Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thomas Dalton]

On 30 March 2012 01:33, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval
> was more-or-less automatic...

I just subscribed a new email address and I was able to read the
archives immediately.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[HJ Mitchell]

I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval was 
more-or-less automatic...

Harry



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On 29 March 2012 21:59, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>> On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>>
>>> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
>>> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
>>> restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
>>
>> There are (public) clones of the archives
>
>And it takes all of a few seconds to subscribe and get access to the
>official ones. That's why I'm struggling to see the point of having
>them restricted.
>
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So just to confirm, if I sign up to this mailing list and click the 
confirmation email link, I'm subscribed? There's no moderation by a list admin 
or anything like that? If that's the case, then I agree that there's no point 
having a private list archive.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thomas Dalton]

On 30 March 2012 01:04, Thehelpfulone  wrote:
> So just to confirm, if I sign up to this mailing list and click the
> confirmation email link, I'm subscribed? There's no moderation by a list
> admin or anything like that? If that's the case, then I agree that there's
> no point having a private list archive.

I believe so. That's certainly how it used to be.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thehelpfulone]

On 29 March 2012 21:59, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> > On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> >>
> >> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the
> link
> >> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
> >> restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
> >
> > There are (public) clones of the archives
>
> And it takes all of a few seconds to subscribe and get access to the
> official ones. That's why I'm struggling to see the point of having
> them restricted.
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So just to confirm, if I sign up to this mailing list and click the
confirmation email link, I'm subscribed? There's no moderation by a list
admin or anything like that? If that's the case, then I agree that there's
no point having a private list archive.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [cultural-partners] Request: Volunteers & e-Volunteers for donations from The National Archives

[pkmpobox]

This might be a good place to use the "depicted person" field and template  
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Depicted_person), which I don't  
see used very often. (Is there a reason for that?)


Paula

On , Fae  wrote:

Hi,





Our friend Jo in the The National Archives has uploaded a test


photograph at  
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lt-General_Sir_Bernard_Montgomery.jpg>.





Comments or offers to help with later mass uploads and categorization



would be gratefully received. This image is one of an initial test set



of 300 original scans of never before published World War II artworks



in their collections for which we hope to encourage Wikipedia



biography articles to be created about these war time artists (as



commissioned by the Ministry of Information). Consequently help on



Wikipedia fostering that side of the collaboration is also needed.





Over the summer the idea is to publish to Wikimedia Commons something



in the order of (a multiple of) 10,000 images from the digital



collections, for the first time uploaded to the internet for the



public benefit. Experimenting with the initial test set will establish



our best practice for metadata requirements and layout.





Wikipedia Collaboration page:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/TNA/Participants>





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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thomas Dalton]

On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>
>> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
>> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
>> restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
>
> There are (public) clones of the archives

And it takes all of a few seconds to subscribe and get access to the
official ones. That's why I'm struggling to see the point of having
them restricted.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Gordon Joly]

On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the 
link in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there 
is no restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if 
so, why?

There are (public) clones of the archives

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] MAiling list

[Thomas Dalton]

There is an unsubscribe option on the page linked to at the bottom of
every email from the list.

(Perhaps the footer could be amended to specify that?)

On 29 March 2012 18:29, Kelly Plunkett  wrote:
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> Can you please take me of the mailing list
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Livetweeting the Battle of Arras (1917)

[Chris Keating]

Oh, don't worry, we do!  And we're not alone - many of the digital staff
working in various institutions are very open to this, as are some funders
of them (e.g. Europeana)


Of course the best possible sell is showing what could be done with
material once it was released... :)

On Thursday, March 29, 2012, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> I think we should make a real effort to explain the pros and cons of the
various CC licenses and what they actually mean for copyright holders and
re-users. I think many choices of licenses like NC are born out of a lack
of understanding, and people might be more receptive to CC-By-SA if they
understood it better.
> I could be wrong, but that's my general impression.
> Harry
> 
> From: Chris Keating 
> To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:49
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Livetweeting the Battle of Arras (1917)
>
> Just a note for the World War I buffs amongst you - there's quite an
interesting plan by Oxford University to crowdsource a livetweet of the
Battle of Arras. More info here:  http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/?p=253
> I'm planning to take part and other Wikimedians would be very welcome.
> You might notice that the organisers have taken a licensing approach of
putting the eventual resource they are creating from this initiative under
CC-BY-NC, but nevertheless encouraging participants to digitise their own
materials and put them on Commons. So that's 50% right ;-)
> Chris
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[Wikimediauk-l] MAiling list

