Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[Anivar Aravind]

sorry for typo in subject line

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
wrote:

> 2004?  Surely its done by now? Oh wait, we didn't have a Chapter then! ;)
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Anivar Aravind  > wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Anivar Aravind 
>> Date: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM
>> Subject: WMIN 2004 Elections Announcement
>> To: Wikimedia Members List 
>>
>>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> *Subject: Election Notice for Wikimedia Chapter Executive Committee
>> Elections-2014*
>>
>> The Election Committee appointed by Wikimedia Chapter Executive
>> Committee(EC) for notifying and conducting the Election to Wikimedia
>> Chapter EC election, hereby announces the election to the Wikimedia Chapter
>> EC for the two year term.
>>
>> A detailed ‘Rules & Regulations for the Election’ is available on wiki (
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/File:WMINElectionAndAppointmentRules.pdf) which
>> includes the Nomination Form for Candidature (at Page 7). As of now
>> approved Members who are on the membership roll as on 23 August 2014 are
>> eligible to participate in the Election and contest the Election (as per
>> by-laws,based on the date of election and AGM scheduled for 23 Nov 2014).
>> An electoral roll will be made available by the EC at least three weeks
>> before the AGM as per the MOA. This will includes updates if any to the
>> members list which will be used for finalizing the slate of candidates as
>> well as for mailing ballots.
>>
>> Please note the following details:
>>
>> 1. Date of election: 23 Nov 2014.
>>
>> 2. Timing for voting in person: As per AGM Agenda which will be
>> communicated by Chapter later.
>>
>> 3. Place of election and for sending postal communication:
>>
>> Wikimedia Chapter, No.194, 2nd 'C' Cross, Dommaluru 2nd stage, Bangalore
>> 560071. India.
>>
>> 4. Last date and time of receiving nominations: 24 Oct 2014, 11:59PM IST
>>
>> WMIN Wiki   (
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014) will be used as the electronic
>> medium for submitting and processing nominations. Each nomination is to be
>> placed on a sub page and linked from the Elections page. Members proposing
>> and seconding the candidature as well as the candidate have to sign using
>> their user-ids on wiki. They also need to identify their membership number
>> on their User pages for validation. Nomination pages will be locked to
>> prevent editing on the day following the due date.
>>
>> 5. Scrutiny and Publishing Draft slate of candidates: 25 Oct 2014
>>
>> 5. Last date for withdrawal of nominations: 29 Oct 2014 11:59PM
>>
>> 6. Publishing final slate of candidates: 01-Nov-2014
>>
>> The Executive Committee and the Election Committee will host an IRC on 20
>> Oct 2014 ,Monday between 9PM and 10.30PM on IRC channel #wikimedia-in. All
>> potential candidates and WMIN members are requested to make use of this for
>> any clarifications on rules and procedures with Election Committee and
>> Executive Committee.
>>
>> There will facilitate a second IRC meeting on 05 Nov 2014 between
>> Candidates and the Voters . Voters can make use of this opportunity to
>> interact with each candidate in WMIN election.
>>
>>
>> The Election Committee comprises of the following members:
>>
>>- Anivar Aravind  : Returning officer
>>- Pavithra H  : Polling Officer
>>- Srinivas Rao DB : Polling Officer
>>
>> You can contact us via Talk:Elections2014
>>  for any clarifications or
>> discussions.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your cooperation to conduct the election in free
>> and fair manner.
>>
>> *More Information*
>>
>>- WMIN Election 2014 Home page http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014
>>- Election Notice http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014/Announcement
>>- Nomination Procedure
>>http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014/Nominations
>>- Membership list published by chapter
>>http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Membership_List_as_on_2014_September_30
>>
>>
>> ~ regards
>>
>> Elecom Members
>> Pavithra H
>> Srinivas Rao DB
>> Anivar Aravind
>>
>>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[praveenp]

Hi Anivar,

I wish to know about the procedure of the selection of Election
committee and Returning officer. I know you've membership in all the
available mailing lists, you used to keep "Activist" phrase in all
your email signatures, and I know that you are a great propaganda
pusher (Mostly your personal propagandas :-)). But I  wish to know
your actual contributions to these projects or community.

