Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 109, Issue 13
Thanks for this. Is it possible to pay in person, for example at the stall? Best, lodewijk On Aug 8, 2014 9:26 AM, mccapra alastair mcca...@ntlworld.com wrote: VOTING AT THE AGM Yesterday a number of concerns were raised about expired membership and voting at the AGM. Evidently this year a number of people’s memberships have expired without their realising. We adopted a new procedure this year on AGM voting in response to concerns about security, and sent out voting forms in the post. It was obviously not clear to everyone that they needed the form posted to them in order to vote. After Wikimania I’ll start a discussion on the wiki about whether we should continue to post voting forms in future years – unless anyone else wants to start it sooner. As far as voting at this year’s AGM is concerned the Board has asked me to say the following: 1. 1. If you are a member and for any reason have not received/forgotten to bring your voting paper, you can ask for a new voting paper shortly before the AGM. Papers will be available for any member who needs them. There will be a check to confirm that your membership is current. 2. 2. As in previous years, it will be possible for applications for membership to be considered in advance of the AGM, and for the Board to have oversight when it holds a meeting just before the AGM. If you have come to Wikimania believing that you are a member and just discovered that you aren’t any more, and you want to rejoin and vote: you can apply to rejoin up to noon tomorrow using the online form at https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1id=4 If you are readmitted you will be given voting papers and may vote. Apologies for any difficulty caused this year. I hope this answers the concerns raised. Thanks Alastair McCapra WMUK Secretary On 7 August 2014 14:05, wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Send Wikimediauk-l mailing list submissions to wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wikimediauk-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Editathon 2pm 12th August (WereSpielChequers) 2. Re: AGM (Richard Symonds) 3. Re: AGM (Andy Mabbett) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:31:18 +0100 From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com To: Wikimania general list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wiki UK list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Editathon 2pm 12th August Message-ID: 21feb39b-d296-4967-8fd8-b29d4157f...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all, You are invited to an Editathon at the Zoological Society of London on Tuesday afternoon next week. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ZSL_London_Zoo_Library_editathon_12_August_2014 regards Jonathan Cardy Wikimedia UK -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/attachments/20140807/c5f8ccdd/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:41:30 +0100 From: Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk To: Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM Message-ID: CACHSVDynUOTEt4UqETdUBk=Xktde= diugi7gya2xmsmreoc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We're discussing solutions at the moment all. Will keep you all up to date. On 7 Aug 2014 12:51, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: A notice about your membership status has been automatically included at the bottom of every newsletter sent out by WMUK in the past 12 months at least. For example the last one I have saved said: Date of end of membership term: 2015-10-02 | Your Membership Status: Current (I will check that as I think it should say 2014) Jon has already indicated that moving forwards specific emails about membership expiry will be sent as soon as the technology allows. [please note this message is sent in a person capacity, but my personal email account is down currently] On 7 August 2014 12:26, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: I must say that it is odd that if there is realization that a whole bunch of memberships is about to lapse, nobody sends (even manually) a bunch of reminders out... 2014-08-07 12:10 GMT+01:00 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk: The old system of an alert at the bottom
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
Just out of interest, was anything crucial sent out via post? I know WMDE sends out the voting ballots that way, so making sure I'm not amiss :) Thanks for resending! Btw, I searched for emails from members...@wikimedia.org.uk - didn't receive emails from tellers@ since last year. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 9:44 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: Most of what was sent out by post isn't on the wiki... Thanks, Mike On 7 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And of course everything is on the wiki https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2014_Annual_General_Meeting On 7 August 2014 08:24, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have you checked your spam folders? Its not a bad idea for everyone to add @wikimedia.org.uk to your whitelist to make sure these emails go to your inbox. On 7 Aug 2014 08:13, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lodewijk, I think you're not the only one, I haven't received any of the four either. Dhaval On 7 Aug 2014 00:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Might it be that for some reason I did not receive those? I do remember seeing email a while ago (checked: 27 June), when things were preliminary etc, but don't recall anything recent with the final agenda etc? And definitely not four. And don't recall a post package either (but living outside the UK that might be an exception). If you could send me the dates/topics/sender I could check my archives and spam though. Anyway, if it was just me then too bad of course. Apologies if for some reason I overlooked. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 0:02 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk: Hi Lodewijk, I've sent four emails and a pack in the post... On 7 Aug 2014 00:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, I was doubting if it would be worth to miss other sessions (one of which facilitated by me) to join the WMUK agm this weekend, but I couldn't find an email announcing the final agenda with prepared motions etc. I was curious, is such an announcement towards the membership forthcoming, or did I miss something? I know it is probably somewhere on the wiki, but this kind of information would by me be very much appreciated in a push format rather than pull :) Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