[Kelly Plunkett]

Can you please take me of the mailing list

Thanks
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Livetweeting the Battle of Arras (1917)

[HJ Mitchell]

I think we should make a real effort to explain the pros and cons of the 
various CC licenses and what they actually mean for copyright holders and 
re-users. I think many choices of licenses like NC are born out of a lack of 
understanding, and people might be more receptive to CC-By-SA if they 
understood it better.

I could be wrong, but that's my general impression.

Harry



 From: Chris Keating 
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:49
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Livetweeting the Battle of Arras (1917)
 

Just a note for the World War I buffs amongst you - there's quite an 
interesting plan by Oxford University to crowdsource a livetweet of the Battle 
of Arras. More info here:  http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/?p=253

I'm planning to take part and other Wikimedians would be very welcome. 

You might notice that the organisers have taken a licensing approach of putting 
the eventual resource they are creating from this initiative under CC-BY-NC, 
but nevertheless encouraging participants to digitise their own materials and 
put them on Commons. So that's 50% right ;-)

Chris 



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[Wikimediauk-l] GLAM-WIKI conference 2012 - get involved!

[Daria Cybulska]

Dear all, 

Wikimedia UK is planning to run the GLAM-WIKI Conference on Friday 14 - 
Saturday 15 September at the British Library in London. This is a global GLAM 
conference hosted by the UK chapter. We are linking with the British Library 
with the support of other chapters and the WMF in terms of volunteer support 
and scholarships. The intention is to attract Wikimedians to share their GLAM 
related experience and professionals to address the GLAM community. The idea of 
the day will be similar to the 2010 event 
(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM-WIKI_2010). 

It would be great if you could join the discussions on how to shape the event. 
To get involved, please visit 
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM-WIKI-2012
Please have a look at the page and feel free to add your ideas! It's early 
stages of the planning and we are open to creative solutions. 

You can also get in touch with us if you have any questions - please email  
f...@wikimedia.org.uk or daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk. You can also reach 
the Wikimedia UK office on 0207 065 0990. 

Best wishes, 
Daria


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Chris Keating]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, "Chris Keating" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
> >>
> >> Where does that email address go, anyway?
> >>
> >
> > We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer.
>
> Please, stop this conversation before you get us all in trouble. You
> remember what happened last time, don't you? I couldn't sit down for a
> week...
>
Fortunately my mind seems to have been completely wiped of that memory ;-)
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thomas Dalton]

On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, "Chris Keating"  wrote:
>
>
>> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
>>
>> Where does that email address go, anyway?
>>
>
> We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer.

Please, stop this conversation before you get us all in trouble. You
remember what happened last time, don't you? I couldn't sit down for a
week...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Chris Keating]

> Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
>
> Where does that email address go, anyway?
>
>
We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer.

;-)

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[Wikimediauk-l] Livetweeting the Battle of Arras (1917)

[Chris Keating]

Just a note for the World War I buffs amongst you - there's quite an
interesting plan by Oxford University to crowdsource a livetweet of the
Battle of Arras. More info here:  http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/?p=253

I'm planning to take part and other Wikimedians would be very welcome.

You might notice that the organisers have taken a licensing approach of
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CC-BY-NC, but nevertheless encouraging participants to digitise their own
materials and put them on Commons. So that's 50% right ;-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[HJ Mitchell]

Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)

Where does that email address go, anyway?

Harry



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Cc: ca...@wikimedia.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 17:37
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
 

Oh, Harry - everyone knows that there is no cabal! (ignore the CC)

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On 29/03/2012 17:23, HJ Mitchell wrote: 
I actually quite like this way - I think it's more conducive to frank exchange 
of views, a lot of people here connect their usernames to their real names, and 
anybody who's really interested in WMUK can subscribe.
>
>
>Of course, it means we should try to avoid discussions that should be had on 
>Wikipedia, lest we appear like a cabal (the Eastern European Mailing List 
>comes to mind...).
>
>
>Harry 
>
>
>
>
> From: David Gerard 
>To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41
>Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
> 
>On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae  wrote:
>
>> It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an
explanation up I can
>> post something about this next week when I'm not
traveling.
>
>
>That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public
Wikimedia
>lists have public archives.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Richard Symonds]

Oh, Harry - everyone knows that there is no cabal! (ignore the CC)

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Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
its contents.