I believe that a  person who acting as a returning officer must be
truthful atleast to himselft. Last time I saw you in Malayalam
Wikipedia to teach us that Wikimedians must 'suffer' ULS in developer
insisted form because what Wikipedia is technocracy not democracy.
Here you are acting as a returning officer. That bit is too hard for
me to understand.

I know that there are manyy allegations against you including recent
one from a female fellow feminism activist. Personally I didn't see
any explanation from you anywhere even-though there is a vast
discussion in facebook and other social medias about this issue. I
don't knnow that whether you sexually offended anybody anywhere. But I
 believe that you cannot pop up somewhere else without explaining
yourself anywhere after such a big accusation. OR may be I am missing
explanation from  your side.

I know nothiing about others though.

Praveen P




On 13/10/2014, Anivar Aravind  wrote:
> sorry for typo in subject line
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> 2004?  Surely its done by now? Oh wait, we didn't have a Chapter then! ;)
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Anivar Aravind
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>> FYI
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Anivar Aravind 
>>> Date: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM
>>> Subject: WMIN 2004 Elections Announcement
>>> To: Wikimedia Members List 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> *Subject: Election Notice for Wikimedia Chapter Executive Committee
>>> Elections-2014*
>>>
>>> The Election Committee appointed by Wikimedia Chapter Executive
>>> Committee(EC) for notifying and conducting the Election to Wikimedia
>>> Chapter EC election, hereby announces the election to the Wikimedia
>>> Chapter
>>> EC for the two year term.
>>>
>>> A detailed ‘Rules & Regulations for the Election’ is available on wiki (
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/File:WMINElectionAndAppointmentRules.pdf) which
>>> includes the Nomination Form for Candidature (at Page 7). As of now
>>> approved Members who are on the membership roll as on 23 August 2014 are
>>> eligible to participate in the Election and contest the Election (as per
>>> by-laws,based on the date of election and AGM scheduled for 23 Nov
>>> 2014).
>>> An electoral roll will be made available by the EC at least three weeks
>>> before the AGM as per the MOA. This will includes updates if any to the
>>> members list which will be used for finalizing the slate of candidates
>>> as
>>> well as for mailing ballots.
>>>
>>> Please note the following details:
>>>
>>> 1. Date of election: 23 Nov 2014.
>>>
>>> 2. Timing for voting in person: As per AGM Agenda which will be
>>> communicated by Chapter later.
>>>
>>> 3. Place of election and for sending postal communication:
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Chapter, No.194, 2nd 'C' Cross, Dommaluru 2nd stage, Bangalore
>>> 560071. India.
>>>
>>> 4. Last date and time of receiving nominations: 24 Oct 2014, 11:59PM IST
>>>
>>> WMIN Wiki   (
>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014) will be used as the electronic
>>> medium for submitting and processing nominations. Each nomination is to
>>> be
>>> placed on a sub page and linked from the Elections page. Members
>>> proposing
>>> and seconding the candidature as well as the candidate have to sign
>>> using
>>> their user-ids on wiki. They also need to identify their membership
>>> number
>>> on their User pages for validation. Nomination pages will be locked to
>>> prevent editing on the day following the due date.
>>>
>>> 5. Scrutiny and Publishing Draft slate of candidates: 25 Oct 2014
>>>
>>> 5. Last date for withdrawal of nominations: 29 Oct 2014 11:59PM
>>>
>>> 6. Publishing final slate of candidates: 01-Nov-2014
>>>
>>> The Executive Committee and the Election Committee will host an IRC on
>>> 20
>>> Oct 2014 ,Monday between 9PM and 10.30PM on IRC channel #wikimedia-in.
>>> All
>>> potential candidates and WMIN members are requested to make use of this
>>> for
>>> any clarifications on rules and procedures with Election Committee and
>>> Executive Committee.
>>>
>>> There will facilitate a second IRC meeting on 05 Nov 2014 between
>>> Candidates and the Voters . Voters can make use of this opportunity to
>>> interact with each candidate in WMIN election.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Election Committee comprises of the following members:
>>>
>>>- Anivar Aravind  : Returning officer
>>>- Pavithra H  : Polling Officer
>>>- Srinivas Rao DB : Polling Officer
>>>
>>> You can contact us via Talk:Elections2014
>>> 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[Anivar Aravind]

