Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference India 2020] Conference & Event Grant proposal to WMF

[Piyush Maurya]

I also do not think this kind of huge budget is necessary especially for
event of Wiki Women Camp.

We should use the money received by donation to develop wiki projects
online. This is the fundamental rule we should apply here.

Piyush Maurya,
Admin of Hindi Wikipedia and Contact person of Hindi Wikimedians User Group

On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, 4:38 pm Yohann Thomas,  wrote:

> Hi krishna
>
> If my memory serves me right, Wikiconference India 2016 had a budget
> around 33lakh INR. I haven't read the grant report yet, nor have I done a
> comparison with the 2016 event.. But according to your previous email, is
> having an event more than twice the budget of 2016 one, to almost 71lakh
> Rs.. Is it really justified..
>
> If yes.. What are you planning which is different from last times
> conference?
>
> Regards,
> Yohann
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 2:58 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bodhi,
>>
>> Firstly, speaking of "1 crore 60 lakhs rupees" together might not be the
>> best way to look at it. I am not wrong, I am assuming that you are talking
>> about WikiWomen Camp, which is also happening in India. But that is
>> completely unrelated to WikiConference India, I mean in terns of budget,
>> goals and objectives. You might want to separately comment on each of them,
>> if you want to. To clarify the confusion for others, WikiConference India's
>> budget is ₹7,181,212.50 + additional fiscal sponsorship charge of ₹718,121.25
>> (10% of the budget). The former amount is that which goes into the spending
>> of the conference.
>>
>> An amount could be spent on several other smaller projects, but every
>> type of program has its own importance. In terms of impact, a conference
>> may not have tangible or numerical metrics to be considered, but it does
>> have impact on communities and India as a whole. Even for this conference,
>> we are trying to make the goals as objective as possible. Components of the
>> conference such as content creation campaign beforehand, and a
>> Mini-Hackathon, will try to ensure that. Also since Capacity development
>> emerged out as the most required need of the hour from the Community
>> Engagement Survey, we have specific evaluation measures to see if it really
>> helped people.
>>
>> You are most welcome to take your comments on regarding specific budget
>> items or the plan on the talk page, and it can be taken forward from there.
>>
>> Regards,
>> KC
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 12:12 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Krishna,
>>>
>>> Sorry to say, but as a volunteer, I can not find justification of
>>> spending 1 crore 60 lakhs rupees on just two conferences happening one
>>> after another. The amount is  huge and beyond my imagination.
>>>
>>> As a volunteer coming from West Bengal community which have always
>>> worked on optimal budget and respected donation money, and yet delivered
>>> consistent results through impactful projects each year, I find these
>>> expenditure out of proportion. This money could have been otherwise spent
>>> on several high impact projects for many years.
>>>
>>> I cannot say on behalf of my entire community but, personally, from my
>>> part, I cannot endorse this. Also, I guess, endorsement or opposition
>>> doesn't matter nowadays and these proposals will eventually get approved,
>>> in that case, I will not participate in the events in any capacity.
>>>
>>> Sorry, if I sound too harsh, but that's only because English is not my
>>> native language. I could have better expressed in my mother tongue.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bodhisattwa
>>> (totally as a Wikimedia volunteer)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 11:14 Dr. Manavpreet Kaur, <
>>> dr.manavpreetk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Great initiative. It's been 4 years since we all met and shared
>>>> experiences. This conference will also help us plan our future initiatives.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes!
>>>> Manav
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2020, 08:41 Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am happy to inform you we have submitted the Conference & Event
>>>>> Grant proposal for WikiConference India 2020
>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiProject Covid-19 in Indic languages

[Piyush Maurya]

Special thanks to User:Navinsingh133 for making the given list of Hindi
Wikipedia articles which are copy pasted here without any changes.

User:WikiPanti and User:Srajaltiwari contributions on these articles are
valuable. They have created more articles on this important topic than
listed here.

Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020, 3:30 pm Suyash Dwivedi,  wrote:

> Hello Pawan and  Friends
>  I am happy to share Hindi Wikipedians are working on some useful COVID-19
> related  pages in Hindi here is the list
>
>
>- 2019 नोवेल कोरोनावायरस
>
> 
>- कोरोनावायरस
>
> 
>- कोरोनावायरस_रोग_2019
>
> 
>- कोरोनावायरस_से_सम्बंधित_ग़लत_जानकारी
>
> 
>- 2019–20_कोरोनावायरस_महामारी
>
> 
>- 2019–20_में_देश_और_क्षेत्र_के_अनुसार_कोरोनावायरस_का_प्रकोप
>
> 
>-  A  dedicated Category  https://hi.wikipedia.org/s/haaf
>
>
> I am always available for any help I can do for this initiative.
>
> *Regards,*
>
>
> *Suyash Dwivedi*
> *U:Suyash.dwivedi*
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:53 AM Dr. Manavpreet Kaur <
> dr.manavpreetk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Pavan
>>
>> Kudos to all of you who have been working tirelessly to provide
>> information to the people seeking it in Indic languages. I am always
>> available to support you all in every possible manner.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manav
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 4:27 PM Netha Hussain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pavan,
>>>
>>> Great initiative! I shall be very happy to make more short versions of
>>> any COVID-19 related articles for the Wikiproject.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Netha
>>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, 12:17 pavan santhosh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Friends,

 I would like to start the mail with a word of love. I hope everyone of
 us are doing well during this difficult times. I believe that we will get
 through this situation and collectively world will outlive this pandemic.
 What we are contributing to this world become enormously important during
 this difficult times than any time ever before. Several volunteers around
 the world contributing to create, improve, and update content about the
 Covid-19 and pandemic which in many ways is service to the world.

 During 3rd week of March, I created and worked on a WikiProject to
 co-ordinate efforts (prioritize, list-out articles and resources, organize
 workflow, etc.,) to create, improve and update content about Covid-19 in
 Telugu Wikipedia. After that, on March 22, I started doing the same for
 Indian languages by creating page for WikiProject Covid-19 in Indic
 languages in meta. Unfortunately, due to a personal loss, I couldn't do
 much about it for few weeks. Later I started coordinating people and
 improving the Project page which finally took a shape:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiproject:Covid-19_in_Indic_languages
 .

 *What is Wikiproject Covid-19 in Indic languages? Why is this required?*

 *Wikiproject Covid-19 in Indian languages* is a meta-wiki project
 dedicated to co-ordinate efforts to coverage about topics related in Indian
 language Wikipedias. Although there are several efforts going on in various
 Indian languages, there needs a central co-ordination project to ensure
 more collaboration and better outcomes.

 Some of the things that we can do together:

- Co-ordinating efforts to create, share, and localise materials
and media needed to improve the articles.
- Collaborating with other 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WP:NPOV violation

[Piyush Maurya]

Hi Methu,

I am not really much active on enwiki. But you can find some users who
might me interested on WikiProject_Indian_history

or on general
WikiProject_India
. Hope this
helps.

Thanks,
Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 2:11 PM Methu Ryan  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm not a new user, lost my older account. I was active on WP couple of
> years back.
> While reading an article I found that few articles about violate WP:NPOV
> (such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Chinese_Indians ).
>
> This is not a discussion about one or two articles. The aggressive
> adjectives and phrases should be changed. I have made a few changes to the
> article, please see the history. I have also posted this on the
> article-talk page, but, I believed that many Indian (or people who know the
> context) users are not active on those articles. Where can I find people
> who write on *Indian History* or people who monitor *WP:NPOV* and
> *WP:Civility?*
>
> Regards,
> Methu
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Quality enrichment editathon [Hiwi]

[Piyush Maurya]

Dear Wikimedians,

Hope you are safe and well. Currently Hindi_Wikimedians_User_Group
 is
organizing a editathon across three of its project: Wikipedia, Wikibooks
and Wikisource.[1]

It is a part of Wikisammelan 2020 [2] organized in February 2020 in New
Delhi. The editathon's original name is *गुणवत्ता संवर्द्धन संपादनोत्सव.*
It is going on from 1 May 2020 and will run until 31 May 2020.

Interested users can write their name at respective project pages and start
participation.

Thank You,
On behalf of Hindi Wikimedians User Group
Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी

)

[1] https://hi.wikimedia.org/wiki/गुणवत्ता_संवर्द्धन_संपादनोत्सव
[2] https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/विकिपीडिया:सम्मेलन/हिंदी_विकि_सम्मेलन_2020
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Secret WMF Job of Krishna Chaitanya Velaga

[Piyush Maurya]

Hi Arvind,

There are many cases where WMF appointed someone for x community and
community didn't know nothing about it until the process is over.

