[Wikimediaindia-l] Re: Update about my role at CIS-A2K

[Yann Forget]

Hi Tito,
It was very nice to work with you.
I hope to do it again.
Best regards,
Yann

Le dim. 12 juin 2022 à 09:01, Tito Dutta  a écrit :

> Greetings/Namaskara,
> Hope this email finds you well. I want to give an update about my role at
> CIS-A2K. On 11 July 2022, I'll step down from my position at CIS-A2K.
> Because of health issues, and personal reasons, this was important for me
> to take a break from programmatic activities.
>
> This has been a very delightful and wonderful experience. I have learnt a
> lot from the communities and the community members. There have been many
> wonderful memories.
> I sincerely thank you for everything.
>
> Although I'll leave the program, this is not a retirement from the
> Wikimedia movement, I'll continue to edit and work on Wikimedia projects in
> my volunteer capacity.
>
> Programmatic updates or upcoming plans will be shared by CIS-A2K
> separately.
>
> Thanking you once again,
> Sincerely,
> Tito Dutta
> Member, Access to Knowledge
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Hindi Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

Help needed here

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Hindi_Wikisource

Best regards,

Yann Forget
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] seeking help with Hindi projects in Wikisource...

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

I am a long term Wikisource contributor and I speak Hindi. But I don't
contribute much in Hindi, as it is not my first language, but I am willing
to help.

Regards,

Yann

2016-08-10 23:38 GMT+02:00 Lane Rasberry :

> Hello,
>
> Can anyone here refer me to someone who is active in making Hindi-language
> contributions to Wikisource? I wish to meet someone with experience in that
> language and project. Otherwise, can anyone suggest to me which Indic
> languages in Wikisource seem to be most active?
>
> Is anyone able to make a recommendation for any OCR software for
> converting scanned Hindi language documents to digital text? Does anyone
> know anything about in-Wikisource support for OCR in Hindi language? Does
> it exist? Is there documentation?
>
> Thanks for anything anyone can share.
>
> yours,
>
> --
> Lane Rasberry
> user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> 206.801.0814
> l...@bluerasberry.com
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Setting Up of the Advisory Council at Wikimedia India

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

I am volunteering to be member of this Advisory council.
I have been active on Wikimedia projects since December 2002, I am a member
of Wikimedia France, and a past member of its board.
I also spent nearly 10 years of my life in India, where I have been active
with several NGOs, and I am fluent in Hindi.
So I have a deep knowledge of Wikimedia projects, Wikimedia Chapters, and
social and cultural situation of India.

Regards,

Yann


2016-03-16 8:23 GMT+01:00 Abhinav Srivastava <
abhinav.srivast...@wikimedia.in>:

> Dear All,
>
> As a step to nurture Wikimedia India into in fact even bigger roles such
> that it realizes its mission, beliefs and goals more efficiently, Wikimedia
> India has decided to setup an advisory council.
>
> Advisory council would be a panel of experts with different expertise and
> connections with whom WE the chapter could rely on to get specific advice.
> However, They are not a "committee" in the usual sense to discuss all
> issues together and provide consensus.
>
> While the chapter relies on senior and experienced members from the
> community, it would now also try to enroll people outside Wiki movement.
> This should be an ongoing process. Growth and strength of WMIN will
> depend on how many capable members outside our community get interested in
> us. Community members anyway will always be there to support us.
>
> Please find the attached document for more details.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Srivastava Abhinav
> Executive Committee Member|Wikimedia India
> Ph - +91-9711739003|Skype: abhinavsrivastava619
> Wiki Username - abhinav619
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Urdu Wikipedia crosses the 50,000 mark

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

I don't know why, but Hindi WP has more than 50,000 articles, and is
not in that list: https://hi.wikipedia.org/
(111,316 articles today).

Regards,

Yann

2014-04-24 15:43 GMT+05:30 Amir E. Aharoni :
> Congratulations! Always a pleasure to do edits like this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wikipedia_languages&diff=prev&oldid=605585845
>
> (In case it's not clear, it goes to English Wikipedia's Main Page :) )
>
> --
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> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright law of India

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

There is a discussion on Commons about the copyright law of India,
precisely whether pictures taken prior 1957 should apply the new law
or the old law. I believe it is the later, but Carl Lindberg, says
there is a uncertainty.

Could WM India ask a lawyer for a confirmation.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-India#Before_1958

Regards,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] License and copyright for Indian government documents

[Yann Forget]

Following this [1] discussion, it appears that the conditions into which
some documents are released by the Indian government are nearly the same as
CC-BY. However some people on Commons think that we need a confirmation.

Could the WM India ask whether the conditions specified here [2] are
compatible with such a license (or another free license)?

More precisely the requirement that images such be "Reproduced accurately"
is a moral rights clause -- a reproduction should not be modified to
misrepresent what the original work was. The rest of that clause also gives
a hint they are referring more to moral rights, as Carl Lindberg said.

Thanks,

Yann

(1)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#License_and_copyright_for_Indian_government_documents
(2) http://pib.nic.in/newsite/terms.aspx#copyright
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Membership

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I read that Wikimedia India does not accept member who are not Indian
nationals.
This comes as a big surprise, and I don't see any reason for it.
As far as I know, membership in a non-profit in India is not limited to
Indian nationals.

A change whould be most welcomed.

Thanks,

Yann Forget, from Ahmedabad
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

The autobiography and some other works were deleted from the English
Wikisource and moved to Wikilivres because of URAA.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mohandas_K._Gandhi

Also several volumes from "The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi" were
deleted from Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Collected_Works_of_Mahatma_Gandhi

Yann

2013/5/13 Achal Prabhala :
> Thanks Yann, this is extremely interesting.
>
> Balasankar, is there an easy to access list of actual or proposed deletions
> from Wikisource on similar grounds? (There's an interesting question on
> Gandhi here:
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations#copyright_status_of_Gandhi.27s_original_works.3F
> - but no actions that I can easily see).
>
>
>
> On Monday 13 May 2013 04:23 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
>>
>> Hi Achal,
>>
>> Please see
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_law_deletion_requests
>>
>> The following are old photos from India deleted because of USA law:
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mountbatten_at_Gandhi_cremation.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Times_of_India_front_Page_15_August_1947.png
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Life_magazine
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sardar_patel.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Nargis_in_Awaara_film.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_and_Jinnah_Bombay_1944.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_and_Mountbatten_drink_tea.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bapu_and_Baa.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_looking.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abdul_Wahid_Khan.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V._A._Sundaram_with_C._Rajagopalachari_in_Benares_1948.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V._A._Sundaram_around_1914.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V_A_Sundaram,_late_1930s.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Post-1922_paintings_of_Nicholas_Roerich
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Lata_Mangeshkar.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bhurji_Badeji_Baba.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aurat_1940.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Alladiya_Khan.jpg
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yann
>>
>> 2013/5/13 Achal Prabhala :
>>>
>>> Hi Yann,
>>>
>>> Following on this, do you have some specific examples of Gandhi work
>>> (images, text or whatever) that is in the public domain in India but had
>>> a
>>> problem being put on to Commons or Wikisource because of copyright issues
>>> in
>>> the US? I suspect that a list of specific cases would be quite useful in
>>> thinking this through.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Achal
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday 12 May 2013 02:42 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this is a huge problem for Indian content hosted on Wikimedia
>>>> servers, and not only for Wikisource, but also for pictures, movies,
>>>> sounds, etc. hosted on Wikimedia Commons.
>>>>
>>>> There were quite a few famous images of Mahatma Gandhi deleted for this
>>>> reason.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Yann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/5/9 Balasankar Chelamattath :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> As most of you know, the Indian copyright law says that a book gets
>>>>> relieved
>>>>> of copyright after 60 years from the author's death. But this is not
>>>>> the
>>>>> case with US Law. As given here , of all the works published outside
>>>>> US,
>>>>> only those published before 1923 are directly in the public domain. The
>>>>> ones
>>>>> published between 1923 and 1977 without compliance to the US
>>>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