On 29/03/2012 17:23, HJ Mitchell wrote:
I actually quite like this way - I think it's more conducive to frank 
exchange of views, a lot of people here connect their usernames to 
their real names, and anybody who's really interested in WMUK can 
subscribe.


Of course, it means we should try to avoid discussions that should be 
had on Wikipedia, lest we appear like a cabal (the Eastern European 
Mailing List comes to mind...).


Harry


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*Sent:* Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae > wrote:


> It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
> post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.


That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public Wikimedia
lists have public archives.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[HJ Mitchell]

I actually quite like this way - I think it's more conducive to frank exchange 
of views, a lot of people here connect their usernames to their real names, and 
anybody who's really interested in WMUK can subscribe.

Of course, it means we should try to avoid discussions that should be had on 
Wikipedia, lest we appear like a cabal (the Eastern European Mailing List comes 
to mind...).

Harry 



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To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
 
On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae  wrote:

> It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
> post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.


That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public Wikimedia
lists have public archives.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[David Gerard]

On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae  wrote:

> It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
> post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.


That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public Wikimedia
lists have public archives.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Fae]

It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[David Gerard]

On 29 March 2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
> in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
> restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?


Shouldn't be, I'd have thought.

The only reason I can think of is that few months ago we had a
confidential message accidentally sent to the list - but if that's
been removed from the archive (which requires someone with server
access actually removing it, listadmins can't) then opening it up
would be fine.


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[Wikimediauk-l] List archives

[Thomas Dalton]

I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
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[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK Annual Conference 2012 - registration / talks submissions

[Daria Cybulska]

Dear All, Wikimedia UK is running its Annual Conference on Saturday 12 May 2012  at the Science Museum in London.(http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2012) I am pleased to say that the registration for the conference is now open. If you would like to attend, please register your place at:http://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/index.php?option=com_civicrm&task=civicrm/event/register&reset=1&id=4&cid=0 There are also slots available if you would like to deliver a talk on the day. To make your submission official, please fill in a form on a page below:http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2012/Talk_SubmissionsIf you have noted your interest on the WikiConference UK 2012 page (or the talk page), filling in the form is the best way to make your talk submission official. The deadline for talk submission is 1 May 2012. If you have any questions at all please do not hesitate to contact Richard Symonds , or call our office at 0207 065 0991. We are also looking for volunteers happy to support our event. In particular:a photographer who would be happy to document the AGM, and also take individual photos of the Trustees and Wikimedia UK staffsomebody happy to help at the registration desk/cloakroomIf you are interested in helping out or finding out more please feel free to register your interest at the event's discussion page, or drop me an email on daria.cybulskawikimedia.org.ukKind regards, Daria-- Daria CybulskaEvents OrganiserWikimedia UK+44 (0) 207 065 0994-- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable CompanyRegistered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor, Development House,  56-64 Leonard Street,London EC2A 4LT.Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operateWikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profitorganization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility forits contents.___
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[steve virgin]

 

Not strictly accurate - *we want to become* fully involved with this group.
But are not formally yet 

 

See earlier mail from me about 10 mins ago for full explanation

 

Steve

 

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[mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Roger Bamkin
Sent: 29 March 2012 12:27
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

 

I've been involved a bit with the CREWE page and supporting Steve Virgin
with this. We are VERY involved with this group. There have been several
meetings and we are intending to see if we can find a speaker for the AGM

Roger

On 29 March 2012 11:07, Thomas Morton  wrote:

Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
involved. 

 

I will reach out to him - it is on my list :)

 

May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!

 

In the middle! :)

 

This would likely have to be on a week day anyway (at least from what I have
gathered so far), which makes it a lot less likely to clash with anything
(although a lot less convenient for Wikipedians, possibly).

 

It may end up getting pushed later though, depends how fast things move.

 


As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
available for open publication yet.

