[Wikimediauk-l] Re: "Court of Appeal ruling will prevent UK museums from charging reproduction fees—at last"

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Re: "It is certainly strange to me that some cultural organisations pursue
image licensing as a loss making venture that also borders on copyfraud..."

I'm hoping that museums will still want to spend money on digitising their
content. But we need to be realistic, if they can't subsidise that by
getting at least some of the money back from image licensing, they may do
less of it.

Of course rumour has it that some institutions weren't even getting as much
from image licencing as it cost them to market and sell those images. My
hope is that fewer institutions will think of digitisation in terms of
fundraising and more in terms of fulfilling their mission of preserving and
recording their collection and making their collections available to all.

But my fear is that there will be more items that can only be seen if
visited and the only available images are photos of the painting on mugs
and jigsaws from the museum shop.

Jonathan



On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 14:39, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 09:39, Deryck Chan  wrote:
> >
> > I'm slightly confused by the article. It refers to THJ vs Sheridan (2023)
> > but that ruling was about software-generated graphs and said nothing
> > about reproducing out-of-copyright content?
>
> It doesn't need to. It clarifies the conditions under which a
> copyright is created; the subject matter is immaterial.
>
> See paragraphs 14-16 ("The Law"), in particular:
>
> "What is required [for copyright to exist] is that the author was able
> to express their creative abilities in the production of the work by
> making free and creative choices so as to stamp the work created with
> their
> personal touch [...] This criterion is not satisfied where the content
> of the work is dictated by technical considerations, rules or other
> constraints which leave no room for creative freedom"
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[Wikimediauk-l] Re: Stained glass window image sought

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Hi Charrles, I've had a look at the Geograph site
https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=181239399 and we don't seem to
have anything more there. But always worth checking when you are looking
for UK photos  as we have a lot of images there that have not yet been
uploaded onto Commons.

Jonathan

On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 09:52, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Thanks! That's certainly an interesting kind of query to have around.
>
> For the many people it turns up on the Geograph site, it would be
> relatively easy to look at nearby squares on the site.
>
> Charles
>
> On 11/05/2023 13:57 Magnus Manske  wrote:
>
>
> This might help to find specific people to ask (who took the most pictures
> on Commons within 5km around Newcastle-under-Lyme):
>
> https://w.wiki/6gzB
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:28 AM Charles Matthews <
> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> I'm currently drafting an article on William Francis Gordon of Lichfield.
> He gave the east window to Porthill church, and an interior view would be
> good.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Andrew%27s_Church,_Porthill
>
> is as much as Commons has about the church, near Newcastle-under-Lyme.
>
> Can anyone help out?
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[Wikimediauk-l] Meetups are back in real life, but the online option continues.

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HI, last Sunday was my first London meetup for a while, and it was good to
see so many people, including several I'd not had a chance to speak to
since before lockdown. Next month the second Sunday is on the 14th, and
unless there is a dramatic resurgence of COVID, we'll be at the Oak again.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/183

There's also a virtual UK meetup on the 28th July, and as this format works
for people who can't get to London or other meetups I suspect these monthly
meetings will continue post Covid.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/UK_virtual/14

Regards

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Picture request: Urbanora House, Wardour Street, London

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Hi Andy,

I have searched the geograph and uploaded some "recent" ones of Wardour
street from there that weren't migrated from commons a decade ago.

The best I can do for you is
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Las_Vegas_American_Pool,_Wardour_Street_(geograph_2094904).jpg
but for someone looking up and with a Zoom you need someone who is able to
go into London. That won't be me for a while I'm afraid.

Jonathan

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 16:06, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I hope you are all keeping well.
>
> Urbanora House, at 89-91 Wardour StreetUK , London, is significant in
> the story of UK the movie industry, but we have, apparently, no
> picture of it on Commons.
>
> We also need a close-up of the "Urbanora " branding at the top of the
> building, which may need a long lens.
>
> Does anyone have such images, or can someone take them, once lockdown
> is over, please?
>
> The non-free images on these pages give an idea of what I mean:
>
>
> https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-w1/89-91-wardour-street/89-91-wardour-street/id/7281
>
>https://leftoverlondon.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/who-was-urban-nora/
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Change in licence requirement for National Lottery Heritage Fund projects

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Wow, that's a real game changer. Well done to all concerned.

Jonathan

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 20:37, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 13:40, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>
> > The National Lottery Heritage Fund has today announced a significant
> policy change,
> > with a new requirement for grant recipients to release the digital
> outputs of funded
> > projects under a CC-BY 4.0 licence.
>
> This is marvelous news - thank you for the update.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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Andy makes some important points.

We know that even if editors in the UK respect what the British Museum is
doing and don't upload those images to Commons or Wikipedia; where they are
public domain images under US law, it is just a matter of time before
someone in the movement, anywhere in the world, uploads any of those
British Museum images that are of old two D objects to Commons as Public
Domain images that can be used without attribution to the photographer or
the institution.

Of course large parts of the British Museum collection would involve images
of three d objects. In those case we can't use the BM images, but outside
of lockdown people can either go there and take photos, or if  you can't
get yourself to the British Museum with a camera,  make a request via the
London Meetup, and if the object is on display we can get results such as
at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_altarpiece_(WB.232)


The chapter remains in the awkward position of liaising with institutions
that regard it as acceptable to claim  a non commercial copyright on out of
copyright material, and of in effect advocating for a position at variance
with that of the wider movement.

One option that the chapter could consider would be to shift policy and
instead start to diplomatically lobby UK Museum's to, as Andy put it, stop
" trying to appropriate rights that belong to us all." Perhaps those on
this list who are still members of the chapter might consider raising this
for a debate at the next AGM?

Regards

Jonathan



On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 21:06, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 11:43, Owen Blacker  wrote:
> >
> > That it's a non-commercial licence is really disappointing, but that's
> still a little better than nothing…
>
> With the emphasis on the "little". There are two things wrong with
> this, which we as a movement (and individually) need to challenge; at
> very reasonable opportunity.
>
> Firstly, there's the way they're spending public money making non-free
> original content. we need to persuade GLAMs - and lobby funders - that
> such material should be freely reusable.
>
> But far more troubling is the attempt to claim copyright in works
> whose copyright - if the work didn't pre-date copyright completely -
> expired decades or centuries ago. The latter means, in effect that
> they are trying to appropriate rights that belong to us all.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recent changes and watchlists broken on the WMUK Wiki

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Dear John,

If WMUK no longer has a technology budget you might want to consider asking
if another chapter would be willing to support QRpedia. It is only because
it started in the UK that it was hosted by the UK chapter, it is actually a
global resource.