[Yann Forget]

Hi Achal,

Please see 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_law_deletion_requests

The following are old photos from India deleted because of USA law:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mountbatten_at_Gandhi_cremation.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Times_of_India_front_Page_15_August_1947.png
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Life_magazine
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Sardar_patel.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Nargis_in_Awaara_film.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_and_Jinnah_Bombay_1944.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_and_Mountbatten_drink_tea.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bapu_and_Baa.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Gandhi_looking.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Abdul_Wahid_Khan.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V._A._Sundaram_with_C._Rajagopalachari_in_Benares_1948.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V._A._Sundaram_around_1914.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:V_A_Sundaram,_late_1930s.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Post-1922_paintings_of_Nicholas_Roerich
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Lata_Mangeshkar.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Bhurji_Badeji_Baba.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Aurat_1940.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Alladiya_Khan.jpg

Regards,

Yann

2013/5/13 Achal Prabhala :
> Hi Yann,
>
> Following on this, do you have some specific examples of Gandhi work
> (images, text or whatever) that is in the public domain in India but had a
> problem being put on to Commons or Wikisource because of copyright issues in
> the US? I suspect that a list of specific cases would be quite useful in
> thinking this through.
>
> Cheers,
> Achal
>
>
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 02:42 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Yes, this is a huge problem for Indian content hosted on Wikimedia
>> servers, and not only for Wikisource, but also for pictures, movies,
>> sounds, etc. hosted on Wikimedia Commons.
>>
>> There were quite a few famous images of Mahatma Gandhi deleted for this
>> reason.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yann
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/9 Balasankar Chelamattath :
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> As most of you know, the Indian copyright law says that a book gets
>>> relieved
>>> of copyright after 60 years from the author's death. But this is not the
>>> case with US Law. As given here , of all the works published outside US,
>>> only those published before 1923 are directly in the public domain. The
>>> ones
>>> published between 1923 and 1977 without compliance to the US formalities
>>> will be in the public domain only if they are in the public domain in
>>> their
>>> source country as of 1 January 1996. Almost all the other categories of
>>> published works will not be in the public domain until 95 years after
>>> publishing.
>>>
>>> This induces a confusion and when looked in a legal perspective, most of
>>> the
>>> books in Indian Wikisources, are still not in public domain and hence
>>> must
>>> be removed. This makes a huge negative impact on the hard work done by
>>> contributors. Their contributions are wasted which may cause them to stop
>>> contributing. In short, this may be a negative impact on Wikimedia's
>>> image
>>> in the society.
>>>
>>> The only solution to this problem is to host the servers of Indian
>>> Wikimedia
>>> services in India, so that the data we upload is stored under Indian
>>> Laws.
>>> Can Wikimedia India Chapter do anything on this? We can plan and conduct
>>> a
>>> fundraiser in India to raise money for the hosting expenses.
>>>
>>> Please consider this issue with maximum priority as it involves legal
>>> procedures and related headaches.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Balasankar C
>>> https://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Balasankarc
>>> Regards,
>>> Balasankar C
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

[Yann Forget]

AFAIK, it would only be an external link.

Yann

2013/5/12 Achal Prabhala :
> I like Wikilivres, was just wondering - has anyone tried to create a
> placeholder for an image/ text on commons or Wikisource with an external
> link to the file on Wikilivres (when said image or file is public domain
> outside the US but not within) - I guess the question is how to connect
> public domain work that cannot be hosted on US servers to Wikimedia, which
> is.
>
>
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 03:01 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
>>
>> There is already in Canada a server available for hosting content
>> which cannot be hosted on Wikimedia servers. I think this solution
>> should gather more support.
>> http://wikilivres.ca/ (previously wikilivres.info).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yann
>>
>> 2013/5/12 Achal Prabhala :
>>>
>>> Hi Balasankar,
>>>
>>> The question you raise is a very important one. The solution, however, is
>>> not likely to be to host content in India (I don't speak for the
>>> Wikimedia
>>> Foundation, but there are sound legal reasons why all Wikimedia content
>>> is
>>> hosted in the US; mostly liability risk and freedom of expression and
>>> this
>>> is unlikely to change).
>>>
>>> The default across Commons and Wikisource, the two projects that host the
>>> bulk of public domain content (images, videos, sounds, books) in
>>> Wikimedia,
>>> is the US copyright term - it's the only yardstick that matters for what
>>> qualifies as public domain by virtue of being out of copyright. You are
>>> absolutely right, however, in that there's a big difference btw US
>>> copyright
>>> terms and those of other countries, for instance:
>>>
>>> For photographs, while the binding limit (Berne/TRIPs) is 25 years from
>>> the
>>> making of the work, India is life of photographer + 60 years after death,
>>> and in the US it is life + 70.
>>>
>>> For literary works, the binding limit (Berne/ TRIPs) is life + 50 years,
>>> whereas in India it is life + 60, whereas in the US it is life + 70 or
>>> 120/95 if made on work for hire.
>>>
>>> (The binding limit is the WTO mandated term that country members - US and
>>> India and 150 others - have to follow. As you can see, typically, most
>>> countries exceed the limit for reasons of their own, which they are
>>> allowed
>>> to do, with the US exceeding in far greater amount than India.)
>>>
>>> In short, there can be a difference of between 10 and 40 years between
>>> the
>>> time a work goes into the public domain in a country with shorter terms
>>> than
>>> the US (any number of countries in the non-Anglo-European world) and the
>>> US.
>>> This seriously affects even 'Indian' works (where India is the first
>>> country
>>> of publication) because of the copyright protection granted to such works
>>> in
>>> the US, thus effectively placing them under copyright for our purposes
>>> within Wikimedia long after they've gone in to the public domain in their
>>> source country.
>>>
>>> The case to consider here is Golan:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_v._Holder
>>>
>>> A summary of the US Supreme Court decision in this case is - US law
>>> trumps
>>> international agreements, so the US copyright term holds within US
>>> territory, and restores copyright protection to any works that have gone
>>> into the public domain by virtue of a shorter copyright term in another
>>> country. Because Wikimedia servers are based in the US, Golan applies to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> But your question is an extremely pertinent one, and if we were to find
>>> unusual solutions to it, they would seem to lie in:
>>>
>>> 1) Whether hosting on US servers for a global audience makes any
>>> difference,
>>> since we do not serve readers only bound by US law (Wikimedia reader
>>> numbers
>>> bear this out, ie US readership = minority percentage of whole) and
>>> whether
>>> we specifically have anything special on the basis of which to mount some
>>> kind of strategic litigation on the issue of allowing us to exploit the
>>> shortest possible route to public domain anywhere in the world for all or
>>> some of our readers.
>>>
>>> 2) Whether hosting on US servers but using publicly audited geolocation
>>> to
>>> s

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

[Yann Forget]

There is already in Canada a server available for hosting content
which cannot be hosted on Wikimedia servers. I think this solution
should gather more support.
http://wikilivres.ca/ (previously wikilivres.info).