Confusion solved, it seems WMUK lapsed my membership without notification. So I didn't receive notices as I'm apparently no longer a member. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 10:13 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk : Yes - ballot papers with a unique id code, to guard against fraud. This was raised as a potential concern by members in the last year. I have to work out how those who haven't recieved it can vote. Will take some time :-) On 7 Aug 2014 10:10, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Just out of interest, was anything crucial sent out via post? I know WMDE sends out the voting ballots that way, so making sure I'm not amiss :) Thanks for resending! Btw, I searched for emails from members...@wikimedia.org.uk - didn't receive emails from tellers@ since last year. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 9:44 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: Most of what was sent out by post isn't on the wiki... Thanks, Mike On 7 Aug 2014, at 08:27, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And of course everything is on the wiki https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/2014_Annual_General_Meeting On 7 August 2014 08:24, Chris McKenna chris.mcke...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Have you checked your spam folders? Its not a bad idea for everyone to add @wikimedia.org.uk to your whitelist to make sure these emails go to your inbox. On 7 Aug 2014 08:13, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lodewijk, I think you're not the only one, I haven't received any of the four either. Dhaval On 7 Aug 2014 00:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Might it be that for some reason I did not receive those? I do remember seeing email a while ago (checked: 27 June), when things were preliminary etc, but don't recall anything recent with the final agenda etc? And definitely not four. And don't recall a post package either (but living outside the UK that might be an exception). If you could send me the dates/topics/sender I could check my archives and spam though. Anyway, if it was just me then too bad of course. Apologies if for some reason I overlooked. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 0:02 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk: Hi Lodewijk, I've sent four emails and a pack in the post... On 7 Aug 2014 00:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, I was doubting if it would be worth to miss other sessions (one of which facilitated by me) to join the WMUK agm this weekend, but I couldn't find an email announcing the final agenda with prepared motions etc. I was curious, is such an announcement towards the membership forthcoming, or did I miss something? I know it is probably somewhere on the wiki, but this kind of information would by me be very much appreciated in a push format rather than pull :) Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
I must say that it is odd that if there is realization that a whole bunch of memberships is about to lapse, nobody sends (even manually) a bunch of reminders out... 2014-08-07 12:10 GMT+01:00 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk: The old system of an alert at the bottom of the monthly newsletter was *not fit for purpose.* We will now have a much better system with our new database that w will send proper direct email reminders. Jon. On 7 August 2014 12:07, Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 August 2014 11:57, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Confusion solved, it seems WMUK lapsed my membership without notification. So I didn't receive notices as I'm apparently no longer a member. That's exactly what happened to me. I would have renewed my WMUK membership if I had been reminded, but I wasn't and so I am not eligible to vote this time. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
Please note that the board of trustees had the option to rectify this rather easily, even last minute, as they have the right to waive membership fees for individual members: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Membership/Rules Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 12:26 GMT+01:00 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: On 07/08/14 12:10, Jon Davies wrote: The old system of an alert at the bottom of the monthly newsletter was *not fit for purpose.* We will now have a much better system with our new database that w will send proper direct email reminders. Jon. I believe that the membership of any charity is its most precious asset. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
[Wikimediauk-l] AGM
Hi, I was doubting if it would be worth to miss other sessions (one of which facilitated by me) to join the WMUK agm this weekend, but I couldn't find an email announcing the final agenda with prepared motions etc. I was curious, is such an announcement towards the membership forthcoming, or did I miss something? I know it is probably somewhere on the wiki, but this kind of information would by me be very much appreciated in a push format rather than pull :) Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM
Might it be that for some reason I did not receive those? I do remember seeing email a while ago (checked: 27 June), when things were preliminary etc, but don't recall anything recent with the final agenda etc? And definitely not four. And don't recall a post package either (but living outside the UK that might be an exception). If you could send me the dates/topics/sender I could check my archives and spam though. Anyway, if it was just me then too bad of course. Apologies if for some reason I overlooked. Best, Lodewijk 2014-08-07 0:02 GMT+01:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk : Hi Lodewijk, I've sent four emails and a pack in the post... On 7 Aug 2014 00:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, I was doubting if it would be worth to miss other sessions (one of which facilitated by me) to join the WMUK agm this weekend, but I couldn't find an email announcing the final agenda with prepared motions etc. I was curious, is such an announcement towards the membership forthcoming, or did I miss something? I know it is probably somewhere on the wiki, but this kind of information would by me be very much appreciated in a push format rather than pull :) Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More Wiki Takes … events in September for WLM ?
Hi Jonathan, to avoid duplication, could you take a look at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Organizing_a_Wiki_takes and see if that is what you're looking for? If you're missing something, perhaps that could be improved, and other countries could use that as well. Thanks! Lodewijk 2013/8/27 Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk Hi Harry, Do you think you could write a checklist/guide for organising such events? That might make it more attractive for others to do this, and maybe prompt some volunteers. Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 23 August 2013 12:58, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: I'm happy to help with logistics if anybody is interested but put off by lack of time or experience. Also, registration for Chester is still open, please see http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester. Thanks, Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell -- *From:* Richard Nevell richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk *To:* WMUK Office mailing list off...@wikimedia.org.uk *Cc:* UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Friday, 23 August 2013, 12:50 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More Wiki Takes … events in September for WLM ? It would certainly be nice to have another one to bookend the competition. I approached User:Hassocks... to see if he was interested in organising one in Sussex, but he's away for most of September. Somewhere outside London might be nice, ideally urban and historic so that there are enough listed buildings clustered in one place. And of course a volunteer. We could perhaps ask Rod Ward, but his neck of the woods is pretty well covered and he's put in a lot of hard work getting the lists into shape. Clem Rutter is based in Rochester, but I don't know if he has experience of organising events. Mark MacDonald is based at Lancaster University. Perhaps we could ask if he could get students involved in a Wiki Takes... event? On 23 August 2013 12:42, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Harry Mitchell is running a Wiki Takes Chester event on 7th September. ( http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester) Is anyone able to run another local event in September that could pull people in to the Wiki Loves Monuments competition? Michael See: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/ ___ Office mailing list off...@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/office -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] wikimediauk-l messages ending up in Gmail spam?