Transparency is lacking in the foundation's working environment. If you
share your username or what you do in the Wikimedia projects it will give
your comments some value.

Kind regards,
Piyush
(User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)


On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 4:50 pm Arvind Menon,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The individual grantee for Wikiconference India 2020 grant had secretly
> done a WMF Contract job with the Community Program Team some month ago.
> There was no public announcement for the job so I believe no selection
> process or hidden selection and no public documentation that he was
> working. My question is why was he given the job depriving other community
> members from India who want to work but apply and get rejected. What was
> the need of WMF to hide the process by not informing or documenting.
>
> So on Wikiconference India grant WMF was applying to WMF and WMF was going
> to accept WMF grant. Atleast from WMF grant comments it looks because
> community blamed grant taking so much money.
>
> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Secret WMF Job of Krishna Chaitanya Velaga

[Piyush Maurya]

Hi Krishna and all,

Thanks for very detailed clarification. I agree this was some kind of
dubious statement without any credibility (which my comment showed).

But to get some real outcome of this discussion if any. I want to know how
the foundation chooses or appoints people for posts roll out for
communities. I have been witness to several such cases in the past year or
so where such posts got filled by someone without community consultation or
knowledge.

I'm talking about Hindi Wikimedia community in this case. What is the
procedure for applying for these posts. We get several people here who
doesn't know how to write Hindi and are serving as communication bridge or
liaison. And they seem to be getting these (they get paid) jobs by some
kind of connection among themselves.

Many thanks,
Piyush
(User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)


On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 8:29 pm Tito Dutta,  wrote:

> I agree. It rushed towards a conclusion without caring about questions and
> discussion. There was not much good faith assumed as well, in my opinion.
>
> (My opinion is in personal capacity)
> --User:Titodutta
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:34 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Firstly, I would like to condemn this email from a person named “Arvind
>> Menon” - this email is very much a personal attack on me, to misguide a
>> community member, character assasination and to defame, all using a fake
>> profile. If the person is actually seeking any information for community
>> benefit, as Piyush rightly pointed, it would be helpful to know the
>> person’s Wikimedia identity, and their work. Otherwise, this can merely be
>> regarded as an ad hominem attack, which has happened several times in the
>> past on this mailing list.
>>
>> Before I go into details, I have been very disturbed by this email, as
>> several people were asking me, and I was pressurised. I personally request
>> community members to look for authenticity before considering anything. I
>> fear this might become a practice to target people just by creating fake
>> profiles/emails, and wrongfully nameshaming them on public platforms,
>> without complete understanding.
>>
>> Regarding my role with WMF, firstly, there was a contract, but I did not
>> have any employment, and do not hold any. There has been public
>> documentation about it, and stating there wasn't any is untrue. All the
>> relevant details+evidence will be put forward. I have asked WMF support
>> regarding the same, and they would be giving further on this shortly
>> (probably in a day or two) after this email.
>>
>> I would like to particularly focus on the WikiConference India part. My
>> relation with WMF has nothing to do with the grant, and no benefit of the
>> same has been applied in either of the contexts. Though initially people
>> expressed concerns, many of them, after clarifying, went on to support the
>> proposal, and it gained more than 40 endorsements
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#Endorsements>
>> from community members, which shows the community is in favour of the
>> proposal and the conference. WMF comments were not against it. We created
>> FAQs
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#FAQs>
>> on the grant page itself to help community members understand the reasons
>> behind it, and even all the questions on talk page were answered. We also
>> mentioned that “all bills worth valuing more than ₹30,000.00 will be
>> publicly published” - this demonstrates transparency, in an attempt to
>> establish a new practice. Anyway, the entire Conference and Event Grants
>> program has been paused due to COVID-19 pandemic, and none of the proposals
>> forwarded from the initial stage.
>>
>> I provided clarification even though the initial email doesn’t address me
>> or respectfully seeks any information. I am taking this effort to provide
>> detailed clarification, for the sake of community members and understanding
>> only. This email, though posted by a fake profile, created great stress,
>> and almost spoiled my entire day. I once again request the community to be
>> careful of random postings with unidentifiable identities. I wonder if
>> there is any way further such personal attacks can be avoided, towards any
>> community member.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Krishna Chaitanya V.
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 20:55 Piyush Maurya,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arvind,
>>>
>>> There are many cases where WMF appointed someone for x community and
>>> community didn't kn

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Secret WMF Job of Krishna Chaitanya Velaga

[Piyush Maurya]

Thanks Sivaraam,

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about part-time hired people
serving for 6 months or so on specific projects serving for specific
language communities. In India on account of Hindi's largest user base
Foundation chooses it whenever a new project comes in for getting input.
Mostly these positions are called 'liaison'.