Regards,

Yann

2013/5/12 Achal Prabhala :
> Hi Balasankar,
>
> The question you raise is a very important one. The solution, however, is
> not likely to be to host content in India (I don't speak for the Wikimedia
> Foundation, but there are sound legal reasons why all Wikimedia content is
> hosted in the US; mostly liability risk and freedom of expression and this
> is unlikely to change).
>
> The default across Commons and Wikisource, the two projects that host the
> bulk of public domain content (images, videos, sounds, books) in Wikimedia,
> is the US copyright term - it's the only yardstick that matters for what
> qualifies as public domain by virtue of being out of copyright. You are
> absolutely right, however, in that there's a big difference btw US copyright
> terms and those of other countries, for instance:
>
> For photographs, while the binding limit (Berne/TRIPs) is 25 years from the
> making of the work, India is life of photographer + 60 years after death,
> and in the US it is life + 70.
>
> For literary works, the binding limit (Berne/ TRIPs) is life + 50 years,
> whereas in India it is life + 60, whereas in the US it is life + 70 or
> 120/95 if made on work for hire.
>
> (The binding limit is the WTO mandated term that country members - US and
> India and 150 others - have to follow. As you can see, typically, most
> countries exceed the limit for reasons of their own, which they are allowed
> to do, with the US exceeding in far greater amount than India.)
>
> In short, there can be a difference of between 10 and 40 years between the
> time a work goes into the public domain in a country with shorter terms than
> the US (any number of countries in the non-Anglo-European world) and the US.
> This seriously affects even 'Indian' works (where India is the first country
> of publication) because of the copyright protection granted to such works in
> the US, thus effectively placing them under copyright for our purposes
> within Wikimedia long after they've gone in to the public domain in their
> source country.
>
> The case to consider here is Golan:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_v._Holder
>
> A summary of the US Supreme Court decision in this case is - US law trumps
> international agreements, so the US copyright term holds within US
> territory, and restores copyright protection to any works that have gone
> into the public domain by virtue of a shorter copyright term in another
> country. Because Wikimedia servers are based in the US, Golan applies to us.
>
> But your question is an extremely pertinent one, and if we were to find
> unusual solutions to it, they would seem to lie in:
>
> 1) Whether hosting on US servers for a global audience makes any difference,
> since we do not serve readers only bound by US law (Wikimedia reader numbers
> bear this out, ie US readership = minority percentage of whole) and whether
> we specifically have anything special on the basis of which to mount some
> kind of strategic litigation on the issue of allowing us to exploit the
> shortest possible route to public domain anywhere in the world for all or
> some of our readers.
>
> 2) Whether hosting on US servers but using publicly audited geolocation to
> switch off for readers from IP addresses where the material in question is
> still under copyright is a legally and operationally feasible workaround
> (connected to whether Wikimedia Tech thinks this is both doable and worth
> our while to do)
>
> 3) Whether, if all fails and there is no getting around this in any way,
> Commons and Wikisource (if there is sufficient interest in those
> communities) should be interested in looking at a way of allowing external
> links to chapter-managed local sites from the US-served base to see the
> material in question; and if this is something, say, the India chapter wants
> and is willing to do, whether this route poses any legal risks.
>
> In any case, I passed around your question to a few friends for comments and
> suggestions - as well as to Geoff Brigham at the Wikimedia Foundation, who
> is not too hopeful for a solution but is very receptive to looking into it
> and getting back to us - and I'll tell you when I know something.
>
> Meanwhile, if you have other ways of looking into creative solutions around
> this problem (not at all easy to crack, but the benefits are significant) -
> or if anyone else on this list does - you should.
>
> Cheers,
> Achal
>
>
>
>
> On Friday 10 May 2013 10:20 PM, Balasankar Chelamattath wrote:
>
> Hi Srikanth,
> I didnt quite understand what you meant by example.
> An example for a work which is in public domain in India and not in US -
> Works by Changampuzha Krishnapillai (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changampuzha_Krishna_Pillai ).
> He passed away in 194

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

Yes, this is a huge problem for Indian content hosted on Wikimedia
servers, and not only for Wikisource, but also for pictures, movies,
sounds, etc. hosted on Wikimedia Commons.

There were quite a few famous images of Mahatma Gandhi deleted for this reason.

Regards,

Yann


2013/5/9 Balasankar Chelamattath :
> Hi all,
> As most of you know, the Indian copyright law says that a book gets relieved
> of copyright after 60 years from the author's death. But this is not the
> case with US Law. As given here , of all the works published outside US,
> only those published before 1923 are directly in the public domain. The ones
> published between 1923 and 1977 without compliance to the US formalities
> will be in the public domain only if they are in the public domain in their
> source country as of 1 January 1996. Almost all the other categories of
> published works will not be in the public domain until 95 years after
> publishing.
>
> This induces a confusion and when looked in a legal perspective, most of the
> books in Indian Wikisources, are still not in public domain and hence must
> be removed. This makes a huge negative impact on the hard work done by
> contributors. Their contributions are wasted which may cause them to stop
> contributing. In short, this may be a negative impact on Wikimedia's image
> in the society.
>
> The only solution to this problem is to host the servers of Indian Wikimedia
> services in India, so that the data we upload is stored under Indian Laws.
> Can Wikimedia India Chapter do anything on this? We can plan and conduct a
> fundraiser in India to raise money for the hosting expenses.
>
> Please consider this issue with maximum priority as it involves legal
> procedures and related headaches.
>
> Regards,
> Balasankar C
> https://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Balasankarc
> Regards,
> Balasankar C
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2013/2/8 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet,
> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the
> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of
> Home Affairs, Goverment of India.

Are you really sure about that? I am very surprised.
Most NGO in India accepted membership from foreign residents / expatriates.
I would register to Wikimedia India if possible.

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiProject India on Commons

[Yann Forget]

2012/9/21 praveenp :
> Hi,
> I believe Indian communities need to put more interest in translating
> commons' templates. Many of those templates inherited to language wikies
> through file pages. But even most essential templates, are not translated to
> Indian languages. :(

I agree. Proper localisation and translation are important. But I
can't help much with that. ;o)

> praveen

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiProject India on Commons

[Yann Forget]

2012/9/20 Ramesh N G :
> Is this specific to maps and cinema only?

Of course not. It's upt to you to add topics of your interest.

> User:Rameshng

Best regards,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] WikiProject India on Commons

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I started an WikiProject India on Commons.
Here it is:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:WikiProject_India

Please come and participate!