 

Sounds interesting; I'd certainly be interested to hear Steve's thoughts (he
did express support I think, when I first mentioned this, but not heard
anything since - so I presumed to take an initiative... ;))

 

Personally I am not adverse to heading outside London. In my initial
discussions, though, the suggestion was the outside London attendance was
unlikely to be as good.

 


PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
challenge.

 

Agreed; a slick session would be great.

 

Tom 


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR Industry - initial contact

[steve virgin]

Hi All

 

The Chartered Institute of Public Relations has offered Wikipedia training
slot(s) at their own 'Summer School' that it runs for the PR industry. CIPR
is a training-driven organisation. It also sanctions members that infringe
Best Practice rules in terms of PR. Its desire is to 'get hold of' the issue
of poor ethical editing of Wikipedia and work with us to slowly 'win our
trust' and 'educate its own members in best practice over time.' It is
talking to its members internally about 'Principles' and 'Good Practice
Standards' now and *may* have an initial discussion document ready for the
Wikimedia UK Board meeting on April 21st in Monmouth. If it does, and the
Board finds it acceptable, I have suggested to the PRCA/CIPR that they put
forward that document and their desire to work with us in a talk at the AGM
in front of all community members. Assuming we can get a consensus - this
would lead to opportunities for members to run the summer school training
programmes. But there is no commitment beyond the Science Museum AGM meeting
in May on our part.

 

The Public Relations Consultancy Association (a sister group) is also
interested in a similar arrangement. Though nothing specific has been
discussed, they recognise they have a *longer journey to make* as they have
most of the PR Agencies and their members on its books. This is where the
commercial interest/conflict of interest problem kicks in. They are seeking
ways to develop a training program in a way outlined above. And would work
with the CIPR as *a single entity* in the arrangement mentioned above. 

 

In addition, both bodies are keen on pulling together a single document that
scours and collects all Wikipedia editing policies, guides to Best Practice,
How to Do edit, What to Do, What Not to do etc (anything that could help
them begin to structure a guide that PR industry members could be 'taught'
formally by their industry body (CIPR). They also have a range of ideas on
what the PR industry thinks would work and would not. In meetings with both
bodies I stressed this is a slow process. It is about winning trust on both
sides. And it won't be sorted out quickly. 

 

However, a positive discussion has begun. And both bodies are looking for
ways in which they can encourage their own members to work with us in some
small way and, in so doing, learn more about what we do and how we do it.
They think better understanding and 'doing editing' will help the industry
begin to learn how to edit Wikipedia properly and what is Best Practice.
Some PRCA/CIPR members may be stepping forward to lend a hand in promoting
our work in Monmouthpedia, a project which I commend to you all and
recommend you read up on.  

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA (the project)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Public_Relations
(Key messages for the press)

 

http://monmouthpedia.wordpress.com/ (this latter is only a potential press
content site under development)

 

 

 

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[mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
Morton
Sent: 29 March 2012 10:34
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

 

Hey all,

 

Some of you may be aware of the CREWE Facebook group
 ; which is a group of PR
types interested in opening a dialogue with Wikipedia over the current
issues of COI and paid editing. There has been interest in having a session
for CREWE members to meet some Wikipedians, discuss the issues, and learn
about Wikipedia (and hopefully we could learn something too).

 

The idea is very early stage at the moment; guaging interest from both
communities. I sent an email to Daria last night to see if the WMUK office
could assist. 

 

But what sort of interest is there within the rest of the Chapter?

 

We are aiming for around May - probably a small group of representatives,
presentations from us and them, a Q&A/round table and probably a practical
session.

 

- Are there any dates in May to avoid?

 

- Anyone interested in attending/engaging?

 

- Venue ideas?

 

- Format ideas?

 

- Anything else I missed?

 

I'd love to have a broad spectrum of editors involved - perhaps 5 or so
(we're likely to have ~20 from CREWE) - so we can have a proper discussion.
I know even within the community there is disagreement on some of the
issues, and representing all of those (constructively) would be good.

 

Cheers,

Tom

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] % year plan

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If only I were that cl£v£r!
Quoting Deryck Chan :


I was wishfully suspecting that the % was a printf format string which
means "[insert your preferred number of years] year plan"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf_format_string

Deryck

On 29 March 2012 19:06, Jon Davies  wrote:


Whoops a 5 year plan not a %!!!