Jonathan

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 13:04, John Lubbock 
wrote:

> Hi Chris, I know, I know, it's a huge problem we've been having. All the
> extensions are also down, and some domains like the QRPedia one and the
> stats.wikimedia.org.uk one are also not working, and have not been doing
> so for a while. I'm told that Tom Morton is trying to fix things but I
> think he's part time, and I keep on asking for updates about when things
> might be fixed, but I've not heard anyhting about when they might be fixed.
> Things are going as fast as he can manage, I suppose, but without a full
> time person to do this on staff, and with Tom the only person who has
> access to the server files, it's all going very slowly. Trust me nobody is
> more frustrated about it all than me.
>
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>
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:54, Chris McKenna  wrote:
>
>> Currently, both recent changes and watchlists on the WMUK Wiki are
>> showing
>> 0 changes, despite there being changes that should be shown - there have
>> been four posts to the Engine Room (where this problem was flagged up) in
>> the past 2 days for example.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> 
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>>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Monthly skill share in London

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Dear John,

I'd be happy to see the chapter bring back these sort of events. Thinking
of a few lessons from when we last did them, coffee, soft drinks and some
sort of snacks are important - remember that many attendees will be coming
straight from work. We also used to designate a pub for the end of the
evening.

You need to allow for a variable start time, some people will be working
nearby, others may finish later and be an hour away - starting off with
something informal such as a wiki surgery would give time for more people
to get there. You don't want to give some people an hour to kill after work
or exclude others because they can't slope off work early.

Don't try to get 12 topics fixed before you start, topics will emerge as
you talk to the attendees and potential attendees. But the ones we
discussed at the London Meetup, FA writing, AWB workshop etc would give a
good diverse start. Geni's talk on "photography in museums" is one I would
happily hear again.

Last Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday would give some distance from the
existing London meetup on the second Sunday, and in the months with 5 weeks
give you an advantage when you are competing against events that use the
1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th week of the month.


Jonathan






Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:14:25 +0100
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> Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
> I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
> the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
> with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> perhaps.
>
> Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
> a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> the community and chapter members.
>
> I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> month. How does that sound to everyone?
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> Excellent idea. There was an idea to start something similar "what have you
> learnt recently/Share your exciting new learning (of course Wiki-related)".
>
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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 16:45, John Lubbock 
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> > Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup
> yesterday,
> > I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work
> at
> > the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month
> programme
> > with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> > status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> > perhaps.
> >
> > Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to
> have
> > a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> > the community and chapter members.
> >
> > I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> > month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Womanthology would like to run something on Wikipedia's efforts to fix the gender gap in our editing and coverage

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I was one of the helpers at Alice's women in red event at Imperial last
week. I'll drop her a note. I'm sure she and I suspect the lady from
Imperial would be happy to talk to Womanthology.

Regards

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On 11 Mar 2018, at 14:49, Richard Nevell 
wrote:

I think this would be a good opportunity for one of Wikimedia UK's female
volunteers to talk about their work.

On 11 Mar 2018 13:00, "Roger Bamkin"  wrote:

Hi David,

I started Women in Red which moved the needle from 14% to 17.49%. She can
see the twitter page at #wikiwomeninred and there is a women in red
Wikipedia page. We can also talk about the work we hsave done with United
Nations, Unesco, cambridge uni, wikimedia uk, ng, fr, ca, etc and the BBC.

Happy for you to give her my details.

regards

Roger

On 11 March 2018 at 12:40, David Gerard  wrote:

> Got a call on Friday from Fiona Tatton from Womanthology. She was
> interested in talking to someone who's worked on improving
> representation of women in Wikipedia, and editing Wikipedia.
>
> Coverage is basically talking to individuals about what they do.
>
> I'm pretty sure this'll be a positive for our work ...
>
> Best method: look at the site, if you'd like to be there then go to
> the contact form.
>
> (She left a phone message with Lucy, but I said I'd forward something here
> too.)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
> 
> Great speaking to you just now. Thank you for your time.  As
> discussed, I work on Womanthology, a digital magazine that champions
> positive female role models and challenges the stereotypes of what it
> means to be a ‘successful’ woman today. Please have a look:
>
> www.womanthology.co.uk
>
> I’m working on a Women of History issue - I’m interested in
> representation of historical female figures and the way editathons are
> being used to highlight the achievements of women who have been
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Give a lightning talk at this Saturday's AGM and meet up!

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OK sold. I've just booked and will be there at least for Harry's talk.

On 13 July 2017 at 09:31, Harry Mitchell  wrote:

> There isn't even an *un*written version yet. It's been a long time since I
> stood up and spoke to a room full of Wikimedians. Also, I didn't think
> anyone else would be interested! Something to occupy me on the journey
> tomorrow! ;)
>
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>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Katherine Bavage <
> katherine.bav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Harry - that sounds really good! If you've got a written version anywhere
>> and it isn't on the WMUK blog can you make that a thing for those of us
>> (like me) who sadly won't make it.
>>
>> I have voted by proxy though :)
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 at 09:23 Harry Mitchell  wrote:
>>
>>> I assumed all the slots would be taken, but I'd be happy to give a talk
>>> if there's space. Let's go with "War Memorials, Wikipedia, and Why You
>>> Should Care", just because I appreciate alliteration. (Hi Nicola! If you
>>> need more detail, please do email me offlist.)
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere public we can put these things and/or sign up for the
>>> event in general? I know it's a crazy Wikipedian thing, but it might
>>> inspire someone else.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Harry Mitchell
>>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 <+44%207507%20536971>
>>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
>>> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
 Dear all

 There are quite a few places left at Saturday's AGM so please sign up *here
 *
 if you'd like to come. As well as the AGM, this is a key opportunity to
 feed into the final cycle of the global Wikimedia movement strategy
 process, as there will be a workshop/facilitated discussion on the emerging
 strategy in the morning. We will be joined, virtually, at this session by 
 Ravishankar
 Ayyakkannu from the Wikimedia Foundation's Global Reach and
 Partnerships team, who will give a short summary of the New Voices strategy
 track and will be available to answer questions during the discussions.