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Commons: Videos in Hindi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I uploaded recently some videos and songs in Hindi.
Some of them will be on the front page of Wikimedia Commons in Media of the Day.
It would be nice if someone could help transcribing and translations them.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unheard_Voice_of_India,_Madhya_Pradesh.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unheard_Voice_of_India,_Jharkhand,_1.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unheard_Voice_of_India,_Jharkhand,_5.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unheard_Voice_of_India,_6,_Madhya_Pradesh.ogv
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unheard_Voice_of_India,_7,_Gujarat.ogv

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Songs_in_Hindi

Best regards,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] How to contribute to Hindi and Nepali Wikipedia

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I didn't see this here.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_contribute_to_Hindi_Wikipedia.ogv

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_write_in_Nepali_wiki.ogv

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Progress in WLM India

[Yann Forget]

2012/9/5 Karthik Nadar :
> Hi all,
>
> Any Commons admin from India other than Sreejith??? We need a couple of
> admins for easy process on Commons.

I am here. ;o)

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Invitation to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments India 2012

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

2012/9/2 Karthik Nadar :
> Sure, will be copying the list today itself.

I started copying the list yesterday, but people disagreed.
And my lists have already been deleted. :(

Yann

> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The list should be copied to Commons. Not all people are from English WP.
>>
>> Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Invitation to participate in Wiki Loves Monuments India 2012

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

The list should be copied to Commons. Not all people are from English WP.

Yann

2012/9/1 Karthik Nadar :
> Hi all,
>
> greeting from Wiki Loves Monuments India core team.
>
> We are happy and please to let you informed that the global photography
> contest Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 (WLM) kicks off today, while India
> participates along and competes with other 35 nations. On behalf of the core
> team and Wikimedia India chapter, we are inviting you to participate in the
> month long contest, which runs from 1st of September to 31st of September.
>
> List of monuments in India is now ready, which qualifies for the contest.[1]
> All the images should be uploaded under a different upload campaign created
> for WLM in India.[2]
> All the photos participating in the contest must be self taken. Images can
> be old, but should be uploaded before 30th of September.
> Participants must have their email-id enabled in Wikimedia Commons to be
> eligible for prizes
> Creativity, natural, and importance to Wikipedia will be given prime
> importance by Jury
> The default license will be CC-BY-SA 3.0
> Remember, this is a contest, hence prizes are to be won.
> We also have a Facebook group[3] and a Facebook page[4]
>
> Do participate and share among your friends to make the contest big in
> India. It will be our pride, if we showcase our heritage globally, being
> very much patriotic :) All the best to all.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Wiki_Loves_Monuments
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-in
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikilovesmonumentsindia/
> https://www.facebook.com/WikiLovesMonumentsIndia
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and regards,
> (User:Karthikndr)
> Karthik Nadar.
> (Ph: 91-9773608862)
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] URGENT: A few things to do

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

It seems that time is running short, and we are not yet ready.
There are a few things which are still not clear to me:
* What are accepted monuments for the competition? If only these
mentioned by ASI, the list is really incomplete and a lot are missing.
* I think the list should be copied to Commons, as not all
participants use English Wikipedia.
* Who are the jury members?
* State Level Coordinator for Delhi and Keral are still missing. What
about other states? (only 6 are in this list)
* Program Team is half empty.
* Some more information about what is acceptable is needed.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012_in_India

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Help needed for WLM

[Yann Forget]

2012/8/29 Karthik Nadar :
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> 2012/8/28 Karthik Nadar :
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > just to update you all that Wiki Loves Monuments is starting from 1st of
>> > September (this Saturday).
>> >
>> > There are certain things where we are lagging behind, and need big help
>> > from
>> > the community.
>> >
>> > We need some (3 or 4) professional and highly qualified photographers to
>> > fill in the Jury for the contest
>>
>> I am not a professional, and I expected to be a participant, but I
>> could also be in the jury, if you are short of people.
>
> You are not professional, but your images sounds professional :)
> You can ignore your photos while in Jury and hence it won't lead to any
> problem. Adding your name to the Jury.
>
> Thanks!

Your support is nice, but I won't be available in October (I am
travelling for the whole month), so I don't think I will be able to be
in the jury.

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Help needed for WLM

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2012/8/28 Karthik Nadar :
> Hi all,
>
> just to update you all that Wiki Loves Monuments is starting from 1st of
> September (this Saturday).
>
> There are certain things where we are lagging behind, and need big help from
> the community.
>
> We need some (3 or 4) professional and highly qualified photographers to
> fill in the Jury for the contest

I am not a professional, and I expected to be a participant, but I
could also be in the jury, if you are short of people.

Regards,

Yann

> Anyone with good WordPress knowledge, need a small help from you to update
> the website wikilovesmonuments.in
> Any contacts with media persons, do help us promote the event.
>
> Thanks all in advance. Get back to me if you can help in either of any.
> Thanks again :)
>
> --
> Thanks and regards,
> (User:Karthikndr)
> Karthik Nadar.
> (Ph: 91-9773608862)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] instagram cc photos to commons

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2012/8/28 Shrinivasan T :
> Now instagram enables CC for its photos.
>
> http://i-am-cc.org
>
> http://www.wired.com/design/2012/08/i-am-cc/
>
> Is it worth do a program to copy the CCed photos to commons from the
> site http://i-am-cc.org?

First, all images there might not have an educational value. Then
there are a lot of issues with copyright on architecture. Otherwise, I
would say yes.

> --
> Regards,
> T.Shrinivasan

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] what is a Monument?

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2012/8/16 Karthik Nadar :
> Hi Yann,
>
> I see that Commonist tool is bit faster having being used during Wiki Takes
> Mumbai early this year. Have you tried the same?
>
> Find the tool here:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools/Commonist

Yes, I know Commonist. It makes uploading easier, but it does not
change the available bandwith. 

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] what is a Monument?

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

The ASI list is very incomplete. See for examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India/Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Madhya_Pradesh
What do we do in this case? How do we attribute an ID number?

Another issue will be getting the connection and time to upload all images.
With my 3G key, it takes 20 to 30 minutes to upload a full size JPEG
image (24 Mpx, 8 to 12 MB). I usually resize image to 12 Mpx which the
volume from 6 to 8 MB. Still it takes ages to upload HR images. During
the WLM contest, I could take 100s of usefull images, but I could
never upload them all. Has anyone an idea how to overcome the problem?

Thanks,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia Club @ British Council

[Yann Forget]

Hi, I may be able to come, but I am not sure yet. Yann

2012/6/19 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> Just a question.
> Are any proper, experienced community members part of this?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Nitika Tandon 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are trying to build partnerships with some of the organisations to set
>> up Wikipedia Clubs. The idea is to run outreach events at institutes or
>> amongst  interest groups that engage people in activities around Wikipedia.
>>
>> Our first such attempt to is to partner with British Council India in
>> Delhi. We've been in discussions with them for the past couple of months and
>> I'm pleased to announce that we'll be initiating a series of Wikipedia
>> workshops for some of the British Council's library members with the desired
>> end result to set up a Wikipedia Club that will organise regular activities
>> around Wikipedia at British Council. The basic objective of the club would
>> be to:
>>
>> Organise regular activities to increase the level of editing activity by
>> club members. This could be in form of edit-a-thons, photo-thons, starting
>> wiki projects based on common interest etc.
>> Organise regular outreach sessions to recruit more club members and expand
>> club size.
>> Organise regular fun activities to keep high level of enthusiasm and
>> spirit amongst club members. This could be in form of trivia nights, games
>> night, meet ups, field trips, museum trips etc.
>>
>> To begin with we'll be conducting three sessions with the same group of
>> attendees. The first session will aim to brief all about workings of
>> Wikipedia, editing rules and talk page protocols etc. The following sessions
>> will be dedicated to only those participants who'll be willing to and
>> excited to get more involved in Wikipedia. We'll provide them additional
>> support to better understand Wikipedia editing and our community. And the
>> third session will aim to formalise a Wikipedia Club at British Council
>> where we'll provide ideas to the club members to organise regular activities
>> like edit-a-thons, photo-thons, games and trivia nights, museum visits etc.
>>
>> We've built this 3 level outreach program to make sure that club members
>> will be better equipped and trained to organise club activities by
>> themselves and will be able to conduct regular outreach activities within
>> British Council (for members of movie clubs, writing clubs etc.) to further
>> expand their club size.
>>
>> The first session at British Council is scheduled for 23rd June from 10am
>> to 1pm.  All are welcome to help run the session. Will keep you all informed
>> on the outcome of the session and next step thereon.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nitika