They get paid and mostly these job's information not get publicly available
(like mailing list or village pump but maybe on the link you gave).
Whenever a new initiative takes place in foundation, these newly made
positions get filled up by people who doesn't have the confidence of the
community and in severe cases can't even write Hindi!

This is a important issue for our community. More information on this will
be helpful.

Many thanks,
Piyush
(User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, 9:23 pm Piyush Maurya,  wrote:

> Hi Krishna and all,
>
> Thanks for very detailed clarification. I agree this was some kind of
> dubious statement without any credibility (which my comment showed).
>
> But to get some real outcome of this discussion if any. I want to know how
> the foundation chooses or appoints people for posts roll out for
> communities. I have been witness to several such cases in the past year or
> so where such posts got filled by someone without community consultation or
> knowledge.
>
> I'm talking about Hindi Wikimedia community in this case. What is the
> procedure for applying for these posts. We get several people here who
> doesn't know how to write Hindi and are serving as communication bridge or
> liaison. And they seem to be getting these (they get paid) jobs by some
> kind of connection among themselves.
>
> Many thanks,
> Piyush
> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 8:29 pm Tito Dutta,  wrote:
>
>> I agree. It rushed towards a conclusion without caring about questions
>> and discussion. There was not much good faith assumed as well, in my
>> opinion.
>>
>> (My opinion is in personal capacity)
>> --User:Titodutta
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:34 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
>> kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Firstly, I would like to condemn this email from a person named “Arvind
>>> Menon” - this email is very much a personal attack on me, to misguide a
>>> community member, character assasination and to defame, all using a fake
>>> profile. If the person is actually seeking any information for community
>>> benefit, as Piyush rightly pointed, it would be helpful to know the
>>> person’s Wikimedia identity, and their work. Otherwise, this can merely be
>>> regarded as an ad hominem attack, which has happened several times in the
>>> past on this mailing list.
>>>
>>> Before I go into details, I have been very disturbed by this email, as
>>> several people were asking me, and I was pressurised. I personally request
>>> community members to look for authenticity before considering anything. I
>>> fear this might become a practice to target people just by creating fake
>>> profiles/emails, and wrongfully nameshaming them on public platforms,
>>> without complete understanding.
>>>
>>> Regarding my role with WMF, firstly, there was a contract, but I did not
>>> have any employment, and do not hold any. There has been public
>>> documentation about it, and stating there wasn't any is untrue. All the
>>> relevant details+evidence will be put forward. I have asked WMF support
>>> regarding the same, and they would be giving further on this shortly
>>> (probably in a day or two) after this email.
>>>
>>> I would like to particularly focus on the WikiConference India part. My
>>> relation with WMF has nothing to do with the grant, and no benefit of the
>>> same has been applied in either of the contexts. Though initially people
>>> expressed concerns, many of them, after clarifying, went on to support the
>>> proposal, and it gained more than 40 endorsements
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#Endorsements>
>>> from community members, which shows the community is in favour of the
>>> proposal and the conference. WMF comments were not against it. We created
>>> FAQs
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#FAQs>
>>> on the grant page itself to help community members understand the reasons
>>> behind it, and even all the questions on talk page were answered. We also
>>> mentioned that “a

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On-Wiki Contribution: 1 January 2021

[Piyush Maurya]

Hello all,

Happy New Year, I'm sharing my last month contribution (On Hindi Wikipedia):


   - Finished up the process of organizing Wikipedia Asian Month.
   - Created two new articles for Festive_Season_2020_edit-a-thon
   .
   - Did regular administrator work.