I got the same problem for several Wikimedia related email lists, especially Wiki Loves Monuments emails by people from Asia/Africa. Not with this particular mailing list though. Lodewijk 2013/6/3 Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com Not with my Gmail. in:spam wikimedia doesn't return anything related to WMUK (all of those are spam ads to the Wikimania team). On 3 June 2013 17:16, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing a lot of WMUK messages ending up in GMail spam of late. Anyone else seeing this? (Assuming this message doesn't ahahahaha do the same.) Any idea what's causing this? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Love Monuments 2013
Hi all, if you have any questions about the concept, or specific ideas, feel also free to tackle me this weekend - I'll be there all weekend in London during GLAM-wiki. Best, Lodewijk 2013/4/10 Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk Hi all, It's that time of the year when planning for Wiki Loves Monuments picks up for those countries interested in taking part. In both 2011 2012, there were discussions about the UK taking part, but for various reasons it never ends up happening. I would really like to see it happen this year, and to that end have started the associated page on Wikimedia Commons. For those who don't k now, Wiki Loves Monuments is an annual photography competition running in September around cultural heritage monuments, which in the UK has in the past taken to mean listed buildings. Participants upload their photos to Wikimedia Commons, identifying it the subject of the photo to be one of the qualifying monuments with the best photos nationally and internationally winning prizes. If you are interested in joining a working group to help with the organisation, even just a little bit when you have time, please sign up on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom. I would plan to have a phone conference in the near future to discuss what needs to be done, when it needs to be done by, who might be interested in doing it etc. Regards, Katie -- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534 Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] EGM resolution regarding the change in board structure - alternatives
Hi all, on this talk pagehttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:EGM_2013/Resolutions#Alternatives_to_Resolution_regarding_the_composition_of_the_board I have asked some questions regarding the goals and purpose of the resolution proposed, and what problem exactly it is trying to solve. I also tried to understand better what alternatives have been investigated (personally I find the proposed solution a bit strong as a first thought, so I am assuming less far reaching alternatives were seriously given consideration to solve the same problem). I may have missed part of the discussions, so would appreciate any help in filling the gaps in reasoning at that page. Also a more technical question: would it still be possible to pass alternative resolutions (for example, were the board-proposed resolution to be rejected)? Or has the term for that been passed and would you have to wait until the next General Meeting for that? Apologies that I didn't ask these questions in a much earlier stage - I do hope and assume someone else did and the answer can simply be copy pasted. Placing the answers on the linked talk page would be most helpful (rather than starting off a discussion here). Kind regards, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] EGM resolution regarding the change in board structure - alternatives
Thanks for the clarification on that. 2013/4/9 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk I'm speaking as an EGM teller here: [W]ould it still be possible to pass alternative resolutions (for example, were the board-proposed resolution to be rejected)? Or has the term for that been passed and would you have to wait until the next General Meeting for that? It's not possible to pass alternative resolutions at the EGM unfortunately. Any new resolutions would have to be tabled at the AGM in June 2013. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 9 April 2013 17:38, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi all, on this talk pagehttp://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:EGM_2013/Resolutions#Alternatives_to_Resolution_regarding_the_composition_of_the_board I have asked some questions regarding the goals and purpose of the resolution proposed, and what problem exactly it is trying to solve. I also tried to understand better what alternatives have been investigated (personally I find the proposed solution a bit strong as a first thought, so I am assuming less far reaching alternatives were seriously given consideration to solve the same problem). I may have missed part of the discussions, so would appreciate any help in filling the gaps in reasoning at that page. Also a more technical question: would it still be possible to pass alternative resolutions (for example, were the board-proposed resolution to be rejected)? Or has the term for that been passed and would you have to wait until the next General Meeting for that? Apologies that I didn't ask these questions in a much earlier stage - I do hope and assume someone else did and the answer can simply be copy pasted. Placing the answers on the linked talk page would be most helpful (rather than starting off a discussion here). Kind regards, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period
I think this is already possible :) I actually paid for two years at once, because that was the amount of pounds I happened to have left over - not sure if people will get mad at me now if I make their lives more complicated, but asking nicely brings you a long way! :) Lodewijk 2013/2/7 Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org One suggestion: allow members to sign up for multiple years in advance. I'm perfectly happy to pay for two or three years of membership in one go. There may be some practical issues, such as whether or not if one were to, say, sign up for a three year membership but resign after a year, the remainder would be refunded as unused. If it were offered, I'd certainly be happy to pay for a few years in advance so that I don't have the mildly irritating situation of wanting to run some kind of outreach event and not being able to apply for a microgrant because my membership has lapsed. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
If the UK would be participating in Wiki Loves Monuments this year, would that be an angle to search a keynote? (national or European) I doubt someone from the international team would qualify as a ''keynote'' (maybe regular though?) but someone from Heritage England or even one of the European umbrella organizations (Europa Nostra, Europeana) could do something? Just a thought, Lodewijk 2013/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk AGM 8th of June with more activities on the 9th. On 15 January 2013 11:21, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: date? On Jan 15, 2013 11:19 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Morning Everyone, As you might know, the 2013 conference will be in Lincoln, organised by the Conference Committee with support from the office. With the venue chosen, we now need to figure out an exciting programme. A lot of this is in the planning stage and we will be releasing more information later, however one of the first thing we need to do is figure out some keynote speakers. Later in the year we will be calling for papers and speakers from within the community, right now we are focusing on finding one or two big names who have something relevant to say. As this is your concert we need to know who you want to hear from! It could be anyone; from celerities, to politicians, to activists. We're looking for intriguing suggestions, people with a unique perspective. Some initial suggestions have been made, please please do suggest further ideas here on the mailing list, by emailing myself or posting on this page: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_UK_2013/Speakers Regards, Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Monuments
Also in the jury report we tried to bring it as neutral as possible. Please note that this picture also scored very high in the Argentine competition. The criterium is by the way not on which country's territory the monument is located, but strictly speaking the criterium is which country recognized it as a monument. Most of the time there's a 100% overlap in that, but not always. Anyway, fully agree with David that it *shouldn't* be a problem, but I'm not quite familiar with UK media. Best, Lodewijk 2012/12/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com On 3 December 2012 21:32, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote: Just saw the results of the Wiki Loves Monuments and the photos are stunning. One of them however is of an Argentinian war grave in the Falklands but the description could be interpreted as claiming the Malvinas are Argentinian. Better get a spokesman lined up with a suitable statement. I'll worry about it as and when they call. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cementerio_Argentino_de_Puerto_Darwin.jpg I've just added an English description (that says Falkland Islands) as well as the Spanish one (that says Islas Malvinas). It's a stunning photo of a military cemetery, and no newspaper would run a story without the picture - which will make it obvious that the picture got a placing because it's a great picture. If we can't position this one as an example of Wikipedia's neutrality, we're just not trying. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikipedian in Residence: Staffordshire Archive Heritage Service
Hi Andy, thanks a lot for the announcement. Please forgive me the lazy and perhaps silly question, but what exactly does ' heritage service' in this context refer to? I'm not looking for an elaborate definition, but rather whether it is primarily physical stored heritage (small objects), buildings or intangible heritage. Thanks, Lodewijk 2012/10/31 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk [note cross-posting] I am pleased to share with you the news that I shall be Wikipedian in Residence with Staffordshire Archive Heritage Service, here in the English Midlands, from mid-November (part-time). This is a pilot project. I will be working with number of Staffordshire museums, to increase staff awareness of Wikipedia, train them to edit, and make recommendations for future public engagement (e.g. editathons), as well as planning a larger project to follow. I shall create a Wikipedia project page once I am in post. Naturally, I hope that the use of QRpedia, and the release of some media under an open licence, will feature. I hope you share my pleasure in looking forward to this promising project. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013: Where will you be travelling from?