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in India

[Yann Forget]

Hi,

I would definitely take part on WLM in India.

Best regards,

Yann

2012/6/2 Yuvi Panda :
> Hello everyone! Has there been any discussion about participating in
> Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
>
> I'm sitting in berlin working on some of the code behind it, and
> looking at the test data and seeing 'us', 'de', 'nl' but no 'in' makes
> me feel sad. Would the Indian community be participating this year?
> I'd gladly volunteer to do whatever I can!
>
> --
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> http://yuvi.in/blog
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Reducing the number of mails

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I find that the number of mails I receive from mailings about India
and Wikimedia is a bit excessive. It would be be easy to reduce it
significantly by not cross-posting every announcements, and by not
sending congratulations to the list, but to the person concerned.

Thanks,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Museums access for photographers

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I would like to document the Calico Museum of Textiles in Ahmedabad
[1][2], one of the greatest textile museum in the world, but
photography is currently forbidden there.
There is currently nothing on Wikimedia Commons about it.
Maybe a formal request from Wikimedia India may help getting a permission.
Several days will be necessary, as the museum is pretty big.
Permission to use a tripod is also necessary.

In addition, I am proud to announce a new featured picture from India
on Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hindu_Bride,_Ahmedabad,_Gujarat.jpg
Translations into Indian languages would be great. ;)

Best regards,

Yann

[1] http://www.calicomuseum.com/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_Museum_of_Textiles

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians)

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Hello,

Yes, it would probably help a lot.

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] BSNL DNS Blocking Wikipedia?

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

It seems that the DNS server of BSNL was hacked.
It looks strange that only Wikipedia was affected.
The issue is fixed now.

Regards,

Yann

2012/1/28 Anirudh Bhati :
> I think this is likely a temporary issue, and I suspect that the security of
> the BSNL servers may have been compromised.  Yann is of the same opinion.
>  If the issue persists for a longer-term, then we can pursue it with the
> ISP.
>
> anirudh
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yannf posted this on IRC (#wikimedia-in) when I was away,
>>
>> ==
>> in my new DSL connection with BSNL, *.wikipedia.org is blocked
>> any idea?
>> I get a page of advertising about web hosting
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org works
>> ==
>>
>> My guess is BSNL DNS is playing some game here (IIRC they have local DNS
>> for each telecom circle). As for the geekish users, they would know to use
>> opendns, ways to access *.wikipedia.org etc. But this needs to be looked at
>> seriously. This is not the first time am hearing something like this on BSNL
>> DNS. If we identify the problem, can the chapter / programs do necessary
>> running around for the issue and ensure this doesn't exist?
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Srikanth.L

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Off-topic: Re: Media : Gandhi would have been a Wikipedian

[Yann Forget]

2012/1/17 Pradeep Mohandas :
> hi,
>
> Just curious. Is there any other writing by Gandhi that goes under the
> same license? Also, any ideas on where Gandhi might have put out this
> note saying No Rights Reserved? Was there a precedent?

You mean, like this one?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gandhi-Home-Rule-First-Edition-1909.jpg

> I know this is clearly off-topic but curiosity cannot be satiated.
>
> Pradeep
> Handheld
>
> On 17/01/2012, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
>> FYI by our very own Achal Prabhala
>>
>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/would-gandhi-have-been-a-wikipedian/900506/0
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

For your information, Wikilivres hosting service provider received a
letter from Gallimard, a leading French publisher.
See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/File:Injonction_de_Gallimard.pdf
This letter says that major French ISPs have been asked to restrained
access to a list of pages.
Then the hosting service provider sent me a mail saying that "terms of
services have been violated",
and that there are "monitoring" the site.
In addition, the letter sent to French ISPs is one year old, and the
restriction has never been applied
by any provider, according to the tests I have made.
However these restrictions should have been done "within one month",
according to this letter.
Actually there is nothing in French law which demands ISP to restrict
access to content
which are not in the public domain in France.

AFAIK no terms of service was violated, and I've asked the ISP for
clarification.
Gallimard issued a similar threath to Wikisource last year, after
which some texts were deleted by OFFICE action, and later restored
after I sent a counter-notice. There was no news from Gallimard after
that.

This is to mention that copyright has to be taken seriously in this project.

Best regards,

Yann

2011/8/26 John Vandenberg :
> Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
>
> it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
>
> http://www.wikilivres.info/
>
> On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal
> to distribute on US servers.
>
> Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US,
> but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
>
> Wikilivres is currently paid for by a Wikisource administrator [[user:Yann]].
>
> --
> John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

2011/8/28 Gautam John :
> On 28 August 2011 11:50, Yann Forget  wrote:
>
>> Wikilivres is currently hosted on a small dedicated server in Montreal, 
>> Canada.
>> It follows the Canadian copyright law, in which a work is in the
>> public domain 50 years after the author's death.
>
> Thanks.
>
>> It costs 74 US$ monthly, or about 3,500 Rs. at the current rate.
>> Pathoschild has helped me recently for upgrading Mediawiki to new versions.
>> I am open to proposals regarding a takeover.
>
> Okay. So ideally, what would such a proposal include - aside from the
> cost which is a given?

I see several possibilities:

1. Free hosting. I think that an educational instution (e.g.
University) might accept hosting Wikilivres under some conditions
(legal responsibility from a Wikimedia chapter?).

2. Financial support only. I could continue to have the legal
responsibility of the project. I have a Paypal account to receive
donations.

3. A chapter or another organisation takes over the legal and
financial responsibility.

My main criteria is the long term support for the project.

>> A review of the content and a policy about inclusions seem to be
>> sensible if the legal responsibility is moved on.
>
> Okay.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/8/28 Gautam John :
> Hi Yann:
>
> I was wondering if you could send us some details on what it would
> take to maintain Wikilivres please? Technology and costs.

Wikilivres is currently hosted on a small dedicated server in Montreal, Canada.
It follows the Canadian copyright law, in which a work is in the
public domain 50 years after the author's death.
It costs 74 US$ monthly, or about 3,500 Rs. at the current rate.
Pathoschild has helped me recently for upgrading Mediawiki to new versions.
I am open to proposals regarding a takeover.