 One of the highlights of last year's event for me was the 'lightning
 talks' session, but so far this year we only have one person signed up.
 Please consider giving a lightning talk and sharing some of your wiki
 wisdom! Talks should generally be about five minutes long, although of
 course if we don't have many people signed up the timings will be a bit
 more relaxed. You can sign up by emailing
 nicola.furn...@wikimedia.org.uk with your name and a title for your
 talk.

 I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at Senate House Library on
 Saturday.

 Best wishes
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Election Edit-a-thon

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Much is down to the operator, but better cameras can take better pictures,
especially in Low light conditions.

If you take David Gerard's advice and introduce yourself as from Wikipedia
, any political party with an ounce of commonsense will usher you to the
front and give you a position where you can take a good photo.

On 24 April 2017 at 08:35, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 23/04/17 04:41, geni wrote:
> > Poorly. MPs should be out and about a bit more in the next few weeks
> > but I always feel a but iffy bringing serious camera gear to Q&A
> > sessions and the like.
>
>
> Why? Surely they are all open to being photographed? And why "serious
> gear"? Just an iPhone would do?
>
> I rarely take any sort of portrait photograph but the candidate are out
> there so be seen (and heard).
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Cinema Museum event on the 18th June

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Dear All,

I'm delighted to be able to announce that we are back at the Cinema Museum
in Lambeth, London for an editathon on the 18th June.

For the moment this is just a holding notice, we are first going to promote
this to their mailing list, but trainers and film buffs will definitely be
welcome.

More details will be posted at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Film/June_2017_event

Regards

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[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Fwd: [Wikidata] WikiFactMine Project is Advertising for a Wikimedian in Residence

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Dear all,

There is a 6 month Wikimedian in Residence role, or perhaps in this case
Wikidatan in Residence coming up, at least 50% based in Cambridge.

WSC


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Date: Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:00 AM
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Hi,

ContentMine is currently looking to hire a Wikimedian in Residence for
the WikiFactMine Project (see:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/ContentMine/WikiFactMine).

It's a six month long position and we're looking for someone who could
spend around half their time in Cambridge, UK. We expect it to have
quite a lot of Wikidata related work.

If you're interested or know someone who might be then the advert can
be seen at: http://contentmine.org/jobs

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail again

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Re "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse
sources?

The Daily Mail is a very long way from being the first source deprecated by
the Wikipedia community, it isn't even in the most deprecated category of
sources, that would be ones that go into the spamfilter and are
automatically rejected.

If someone can point to a worse site currently in use as a source on
Wikipedia we can comment on that and even start a discussion on them at the
reliable sources noticeboard. But if someone comes to the discussion in the
misconception that the Daily Mail is the first source we have deprecated,
the best response is to explain that Wikipedians have been discussing the
reliability of sources for many years. This may be the first such decision
to get public interest, it is a very long way from being the first such
decision. So to answer a question with a question, can you name a source
which is less reliable than the Daily Mail but isn't deprecated on
Wikipedia?


For the record I wish we could go into a little more nuance re the Daily
Mail, such as at what points in history could they be treated as reliable.
I've heard that their sports coverage is reliable, except perhaps where it
blurs into coverage of sports personalities.




On 15 February 2017 at 03:28, - -  wrote:

> On 09 February 2017 at 15:57 Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse
> sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo
> happy I'd be interested to hear it  ;)
>
> One reason that I didn't see mentioned in the rfc is that, unlike say the
> Guardian, the Mail seems to reuse its story urls after only 2 years or so.
> Eg: I followed a ref link for a story on a record auction price for a
> painting to find a recent story about a footie transfer.   That may be good
> enough for many linking websites but doesn't work for us.
>
> Btw i did the WMUK media training & am used to speaking to the press on
> Wiki-in-residence matters, & would be happy to be on a panel or whatever,
>
> John
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London meetup.

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After consulting most of the attendees last Sunday, or at least a dozen of
them, I can confirm that the next two London meetups will be even closer to
Holborn station, at the Shakespeare's Head on Kingsway. In May we will
probably be reverting to the Penderel's Oak when it reopens.

That means a different location for both:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/116 March the 12th

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/117 and April 9th

As usual all wikimedians welcome, new, ancient or resurfacing.


Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers

On 13 February 2017 at 19:09, Andy Mabbett 
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> On 13 February 2017 at 17:29, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
> > A new venue for March (and April).
>
> Ooh, go on, give us a clue...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

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For those who want some background, this is the RFC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC

and this is also relevant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC

bccing someone who might not be on this list and might be willing to speak
publicly on this matter.

In any event I'm sure it will be discussed on Sunday at the London Meetup
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/115 - I spotted at least
three of our regulars and irregulars in the RFC discussion.

Jonathan

On 9 February 2017 at 16:07, rodward  wrote:

> Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be done
> remotely?
>
>
>
> rod
>
>
>
> On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
>
> Hi all
> Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and
> he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis
> and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are
> made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something you
> think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on 07803 505 169 or just drop
> me an email.
> Cheers
> Lucy
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> compare -
>> * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
>> papers that lean right
>> * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
>> and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
>> * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC,
>> recite in a calm voice while smiling
>>
>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard  wrote:
>>
>>> That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
>>>
>>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!"
 round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting
 community preferences" sounds tricky. ;)

 On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some
> editors" then email here ;-D
>
> so er, editors?
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great
> if
> > someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
> particular
> > the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
> it's
> > clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
> someone
> > does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
> >
> > The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been
> > fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
> up and
> > comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
> would
> > help to deal with enquiries.
> >
> > All best
> > Lucy
> >
> >
> > On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard  wrote:
> >>
> >> BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for
> >> tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the
> >> email.
> >>
> >>
> >> - d.
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[Wikimediauk-l] London 115 - 12th Feb

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Dear All,

Our 115th meetup in London is coming up on the 12th Feb. More details at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/115

As usual we will try to be opposite the main doors with at least one laptop
with a Wiki logo.

I'm guessing the conversation will range from the recent run of  RFAs on EN
wiki to the trending topics on Wikipedia and the submissions for this years
Wikimania.