What to do if your region is not in the list? Could someone add an 'other' option? :) Thanks! Lodewijk 2012/10/18 Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com To help inform the decision over the location of the 2013 WikiConference please could you take a moment to fill out the following survey! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?fromEmail=trueformkey=dHVpU2E1VjJfVmtaTkZldFNxSTY5N1E6MQ Cheers, Tom ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process
Chris, if I may at least ask for a very short clarification of the no: are you confirming there has been no communication/decision on the issue on board level, or do you confirm there will be no such EGM (as far as the board is concerned)? Best, Lodewijk 2012/9/16 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Annual_Conference_2012_AGM_Minutes#Discussion_over_the_voting_process It says there that there was going to be an EGM before September 2012 to decide on how future board election would be held. Is there any word on that? I think the short answer is no. Chris ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Falklands
Hi, We have discussed this issue quite up front actually - and decided to follow our usual path. Wiki Loves Monuments is based on what countries recognize as monuments - in this case the national heritage board of Argentina. We don't want to selectively shop in such a list, as that would be original research - which isn't allowed per Wikipedia policies. If the UK would have participated, that would simply have resulted in two sets of monuments on these islands. One set as recognized by the Argentina government, and one set as recognized by the UK government (if there are monuments there recognized by the UK). There are some more examples like this: Argentina also recognized some monuments in Antarctica and some countries have recognized monuments in former colonies, or they have recognized buildings that have been moved to another country over time (i.e. taken apart and reconstructed elsewhere, or shipwrecks). Anyway, we don't want to take a political approach here but I don't exclude the possibility that this is taking an interest in Latin American media at some point. I suggest that then the explanation as above could be used to explain that it's about the neutrality principles of Wikipedia - and not about taking a political stance. Lodewijk 2012/8/21 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk Not yet. Needs sensitive handling, I think - and mailing list discussions aren't very sensitive! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 21 August 2012 12:58, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2012 12:54, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: At £2k for a non-commercial flight, it could be quite tricky to get /anyone/ down there. Even sending cargo is quite expensive. From South America, it's about £500. Are there any Wikimedians in the Falklands? I'm sure WMUK can lend them its name, for the sake of good will all round! Has anyone cc'ed WMAR on this yet? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Scotland
for your information - a good step towards possible organizing of wiki loves monuments in the uk, if the volunteers can be found to lead an organizing team! It seems Maarten will be able to work out most of the list issues at least for scotland and wales. Still enough work to be done, no worries - but a big bump has been taken now :) Best, Lodewijk -- Forwarded message -- From: Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl Date: 2012/5/20 Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Scotland To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, I added the listed buildings in Scotland to the English Wikipedia, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**List_of_listed_buildings_in_**Scotlandhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_listed_buildings_in_Scotland. Monuments database is also set up so we have 47663 new items. It's already visible on the map ( http://toolserver.org/~**erfgoed/map/http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/map/) and tomorrow the other tools (like the statistics at https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_** Monuments_2011/Monuments_**database/Statisticshttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Monuments_database/Statistics) will be updated. I hope to be adding Wales soon. England and Northern Ireland are a bigger challenge. Maarten __**_ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.**wikimedia.orgwikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/**wikilovesmonumentshttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.**eu http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Backstage Pass, Black Country Living Musuem, 18 Feb
Hi Andy, too bad this seems to be conflicting with the Wiki Loves Monuments brainstorm in London at the same day (I hope you still plan to attend :) )! If it were a day later, I might have considered it though, being in the country anyway. Lodewijk No dia 7 de Fevereiro de 2012 13:19, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk escreveu: Hi folks, I have been provided with some information about a backstage pass event at the Black Country Living Museum, a week on Saturday: http://westmidlandsmdo.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/calling-wiki-editors/ Please note that I am not organising this event, though I shall attend and have been asked to speak at it; any queres should be addressed to the named contact, at the museum. Given the short lead-time, what's the best method of publicising this, on-wiki? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Monuments - brainstorm coming up!