A review of the content and a policy about inclusions seem to be
sensible if the legal responsibility is moved on.
Some of the content is under a non commercial license [1]. This could
be moved somewhere else (Wikia?), as it needs not be hosted in a
particular place. There are a few personal essays with a free license,
which would not be accepted on Wikisource, as they were not previously
published (Wikia also?). They are also a few French articles from
Wikipedia [2].

[1] http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Category:CC-BY-NC
[2] http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/Category:Copied_from_Wikipedia

> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

2011/8/26 Shiju Alex :
>> By hosting a WikiSource outside of the US and in the jurisdiction of
>> the country.
>
> This is not limited to Wikisource. Wikimedia Commons is definitely in the
> list, and may be some other projects also.

Yes, right. Wikilivres hosts images which cannot be hosted on Commons
due to copyright restriction.

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/8/26 Gautam John :
> On 26 August 2011 13:18, Yann Forget  wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite.
>> Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law
>> of shorter term).
>> Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except
>> for photographs.
>
> In which case, it's a problem that has mostly been solved with
> http://www.wikilivres.info/ :)

Yeah. ;o)
Actually I am looking for some people and/or organisation to take over
the project,
as I have no time and money to continue it myself.

> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On creating an Indian Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/8/26 Gautam John :
> On 26 August 2011 13:08, John Vandenberg  wrote:
>
>> Wikisource already has a "Commonwealth copyright wikisource"
>> it is called Wikilivres, and it is hosted in Canada.
>> On that website you will find many examples of works which are illegal
>> to distribute on US servers.
>> Whenever English Wikisource finds a work which is illegal in the US,
>> but legal in Canada, it is moved to Wikilivres.
>
> Thank you, John. Of course, I can see how this can be a never ending
> set of legal tests - illegal in USA and Canada but legal in India
> (where you can replace India with any other locale) then host on
> Indian server.

AFAIK, all what is PD in India is also PD in Canada, but not the opposite.
Canadian law says that what is PD elsewhere is also PD in Canada (law
of shorter term).
Canadian law is 50 years pma, while Indian law is 60 years pma, except
for photographs.

> Wondering if there is a better way! And, if Commons can at least
> search the meta data from this Canadian archive and possible future
> other archives.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/6/29 Noopur :
> Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you
> need on these?

Here is an example with complete information:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vishnu_holding_lotus_flowers,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

Regards,

Yann

> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?
>>
>> There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
>> information to Wikipedia and Commons,
>> but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?
>>
>> In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/6/29 Noopur :
> Hey, I might be able to help you out identifying the work. What info do you
> need on these?

More complete description, date, etc.

Thanks for your help,

Yann

> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?
>>
>> There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
>> information to Wikipedia and Commons,
>> but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?
>>
>> In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yann
>
> --
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> Student
> Arts and Aesthetics
> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
> Ph: 9650567690

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/6/29 Ashwin Baindur :
> Yann, these images should be licensed as being in public domain as of now.
> How come you have claimed copyright?

The policy is that photos of 3D work of art are copyritable.
I changed the license for 2D work of art.

> Warm regards,
>
> User:AshLin

Best regards,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum, New Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

Do we have an official contact with the National Museum, New Delhi?

There are interesting documents there which could add valuable
information to Wikipedia and Commons,
but they are copyrighted. Could we get a permission?

In addition, I need some help for identifying some images:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_and_his_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rama_and_the_monkey_army,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Krishna_and_gopis,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sculpture,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pottery,_National_Museum,_New_Delhi.jpg

Thanks,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proofreading Hindi

[Yann Forget]

2011/5/6 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> But, they are blank, nothing there. What are we supposed to proof read?
> Is it that you will fill it up, and then someone does the proff reading?
> If yes, I don't mind helping.

The text is on the image on the right.
Unfortunately OCR doesn't work in Indian languages.

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proofreading Hindi

[Yann Forget]

2011/5/5 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
>
> So, you will need a French to Hindi translator for that?
> If English is available I can do English to Hindi.

No translator. Pages just need to be proofread.

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proofreading Hindi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/5/5 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> Yann,
> I opened up both of them, and clicked on a random chapter. [I assume it is a
> chapter]. Both appear blank to me.
> Is my browser at fault?
> I have all proper fonts installed for Hindi.

Well pages are blank now.
They need to be fill up.

Try this page:
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Garcin_de_Tassy_-_Rudiments_de_la_langue_hindi.djvu/25

Regards,
Yann

> --Regards,
> Rsrikanth05 [Hindi/English]
>
> On 5 May 2011 20:27, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for Hindi speakers who could help proofreading this:
>>
>> http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Livre:Garcin_de_Tassy_-_Chrestomathie_hindi.djvu
>>
>> http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Livre:Garcin_de_Tassy_-_Rudiments_de_la_langue_hindi.djvu
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Proofreading Hindi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I am looking for Hindi speakers who could help proofreading this:

http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Livre:Garcin_de_Tassy_-_Chrestomathie_hindi.djvu

http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Livre:Garcin_de_Tassy_-_Rudiments_de_la_langue_hindi.djvu

Thanks,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Indian literature on Wikisource

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I am trying to develop Indian literature on French Wikisource.
We are very far to have anything comprehensive, but I am working on it.
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Portail:Litt%C3%A9rature_indienne

See also http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:IndexPages?key=Inde

If you want to help, you are more than welcome !
BTW English Wikisource would would also benefit from such a portal,
but everything has to be done:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Indian_literature is empty.

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mahasaraswati.jpg

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I found this post by Ray Saintonge, and I could not agree more: "WP
has become to concerned with compliance and copyright paranoia. People
who have no personal experience with law are afraid of it. Anything
which in their naïve minds even comes close to being illegal carries
the immediate risk of being swiftly put into jail for a very long
time. Probability is too uncertain for them. Most "law-abiding" people
are not willing to push the legal envelope to discover the limits of
the law; it's easier to misinterpret to one's own disadvantage.
Corporate interests have no such scruples. Too many WP admins are
overly willing to impose their ignorance out of an oversensitive
concern for the project's safety. Some open access purists are a
danger to themselves."

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mahasaraswati.jpg

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/3/23 Ashwin Baindur :
> Dear Sankar,
> I have read the discussion here :
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mahasaraswati.jpg
> and the http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#India
> and the threads on the Wikimedia-I list.
> I am not qualified to comment but here goes. I think rather than look to
> Wikipedia to change its policy, we must take the trouble to gather some kind
> of proof.
> Perhaps the best way is the way suggested by you - the Public Trust route,
> i.e.
> * Prove that temple is public trust, and work in public place of art
> * statement from trust that said painting has been in their ownership
> earlier than 1950
> * supported (if possible) by proof such as :
> ** stock register where the item is taken on charge
> ** record of payment to the artist
> ** affidavit from someone who has been associated over 60 years with the
> temple that image is over 60 years old

It is totally insane to require users to do this in order to publish a
photo on Commons.
Commons needs to assume good faith from editors.