Thanks,
Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 7:29 PM Nitesh Gill  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
> Wishing you Happy New Year! One month ago or last month, I started a
> thread on the mailing-list for the purpose of sharing “On-Wiki
> Contribution”. Let’s share our on-wiki work which we did during last month
> on the volunteer capacity. I am sharing my past month contribution below;
>
>
>
>- I am committed to 100wikidays challenge, under this challenge I
>developed one article each day on Punjabi Wikipedia.
>- Created 2 articles on Punjabi Wikipedia during Festive Season 2020
>edit-a-thon.
>- Edited few articles on Wikipedia as well.
>- Also did some admin works.
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Nitesh Gill
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On-Wiki Contribution: 1 February 2021

[Piyush Maurya]

Hello all, here is my summary of past month's volunteer work.


   - Created/developed three articles for Hindi-Punjabi Wikimedians meet on
   15 January.
   - After review, declared a new featured article on Hindi Wikipedia.
   - Did other administrator's work.

Thanks,
Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:13 PM Nitesh Gill  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
> Hope you are doing well. From last 2 months we are sharing our On-wiki
> contribution. I am going to share my past month volunteer work below
>
>
>* I developed one article each day on Punjabi Wikipedia
>
>- created three new articles under the Wikipedia 20th Anniversary
>edit-a-thon
>- Created one new article and developed one article during the
>Hindi-Punjabi Wikimedians meet on 15 January.
>- Edited a few articles and fix minor errors or added templates.
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Wiki Loves Monuments 2021 in India winners

[Piyush Maurya]

Nice. Congratulations to all the winners.

Piyush (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी)

On Mon, 1 Nov, 2021, 6:18 pm Bodhisattwa Mandal, <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Wikimedians,
>
> It gives us immense pleasure to inform you all that the 3-members
> national jury team
> 
> of Wiki Loves Monuments 2020 in India
> 
> photo-competition has announced the 10 winning photographs of the national
> competition. We had 750 photographers, 83% of them were new, who uploaded
> more than 5000 photographs in total.
>
> The winning photographs are as follows-
>
>1. Gali Mantapa
>, Chitradurga
>Karnataka by Basavarajmin21
>
> 
>2. Gujari Mahal
>
> ,
>Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh by ASHISHMIND
>
> 
>3. Fauti Masjid
>,
>Murshidabad, West Bengal by DeepanjanGhosh
>
>4. Pan Supari Bazar
>,
>Hampi, Karnataka by Basavarajmin21
>
> 
>5. Shanti Stupa
>,
>Leh, Ladakh by ClickAR89
>
> 
>6. Temple, Hampi ,
>Karnataka by Bansode Mahesh
>
> 
>7. Chawk Masjid
>,
>Murshidabad, West Bengal by DeepanjanGhosh
>
>8. Shyamsundar temple
>,
>Jhikira, West Bengal by DeepanjanGhosh
>
>9. Taj Mahal
>,
>Agra, Uttar Pradesh by Abhinav152013
>
> 
>10. Qutb Minar
>
> ,
>Mehrauli Delhi by Shikhers
>
> 
>
> All these photographs are listed
> in
> our event page and have been forwarded
> 
> to the international WLM competition.
>
> This year, we had also declared 2 special prizes
> 
> -
>
>- Highest number of uploads - which will go to Goutam1962
> who had uploaded
>258 images.
>- Winning photograph from West Bengal - which will go to DeepanjanGhosh
> who had
>secured 3rd prize for the national contest.
>
>  We will start contacting the winning photographers in this week, so that
> we can send the national prizes to them in due course.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: A rare live gynandromorph specimen of the Athyma inara inara subspecies of butterfly identified in Wiki Loves Butterfly

[Piyush Maurya]

Great find!

On Wed, 27 Apr, 2022, 3:40 pm Ashwin Baindur, 
wrote:

> Great 😀
>
> On Wed, 27 Apr, 2022, 2:31 pm Ananya Mondal, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> It gives me immense pleasure to inform you all that three members of Wiki
>> Loves Butterfly (WLB)
>> team – Sourabh Biswas
>> , Atanu Bose
>>  and Rajib
>> Dey , captured
>> photographs of a live gynandromorph of *Athyma inara inara
>> * (Westwood, 1850) – Himalayan
>> Colour Sergeant in Buxa Tiger Reserve
>> , West Bengal
>>  in the month of November
>> 2021.  A gynandromorph (synonymous with a sexual mosaic) is an organism
>> that contains both male and female characteristics. This is an
>> extraordinarily rare event that occurs in nature.
>>
>> This is the biggest achievement of this project so far to witness a live
>> gynandromorph  for the
>> first time in India. I congratulate all team members for being witness to
>> such a rare and unique natural phenomenon.
>>
>> *Diff link:*
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/04/27/a-rare-live-gynandromorph-specimen-of-the-athyma-inara-inara-subspecies-of-butterfly-identified-in-wiki-loves-butterfly/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Request for Transparency Regarding WMF Staff in India