Hi all, as you may have read before, we will be organizing a brainstorm meeting in London on Feb 18th - the excellent opportunity to discuss the opportunities and directions of a UK edition for Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012! Practical details: * Link: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_brainstorm * When: Saturday 18 February 2012; 13:00 * Where: Development House, Leonard Street, London, EC2A 4LT (the WMUK office) So what will we do? Well, we will not try to solve all the problems of the world. I will be there, with my experiences from Wiki Loves Monuments in 2010 and 2011 from the Netherlands and European contests, and we will try to see if there is enough interest to organize Wiki Loves Monuments in 2012 in the UK, to identify the challanges and opportunities ahead and what still would have to be done. I will not be organizing this myself, so input, initiative and interest (and lots of help) will definitely be needed from volunteers to make it a success. So, why would one want to organize a 'Wiki Loves Monuments' in the first place? Well, the idea is that it is a photo contest open for the general audience. Besides hopefully many good quality (but don't expect supreme super de luxe) photo material of the UK heritage, it is also a potential way of getting in touch with two highly motivated groups of volunteers: First of all photographers (which can learn this way all about free licenses and uploading to commons) and secondly heritage enthusiasts (generally older people, who might in the long run also be interested in writing about their local heritage). By asking them to participate in a low threshold contest, they can learn that one can really add content to Wikipedia (by uploading their photos) in a relatively safe and easy way. Also, it is a great opportunity to organize many local events around the topic - where there are interested volunteers to organize such. Potentially Wiki Loves Monuments can be used as a centerpiece to build other activities and cooperations around. This brainstorm might be a good time and place to analyze the opportunities there are, and see what it might bring in and what would be the best approach to get the most out of it! But yeah, there will be many challanges to be overcome probably - things that seem like huge problems sometimes. The brainstorm can serve as a time and place to think about that as well, see what would be the best way to approach those issues. Most likely the UK is not the first country to bump into them (18 countries organized WLM in 2011), so lets sit down together, and identify what are the real problems, and what are mainly problems that are easily solved, or that you could easily live with. Anyway, I would be thrilled to find the UK participating in Wiki Loves Monuments! Please add your input already to the page linked above, and join us in London on Feb 18! Looking forward to the meeting! Best regards, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Categorization project? (was: Making Wikipedia loves monuments work in the UK.)
Hi Roger, I feel sorry for you that you have the feeling that you went out for nothing. However, you did surely add to the wealth - having multiple photos of something is also worth something. A categorization project sounds great, but should probably not be called 'wiki loves monuments' to avoid confusion. It is also much less useful to new users, the main target group of Wiki Loves Monuments. We shouldn't bother them with Commons' horrible categorization structure - they should just identify what is on their photo, and we can (automagically) take it from there thanks to the (to be built) database. If you want to motivate people from our communities to categorize pictures, that would be a nice project in its own right. Perhaps it would be nice to do *before* wiki loves monuments - so that both get maximum effect? Lodewijk No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 15:29, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.comescreveu: *Anecdotal story*: My wife decided to take me outside for a trip and asked where I wanted to go. I'd recently seen a tool by Magnus Mankse called *Shoot me* which lists out all the wiki articles geo tagged near you that lacked pics. So I quickly went http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikishootme/index.html and that listed out half a dozen useful places near me that lacked pics. We went out took the pics and when I went to load them I found out that all these pictures already existed . they were uncategorised, but there. I think I loaded some *new* pix but I'm not sure I added much to the wealth. So if our objective is to supply everything to everyone (paraphrase our vision), then first we need a copy of everything. It could be that we already have a copy of nearly everything if we could just sort out what we had and what we lacked. However the chances of running a successful UK categorisation project is low. or is it? Do you know I just typed the last sentence and realised that that is what we want. *We want a categorisation project*. What we know will appeal is a successful photography project. Hmmm * UK WIKI LOVES MONUMENTS* - wacky proposal Prize goes to the b*est five media files in a complete Wiki-Commons-Category* Entrants will ensure that they use a valid commons category for a village, road, type of monuments etc. They will populate that category with as many photos and videos and sounds as possible. They are invited to add their own pictures, viideo and sounds but also to collect as many freely sourced files they can find from other sources too. Judges will look at wikimedia commons pages, wikipedia, wikisource etc pages that use or could use these resources. They will choose the winning category and the five media files that best illustrate its reason for winning. This is a beauty competition that is is not just based on the quality of the media but also the quantity, meta data and completeness of the chosen category. So thats an idea for what might work Please feel free to ignore, delete or modify On 30 January 2012 11:46, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: I may have missed the point.. but doesn't this article need expanding urgently? I feel these types of articles should be expanded routinely (Grade I listed buildings). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Harmondsworth_Barnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmondsworth_Barn In the news currently because English Heritage have just bought it. Perhaps it should look more like this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**House_Millhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Mill And, yes, I will edit the article - REAL SOON NOW. Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Roger Bamkin Chair WMUK http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board 01332 702993 0758 2020815 Google+:Victuallers Skype:Victuallers1 Flickr:Victuallers2 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Categorization project? (was: Making Wikipedia loves monuments work in the UK.)