Regards,

Yann

> ** mention in some old book, etc
> ** sometimes old timers who visit the temple regularly remember details and
> we can contact the artist (especially if its recent). He may release it into
> public domain/under free license.
> These could be sent as an OTRS so that the image is accepted.
> Alternative (?) - get an artist to make a similar work & release it under
> CC3.0 BYSA.
> I dont know if this is helpful but for important images such as these, we
> may need to take great efforts equivalent to the efforts for a hundred other
> images otherwise.
> BTW, I think we need an article on this temple too.
> Sincerely,
> Ashwin Baindur

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Discussion about deletion of a photo

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/3/23 jayanta nath 
>
> Dear sankarrukku Sir,
>
> Hello sir how are you?
>
> Regarding your comments  "we can not upload the photograph of any old Indian 
> painting or sculpture to Wiki Commons."  I am just clarifying you that can do 
> that. You you have to prove that those images are "old Indian painting 
> or sculpture" by proper source and painter and sculpture name.

The point is that in most cases, it is not possible to prove anything.
In copyright law, like in all legal issues, the proof is usually on
the accusation.
In Commons, it is reversed, the proof is on the uploader, which s/he
cannot do in many cases of Hindu paintings. Thus the system is skewed.

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum in Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hi Anirudh,

2011/3/10 Anirudh Bhati :
> Hi Yann,
>
> I spoke with a friend who has been to the museum before.  And then
> another journalist with FrenchTV is acquainted with you and your work
> with Ekta Parishad.

Yeah, she called me this morning! ;o)

> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>> Hi Liam,
>>
>> 2011/3/10 Liam Wyatt :
>>> Hi Yann,
>>
>> Well, there are several problems with that.
>>
>> 1. In order to make good photographs, a tripod will be necessary. I
>> doubt they will allow that for the usual fees.
>
> The National Museum permits the use of tripods on Mondays (for no
> extra charge) and for other days a request for permission has to be
> filed with the administration.

Oh, that's great!

>> 2. Seeing the size of the museum, many days will be needed to take
>> good photographs (not snapshots) of a sizeable portion of the museum.
>> At 300 Rs. each, it would be expensive for me. Actually I might not
>> need to pay that much, as I am a resident in India, and I am entitled
>> to the Indian fees.
>
> The differentiation is between Indian and foreign nationals, therefore
> you will be required to pay the usual fees for foreigners.  This is
> for still photography only.

No, I have a P.I.O. card, and I only pay the Indian fees when visiting places.

>> 3. For some items, there might copyright issues to publish the
>> resulting images under a free license.
>
> Please speak to Mr. Grover in the administration.  Apparently, they
> have some conditions with regard to publication of pictures taken in
> the museum.  Every picture should be tagged with "Courtesy: National
> Museum, New Delhi" and three copies of the published work must be
> placed with the museum.

Ok, noted.
The museum has a very interesting exhibition on history of Indian alphabets,
with diagrams which would be absolutely great for Wikipedia.

> Gautam, are there restrictions by copyright law on publishing pictures
> of art-work available in publicly-accessible galleries?  [We did have
> a discussion on this with Pranesh at the last Bangalore Wikipedia
> meetup].
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> anirudh

Best regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum in Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hi Liam,

2011/3/10 Liam Wyatt :
> Hi Yann,
>
> There is no shortage of museums that have huge collections of great stuff to
> photograph! :-) But yes, it would be good to get more Indian cultural
> heritage onto Wikimedia.
> According to the museum's website http://www.nationalmuseumindia.gov.in/ you
> can enter for 300rupees and are allowed to take photos for a further
> 300rupee fee. Presumably therefore, if you do buy this ticket, that means
> their policies allow people to take photos inside. I can't confirm this and
> it would be good if you would check for yourself so as to avoid any
> confrontations. I do not personally have any contacts at that museum and
> directly coordinating GLAM outreach relationships is not something that the
> Wikimedia Foundation can achieve. It is up to the local communities (and
> especially the chapters) to work out their best plans. I can help when
> necessary but we don't have any "official" capacity to contact anyone -
> we're just Wikimedians after all :-) Relatedly, I am working on the concept
> of the "GLAM Ambassador" who would have some kind of formal backing so they
> could get access to institutions, but this is a very young idea still.
>
> In the mean time I would suggest that, if you can confirm if they DO allow
> photography, that you go ahead and do it - but make sure that you also add
> their record/accession/item record number to the metadata when you upload it
> so that it can be tracked back to their catalogue. If they do NOT allow
> photography then it will be a longer process to form a relationship with
> them to either have them donate their own images or allow Wikimedians in for
> a specific photography event.

Well, there are several problems with that.

1. In order to make good photographs, a tripod will be necessary. I
doubt they will allow that for the usual fees.

2. Seeing the size of the museum, many days will be needed to take
good photographs (not snapshots) of a sizeable portion of the museum.
At 300 Rs. each, it would be expensive for me. Actually I might not
need to pay that much, as I am a resident in India, and I am entitled
to the Indian fees.

3. For some items, there might copyright issues to publish the
resulting images under a free license.

> Sincerely,
> -Liam

Regards,

Yann

> wittylama.com/blog
> Peace, love & metadata
>
> On 9 March 2011 16:44, Yann Forget  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I visited the National Museum in Delhi today and I have discovered
>> that it contains a huge collection of arts which would be very
>> interesting to have in Wikimedia Commons. I have a decent camera and a
>> tripod, and I could spend some time taking photographs there, if the
>> museum would allow.
>> Would it be possible to contact them officially, either Hisham or
>> someone from Wikimedia India?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] National Museum in Delhi

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I visited the National Museum in Delhi today and I have discovered
that it contains a huge collection of arts which would be very
interesting to have in Wikimedia Commons. I have a decent camera and a
tripod, and I could spend some time taking photographs there, if the
museum would allow.
Would it be possible to contact them officially, either Hisham or
someone from Wikimedia India?

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta :
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>
>> Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared
>> to the threats we get on a daily basis.
>
> What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.

I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat
because of my work on Wikisource.

Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent
me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if
the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also
sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted
after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice
and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL
address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my
Wikisource home page.

The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not
in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am
legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in
India.

In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would
not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying
for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the
publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model
is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French
literature.

> Bishakha

Regards,

Yann

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[Wikimediaindia-l] Khan Academy

[Yann Forget]

Forwareded from Foundation-l.

Yann

-- Forwarded message --
From: Lodewijk 
Date: 2011/2/18
Subject: [Foundation-l] Khan Academy
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 

Hi,

probably a lot of people know http://www.khanacademy.org . Really cool
stuff, that could potentially be a great base for Wikibooks etc, and
Wikimedia could possibly be a great help in getting stuff translated,
subtitled etc. However, it is NC-licensed.

Did anyone ever have contact with Salman Khan about licensing under CCBYSA?

Lodewijk

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Chapter Registered

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Hello,

Congratulations from Madhya Pradesh.

