the right address in 2012/2013, I'm sure it must
 have been processed, that's how I registered /renewed myself.
 As I stated earlier, you ca ALSO do a NEFT transfer, that is paperless you
 know.

 You can do this from the comfort of your home, no need to actually go to
 the post office, you can put the envelope in a post box, it still reaches.
 P.S: Since we're anyway trolling, do we still have long queues at post
 offices these days?


 On 12 May 2014 13:34, Jayantilal Kothari jayantilal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Srikant!
 I hope you live in 21st century.
 Downloading the form, then taking a printout and filling it manually,
 then going to stationery shop to buy an envelope and then going to
 post office to stand in the long que in this hot summer just to
 snail-mail a piece of paper is such a head ache for a old man like me.

 Apart from travelling to post-office, I have to spend another Rs. 40
 to send it by registered post so that it reaches fast  I have proof.
 If I send it by ordinary post (like I did last time) I do not have any
 proof  even if you receive the form you can claim that you did not
 receive my form as there is no witness with me through which I can
 prove that I have sent the form.

 I had sent Rs. 100 DD twice (March 2012  April 2013)  along with my
 form and I'm not a member yet. :(
 Even my money is lost.

 Why can't you make the system paperless?

 What's the matter in scanning and sending the form?

 Why don't you make an eform for all the members?

 Is this a trick to keep away the new members from the chapter?

 Sent from cellphone while standing in the long que at post office, pardon
 the sender.
 -Jayantilal

 On 5/12/14, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:
  Jayantilal,
  The payment can be made online, however a.physical copy of the form must
  reach the Chapter office.
  Please also Send a copy of your proof of ID.
 
  Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender.
  --
  Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
  Treasurer.
  On May 11, 2014 6:43 PM, Jayantilal Kothari jayantilal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello Wikimedians!
 
  What is the procedure to become a member of Wikimedia India?
 
  I have downloaded the form and filled it. Where and to whom shall I
 send
  the form?
 
  Is it okay if I send a scanned copy to Sowyman and make the payment
  online
  or is it mandatory to send it in physical?
 
  Warm Regards,
  Jayantilal.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Legal threat for Wikimedia community volunteers in India getting WMF grants

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Ansuman: Can you please share the mail public?

-Jayantilal.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:43 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote:

 If anybody wants to read the conversation, drop me an email, I will share
 the part where Vishnu misunderstood and took it as a threat, and his reply
 threatening me on the same note. He was not the right person to share my
 concerns, writing the email on the first place was a mistake by me. So
 there is no point of accusing him.

 Right now there are important issues being discussed, lets focus on that.
 Thanks.



 Ansuman




 On 14 May 2014 20:23, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sunil,

 Thanks for once again confirming that Wikipedia India Trust had no role
 in former WMF India programs.

 My intention is not to investigate if WMF adhered to local laws while
 running the program but to highlight that community led programs with WMF
 grants are no different in execution from WMF run programs like IEP.

 Ravi



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mail Moderation

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Thats the only mail which was not moderated. After that i replied you but
its moderated.
I've also replied on other threads but they all are not getting posted.


On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 If they were moderated, I wouldn't be replying to it, since I wouldn't be
 seeing it.



 On 14 May 2014 00:12, Jayantilal Kothari jayantilal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why are my mails moderated on mailing list?

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Membership

[Jayantilal Kothari]

Hello Wikimedians!

What is the procedure to become a member of Wikimedia India?

I have downloaded the form and filled it. Where and to whom shall I send
the form?

Is it okay if I send a scanned copy to Sowyman and make the payment online
or is it mandatory to send it in physical?

Warm Regards,
Jayantilal.
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