Hi Roger, I think there are indeed a few things that characterize a 'Wiki Loves Monuments' - amongst those is, that it is a photo competition about monuments :) Hence, if categorizing would be the main activity, it would make a lot more sense indeed to find a different name. It would have nothing to do any more with 'flexible rules', but rather an entirely different concept. Which doesn't make it a bad idea though. Wiki Loves Monuments is a great way to get quite good quality pictures of monumental buildings. Even though you have many uncategorized images, there are definitely going to be many locations still without a good quality picture. At the same time, a big benefit is that you make a large group of people (especially amateur photographers) aware that Wikipedia is editable, which gives you an opportunity (not a garantuee) that they can be persuaded to stick around. Additionally it is a nice opportunity to work together with a different kind of partners, but I understand that you have no scarcity there. As far as I know, Maarten is currently trying to run a lot of the categorization automated, and that seems to be going well although it will take quite a while before it is finished. But yes, you will have definitely to ask yourself the question whether you want to run this competition at all. Most Wikipedians I heard so far on this topic seem indeed to be mainly worried about categorization, and find that of the most importance (please correct me when I'm wrong). Just don't get the impression that this potential audience that is out there (heritage enthusiasts, photographers) which you might be able to motivate for Wiki Loves Monuments, will be similarly interested in a 'categorization contest'. So far, I have met 1 non-Wikipedian interested in categorization. Ever. And he was only interested because he once did a paper or something on the topic :) So to put it simple: there is an opportunity to run a Wiki Loves Monuments in the UK. I personally think it is a great thing to do, and am happy to assist in any way possible to help you get it organized. But in the end, the enthusiasm and effort have to come from UK volunteers. I am not a categorization magician, so I can unfortunately not make that problem go away for you - even though I have tried to pull some strings and get other people take a look at it. Running a categorization contest/event for the Wikipedians (because other people are unlikely to be interested) before the start of Wiki Loves Monuments sounds like a great idea, because the two can potentially reinforce each other. Imho mixing the two up would make things complicated, and weaken both ideas. With kind regards, Lodewijk No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 17:22, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.comescreveu: *UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation of photos (outdoor or in) on a vaguely monumental theme* - lol Well that was a useful push at the linits of what is possible as I knew you thought that the rules were flexible. I'm feeling on this thread that we need to know why we are gathering more pics when we have so many. One appeal in WLM was to see the blip of new users on commons that WLM delivered. I only offer the categorisation project because that is where we have a large backlog. I know the category model is tricky but surely its a problem we cannot allow newbies to ignore? Otherwise our categorisation problems gets worse. We are saying that we should ask people to take pictures of things that we don't have pictures of . but we have no idea which things we don't have pictures of. What would you say were the main benefits of WLM. to the UK given that we do have thousands and thousands of photos that are uncategorised? On 30 January 2012 14:59, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi Roger, I feel sorry for you that you have the feeling that you went out for nothing. However, you did surely add to the wealth - having multiple photos of something is also worth something. A categorization project sounds great, but should probably not be called 'wiki loves monuments' to avoid confusion. It is also much less useful to new users, the main target group of Wiki Loves Monuments. We shouldn't bother them with Commons' horrible categorization structure - they should just identify what is on their photo, and we can (automagically) take it from there thanks to the (to be built) database. If you want to motivate people from our communities to categorize pictures, that would be a nice project in its own right. Perhaps it would be nice to do *before* wiki loves monuments - so that both get maximum effect? Lodewijk No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 15:29, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.comescreveu: *Anecdotal story*: My wife decided to take me outside for a trip and asked where I wanted to go. I'd recently seen a tool by Magnus Mankse called *Shoot me* which lists out all the wiki articles geo tagged near you
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Making Wikipedia loves monuments work in the UK.
Hi all,
it is good to see that between all the SOPA noise, there is some Wiki Loves
Monuments discussion ongoing! I want to use this opportunity to once again
point to the brainstorm meeting in London next month (details on the
wikimedia UK wiki), where we can probably tackle these and other issues
much more effectively.
TL;DR version: don't worry, problems can be solved, solutions are plenty.
Let's discuss it at the London brainstorm on 18 Feb.
http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_brainstorm
I don't want to go into detail here on every single issue, and I don't have
all the answers immediately either. However, I would like to make a few
general points which might help in finding solutions.
1) Wiki Loves Monuments is indeed an international contest, however it is
organized very much in a federative way. Our general credo is always that
you should do whatever works best in your country within a few main
restrictions of course. And these restrictions are not even thát tight - if
you have very good reasons to deviate that is up for discussion (at the
international WLM mailing list of course, which everyone is welcome to
join). This means for example that it is common to hold the contest in
September, and it is common that it is called 'Wiki Loves Monuments' (or a
translation), it is common that we offer a high number of objects
('monuments' in the broadest sense of the word) so that there is sufficient
coverage throughout the country, and that each object is identified with an
identifier. However, you can create special categories, choose to have a
jury or a public vote, you can organize local events or not, you can even
create a prize for categorizing existing photos. Do whatever works best in
the UK.
2) I hear many worries about categorization - this is something we have
tried to tackle in previous years already. You may have noticed that I
mentioned times that objects have an identifier. The idea is that a
submission to the contest is only valid if the uploader identifies the
object on the photo with that identifier. Because this identifier is linked
to a database, it would then be pretty easy to categorize the images once
you know what the object is - you can even immediately geo-locate them
(exceptions probably present). Surely there is community work involved
still in fixing up stuff, broken templates and whatever else, but
categorization would be one of the last tasks I'd expect - that can be done
with a bot.
3) You could definitely choose a theme to give extra attention - such as
war memorials. Personally I would advise not to limit yourselves to that,
and allow all historic sites you can get a list for. However, that would be
your call as organizers of the national contest of course.
4) The definition of 'monument' worries some people. I would like to make a
note that this definition simply differs from country to country. It is
probably clear that we mean all kind of buildings that deserve preservation
- however thanks to our NPOV principles, we tend to choose an external
definition for what buildings fall inside that category. In the Netherlands
we use the definition that it has to be a national monument
('rijksmonument'), and this year we may expand that definition with
municipal monuments and provincial monuments. In the UK you would have to
choose a definition which suits your needs best. Some good criteria would
be imho: a) get the list (will possibly require negotiation with the
government agencies/agency responsible), b) coverage throughout the country
(everybody should be able to get to a monument easily, where ever he or she
happens to live), c) usefulness on Wikipedia (if the photos don't end up on
Wikipedia, people are not that interested - so lists of these monuments
would have to be(come) available) and d) diversity and interest (people
need to feel wow, interesting, I never knew that this cool building was so
nearby). You can probably find more and even more relevant criteria, but
this as a trigger to think about it.
Keep the thoughts flowing, and hopefully see you in London soon!
Best,
Lodewijk
No dia 18 de Janeiro de 2012 21:11, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com escreveu:
I was in the same discussion as Charles last night, and I'm one of the
people who has categorised bits of the Geograph backlog.
