[Wikimediauk-l] UK press corps - do we have editors on hand?

[David Gerard]

I suspect we need to build up the UK press corps again. The call comes
maybe every 1-2 years, but when it happens we need people. So if you see an
email come by, you can *SPRING* into action and represent editors on the
BBC ...

Last night's Newsnight didnt happen, because the Daily Mail bottled it.
Possibly because Alastair Campbell offered to speak up on our behalf, ahem.
I'm regretting I couldn't make it now ...

So! Who thinks they could do well off the cuff about the view of Wikipedia
editors? I think Lucy would like all your names :-)


- d.
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[Wikimediauk-l] The Chaterhouse.

[Gordon Joly]

FYI,

http://www.thecharterhouse.org/

A new museum in London. In partnership with the Museum of London.

Gordo

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

[Chris Keating]

Wait, what? Until 2014 the Mail was including material that was solely
sourced to Wikipedia??

Seriously???

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Gordon Joly  wrote:

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> A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to
> laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail
> banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014
> because of its unreliability.
>
> **
>
> Source: Guardian Online.
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> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/
> wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
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> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 139, Issue 17

[Jon Davies]

://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/
> wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
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> Gordo
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> From: Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk>
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs
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> Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I was
> nearly crying by the end of the call!
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> On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > **
> > A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to
> > laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail
> > banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014
> > because of its unreliability.
> >
> > **
> >
> > Source: Guardian Online.
> >
> > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/
> > wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
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> > Gordo
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> Lucy Crompton-Reid
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> Chief Executive
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> Wikimedia UK
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> +44 (0) 207 065 0991
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> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
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> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
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> Hello WhereDevilsDare! I would love to discuss this with you and any other
> Wikimedians in the UK who might be interested.
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> John Lubbock
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> On 9 February 2017 at 04:17, Where Devels Dare <
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> > I am an inactive volunteer (at present and been so for a while now),
> > chanced upon this thread. In the past one of the projects I worked upon
> and
> > was hoping would see light of day, some day, was release of thousands of
> > India related images by the British Library under a free license. These
> > images are part of our Indian national heritage and are of educational
> and
> > cultural importance. They are from the 17th to the 20th century and
> include
> > oil paintings, murals, portraits, photographs etc.
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> > In 2014 I was in London for Wikimania, with the help of Jon Davies (then
> > ED), Jonathan Cardy and Andrew Gray we had a meeting at BL and there was
> a
> > serious effort to make this a reality but it was just about the time
> other
> > things took precedence in personally for me and Wikimedia went on the
> > back-burner. I attempted to revive talks on my visit to London last
> summer,
> > in vein.
> >
> >
> > If anyone is willing to take this up, I would be most happy to share all
> > the correspondence and minutes of meetings from the past (offlist) as
> well
> > as try to put them in touch with BL (though WMUK might be better at the
> > latter) and try to help out where possible, though I have severe time
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

[John Lubbock]

The irony is that the Mail fails to understand that they are in line with
Wikipedia's own policy, which states that it does not use other Wikipedia
pages as a source:

‘Wikipedia articles (and Wikipedia mirrors) are not reliable sources for
any purpose (except as sources on themselves per WP:SELFSOURCE
). Because Wikipedia
forbids original research, there is nothing reliable in it that is not
citable with something else.’

So yeah, we don't use Wikipedia as a 'sole source' either, because it's not
a primary or secondary source.

John

On 10 February 2017 at 09:58, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I
> was nearly crying by the end of the call!
>
> On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>> A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to
>> laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail
>> banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014
>> because of its unreliability.
>>
>> **
>>
>> Source: Guardian Online.
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia
>> -bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
>>
>> Gordo
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> Wikimedia UK
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> +44 (0) 207 065 0991
>
>
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
>
> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The
> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent
> non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility
> for its contents.*
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