Hope to see you there

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Commons walking tour

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Hi John,

It has been a while since we did a WikiTakes event in the UK, Wiki takes
Chester may be the most recent, be good to have another one

Magnus has now produced a nifty tool that shows heat maps of articles
without images, so the chapter could do a Wiki takes event targeted at a a
place where we have lots of unillustrated articles. London might be such a
place, but last years Wiki Loves Monuments had such a London skew that I'd
be surprised if we had many gaps in our coverage of grade I or Grade II*
listed buildings in London.

Jonathan

On 9 January 2017 at 12:23, John Lubbock 
wrote:

> Hello all, I wanted to gauge if there was interest in the idea of doing a
> Commons uploading walking tour in London at some point. I've started to go
> on my lunch break to places near the Wikimedia UK offices to take photos to
> illustrate Wikidata items and WP articles which don't have photos. You can
> see here
> 
>  on
> WikiShootMe that there are more green items (with photos) near the office
> on Leonard Street, but that there are still some areas (Bunhill cemetery to
> the West, Arnold Circus to the East) which have a lot of places without
> photos (in red).
>
> So I wonder if any Wikimedians would be interested in doing a walking tour
> of either of these places with me to add photos to Commons. It doesn't have
> to be these locations, and you're welcome to suggest other places with lots
> of red items that need photos. I will be taking some photos most lunchtimes
> during work days, so if anyone is free then, let me know. Alternatively we
> could arrange a specific outing on a weekend or in the evening to take
> photos in a specific place. We can use WMUK camera equipment if anyone
> needs to borrow a camera.
>
> Please let me know here or by email (john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk) if
> you'd be interested in doing something like this.
>
> All the best,
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

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Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living
people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion
or even
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion

I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was
definitely part of the BBC project.

I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon
as part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion

Jonathan

On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
> >
> > As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on
> > the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
>
> Which then expands to
>
> **
> This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be
> needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith,
> and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page
> if large changes need to be made.
> This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by
> someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you
> can seek feedback on your new article.
> **
>
> :-)
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

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Any chance of getting them to tweak
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838

If you create a biography of a living person on Wikipedia you really need
to cite a reliable source - such as a BBC article about them.

On 8 December 2016 at 10:24, Michael Peel  wrote:

> It's possible to follow the edits through the hashtag, at:
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/100Womenwiki
> Maybe help interact with the new users there? There are already a few
> problematic usernames being used... (e.g., User:BBC100)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 8 Dec 2016, at 07:49, Lucy Crompton-Reid  org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gordo
>
> This is one of the issues we've been discussing with the BBC all
> along...the idea being to focus on in person training events where people
> get a real sense of how to edit and are far less likely to be reverted. Of
> course the BBC were quite focused on having a large scale call to
> action...we're hoping to see most engagement at the in person events and we
> also have people keeping an eye on the hashtag so that we can spot
> potentially tricky situations. But you're right, it is a concern.
>
> Lucy
>
>
>
> On 8 December 2016 at 09:30, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 05/12/16 14:41, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
>> >
>> > As I know some of you will already be aware, Wikimedia UK, Women in Red
>> > and Wikimedia editors and communities around the world are partnering
>> > with BBC 100 Women to raise awareness of the gender gap on Wikipedia,
>> > improve coverage of women and encourage women to edit.
>>
>> Great stuff, but on the BBC News article:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38219838
>>
>> we find
>>
>> "How to create a new profile on Wikipedia"
>>
>> This is really about article creation for new biographic entries. If
>> this is a living person, then one of the most difficult starting points
>> for a new editor.
>>
>> I would think of "new profile" as being a User page.
>>
>> So, going live with a new article and then facing a rapid deletion
>> request is hardly constructive. No mention of a sandbox for example.
>> There should be explicit links to extant help, tutorials and other
>> instruction.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] East London Meetup?

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6 people attended and we had an interesting couple of hours. But we only
got one person actually signing up on meta.

We normally get between a dozen and a score of us at the second Sunday
meeting in London, and we already have 6 signed up for the next one.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/112 as usual all are welcome.

Jonathan


On 25 October 2016 at 13:50, WereSpielChequers 
wrote:

> I wasn't expecting to be available, but have now signed up. If it is
> anything like the normal London meetups there will be more attendees than
> signed up.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 25 October 2016 at 12:24, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:
>
>> I will be trying to pop in as well, its only a matter of hanging around
>> for couple of hours after work as i m just next doors.
>>
>> Dhaval
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:47, "Stevie Benton"  wrote:
>>
>>> Me too.  It's also listed on the Mozfest website as a  fringe event of
>>> the festival.
>>>
>>> Stevie
>>>
>>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:32, "John Lubbock" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was going to try to make it. Anybody else?
>>>>
>>>> On 24 October 2016 at 21:07, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like this will be a null event?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/8
>>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] East London Meetup?

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I wasn't expecting to be available, but have now signed up. If it is
anything like the normal London meetups there will be more attendees than
signed up.

Jonathan

On 25 October 2016 at 12:24, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> I will be trying to pop in as well, its only a matter of hanging around
> for couple of hours after work as i m just next doors.
>
> Dhaval
>
> On 25 Oct 2016 11:47, "Stevie Benton"  wrote:
>
>> Me too.  It's also listed on the Mozfest website as a  fringe event of
>> the festival.
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:32, "John Lubbock" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to try to make it. Anybody else?
>>>
>>> On 24 October 2016 at 21:07, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>>


 Seems like this will be a null event?

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/8

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mass image uploads expert

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Thanks Fae,

If this does come off and you have a residue of awkward to categorise ones
I might be available to sort them out if you can get them in a separate
temporary category. I helped WMIE with Wiki Loves monuments last year and
have nearly finshed the English residue of this years Wiki Loves Monuments.