Currently we have 1.7 million images from the Geograph on Commons, roughly
two thirds of the Geograph has been loaded and that bit constitutes two
thirds of the Geograph. The Geograph is a UK and Ireland project, and its
2.5 million images are probably rather more images than Commons has from
the British isles, even including the 1.7 million geograph ones loaded so
far. The bot lad was stopped due to categorisation problems, much is done
by geocode and there are anomalies, and not just the predictable ones of
places on either side of the Solent being categorised to the wrong shore.
We don't know how big the categorisation backlog
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Loves Monuments brainstorming meeting
I'll definitely be there (of course!) - and I guess that everybody who'd be interested in getting such a contest off the ground in the UK would be welcome (correct me if I'm wrong) - Wikipedian or not. But this will of course be a brain storming meeting, so it is not necessary to do *everything* at one meeting. Lodewijk No dia 4 de Dezembro de 2011 20:13, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com escreveu: On 4 December 2011 11:54, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Hi all, We've previously had discussions on this list about the UK participating in Wiki Loves Monuments. There were a number of issues raised, and it would be good to sit down and brainstorm the solutions to those issues, and seeing whether we've got a critical mass of people to participate in WLM in September 2012. So I'm starting to organise a brainstorming meeting in Manchester early next year to do just that! If you're interested in brainstorming and helping make WLM:UK 2012 happen, then please sign up at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_brainstorm Can't say right now whether I'd be participating. But I had a brief word with someone from OpenStreetMap at the last London meetup about the issues I see around WLM, and the response was basically that they have plenty of data that would be relevant. So could you try to invite them? Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Call for help: WM-UK Charity application, evidence of public benefit
What I find a bit confusing is whether you are looking for Wikipedia's Public Benefit proof, for Wikimedia Foundation or Wikimedia UK. I can imagine that whether Wikipedia is publicly beneficial is not really into question - whether WMUK is, is a whole different game and discussion. In that case, I would rather focus on events organized by WMUK which support free knowledge, perhaps a joint press release with Charity institutions in the past (any press release together with the British Museum by any chance?) Just thinking along here :) Lodewijk Am 18. September 2011 15:50 schrieb Fae fae...@gmail.com: Hi, ** Do you know of examples of WM-UK's charitable public benefit? ** Please go to the collaboration page at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Charity_status_application/help_wanted to raise further good examples for our charity application team to incorporate in our final proposal to the Charity Commission. Text from the call for help on :wmuk copied below for information. Cheers, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags Text from uk.wikimedia.org [18 September 2011] Call for help! For the application to become a Registered Charity, we think we still need more evidence as follows. Ideally please send a link plus a quote or brief summary/abstract of the material (example at bottom), the sooner the better, but by Wednesday September 21st at latest. PUBLIC BENEFIT evidence of public benefit in some areas. The best sort of evidence are: academic studies, reports in top-quality press, quotes from top figures in their fields. The emphasis is on evidence of specific and actual public benefit that does not amount just to the increase of knowledge. More evidence that lots of people use Wikimedia is not needed; we need specific beneficial results of that usage, other than increasing knowledge . I think we have higher education covered, but primary secondary education, public health, and other areas could use more. Also academic studies from 2010/11 - I think we have the earlier ones covered. WMF: the record of the Wikimedia Foundation intervening in or controlling policy and content areas. WE ALREADY HAVE covered the following sources, among others: 2005 Nature WP/Encyc Brit study; PC Pro stories; Hansard quotes, WMF fundraiser testimonials, the big stories from the NYT, Economist, New Yorker, Guardian; Casper Grathwohl of Oxford University Press, How today’s college students use Wikipedia for course–related research”, by Alison J. Head and Michael B. Eisenberg. First Monday, Volume 15, Number 3 - 1 March 2010., Are chemicals killing us? By S. Robert Lichter, Ph.D, May 21, 2009 - Society of Toxicologists; “Early response to false claims in Wikipedia”, by P.D. Magnus, First Monday, Volume 13 Number 9 - 1 September 2008, http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/viewArticle/2115/2027 ; “How quickly are errors corrected?” by Stuart Andrews, PC Pro, 12 Jul 2007 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/119641/how-quickly-are-errors-corrected ; The paradox of expertise: is the Wikipedia Reference Desk as good as your library? IDEALLY post in this sort of format: Through user-generated efforts, Wikipedia is comprehensive, current, and far and away the most trustworthy Web resource of its kind. It is not the bottom layer of authority, nor the top, but in fact the highest layer without formal vetting. In this unique role, it therefore serves as an ideal bridge between the validated and unvalidated Web. Casper Grathwohl, vice president of Oxford University Press http://chronicle.com/article/Wikipedia-Comes-of-Age/125899/ End ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Why is UK not part of Wiki loves monuments?