Yann

2011/1/14 Arjuna Rao Chavala :
> Hello all,
>
> We are  very pleased to announce the successful registration of the
> Wikimedia Chapter vide  Registrar of Societies, Bangalore Urban District
> Certificate No: SOR/BLU/DR/1137/10-11 dt  03 Jan 2011.
>
> We have become a formal entity due to the untiring efforts of Wikipedians
> (in alphabetical order) Anirudh Bhati, Arjuna Rao Chavala, Arun Ramarathnam,
> Balasundararaman,  Gautam John, Hari Prasad Nadig, Srinivas Gunta for  over
> two long years with support from Achal Prabhala, Wikimedia Foundation
> Advisory Board member,  Bishakha Datta, Wikimedia Foundation Trustee and
> Barry Newstead, Chief Global Development Officer, Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> We would like to place on record the support by Centre for Internet and
> Society, Bangalore, specially its director, Sunil Abraham  for extending
> their office support for  chapter and community meetings  and registration
> support by its auditor Mr MN Rao.  The efforts of Gautam John  and Arun
> Ramarathnam in working with registration authorities are  appreciated.
>
> We are delighted with this development, as Wikimedians all over world are
> celebrating Wikipedia's Tenth anniversary  this week. We have over 60 events
> happening in India(http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:India). At this
> juncture, we would like to commit ourselves to taking Wikimedia Movement to
> greater heights by engaging with Wikimedia Foundation, Wikimedian community
> in India and  all Indians by working with special focus on  all Indian
> languages including English.
>
> With your active  participation and support, Chapter can play a key role in
> enabling access to free  knowledge to everyone. In  the next few weeks, you
> will hear more  actively from the Chapter on various initiatives. In the
> mean time, for any questions, please send a mail to executive committee
> mailing list  wikimedia-in-e...@wikimedia.in
>
> Please  do check Wikimedia India website  http://wikimedia.in for further
> updates.
>
> Cheers
>
> On behalf of
> Wikimedia India Executive Committee,
>
> Arjuna Rao Chavala
> PS: Please help reduce the noise on the mailing list to the minimum by  not
> sending your appreciation remarks to the entire list and placing the same
> on   wikimedia.in announcement discussion page
> http://wikimedia.in/wiki/Chapter_Registration_accomplished
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Calling interested Indore-wallas and folks from near-by

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Hi,

2010/12/19 guru brahma :
> Hi all,
>
> I have recently relocated to Indore. I am exploring the opportunity of
> organising Xth anniversary celebrations of Wikipedia here. If there are any
> people on this list who are from Indore or near by, please contact me off-list
> at the earliest.

I am in Bhopal, but I will be quite busy around January 15.
I am anyway interested by any event happening in Madhya Pradesh.

> Regards,
> Srinivas.
>
> Wikimedia handle: Gurubrahma

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Media coverage

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I have some connections with journalists here: Hindi dailys and India Today.
Please tell me if I can help.

Regards,

Yann

2010/9/2 Barry Newstead :
> Thanks for connecting us with Live Mint. I think it is a good piece.  Let's
> connect offlist, Tinu Cherian, about any other media activities that we
> should include in the trip. The combination of the great work that all of
> you are doing, plus the chapter launch and the WMF's focus on India should
> be a good story to help inspire more people in India to join the movement.
>
> On 09/02/2010 06:01 AM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote:
>
> Thanks Bishakha ,
> I had shared this news of Wikimedia Foundation India office with  Sidin
> Vadakkut,the Managing editor of Live Mint.
>
> Hope to get more coverage of this on other publications too, when Barry will
> be in India.
>
> Regards
> Tinu Cherian

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please help test geolocation

[Yann Forget]

2010/8/17 Casey Brown :
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:
>> I tested it from Delhi and the result was good.
>> However from Gwalior, it puts me in Madras/Chennai.
>> Not good at all: not the same city, not the same state, and not even
>> the same language.
>>
>
> Did you put your results on the page?
> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MaxMindCityTesting>

Yes.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Please help test geolocation

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

I tested it from Delhi and the result was good.
However from Gwalior, it puts me in Madras/Chennai.
Not good at all: not the same city, not the same state, and not even
the same language.

Regards,

Yann

2010/8/10 Erik Moeller :
> Hello all,
>
> we're experimenting with geolocation tools. For the purpose of
> supporting the coordination of meetups and events, we want to add
> functionality that will make it easy to run banners in a particular
> region (e.g. a city and surrounding area).
>
> To do so, we need to license a database that will allow us to look up
> a person's presumed location based on their IP address. Before we do
> so, we want to gather some reports from around the world about the
> quality of the information provided.
>
> To help out, please visit:
> http://www.maxmind.com/app/mylocation
>
> And then report your results at:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MaxMindCityTesting
>
> Thanks for any and all help,
>
> Erik
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> Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia logo in Sinhala

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Hi Cary,

2010/6/23 Cary Bass :
> I had a rough time trying to find a Sinhala font that
>
> 1) Worked on my laptop system in Linux.
> 2) Worked in Inkscape without serious spacing errors.
> 3) Isn't way too heavy or way too light to represent Wikipedia.
>
> I found something called "Iskoola Pota" which seems to me to have
> worked.  However, not knowing Sinhala, I have no clue whether it does,
> in fact, look right, or appropriate.
>
> 
>
> If anyone can provide any insight; I would be delighted.
>
> PS: I still haven't found an appropriate font for the Gujarati logo.
> Ideas and/or help are welcome.

I don't know about Sinhala, but there is free font for Indian
languages, including Gujarati which is called Lohit
{Bengali|Gujarati|Hindi|Kannada|Oriya|Punjabi||Tamil|Telugu}.

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> Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation

Regards,

Yann

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Twitter IDs if possible.

[Yann Forget]

Hello,

2010/4/15 Cary Bass :
> Not being an Indian Wikipedian, but being one who follows this list, I'm
> going to provide mine as well:  Bastique

I am not an Indian either, and I don't use Twitter (yet), but I am
very interested by the development of Wikimedia India.

> Cary Bass

Yann, who is in a remote village in northern Madhya Pradesh.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India task force

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Hello,

Achal Prabhala wrote:
> Greetings...my name is Achal Prabhala and I am helping the Wikimedia 
> Foundation with their strategy exercise 
> (http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), specifically, by 
> coordinating the India task force 
> (http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Task_force/India_Task_Force).
> 
> While several people have applied to be on the task force, and others 
> have been invited, we are still looking for Wikipedians and Wiki 
> enthusiasts with some very specific attributes, namely:
> 
> - Hindi Wikipedians (or Wikipedians who live in Delhi/ North India and 
> come from there)

During the next month, I will relocate to India. I will be based in 
Gwalior. While my level of written Hindi is not that great, I would like 
to help. I also don't know how much time, and what Internet access I 
will have.

In case, you don't know, this is me ;o)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yann
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rickshaw_Jan2007.jpg

> - Northeastern Wikipedians (who originate from and preferably live in 
> some part of Northeast India, excluding Calcutta and W. Bengal)
> - Urdu/ Punjabi Wikipedians (either from Pakistan and living there, or 
> from India)
> 
> Lastly, there is a somewhat embarrassing lack of female participation in 
> the Wikimedia world generally, and this reflects almost more sharply in 
> our region. Should any of you be (or know of) good candidates to correct 
> this apparent representational imbalance, we are very interested in 
> hearing from you.
> 
> I'm writing to ask for your help in trying to identify some names/ leads 
> around all four categories listed above. If you feel you fit these 
> attributes yourself, please don't hesitate to nominate yourself - all we 
> need to know is a little about what you do and why you think you could 
> contribute to the India task force.
> 
> Could you please send your suggestions to me (aprabh...@gmail.com) and 
> Eugene Kim (ee...@blueoxen.com) in the next one or two days?
> 
> Thank you in anticipation.
> 
> Cheers,
> Achal

Regards,

Yann
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