On 14 October 2016 at 12:29, Fæ  wrote:

> Rod, I'd be happy to help with a call/video meeting, or to run the
> modest-sized batch upload when they are ready. The numbers mentioned
> may take just a day or two to upload. At this moment I'm the most
> active Commons uploader of GLAM media, the can see examples at
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Project_list
>
> As Jonathan implies, the upload itself may be a bit technically
> challenging, but is not especially intellectually challenging for the
> institution. The hard part is the early spadework; examining the
> collection and ensuring that the metadata is reliably consistent,
> working out how to do some auto-categorization without potentially
> 'spamming' Commons categories, that the best use is made of Commons
> templates by intelligently mapping metadata to fields, and that the
> various copyright scenarios are hammered out in advance.
>
> The last issue of copyright may be as simple as applying the
> no-copyright-known template, or it may need a bit of programmer magic
> to automatically map copyright licenses based on metadata, and weed
> out images that may be challenged under our strict Commons policies of
> there being "no significant doubt". It's better to have those
> discussions early, rather than have multiple deletion requests to
> manage downstream.
>
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> On 14 October 2016 at 09:15, Jonathan Cardy 
> wrote:
> > Fæ would be my first suggestion for a mass upload if he is available and
> the
> > collection is suitable. But reading through that link I'm not sure we can
> > use that collection. Apparently it was started forty years ago by a
> curator
> > who invited people to bring in historic photos and lend them to the
> museum
> > to make a copy.
> >
> > I'm sure that's fine for the Museum to use. But I wouldn't care to argue
> on
> > Commons that this constitutes a CC-BY-SA 3 licence for all those images.
> > Hopefully there will be a subset which can be dated early enough to argue
> > PD. Maybe there are some where the rights owner can be traced, but I'd
> > suspect there will be a lot of photographers from an era where some will
> > have died long enough ago to make it difficult to trace the heirs, and
> > others may even still be with us. At some point in the future no doubt we
> > can import the lot, provided a digital copy is still extant.
> >
> > Another reason why the movement needs a sealed repository from which
> stuff
> > can be migrated when it is out of copyright.
> >
> > Depending on the age range of the images and the quality of the metadata
> > there could be a useful proportion that would be safe to upload. It all
> > depends on the ratio of "my grandfather died in 1880 and left us this
> > collection" to "my grandfather died in 1980 and left us this collection".
> >
> >
> > WSC
> >
> >
> > On 14 Oct 2016, at 08:18,  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have just spotted an announcement of a historic photograph digitisation
> > project by the friends of the Somerset Life Museum Research Group (see
> > https://somersetrurallifemuseum.org.uk/2016/10/13/digitisation-project/
> )
> > aiming to digitise 15,000 images.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have made an initial contact asking about licencing and sharing and
> > mentioned “mass uploads” but I know very little about this. I believe
> there
> > have been some people who have done this for/with other GLAMS and/or
> > developed tools to handle this. Who would be the best person to put them
> in
> > touch with if they come back to me and they are willing to release under
> a
> > suitable licence?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rod
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[Wikimediauk-l] UK photography contest

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Dear all,

As a result of discussions at last Sunday's London meetup, and to take
advantage of a list created by Rich Farmbrough, I have started drafting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_Kingdom/photography_contest_2016

It hath a talkpage.

Hopefully we can finalise in the next three weeks and launch at the next
London Meetup https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/110

Apologies to any non Londoners who object to a London event planning
anything for the whole of the UK, but only the first draft emerged from the
meetup and things are yet changeable.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] I'm moving on!

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And its welcome back to volunteerdom from me too.

I was a pleasure to work with you, your new employers have gained more than
they might realise.

Jonathan

On 3 August 2016 at 15:57, Katie Chan  wrote:

> It was a pleasure working with you Richard. Thank you for all your hard
> work with Wikimedia UK over the years. Best wishes in your new job, and
> looking forward to seeing you around as a volunteer in future Wikimedia
> events.
>
> Katie
>
> On 03/08/2016 15:32, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I've worked for Wikimedia UK since just before we hired our first Chief
>> Executive, but it's time for me to hang up my "staff" hat. At the end of
>> August, I'll be leaving Wikimedia UK for a new role - still in London,
>> but doing something rather different, and with a fair bit more
>> responsibility. Those of you who are my friends will know what this new
>> job entails - I'd ask you to keep it to yourselves. To those of you who
>> don't, you're free to ask me on Facebook!
>>
>> I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at Wikimedia UK under both Jon and
>> Lucy. It's really something to see how the charity has changed over the
>> years - from a small, absurdly hopeful organisation with limitless
>> opportunities, to a larger, but more stable and more focused charity
>> with a solid track record of events and partnerships, and with what I
>> firmly believe to now be (post-governance-review) the best governance in
>> the movement.
>>
>> I have full confidence in the team of staff and volunteers here to keep
>> things moving forward, even if Richard Nevell does get overly focused on
>> castles from time to time. I'll be staying on as a volunteer, of course,
>> and I will probably focus my initial efforts on sending Richard Nevell
>> pictures of castles while he's working, which I'm pretty sure counts
>> towards our metrics.
>>
>> On a more productive note, highlights of my time here include:
>>
>>   * Learning to cycle in London (pictures not on Commons, although there
>> might be a video)
>>   * Our "Finance and Fundraising communal pickled onion jar", relabelled
>> "pickled fox" after went on the NHM Spirits Tour (pictures not on
>> Commons, except perhaps in the background)
>>   * The "Wikimedia UK does WLM" tour of an unlit Grade II listed
>> Victorian Public Convenience (pictures on Commons)
>>   * Driving Katherine Bavage to despair by uploading pictures of her to
>> Commons, and only then explaining what Commons is (I await the
>> inevitable deletion request from someone who takes this too seriously)
>>   * Participating in the Chutney Making from Waste Fruit and Vegetables
>> World Record Attempt, a World record attempt for amount of people
>> making chutney simultaneously (pictures not taken, too busy eating
>> chutney)
>>   * Wikimania 2014, which only those who served can
>> /truly/ understand (pictures on Commons, I imagine, although I tried
>> to avoid them)
>>
>> I wish everyone at Wikimedia UK - volunteers and staff - all the best,
>> especially Daria, who now holds the crown for "longest serving staff
>> member". Working at Wikimedia UK has been an enlightening experience,
>> but also a privilege, and something which I will never forget.
>>
>> {{Template:Witty sign-off}},
>>
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[Wikimediauk-l] An invitation to the Oak

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Dear all,

Yesterday's London meetup had at least fourteen people with three or four
new or newish faces.

We had four people who'd recently returned from Wikimania at Esino Lario in
Italy and they all gave some very positive feedback about the venue, the
event and much that happened there. For once the WMF related discussion was
all very positive with some hope for the new CEO and Chair.

Other discussion ranged from some possible events, and an update on what's
happened on wiki recently for a returnee who'd last been active in 2012,

Unusually for a London meetup, politics was also a significant topic at
least at one end of the table. As you'd expect of Londoners there were far
more Remainers than Brexiters, but for a post referendum discussion it was
quite nuanced with some people for whom it had been a complex decision, and
of course there was discussion about the On wiki impact unusually we
had British
stories in the traffic report!.