Dear All ,


I stopped responding to praveen long back in all social media platforms and
blocked him from my contact lists . I do support pseudo anonymity as
political right , But I dont want to entertain his baseless allegations and
abuses

Since this is a response to Election committee mail  , I am responding
inline


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM, praveenp  wrote:

> Hi Anivar,
>
> I wish to know about the procedure of the selection of Election
> committee and Returning officer.
>

Please ask Chapter .Announcement mail is linked at
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014 page



> truthful atleast to himselft. Last time I saw you in Malayalam
> Wikipedia to teach us that Wikimedians must 'suffer' ULS in developer
> insisted form because what Wikipedia is technocracy not democracy.
>

I think praveen is referring my efforts to interface between the FOSS
developer way of decision making and Wikimedia community way. This post
summarizes it
http://www.quora.com/Why-was-ULS-forced-on-reluctant-language-wikipedias-without-any-community-consensus

various community issues around technology decision making  such as ULS is
also part of  discussions in India Community Consultation as well .

But personalizing issues and building and spreading personal animosity
around technology opinions is a nonconstructive attitude of this identity
for long . So I am not engaging with him further on this off-topic
conversation .

I hope moderators will take a note on this

~ regards

Anivar Aravind
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[praveenp]

On 14/10/2014, Anivar Aravind  wrote:
> Dear All ,
>
>
> I stopped responding to praveen long back in all social media platforms and
> blocked him from my contact lists. I do support pseudo anonymity as

Did I complain you? ;-)

> political right , But I dont want to entertain his baseless allegations and
> abuses

If you believe my mail is baseless, you could have ask me reference
other than using this escapism again and again. :-)

>
> Since this is a response to Election committee mail  , I am responding
> inline
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM, praveenp  wrote:
>
>> Hi Anivar,
>>
>> I wish to know about the procedure of the selection of Election
>> committee and Returning officer.
>>
>
> Please ask Chapter .Announcement mail is linked at
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014 page
>

I know the rule. I am asking that how you are maintain to get titles
like this without any real contributions anywhere. Even more badly, in
this same list I saw you were discouraging users just because they
were not  using your favorite operating system.

>
>
>> truthful atleast to himselft. Last time I saw you in Malayalam
>> Wikipedia to teach us that Wikimedians must 'suffer' ULS in developer
>> insisted form because what Wikipedia is technocracy not democracy.
>>
>
> I think praveen is referring my efforts to interface between the FOSS
> developer way of decision making and Wikimedia community way. This post
> summarizes it
> http://www.quora.com/Why-was-ULS-forced-on-reluctant-language-wikipedias-without-any-community-consensus

Happy to see that you have such a flexible vision :-) Hating consensus
while being a returning official of a poll is such a great ability!

>
> various community issues around technology decision making  such as ULS is
> also part of  discussions in India Community Consultation as well .

offtopic: What? Where?

>
> But personalizing issues and building and spreading personal animosity
> around technology opinions is a nonconstructive attitude of this identity
> for long . So I am not engaging with him further on this off-topic
> conversation .

I want this community and its process clear and correct. I cannot
agree someone with bad reputation represent community and its
decisions. Whenever I am asking somethin to you, I hope you would
reply a proper answer so that users can believe you. Unfortunately
never happened.

>
> I hope moderators will take a note on this
>

Please stop such threats, If you can answer my questins (including the
sexual offense case, which  you omitted again), problem solved.


> ~ regards
>
> Anivar Aravind
>

Praveen P

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[praveenp]

Dear fellow Wikimedians and Chapter Members,

This is a bad situation. Anivar Aravind is not ready to answer any
questions or concern about him. Everytime somebody ask him some
explanations, he either attack  user(s) who try to get some
clarifications claiming that they have some agendas or ducking back
and hiding for sometime.

Personally I even don't and and I am not interested know him outside
these mailing list. As you can see, always he select words to feel
like there is a long time 'real life rivalry' as an escape tactics. I
only want to know truth and reasons.

But various accusations against him and his attitude to community
seriously trouble me also. Generally he came to ml.wp village pump to
teach us  pretending somekind of 'techno-upper-cast' that we were
wrong (eg: Unicode normalization decision and ULS deployment)  but
fortunately there is always enough people with better knowledge.

I believe it is better to ban people like him from representing
Wikimedia India and Indian Wikimedians community at least untill there
is some answers.