Quoting Jon Davies :

 Great comments so far - keep them coming.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Thomas Morton]

Ah! I hadn't seen anything so I revisited my original idea, sorry! No one
mentioned existing contact so I assumed no one had got that far yet :)

Thanks Roger.

Tom

On 29 March 2012 12:26, Roger Bamkin  wrote:

> I've been involved a bit with the CREWE page and supporting Steve Virgin
> with this. We are VERY involved with this group. There have been several
> meetings and we are intending to see if we can find a speaker for the AGM
>
> Roger
>
> On 29 March 2012 11:07, Thomas Morton wrote:
>
>> Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
>>> involved.
>>
>>
>> I will reach out to him - it is on my list :)
>>
>> May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!
>>>
>>
>> In the middle! :)
>>
>> This would likely have to be on a week day anyway (at least from what I
>> have gathered so far), which makes it a lot less likely to clash with
>> anything (although a lot less convenient for Wikipedians, possibly).
>>
>> It may end up getting pushed later though, depends how fast things move.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
>>> a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
>>> could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
>>> Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
>>> has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
>>> will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
>>> available for open publication yet.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds interesting; I'd certainly be interested to hear Steve's thoughts
>> (he did express support I think, when I first mentioned this, but not heard
>> anything since - so I presumed to take an initiative... ;))
>>
>> Personally I am not adverse to heading outside London. In my initial
>> discussions, though, the suggestion was the outside London attendance was
>> unlikely to be as good.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
>>> well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed; a slick session would be great.
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Roger Bamkin]

I've been involved a bit with the CREWE page and supporting Steve Virgin
with this. We are VERY involved with this group. There have been several
meetings and we are intending to see if we can find a speaker for the AGM

Roger

On 29 March 2012 11:07, Thomas Morton  wrote:

> Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
>> involved.
>
>
> I will reach out to him - it is on my list :)
>
> May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!
>>
>
> In the middle! :)
>
> This would likely have to be on a week day anyway (at least from what I
> have gathered so far), which makes it a lot less likely to clash with
> anything (although a lot less convenient for Wikipedians, possibly).
>
> It may end up getting pushed later though, depends how fast things move.
>
>
>>
>> As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
>> a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
>> could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
>> Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
>> has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
>> will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
>> available for open publication yet.
>>
>
> Sounds interesting; I'd certainly be interested to hear Steve's thoughts
> (he did express support I think, when I first mentioned this, but not heard
> anything since - so I presumed to take an initiative... ;))
>
> Personally I am not adverse to heading outside London. In my initial
> discussions, though, the suggestion was the outside London attendance was
> unlikely to be as good.
>
>
>>
>> PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
>> well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
>> challenge.
>>
>
> Agreed; a slick session would be great.
>
> Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] % year plan

[Deryck Chan]

I was wishfully suspecting that the % was a printf format string which
means "[insert your preferred number of years] year plan"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf_format_string

Deryck

On 29 March 2012 19:06, Jon Davies  wrote:

> Whoops a 5 year plan not a %!!!
>
>
>
> Quoting Jon Davies :
>
>  Great comments so far - keep them coming.
>>
>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Talk:Draft_2012_Five_Year_**
>> Plan#Filceolaire.27s_comments
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Stevie Benton]

This sounds really interesting. Please let me know if there's anything I 
can do from the office perspective to support this. I'm also happy to 
come along if I can be of use.


Stevie

On 29/03/2012 11:07, Thomas Morton wrote:


Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
involved. 



I will reach out to him - it is on my list :)

May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!


In the middle! :)

This would likely have to be on a week day anyway (at least from what 
I have gathered so far), which makes it a lot less likely to clash 
with anything (although a lot less convenient for Wikipedians, possibly).


It may end up getting pushed later though, depends how fast things move.


As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
available for open publication yet.


Sounds interesting; I'd certainly be interested to hear Steve's 
thoughts (he did express support I think, when I first mentioned this, 
but not heard anything since - so I presumed to take an initiative... ;))


Personally I am not adverse to heading outside London. In my initial 
discussions, though, the suggestion was the outside London attendance 
was unlikely to be as good.



PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
challenge.


Agreed; a slick session would be great.

Tom


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[Wikimediauk-l] % year plan

[Jon Davies]

Whoops a 5 year plan not a %!!!


Quoting Jon Davies :


Great comments so far - keep them coming.