Our next London meetup is on Sunday the 14th of Augus
t. You would all be very
welcome

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[Wikimediauk-l] An invitation to London

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Hello everyone,

Last Sunday we had the 107th London meetup with about twenty people
including Alice, our new Wikimedian in Residence at the Wellcome Trust
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zeromonk>.

As well as the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons we had editors
active in Wikisource, Wikidata and the French Wikipedia.

Conversation ranged from meta matters like inclusionism and Wikimania to
how we can make better use of the 100,000 Wellcome images that Fae uploaded
to Commons. We also discussed beer, a photography contest and the reasons
why certain articles made the list of most read Wikipedia articles. Oh and
Rich gave me an impromptu lesson on AWB.

Next month's meeting is, as always, on the second Sunday of the month - Sunday
July the tenth <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/108>.

Hope to see some of you there.

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Another image request: Erinna

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Hi Charles,

I've put your photo request on the agenda for this Sunday's London meetup.
If anyone is in or near London this coming Sunday you would be very welcome
at the London meetup. We usually get a dozen or more people, the beer is
good and conversation diverse and interesting.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/107

Jonathan

On 8 June 2016 at 11:07, Charles Matthews 
wrote:

> A good example of Victorian sculpture:
>
>
> https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/aboutus/artcollectionandpicturegallery/whatson/eventarticles/womenshistorymontherinnasculpturetalk.aspx
>
> At Royal Holloway, and should be easy to photograph. My interest is having
> an example of Henry Stormonth Leifchild, the sculptor, on Commons - he's in
> the DNB.
>
> Charles
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] en.Wikipedia infobox : your help needed

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Hi Andy,

Are the other parameters the same?

Regards

Jonathan 


> On 16 Mar 2016, at 14:50, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> If anyone fancies a job, there are 513 transclusions of:
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_UK_feature
> 
> listed at:
> 
>   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=999&target=Template%3AInfobox+UK+feature&namespace=0
> 
> which should (almost if not) all be replaced with one of:
> 
> * {{Infobox body of water}}
> * {{Infobox river}}
> * {{Infobox rail line}}
> * {{Infobox park}}
> * {{Infobox building}}
> * {{Infobox museum}}
> * {{Infobox bridge}}
> * {{Infobox mountain}}
> * {{Infobox UK place}}
> * {{Infobox artwork}}
> * {{Infobox religious building}}
> * {{Infobox church}}.
> 
> or some other subject-specific template.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM location - please vote!

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I agree with the logic of rotating between London and elsewhere. However,
if you hold the AGM on the same weekend as the London meetup it would be
sensible to hold it in the same city.

On 18 March 2016 at 16:28, James Farrar  wrote:

> Until last year the venue had always alternated between London and
> not-London. It seems to me, therefore, that not-London is a priority for
> this year.
>
> On 18 March 2016 at 11:53, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> I have previously emailed regarding this year's AGM for Wikimedia UK,
>> which will be taking place on Saturday 9th July. This is the point where
>> new board members can stand for election and where members of the charity
>> have the opportunity to express their views, raise ideas or discuss issues,
>> either in the formal context of the AGM itself or informally throughout the
>> day. We would also like to maximise the opportunity of having a
>> (hopefully!) large group of Wikimedians together, to deliver training
>> and/or facilitate discussion and workshops. The day is for volunteers,
>> editors and members and so it will be essential to involve volunteers in
>> thinking about and planning these activities.
>>
>> Several volunteers and members have suggested that it would be good to
>> hold the meeting outside of London. Without having a real sense of the
>> extent to which location will impact on people's decision to attend, and
>> what people's preferences are, it's difficult to fix on a specific
>> location; but we do need to confirm the venue asap. I think for most people
>> (and I realise there will be exceptions), London or Birmingham are the best
>> options and are generally well-connected in terms of public transport. I
>> would therefore be very grateful if you could complete the doodle poll,
>> below, as this will give us a sense of the majority view - and also start
>> to give us an idea of potential numbers. I'm away on holiday next week but
>> plan to confirm the venue in early April.
>>
>> http://doodle.com/poll/222ebe9ypqdic47t
>>
>> Also, please do let me know if you'd be interested in helping to shape
>> the day as a volunteer!
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Lucy
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge Images Workshop 19 March

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Geocodes, ah yes, probably guilty there.

I read through the thing twice and clicked various links before deciding I
was going to have to ask what  the connection was between Kinlochleven.jpg
and genocide. And yes I agree that the whole thing is a bit too Geocodey
and dry - if anyone fancies improving it dont worry about it being in
userspace. Oh and trust me, if you get a newbie who is nervous about
changing an article, asking them to choose which picture to use and getting
them to transform articles with pictures is very empowering.

There's also pretty much zero risk of newbies getting edit conflicts or
being bitten by patrollers.

On 9 March 2016 at 16:36, Katherine Bavage 
wrote:

> Typo! But, also, yes lets not train newbies to add images of genocide :/
>
> Anyway, lets head off a debate about how much genocide is too
> much...thanks Jonathan, that's handy :)
>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 at 16:34 Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 09/03/16 16:32, Richard Symonds wrote:
>> > I think that word is "geocode", rather than genocide. But yes, if the
>> > word was genocide, then yes, that would be too genocidey.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge Images Workshop 19 March

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Coming from the opposite end of the scale,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/image_adding is an
exercise I've been building up and testing on newbies. It is based on some
lists from Rich Farmbrough and some sessions that Fabian and I ran.


WSC

On 9 March 2016 at 16:03, Katherine Bavage 
wrote:

> This looks fab - sorry I can't be there!
>
> Can you feedback how it goes/slides/what was useful because I led my first
> training session last weekend and I was already getting into image
> questions I couldn't answer and it would be good to have a few more
> introductory resources.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 at 15:17 Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Marvellous!
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
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>> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>
>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>>
>> On 4 March 2016 at 10:46, Charles Matthews <
>> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This event is confirmed, and basic details are on
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Cambridge_Images_Workshop_2016
>>>
>>> More about the programme is on the way. The first session will start at
>>> entry level, but will be looking at Commons in the round as well as the
>>> usual introduction to uploading; there will be hands-on work.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

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Well they definitely aren't adding either NC or ND, but they might be implying 
SA with all that sharing is caring stuff.