I will not contest any decision made, although I would have liked seeing UK in Britain, but please let me clarify a few things just in case it would be considered for next year. National monumens have different names and definitions in every country - it was to be expected that this would also be the case in the UK. Also the numbers vary a lot - in the Netherlands 60.000, in Germany around 700.000. In most countries there are subcategories you can pick and choose from - some countries for example explicitely exclude archaeological monuments or otherwise inaccessible sites. Creating the lists is definitely the most work - there are quite some motivated volunteers for needed. I am not sure why these would have to come from the GLAM work group though, my initial thought would have been to search them in the online community. In Dutch first of all we created lists of national monuments. That does not mean every single monument will get an article though. The lists as such were considered notable enough though. See for example [[nl:Lijst van rijksmonumenten in Westland]]. Creating regular articles would not have been a main goal of the project, lists are necessary though. And importantly, the actual goal of the contest is not just to collect images - but also to familiarize people with Wikipedia, Wikimedia and creating free content. We learned that this motivates people to also release their other material under a free license. The availability of the Geograph photos should therefore by itself not block the project. However I can imagine you set other priorities of course, that is your choice. Oh, and finally, my name is Lodewijk, not Lodovik ;) 2011/7/15 John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk I think in fact all the points mentioned in Charles' and Lodovik's were messages were before the GLAM task force, in at least some form, when we discussed the matter. The term and concept of a National Monument does not exist as such in the UK, as opposed to other countries, in itself something of a problem. I believe the Netherlands has a single list, some 30,000 strong, covering all types of sites, buildings, and things. That is certainly not the case in the UK where (I forget the exact figures) when you add listed buildings to Scheduled Ancient Monuments and other types, you get well over a million, but for the most part without easily accessible listings. As Andrew rightly points out, these are not all centralized - listed buildings are by local authority and SAM's under different bodies for the constituent counties of the UK. The time available to assemble such listings, which seems to be a very large task, although in theory the information is available, was probably inadequate. As well as photos, many Dutch NMs received WP articles, (also in English) apparently on the basis that NM's were inherently notable, but there are several precedents for eg UK listed buildings being held not to be notable, and the same would be true of the lesser sort of SAMs which form the majority (hut circles, medieval moats etc). We felt a rash of deleted articles as a result of a NM project might have a negative effect. Overhanging all this was the 80,000 (is it now) mostly good quality, photos that are already on Commons from Geograph, that are still unsorted, or incorrectly categorized. Bearing in mind that many of the 326 photos in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Loves_Art_at_the_Victoria_and_Albert_Museum from February 2009 are still otherwise uncategorized, or not well categorized, we thought that pressing on with digesting the Geograph material was a priority. In the light of this, and the number of other projects the chapter has taken on, and the lack of anyone pressing to lead the iniative, we decided not to involve trhe chapter this year, and I still think we made the right decision. John ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Why is UK not part of Wiki loves monuments?
I definitely agree with Charles that a first step would have to be contacting the relevant bureaucracies. Our experience in all countries so far is that they are thrilled to work with us and share information. In general monuments are not considered a sexy topic, and Wikipedia is for those institutions a very interesting partner in that respect. We can motivate large numbers of people and interest them in heritage, and even find numerous mistakes in their databases. But yes, someone has to do that - and it is definitely sufficient work to keep busy. That is not extraordinary - it happens in over 15 countries throughout Europe, and most of them purely by volunteers. The chapter could especially be helpful in motivating these volunteers, chanelling their efforts and coordinating stuff. Hence Mike Peel was right when he mentioned that if there are no volunteers, it ain't gonna work. I was (and am) very sorry to find out that there was seemingly no interest from the UK to run Wiki Loves Monuments, but that is in the end your call. I do hope that with more time to use, there will be a WLM UK next year. With kind regards, Lodewijk 2011/7/13 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com Having looked at some of the entries I would just like to point out that the data seems to be stored by local authority rather than postal geography - which is possibly why one of the sites I previously looked at was riddled with errors. WSC On 13 July 2011 12:06, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 13/07/2011 11:39, rodw...@rodward.plus.com wrote: Sorry I seem to have put a cat amongst the pigeons with my query about the UK not being included in Wiki Loves Monuments. The discussion is certainly worth having. Following these discussions I took at look at the EH Spatial Data page ( http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/professional/archives-and-collections/nmr/spatial-data/ ). I presume the database format which is causing problems is ESRI? After a bit more digging I found the technical instructions for this format at http://www.esri.com/library/whitepapers/pdfs/shapefile.pdfbut it is way beyond my database abilities. Would someone at Village pump (technical) be able to convert it into anything useful or easy to use? Yes, that looks like progress. Technical matters tend to be the long suit among Wikimedians. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Why is UK not part of Wiki loves monuments?
Hi Charles, thanks for your insightful comments. I read about it in the signpost, and couldn't resist to comment. 2011/7/9 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com On 07/07/2011 11:02, WereSpielChequers wrote: Hi Rod, We've discussed this a couple of times at London meetups and elsewhere, I also suspect that the UK board have discussed it. The honest answer is I think threefold, firstly no-one in the UK has volunteered to run it, Well, there was no clear brief as to what that involved, anyway. It is unrealistic to ask for a volunteer for something that is (i) open-ended, (ii) ill-defined, (iii) to be based on data that can be putatively obtained but no one says where, and (iv) comes without any clear definition of monument (quite a serious point). I did look into this matter to some extent, and would be happy to share thoughts. A Board member having said next year, I moved it down the agenda. There might need to be a budget. (i) the timeline is available here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline (but would need tweeking in individual countries) (ii) the concept description is available here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept and there is even a clear outline of how it worked last year in the Netherlands with many tipstricks: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2010/post_mortem (iii) this would be with your local heritage institute. Wikimedia Netherlands volunteers have good contacts with the European umbrella organizations (Council of Europe and Europeana are official partners) and have offered on multiple occasions to bring local organizers in touch with national heritage boards who govern the lists. This happened successfully in multiple countries, I can't see why that wouldn't be possible in the UK. (iv) this definition is different in every country, because every government has its own definition. We did not want to introduce an artificial definition, but rather go with the existing ones. It would make no sense for us to define a British monument. The UK (or English etc) government already did that for us. I am very sorry that you did not ask these questions in an earlier stage, I could have given you these answers then already. However, you ought to realize that the national contest would have to be organized by local volunteers - we will not do that for you. The work would still be with UK people, but collegues throughout Europe could have helped you with advises, ideas and brainstorming. You would have been welcome also to participate in the Wiki Loves Monuments summit in Berlin. I definitely do hope that questions like this next time will be asked early and directly at the relevant people. With kind regards, Lodewijk Gelauff one of the international WLM coordinators ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