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Draft_2012_Five_Year_Plan#Filceolaire.27s_comments

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[Wikimediauk-l] % year plan

[Jon Davies]

Great comments so far - keep them coming.

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Draft_2012_Five_Year_Plan#Filceolaire.27s_comments

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Thomas Morton]

>
> Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
> involved.


I will reach out to him - it is on my list :)

May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!
>

In the middle! :)

This would likely have to be on a week day anyway (at least from what I
have gathered so far), which makes it a lot less likely to clash with
anything (although a lot less convenient for Wikipedians, possibly).

It may end up getting pushed later though, depends how fast things move.


>
> As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
> a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
> could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
> Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
> has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
> will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
> available for open publication yet.
>

Sounds interesting; I'd certainly be interested to hear Steve's thoughts
(he did express support I think, when I first mentioned this, but not heard
anything since - so I presumed to take an initiative... ;))

Personally I am not adverse to heading outside London. In my initial
discussions, though, the suggestion was the outside London attendance was
unlikely to be as good.


>
> PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
> well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
> challenge.
>

Agreed; a slick session would be great.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[David Gerard]

On 29 March 2012 10:58, Fae  wrote:

> Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
> involved. Though my "file" for the chapter is mainly GLAM, I do
> (apparently) cover governance and I am personally very interested in
> ensuring that the outreach initiative that Jimbo started has a
> positive practical outcome. If we can establish good working practices
> with the PR sector, this will make other commercial sectors seem a
> doddle. ;-)


I posted about this on my blog:

http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2012/03/29/the-public-relations-agency-problem/

This comes from popping into WMUK to meet Stevie. We discussed this issue.

Not everyone agrees with what I wrote there, e.g. Thomas Morton :-) So
it's something we need a broad swathe of input concerning.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Fae]

Steve Virgin has been doing a lot of work in this area and should be
involved. Though my "file" for the chapter is mainly GLAM, I do
(apparently) cover governance and I am personally very interested in
ensuring that the outreach initiative that Jimbo started has a
positive practical outcome. If we can establish good working practices
with the PR sector, this will make other commercial sectors seem a
doddle. ;-)

May is full of AGM - so give those dates a wide berth!

As for venue, I'm sure our PR friends will be able to fund or provide
a venue; I suggest we are open to venues outside of London and this
could be a chance to show off our progress in Wales (or alternatively
Bristol) and discuss that as a good news partnership case study. Steve
has been working on some plans with that in mind, which I am sure he
will be happy to share with you on request, though they may not be
available for open publication yet.

PS costs of travel or venue are not an issue for this one; doing it
well, sustainably and being seen to do the right thing are a
challenge.

Cheers,
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[Wikimediauk-l] CREWE session in May

[Thomas Morton]

Hey all,

Some of you may be aware of the CREWE Facebook
group;
which is a group of PR types interested in opening a dialogue with
Wikipedia over the current issues of COI and paid editing. There has been
interest in having a session for CREWE members to meet some Wikipedians,
discuss the issues, and learn about Wikipedia (and hopefully we could learn
something too).

The idea is very early stage at the moment; guaging interest from both
communities. I sent an email to Daria last night to see if the WMUK office
could assist.

But what sort of interest is there within the rest of the Chapter?

We are aiming for around May - probably a small group of representatives,
presentations from us and them, a Q&A/round table and probably a practical
session.

- Are there any dates in May to avoid?

- Anyone interested in attending/engaging?

- Venue ideas?

- Format ideas?

- Anything else I missed?

I'd love to have a broad spectrum of editors involved - perhaps 5 or so
(we're likely to have ~20 from CREWE) - so we can have a proper discussion.
I know even within the community there is disagreement on some of the
issues, and representing all of those (constructively) would be good.

Cheers,
Tom
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft five year plan

[Jon Davies]

At least you can say it with flowers.

Quoting James Farrar :


Ugh, margarine :)
On Mar 28, 2012 10:41 PM, "Thomas Morton" 
wrote:


Flora!

:)

On 28 March 2012 22:35,  wrote:


**
Fora for me too!

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On 28 March 2012 22:07, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 20:40, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>
>> It gets very confusing when we have conversations split over multiple
>> fora.
>>
> Forums?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fora

Apparently "forums" is preferred, but evidently not by me!

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