You could ask before migrating to wiki source, my guess is they are choosing 
CC-BY-SA

Regards

Jonathan / WereSpielChequers 


> On 29 Feb 2016, at 15:19, Richard Symonds  
> wrote:
> 
> So...
> 
> BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - 
> have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. 
> 
> You can read more at https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/diy-dog.
> 
> It's not entirely clear what "licence" they're using but they say:
> 
> "copy them, tear them to pieces, bastardise them, adapt them, but most of 
> all, enjoy them. They are well travelled but with plenty of miles still left 
> on the clock. Just remember to share your brews, and share your results. 
> Sharing is caring."
> 
> I guess "free as in beer" has a slightly different meaning now!
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Finding articles without photographs near your current location.

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Thanks Gordo, Andrew, Fabian and Lucy

I've now been told of another tool https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ which 
can show you articles near places you are planning to visit. 

So Fabian, wherever your dog decides to take you there are likely opportunities 
there as well!

WereSpielChequers


> On 16 Feb 2016, at 12:58, "leu...@fabiant.eu"  wrote:
> 
> Likewise I checked using BT broadband and the window of the room I am sitting 
> in is in the first photo!
> 
> Congratulations on a great tool, it gives me a couple of photos to take when 
> i walk the dog!
> 
> all the best
> 
> Fabian
> aka User:Leutha
> 
> 
>> On 16 February 2016 at 09:44 Andrew West  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 February 2016 at 09:38, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Best tried from a mobile device, rather than at home with an broadband
>>> connection? Last time I looked I was on the Isle of Grain!! Which I
>>> wasn't
>> 
>> Not necessarily. I just checked using my BT home broadband, and the
>> top item on the list is the local school, which it gives as 620m away
>> ... which is about correct! Very useful feature, which highlighted a
>> couple of local articles I was not aware of.
>> 
>> Andrew
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[Wikimediauk-l] Finding articles without photographs near your current location.

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I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby
which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it
is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.

Has anyone tried using this in outreach to photographers?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Hello! / University of Edinburgh editathon

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hi Ewan,

Sounds like a good event.

I might join you online on one of those days, and I've posted your invite
on WikiProject Medicine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#History_of_Medicine_Editathon_in_person_or_remote_participation_welcome

Regards


WereSpielChequers

On 13 February 2016 at 15:35, MCANDREW Ewan  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Apologies for cross posting!
>
>
>
> Just a short email to say hello as the new Wikimedian in Residence at the
> University of Edinburgh (January 2016 to January 2017) and to make you
> aware of the editathon session that the University of Edinburgh is running
> on Tuesday 16th February to Thursday 18th February which Sara Thomas and
> I are hosting at room LG.07 in the David Hume Tower Building, George
> Square, Edinburgh, EH8 9JX.
>
>
>
> The topic is on the History of Medicine on this occasion. It covers
> medical terms not currently covered on Wikipedia as well as historic
> Edinburgh locations which have played a large role in the history of
> medicine. It also broadens out to cover notable personages in the history
> of medicine such as the infamous Burke & Hare grave-robbers as well as the
> intriguing case of James Miranda Barry and continuing our work on those
> female pioneers of the medical profession such as ‘the Edinburgh 7’ whose
> stories continue to be under-represented on Wikipedia.
>
>
>
> There will be refreshments (inc. free lunch if you wish to edit in the
> morning and afternoon sessions), guest speakers, online materials to work
> with, physical materials to work with including, hopefully, the letter
> written in William Burke’s own blood. We’re also looking for some buildings
> associated with Edinburgh’s role in the history of medicine to be
> photographed and uploaded to Wikicommons. You can attend one day or
> multiple days (or just half a day) if you so desire. Either in person or
> remotely joining in. It’s open to all. You’d be very welcome.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Does anybody have a copy of Pevsner's London Volume 2?

[WereSpielChequers]

A Lutyens I would guess.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 2 Jan 2016, at 17:42, - -  wrote:
> 
> I'd imagine the many different editions of that book have different 
> paginations. You'd better check between you what building you are after. 
> 
> 
> 
> Johnbod
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Moving on

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Dear Stevie,

It was a pleasure working with you during my two years at WMUK.

My very best wishes for whatever you get up to next.

Jonathan

On 25 November 2015 at 13:39, Stevie Benton 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> It is with some sadness that I write to let you know that I have moved on
> to pastures new, and finished working for Wikimedia UK in the middle of
> September. I am sorry that I didn't write sooner but have been away on a
> much needed holiday.
>
> Over the last three and a half years I have had the pleasure and privilege
> to work with some incredible people, both staff and volunteers. Being able
> to support the free and open knowledge movement in a professional capacity
> has been exciting, tiring, empowering, stressful, and the most incredible
> experience of my professional life.
>
> Being able to make a contribution to this movement, for which I care
> deeply, has been an honour. I will continue to be involved as a volunteer,
> in the realms of communications, policy and advocacy.
>
> There are too many people who have made such a positive impact on me
> personally and professionally to be able to name and thank them all
> individually. However, I do want to say a special thanks to my outstanding
> colleagues at Wikimedia UK who are the most talented and hard working group
> of people I have ever worked with. I want to also thank the volunteers and
> staff I have worked with closely over the years as Head of External
> Relations, especially in the areas of movement communications, campaigning,
> educational & IP policy, and digital democracy.
>
> I've been lucky enough to meet, and work with, many smart and thoughtful
> people outside our movement and I hope that I've made a strong enough case
> for free and open knowledge for them to remain involved in this mission.
>
> I'd love to continue to hear from you all so do feel free to email me –
> stevie.d.ben...@gmail.com – or find me on Twitter or LinkedIn and thank
> you all once again for an amazing three and a half years.
>
> With thanks and regards,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Compare and contrast.

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Dear Gordo,

We've followed that convention for London meetups for years, but the vast
majority of attendees are from the English Wikipedia.

But when it comes to outreach events targeted at new or newish editors, it
just gets too confusing to get them off EN wikipedia. There are also
practical advantages, it gets them to confirmed status on EN wiki more
quickly, and without global watchlists multiple wikis are a complication
too far for most newbies.

More practically if you are going to have an event with a bunch of
potential articles listed they will only show up as redlinks if you are on
the same wiki.