Regards,
Praveen P

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[Tito Dutta]

Was not it only an "announcement"?

On 14 October 2014 22:18, praveenp  wrote:

> On 14/10/2014, Anivar Aravind  wrote:
> > Dear All ,
> >
> >
> > I stopped responding to praveen long back in all social media platforms
> and
> > blocked him from my contact lists. I do support pseudo anonymity as
>
> Did I complain you? ;-)
>
> > political right , But I dont want to entertain his baseless allegations
> and
> > abuses
>
> If you believe my mail is baseless, you could have ask me reference
> other than using this escapism again and again. :-)
>
> >
> > Since this is a response to Election committee mail  , I am responding
> > inline
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM, praveenp  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Anivar,
> >>
> >> I wish to know about the procedure of the selection of Election
> >> committee and Returning officer.
> >>
> >
> > Please ask Chapter .Announcement mail is linked at
> > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014 page
> >
>
> I know the rule. I am asking that how you are maintain to get titles
> like this without any real contributions anywhere. Even more badly, in
> this same list I saw you were discouraging users just because they
> were not  using your favorite operating system.
>
> >
> >
> >> truthful atleast to himselft. Last time I saw you in Malayalam
> >> Wikipedia to teach us that Wikimedians must 'suffer' ULS in developer
> >> insisted form because what Wikipedia is technocracy not democracy.
> >>
> >
> > I think praveen is referring my efforts to interface between the FOSS
> > developer way of decision making and Wikimedia community way. This post
> > summarizes it
> >
> http://www.quora.com/Why-was-ULS-forced-on-reluctant-language-wikipedias-without-any-community-consensus
>
> Happy to see that you have such a flexible vision :-) Hating consensus
> while being a returning official of a poll is such a great ability!
>
> >
> > various community issues around technology decision making  such as ULS
> is
> > also part of  discussions in India Community Consultation as well .
>
> offtopic: What? Where?
>
> >
> > But personalizing issues and building and spreading personal animosity
> > around technology opinions is a nonconstructive attitude of this identity
> > for long . So I am not engaging with him further on this off-topic
> > conversation .
>
> I want this community and its process clear and correct. I cannot
> agree someone with bad reputation represent community and its
> decisions. Whenever I am asking somethin to you, I hope you would
> reply a proper answer so that users can believe you. Unfortunately
> never happened.
>
> >
> > I hope moderators will take a note on this
> >
>
> Please stop such threats, If you can answer my questins (including the
> sexual offense case, which  you omitted again), problem solved.
>
>
> > ~ regards
> >
> > Anivar Aravind
> >
>
> Praveen P
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[praveenp]

On 14/10/2014, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> Was not it only an "announcement"?

I am really sorry, but I really had to disrupt such an "announcement"
because Sri Anivar uses every such announcement  as an opportunity to
bypass any allegations against him, and also most of the times  he
gets titles like returning officer without any real activity or
contributions. And I know  because of my past experience that probably
he will do it again and agian, escaping any answering anywhere.