[Piyush Maurya]

Most of the points of Jayantilal Kothari are valid. Especially agree with
WMF staff taking credit and being on stage most of the time in the recent
conference. They were oblivious to volunteers editing structure or their
problems. Most of the presentations felt like lectures only with no meaning
for the editor community. Foundation hired people get most of the time on
stage.

Also many hired people who got appointed for any community do not have any
relation to the community. In the conference they did not have any
intention to listen to our problems, they just wanted to make a
presentation and go home. Foundation should look into this structure
between paid employees and volunteers which has developed here. Volunteers
should be on the forefront not on the backfoot.

Thanks,
User: हिंदुस्थान वासी

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 11:25 PM Bodhisattwa 
wrote:

> Hi Andreas,
>
> There is no denial that money is needed in our region to run programs but
> there should always be a critical debate, if we are asking too much amount
> and for the right cause. I can't talk about others but I come from a
> cross-border language community which has always shown high regards to the
> value of donation money and expressed concerns in the past, whenever it has
> felt that money asked in a grant proposal is out of proportionate. So,
> whenever a grant proposal comes from my language community or from the two
> affiliates of the region, we brainstorm for days, if not months, to
> understand if there remains any small chance to waste the valuable
> resources which are to be entrusted upon us. For example, questions
> naturally arises in our community that if we really need to or have the
> luxury to spend this huge amount of around 10 million INR just for a 3-days
> conference to meet and greet each other after a long time or could that
> amount of money be invested on local affiliates and communities so that
> they can sustain themselves and provide quality output for the next decade.
> There has always been this debate and the people who talked about the
> second option are quietly moving away from the movement as they were not
> heard properly or were targeted for their critical analysis. We strongly
> feel that throwing unnecessary amount of money to whatever proposal comes
> over from the region is detrimental to the community dynamics as these
> money spoils people in the communities, brings more mistrusts and
> corruption and changes the motivation to contribute to the open knowledge
> movement. Also, huge amount of money does not necessarily translate to
> delivery of high quality output all the time, good results can come from
> limited resources too, even with zero budget, if they are planned properly;
> there are numerous success stories in our movement of those, which are
> rarely acknowledged or celebrated.
>
> What we feel that there might be some 'white guilt' working in the
> background to reverse colonial sins from the past in the regions which
> might drive people from the west to approve more money in Africa and Asia
> without consideration of local inputs. Any voices against these western
> perspectives to flood local communities with huge amount of unnecessary
> money are marked as counter-productive, ignored, silenced and bypassed with
> different regulatory measures imposed upon the community until people stop
> criticising and get fed up of being ignored. For example, personally, I
> have developed apathy nowadays regarding whatever is happening around grant
> process western to our state border of West Bengal until they directly
> affects us and prefer to remain silent during their community review
> process.
>
> By the way, I have no objection hiring WMF staffs from the region. In
> fact, a number of staffs and contractors from the region are and were
> highly respected for their support and understanding of the local
> communities. But all are not beds of roses. There are multiple evidences of
> opacities, ignorance, agenda pushing, bossing around, corporate mentality,
> hijacking of community plans and projects etc. among staffs, which builds
> walls of mistrusts separating them with the volunteers rather than breaking
> them. I can't disagree to what Jayantilal implied in his statement. So, to
> me, staffs are always welcome, but if they have no intention to listen and
> support for community needs, then we frankly don't need them around our
> communities to push their own agenda, we can manage ourselves.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023, 18:30 Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bodhisattwa and all,
>>
>> You raise an interesting point – that the influx of money appears to have
>> a demotivating effect on Indian volunteers. This has also come up in
>> discussion elsewhere.
>>
>> Now I have been one of those who have urged the WMF to spend more money
>> in India. I have always felt that actual spending on the ground has not
>> matched the Foundation's fundraising messages about how mone