Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[Sarah McCulloch]

On 1 August 2012 11:07, joseph seddon wrote:

>  Lets do all continue arguing over the semantics of newspaper articles
> whilst the reputation of the charity is slowly eroded.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

[Sarah McCulloch]

I was going to say that I was somewhat surprised that WMUK elected someone
who was at ArbCom at the time, but then looked it up and noticed there was
a two week period between Fae's election and the opening of the case.

It seems to me that Ashley was elected on the basis of competence,
experience and professional skills offline, all qualities he presumably
still has despite the findings of the Arbitration Committee about his
behaviour on-wiki. That behaviour has been punished, I don't see why WMUK
need be plunged into chaos if he's still doing a good job, though I don't
work with him so I'm not qualified to judge.

If the issue is one of confidence, perhaps we should have a recall vote (as
Fae was open to recall for admin rights), and Ashley can choose to resign
or not from that - it would save a lot of legal hassle, at any rate.

Sarah

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On 25 July 2012 22:51, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 25 July 2012 22:40, geni  wrote:
> > On a purely technical level looking at the Articles of Association Fae
> > can resign. Alternatively its possible that he could be removed by a
> > general meeting (although it isn't entirely clear) Since the AGM is 10
> > months away an EGM would be required. A final option is that the
> > directors could remove him as a member which has the effect of
> > removing him as a director. Takes 21 days mind.
>
> The power of the members to remove a director by ordinary resolution
> comes from the Companies Act 2006, rather than the Articles. The power
> definitely exists, though. Calling an EGM would require either a board
> resolution or 5% of members to request it.
>
> Personally, I'm waiting to see what Fae and the board do before I
> decide how to proceed with this situation.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[Sarah McCulloch]

Nope, once the room's booked people can just turn up, I don't need to be
there. Even if I can't make it I'll try and make sure there are signs up for
people so you can all find the room. Should be all fine. :)

Sarah

2009/3/11 Cormac Lawler 

> Great! So, one concern expressed yesterday was - if you were somehow unable
> to make it that day (due to sickness or whatever) - whether there would be a
> problem with non-"cardholders" turning up for the room? If not, and if
> people are happy to have the AGM in Manchester, I suggest we simply finalise
> the date, publicise the venue (UMSU), and leave the selection of the room
> itself to Sarah. Is that agreeable to all?
> Cormac
>
>
> 2009/3/11 Sarah McCulloch 
>
>> Like I said in my previous email, I'm a cardholder, so I just have to send
>> in the booking when it lets me 28 days in advance.
>>
>> Dev
>>
>> 2009/3/11 Cormac Lawler 
>>
>>> 2009/3/7 Sarah McCulloch 
>>>
>>>> I can do it, but I can't book it now (room bookings at UMSU only go 28
>>>> days in advance). What capacity do you want?
>>>>
>>>> Dev
>>>>
>>>
>>> How sure are you that you can get a room, Sarah? (I haven't tried the uni
>>> yet - though I may be able to get something myself.) I also tried other
>>> function room options in central Manchester - I'm getting a 50-70 price
>>> range - which seems out of our league, right?
>>>
>>> Cormac
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[Sarah McCulloch]

Like I said in my previous email, I'm a cardholder, so I just have to send
in the booking when it lets me 28 days in advance.

Dev

2009/3/11 Cormac Lawler 

> 2009/3/7 Sarah McCulloch 
>
>> I can do it, but I can't book it now (room bookings at UMSU only go 28
>> days in advance). What capacity do you want?
>>
>> Dev
>>
>
> How sure are you that you can get a room, Sarah? (I haven't tried the uni
> yet - though I may be able to get something myself.) I also tried other
> function room options in central Manchester - I'm getting a 50-70 price
> range - which seems out of our league, right?
>
> Cormac
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM in Manchester

[Sarah McCulloch]

I can do it, but I can't book it now (room bookings at UMSU only go 28 days
in advance). What capacity do you want?

Dev

2009/3/7 Andrew Turvey 

> Hi all,
>
> Unfortunately we've drawn a blank with finding a suitable free venue in
> Birmingham, so we've decided to move to plan B, which is Manchester.
>
> Does anyone have any contacts - for instance at the University - which
> would enable them to book a room for free on Saturday 25th or Sunday 26th
> April?
>
> If so please could you reply to the list or to me directly asap.
>
> regards,
>
> Andrew
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging new members

[Sarah McCulloch]

When I read those posts I assumed there was an inside joke there I wouldn't
understand rather than an attack on newbies.

Assuming good faith makes all bad things go away. :)

Dev

2009/1/18 Paul Williams 

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> Thank you for the sensible words, Theresa. Someone had to say them.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Manchester Wikipedians willing to do seminars?

[Sarah McCulloch]

Cool with me.

2008/12/21 Gordon Joly 

> >
> >I'm going to guess that everyone is okay with my providing her with
> >your names and contact information.  Thanks!
> >
> >Cary
>
>
> Fine by me!
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Manchester Wikipedians willing to do seminars?

[Sarah McCulloch]

Ditto. :)

Dev

2008/12/17 Michael Peel 

> I'm currently at the University of Manchester, and would be
> interested in helping with this.
>
> Mike
>
> On 17 Dec 2008, at 04:09, Cary Bass wrote:
>
> > We did a workshop today and one of the participants was a professor
> > visiting
> > from Manchester, and asked if we had local Wikipedians willing to
> > come to
> > the University and do a workshop on how to contribute to and edit
> > Wikipedia.
> > She has my card and is going to send me an email as to specifics,
> > but I
> > wanted to ask around sooner rather than later to find out who might be
> > available and willing to do this.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cary Bass
> > Volunteer Coordinator
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

Why don't you do the obvious and write down where everyone who definitely
wants to come to the AGM is from?

