Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Andrew Gray 
On 8 February 2012 16:34, Harry Burt  wrote:

> It's worth noting that traditionally PPCs have had difficulty sustaining
> articles, whereas incumbent MPs are all notable. I suspect the same may be
> true of L.A. elections.

Yes.

In early 2010, I reviewed a lot of pages for constituencies to look
for articles on PPCs, which tend to be very problematic puff-pieces of
limited notability. I think perhaps 75% were fairly irredeemable.

In the current case, the best answer is to point toward the notability
guidelines for politicians, which I think explicitly state that the
community does not think candidates for an office which would
otherwise confer notability can be notable simply by virtue of being
candidates for it, and to explain that the corrolary of this is that
articles on candidates are often deleted, which leads to tears.

(Perhaps a bullet-point FAQ on "Can I have an article?", with common
arguments and problems, is a worthwhile thing to produce for outreach
purposes. "#15. 'But I wrote a book!'")

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Thomas Dalton 
On 8 February 2012 16:59, Richard Symonds
 wrote:
> I was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Biggs_(politician), which
> led me to believe that possible they are notable - if elected. There are a
> few sources for the candidates, but mostly local news - eg "Party X hopeful
> cleans up our streets with help from the local football team!"
>
> Might possibly pass GNG possibly.

I think you would struggle to show that such coverage was "significant".

The specific notability guideline ([1]) says to redirect candidates to
the article on the election, which sounds like a good guideline to me.
I think members of the London Assembly could be notable as members of
a "state or provincial legislature" (there are states and provinces
with smaller populations than Greater London - New South Wales has
about half a million fewer people, for example, and everyone on [2]
has an article), but they would have to win the election first.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:POLITICIAN
2. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_New_South_Wales_Legislative_Assembly,_2011%E2%80%932015

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Charles Matthews 
On 8 February 2012 16:19, Richard Symonds
wrote:
>
>
>1. We've had a couple of contacts from local political parties trying
>to get pages about candidates in the upcoming London Assembly elections. At
>present, we only really have stubs on a few of the candidates. We told them
>politely that it's not something we can help with - WP is written by
>volunteers - although we did of course offer to teach their volunteers how
>to edit (and edit ethically and openly) if necessary. Perhaps this is
>something to keep an eye on when you're patrolling articles, or looking for
>a new DYK?
>
> The helpful answer (being a candidate doesn't confer notability) belongs
in a FAQ somewhere. Question is, where.

Charles
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Symonds 
I was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Biggs_(politician) 
, which led me 
to believe that possible they are notable - if elected. There are a few 
sources for the candidates, but mostly local news - eg "Party X hopeful 
cleans up our streets with help from the local football team!"


Might possibly pass GNG possibly.

On 08/02/2012 16:34, Harry Burt wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Richard Symonds 
> wrote:


Good afternoon everyone! I have a couple of things that I'm
begging your assistance with: I hope you folks can help.

 1. [...]
 2. We've had a couple of contacts from local political parties
trying to get pages about candidates in the upcoming London
Assembly elections. At present, we only really have stubs on a
few of the candidates. We told them politely that it's not
something we can help with - WP is written by volunteers -
although we did of course offer to teach their volunteers how
to edit (and edit ethically and openly) if necessary. Perhaps
this is something to keep an eye on when you're patrolling
articles, or looking for a new DYK?

It's worth noting that traditionally PPCs have had difficulty 
sustaining articles, whereas incumbent MPs are all notable. I suspect 
the same may be true of L.A. elections.


As the motto goes, sources first, article second. Although I 
personally don't mind helping with some of these (being a politics 
student).


Regards,
Harry (User:Jarry1250)



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Harry Burt 
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone! I have a couple of things that I'm begging your
> assistance with: I hope you folks can help.
>
>1. [...]
>2. We've had a couple of contacts from local political parties trying
>to get pages about candidates in the upcoming London Assembly elections. At
>present, we only really have stubs on a few of the candidates. We told them
>politely that it's not something we can help with - WP is written by
>volunteers - although we did of course offer to teach their volunteers how
>to edit (and edit ethically and openly) if necessary. Perhaps this is
>something to keep an eye on when you're patrolling articles, or looking for
>a new DYK?
>
> It's worth noting that traditionally PPCs have had difficulty sustaining
articles, whereas incumbent MPs are all notable. I suspect the same may be
true of L.A. elections.

As the motto goes, sources first, article second. Although I personally
don't mind helping with some of these (being a politics student).

Regards,
Harry (User:Jarry1250)
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[Wikimediauk-l] A few requests!

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Symonds 
Good afternoon everyone! I have a couple of things that I'm begging your 
assistance with: I hope you folks can help.


1. We need the page at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer expanding
   a bit. Perhaps with 'volunteer stories', or something similar. The
   comment at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Volunteer raises an
   important point, and from a new volunteer too. At present, it's a
   bit... basic and functional, and could use some expansion.
2. We've had a couple of contacts from local political parties trying
   to get pages about candidates in the upcoming London Assembly
   elections. At present, we only really have stubs on a few of the
   candidates. We told them politely that it's not something we can
   help with - WP is written by volunteers - although we did of course
   offer to teach their volunteers how to edit (and edit ethically and
   openly) if necessary. Perhaps this is something to keep an eye on
   when you're patrolling articles, or looking for a new DYK?
3. Does anyone have decent photoshopping skills? I have a few pictures
   that need digitally improving at some point - nearly all
   WMUK-related, and a few are planned for upcoming blog posts. Credit
   will go where credit is due, of course, and they'll all be uploaded
   to Commons on good time - but we need the colour/lighting levels
   adjusted on a few, maybe some artistic cropping, etc. Only a small
   job, but it needs doing, and no doubt there are people out there who
   are better at it than I would be!

Really hope you all can help. Feel free to reply on- or off-list.

All the best,

Richard Symonds
Office&  Development Manager
Wikimedia UK
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Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
its contents.

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