>
> On 14 October 2014 22:18, praveenp  wrote:
>
>> On 14/10/2014, Anivar Aravind  wrote:
>> > Dear All ,
>> >
>> >
>> > I stopped responding to praveen long back in all social media platforms
>> and
>> > blocked him from my contact lists. I do support pseudo anonymity as
>>
>> Did I complain you? ;-)
>>
>> > political right , But I dont want to entertain his baseless allegations
>> and
>> > abuses
>>
>> If you believe my mail is baseless, you could have ask me reference
>> other than using this escapism again and again. :-)
>>
>> >
>> > Since this is a response to Election committee mail  , I am responding
>> > inline
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM, praveenp  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Anivar,
>> >>
>> >> I wish to know about the procedure of the selection of Election
>> >> committee and Returning officer.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Please ask Chapter .Announcement mail is linked at
>> > http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014 page
>> >
>>
>> I know the rule. I am asking that how you are maintain to get titles
>> like this without any real contributions anywhere. Even more badly, in
>> this same list I saw you were discouraging users just because they
>> were not  using your favorite operating system.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> truthful atleast to himselft. Last time I saw you in Malayalam
>> >> Wikipedia to teach us that Wikimedians must 'suffer' ULS in developer
>> >> insisted form because what Wikipedia is technocracy not democracy.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think praveen is referring my efforts to interface between the FOSS
>> > developer way of decision making and Wikimedia community way. This post
>> > summarizes it
>> >
>> http://www.quora.com/Why-was-ULS-forced-on-reluctant-language-wikipedias-without-any-community-consensus
>>
>> Happy to see that you have such a flexible vision :-) Hating consensus
>> while being a returning official of a poll is such a great ability!
>>
>> >
>> > various community issues around technology decision making  such as ULS
>> is
>> > also part of  discussions in India Community Consultation as well .
>>
>> offtopic: What? Where?
>>
>> >
>> > But personalizing issues and building and spreading personal animosity
>> > around technology opinions is a nonconstructive attitude of this
>> > identity
>> > for long . So I am not engaging with him further on this off-topic
>> > conversation .
>>
>> I want this community and its process clear and correct. I cannot
>> agree someone with bad reputation represent community and its
>> decisions. Whenever I am asking somethin to you, I hope you would
>> reply a proper answer so that users can believe you. Unfortunately
>> never happened.
>>
>> >
>> > I hope moderators will take a note on this
>> >
>>
>> Please stop such threats, If you can answer my questins (including the
>> sexual offense case, which  you omitted again), problem solved.
>>
>>
>> > ~ regards
>> >
>> > Anivar Aravind
>> >
>>
>> Praveen P
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMIN Executive committee elections 2014 announcement

[വിശ്വപ്രഭ]

Dear Praveenp,

With all due respects to you as one of the most contributing and persistent
Wikipedian (I must say probably the staunchest of the backbones of
Malayalam Wikipedia), I must now respond here as a member of the WMIN
Executive Committee, a colleague at ml.wikipedia  as well as a good friend
of both of you..

Despite whatever personal issues between you and Anivar, I can vouch that
Anivar too have been contributing to the Wikimedia causes in his own ways
for some time now. You may not see it through the number of edits or such
statistics, but his timely involvement in many events and projects have
also helped Malayalam Wikisource to stand where it is now. Apart from that,
he has been taking an active and serious interest in the Chapter's mission.

Anivar, Pavithra and DB Srinivasa Rao were selected as the Election
Committee (EleCom) via a very proper protocol by the Executive Committee. *It
was the EC who solicited their help and willingness to be members of the
Election Committee at a time when few were even willing to be members of
the chapter.* Their selection as Election Committee was done even much
before the new (restructured) EC came into form. The then EC had
unanimously passed the resolution to appoint the EleCom without any
conflicts among themselves.

As far as the Wikimedia India Chapter is concerned, our interest in
people's individual issues and relations are clearly limited to the
Chapter's affairs. As I see it, being a member of the EleCom has nothing
much to do with how one may be active or inactive in a rather unrelated
domain, as long as one delivers the performance assumed and expected of his
capacity in the right degree.

I sincerely believe that the history of piques between you and Anivar has
nothing to do with the conducting of WMIN elections in a free and fair
manner. The Chapter would rather concentrate on much more pressing tasks
for which our resources are still running bit of a short as of now.

It is embarrassing to have to respond to such messages (that should be of
interest in scope, to only the Chapter circles), at this honorable list,
being primarily an open mail list for Indian Wikimedia projects. In the
first place, that the announcement is also copied on to this list was
purely with an intention to make as many Chapter members as possible.to be
aware of the upcoming elections. Beyond that, anyone is welcome to ponder
upon further affairs at the chapter's wiki itself, with a record and
history.

I also take this opportunity to urge Praveen and others to take a more
long-standing interest in the chapter, be an active member there and get
more involved from within, so that we can have even better qualified people
to select from. It really makes a difference when you are inside the system.

May I take that this discussion is now concluded with this message.

:-)

With love to all and malice towards none,
Viswam



On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:08 AM, praveenp  wrote:

> On 14/10/2014, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> > Was not it only an "announcement"?
>
> I am really sorry, but I really had to disrupt such an "announcement"
> because Sri Anivar uses every such announcement  as an opportunity to
> bypass any allegations against him, and also most of the times  he
> gets titles like returning officer without any real activity or
> contributions. And I know  because of my past experience that probably
> he will do it again and agian, escaping any answering anywhere.
>
> >>
>
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