2008/12/2 michael west <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> m Wikipedian's aren't use this democratic type systems.  Can't somebody
> right down some names of interesting towns in the UK and just pick one from
> a hat? Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham and London all seem pretty
> reasonable and easy to get to.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

As far as Manchester goes, I asked and there's no rule that says I can't
randomly hold an AGM for a completely unrelated organisation if it's
properly booked in a society's name. I'm sure Students Against ID (all two
of us) will be happy to have you. :-)

Holding it on a Saturday will make it easiest for people to get in though.
At 5 they start checking student ID, and while you can still get in for a
specific event, it's a pain in the arse.

Dev


> > > On Dec 2, 1:45 pm, "Thomas Dalton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >> 
> > >> Agreed. London, Birmingham or Manchester are all pretty accessible.
> > >> 
> >
> > > My only thoughts on Birmingham is that we don't seem to have any
> > > activists from there who could organise venues.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

I'm not considering centrality - I'm considering that if you all come to
Manchester I'll be able go to the AGM :P

2008/12/1 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/12/1 Sarah McCulloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Just because everyone turned up from Euston in this case simply confirms
> > what I was saying - Londoners thought it was worth making the trip,
> people
> > from say, Bolton, would have decided Salford was difficult to get to and
> > stayed at home. When considering cities the ease with which the station
> can
> > be reached from everywhere should be the priority, be it Manchester
> > Piccadilly or London Liverpool Street.
>
> You're assuming there were people that were meant to come but didn't,
> we don't know that. Alison was just giving an example of a time when
> choosing a geographically central location turned out not to be a
> particularly good choice. The exact reasons why it went wrong that
> time aren't really important, the point was that you need to consider
> more than just centrality in the country.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

Just because everyone turned up from Euston in this case simply confirms
what I was saying - Londoners thought it was worth making the trip, people
from say, Bolton, would have decided Salford was difficult to get to and
stayed at home. When considering cities the ease with which the station can
be reached from everywhere should be the priority, be it Manchester
Piccadilly or London Liverpool Street.

2008/12/1 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/12/1 Al Tally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> 2008/12/1 Sarah McCulloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > If I may interject, Salford is quite hard to get to, even for locals.
> >> > Proximity to Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria would be a better
> >> > criterion.
> >> > :)
> >>
> >> Well, yes, but that doesn't affect Alison's point. Anywhere in
> >> Manchester would have been a bad choice of venue.
> >
> > Not necessarily. You can get to anywhere in the world from Manchester
> > Piccadilly.
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> Yes, but if everyone is travelling there via Euston, then somewhere
> near Euston would be a far better venue.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

I said that because I suspect all the Londoners didn't realise the unhelpful
location of Salford and made the effort, and those nearer didn't bother.

2008/12/1 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/12/1 Sarah McCulloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > If I may interject, Salford is quite hard to get to, even for locals.
> > Proximity to Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria would be a better
> criterion.
> > :)
>
> Well, yes, but that doesn't affect Alison's point. Anywhere in
> Manchester would have been a bad choice of venue.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

If I may interject, Salford is quite hard to get to, even for locals.
Proximity to Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria would be a better criterion.
:)

Dev

2008/12/1 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Mon, December 1, 2008 08:03, James wrote:
> > Manchester or Birmingham would be a good bet I think - nice and central
> to
> > the whole UK, so everyone can get there without travelling too far.
>
> Locations can be so problematic though. I went to the founding meeting of
> a national organisation years ago which was held in Manchester (Salford,
> in fact) because "it was central and fairer to people attending from all
> over the UK".
>
> Turned out though that *everyone* attending had come up on the train from
> Euston (though I'd got on at Watford) which meant that after the time that
> had been booked at the venue we carried on on the return train to London
> and then in the facilities at Euston for another few hours too!
>
> Whilst not wishing to suggest that London would 'automatically' be the
> best venue on the grounds of easy and fast access from all directions,
> getting a pre-indication of who might be most likely to attend and how
> their finances / timings are for getting to the possible locations might
> be useful (the graph exercise in reducing the overall cost by selection of
> location is left as an exercise for the student).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

If you do it during the day it will definitely be free - but my student
union closes to non-members at 5 (to get round alcohol licencing laws) and
I'm not sure just how many "guests" they'd let me bring in. :-) For other
times I shall enquire.

Dev

2008/11/30 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Nov 30, 11:03 pm, "Sarah McCulloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > If you want to meet in Manchester I may be able to provide meeting space
> for
> > up to 200 people in our student union/university depending on time of
> day.
>
> Many thanks for the offer! Let's see what people say about location
> and we may contact you later to follow this up. Would there be a
> charge for this or would it be free?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM

[Sarah McCulloch]

If you want to meet in Manchester I may be able to provide meeting space for
up to 200 people in our student union/university depending on time of day.

Dev

2008/11/30 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> At the last Board meeting, one of the matters that was briefly
> discussed what where the AGM in Jan/Feb should be held.
>
> London would seem an obvious option for me - although not
> geographically central, it is easy to get to from all parts of the
> country,
>
> Oxford would also be a good choice, as its the location for our
> Wikimania 2010 bid so would be a good opportunity to familiarise
> ourselves with the city (and have some experience organising an event
> - albeit much smaller event - there)
>
> I guess other cities that are fairly central could be candidates too -
> Birmingham was mentioned as was Manchester which is fairly central
> when looking at the whole of the UK rather than just England.
>
> Has anyone got any views on this?
>
> This probably wont be decide for a few weeks yet, but would be good to
> get peoples' views.
>
> Thanks
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