Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
On 13 June 2015 at 06:47, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not going to vote for anyone just because he is Indian That makes sense perfectly. However we should also work to organize people (1.2 billions' country, million articles), and we face difficulties to get people. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
Hi, //Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community support is mostly important.// We are missing the larger perspective here. All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get those votes because they came from some specific global region or promised to do something if elected. They got those votes for what they have *already accomplished* in the Wikimedia movement. Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates. For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about her or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of getting selected is zero. Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over night. Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more stewards? Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC, IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience in the local chapter is valued. Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding value to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia Conference, GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon? Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities and get involved in more national and international activities? One could even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India. We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest next time. We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to Wikimedia and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like minded initiatives. If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start working now at least. All the best :) Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
Totally agree with Ravi. We should groom more stewards and GAC/FDC members. That will help prepare a potential candidate (for board elections) for greater roles within the movement. It also will help build credibility. All the best for those who plan to stand in 2017. You're acid test starts now itself. On 09-Jun-2015 2:55 pm, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, //Having least number of eligible voter among the community was a major challenge to the Indic candidates. Mean time in future indic community support is mostly important.// We are missing the larger perspective here. All three winning candidates and others who lost closely did not get those votes because they came from some specific global region or promised to do something if elected. They got those votes for what they have *already accomplished* in the Wikimedia movement. Even if there are more eligible voters from India, one cannot assume they will all vote for candidates from India because ultimately Wikimedia ecosystem values meritocracy. All candidates from India have got more votes than the number of eligible voters from India. So, it shows that the world is willing to vote for us if we project the right candidates. For any candidate, if this is the first time the world is hearing about her or him with no proven track record in the movement, the chances of getting selected is zero. Diversity based on gender, region is good but that cannot occur over night. Only 2 out of 36 stewards are from India. Why don't we groom more stewards? Why don't we get engaged in various organizational activities like GAC, IEG, Wikimania scholarship committee, AffCom, FDC? Even having experience in the local chapter is valued. Why don't we try to get consistent visibility by attending and adding value to various movement related events like Wikimania, Wikimedia Conference, GLAM conference and Wikimedia Hackathon? Why don't we expand our contributions beyond our own language communities and get involved in more national and international activities? One could even simply start by organizing Wiki Loves Earth like contests in India. We already do have many such contributors and should encourage to contest next time. We need to bring more eminent contributors from FOSS movements to Wikimedia and Wikimedians should expand their contributions in other like minded initiatives. If someone hopes to get selected for 2017 elections, they better start working now at least. All the best :) Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
Tito, Feedback about elections can be posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Post_mortem Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
Thanks for sharing the result. I am not happy with this result for several reasons. I was expecting one Indian this time -- it is of course a reason of my unhappiness, but more importantly I think several things are unclear. *Point 1: So many neutral votes?* I hope I am not only one who is unhappy with this: Sailesh Patnaik – User:Saileshpat https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Saileshpat 1,010 *3,150*1,007 50.07% Syed Muzammiluddin – User:Hindustanilanguage https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hindustanilanguage 816 * 3,491 * 860 48.69% Nisar Ahmed Syed – User:అహ్మద్ నిసార్ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%E0%B0%85%E0%B0%B9%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AE%E0%B0%A6%E0%B1%8D_%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%B8%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%B0%E0%B1%8D 735 * 3,481 * 951 43.59% Now for Sailesh 3000 of 5000 voters are neutral (I *know* neutral votes are *not* counted). When on the English Wikipedia Request for adminship (RFA), one gives a neutral vote, that actually means-- I am not ready to vote (support/oppose) now. I am neutral now, watching discussions, his answers, will change vote if needed. And yes, they often change to support/oppose I have *never* seen any En WP RFA with more than 3% or so neutral votes. 66% neutral votes?! And what does *neutral mean here*? I am feeling at this moment-- unlike RFA and other on-wiki process where every candidate has a separate page, here on board election I saw all candidates' names were listed on one page, and the default vote was neutral. To assess everyone's answers, stats, it'll take at least 2 hours (or more). So I feel *many editors* just supported their favorite candidates and just not making any change anywhere else. *From another point of view* Now, let's see it from another point of view, in *small Wikis*, where there are 50 or 100 active editor, naturally there will not be many votes or more important 'eligible voters. Suppose 50 voters are voting from Telugu/Urdu Wikipedia, but 600 or 800 voters are coming from large Wikis like Italian, French, (umm English). Chances are many of them came to support their candidates OR supported only those candidates they know and remained neutral for others. *IF* there were tendency/mentality (*which should be here*) that I'll not spend 2 hours to examine all candidates, but I'll support only those candidates I know, and remain neutral for others after all I am not doing any harm by remaining neutral, let others decide, --this *is* dangerous. everytime an editor is thinking I am not doing any harm by remaining neutral, let others decide, he is actually giving +1 vote to his candidate and 0 to others who he has not examined. Small Wikis just can not compete it. [If it was 3000 oppose votes, I could understand. Why so many neutral votes? It is result of either a combination of the weak voting system and negligence of voters or we have just evidenced a mass-neutrolo-voting. :) This was the first thing/point I was feeling. There were a few more points, but the post is already very long. :) Congrats to all who were elected, specially Doc James :) On 6 June 2015 at 08:23, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Link : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Results -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Results of WMF Elections 2015
Link : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Results -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