On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 11/11/15 17:43, leu...@fabiant.eu wrote:
> > Please compare with:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TNA_editathon,_23_November_2015
> >
> > and
> >
> > https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/The_National_Archives_Editathon
> >
> >
> > Editathons need to be set up on the relevant wiki rater than the
> > Wikimedia UK, otherwise it is too complicated when people sign up.
>
> This has been a problem for a while (with Meetups).
>
> My opinion is that all events should be convened and recorded on "meta".
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London
>
> Some Meetups are not notable
>
> :-)
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

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Dear Mike,

I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing
Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non
computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an
inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help
Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps.

Jonathan

On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

[WereSpielChequers]

Part of the problem here is that statuses such as city, town and village don't 
always get taken away if a place declines in population or over the centuries 
doesn't grow as fast as other cities. Case in point, in the categorisation I've 
been doing on commons I occasionally come across abandoned villages or churches 
that no longer have a village. But not "hamlets that formerly were villages".

Regards

Jonathan 


> On 14 Sep 2015, at 08:09, Rod Ward  wrote:
> 
> Lester,
> 
> I don't think defining hamlet v village by size of population is useful. 
> Hamlet (place) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(place)#United_Kingdom ) 
> under UK explores the difference the difference between civil parish and 
> ecclesiastical parish and uses the traditional "settlement without a church".
> 
> Another complication is the division between village and town (complicated by 
> legislation allowing parish councils to adopt the term town council). An 
> example local to me is the ongoing debate (slow edit war) between Cheddar, 
> Somerset a village with a population of 5,755 and Axbridge a town with a 
> population of 2,057.
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
> [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lester Caine
> Sent: 14 September 2015 00:16
> To: talk...@openstreetmap.org; UK Wikimedia mailing list
> Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Village, Hamlet and populations ...
> 
> I'm currently working around the area trying to get all the local places 
> cross referenced properly. I've got The 2012 Index of Places from the ONS 
> which has a supposedly complete set of places, but I've been hitting a number 
> of problems which I think I've finally sussed.
> 
> The OSM wiki defines 'hamlet' as less than 100-200 people, but village 
> supposedly starts at 1000 up to 1 with the proviso that it depends on the 
> country. Ideally the two would perhaps meet :) We are perhaps looking at a 
> population of around 8000 for a town designation in the UK, but anything down 
> to 100 is still classified as a village by the ONS.
> What are actually missing from the OSN data are ANY hamlets despite their 
> claiming to include them.
> 
> My first exercise was to add links on the OSM data to the wikipedia entry for 
> each village, and there is a small list of miss matches which I'm trying to 
> sort out. However when cross referencing the population data reported by 
> wikipedia quoting the 2011 census, but what that fails to account for is that 
> only provides totals for the whole parish, which may have more than one 
> hamlet/village. The IOP data contains the 'BUA'
> population for the villages, but omits the rest of the hamlets that make up 
> the parish/ward.
> 
> The IOP data is released under the Open Government Licence V2 so I see no 
> problem using it in OSM or Wikipedia? I think what we are still looking for 
> is a consistent list of hamlets to work from to fill in the gaps? The IOP 
> data was supposed to be updated annually, but it seems only annual updates 
> are currently being generated.
> 
> To add to the fun, the six digit codes I've been using for LLPG data for many 
> years have been replaced by a 9 digit code. While the 6 digit code had a nice 
> three level structure, the 9 digit code has lost the third layer, but these 
> still only go down to the ward/parish level. There is still no ID for the 
> town/village :(
> 
> And Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate data sets ...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikimediaUKblue mobile internet device

[WereSpielChequers]

I've sent what I remember being the password offlist, can I suggest any
other serious guesses go off list until Chris indicates on list that he has
it working.




On 8 September 2015 at 20:02, Chris McKenna  wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I'm currently borrowing the white mifi mobile internet device, which
> broadcasts the network name "WikimediaUKblue". Unfortunately I don't know
> the password for it - it isn't the same as the black mifi I've used
> previously. I've tried the obvious passwords ("wikipedia", "wikimediaUK",
> etc) to no avail.
>
> Does anyone here know the correct password?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
> 
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>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lists of public art in UK counties and cities

[WereSpielChequers]

We have quite a few UK public sculptures on commons, especially as a result of 
the geograph import. Would it be possible to use a program to start such lists 
on Wikipedia based on categories on commons?

You could exclude anything in subcategories under museum or church if you want 
to narrow this down to stuff in the open air.

And once the lists are built you might have something that could be auto loaded 
into wikidata.

Side note to the copyright/FOP experts; does permanent public display mean it 
has to stay in the same place and can't be moved even a few yards?

Regards

Jonathan 


> On 27 Aug 2015, at 16:21, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> This is already attracting new editors to Wikipedia. Show me the
> initiative which is bringing them into Wikidata similarly.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 August 2015 at 15:10, Magnus Manske  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> if each of these artworks had a Wikidata item, lists could be generated as a
>> "by-product", in addition to all the possible queries etc.
>> 
>> Putting data into templates to show on Wikipedia pages is neither vegetable,
>> animal, or mineral. The worst solution to store this data, IMHO, in 2015.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Magnus
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:23 PM Andy Mabbett 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We need more articles listing public art in United Kingdom counties,
>>> cities or towns.
>>> 
>>> I've written a blog post about how to compile them:
>>> 
>>>   http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
>>> 
>>> and would be grateful if you would all assist, and ask others to do so.
>>> 
>>> Once a page is created, adding a row should be something a novice an
>>> easily do. More experienced Wikipedians can help with tidying up
>>> formatting, adding references, and so on. As well as adding artworks
>>> known to you, of course!
>>> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] You are invited to the Royal Opera House

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi, we are holding an outreach type editathon at the Royal Opera House on
the 5/6th September and have some places for experienced Wikipedians.


Would you like to join us?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetups/UK/Royal_Opera_House_September_2015


Regards

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Photo contests (was visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons)

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Thanks Mike,

I've trawled through those that aren't schools, found some good photos on
either Commons or the Geograph so the list is quite a bit shorter
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Greater_Manchester>,
but I've left the schools as, well that's really not my bag.

Anyone else want to adopt an English county?

Jonathan

On 12 August 2015 at 21:23, Michael Peel  wrote:

> With WLM: I was hoping that this would take place again this year,
> particularly since it's been so successful in the past. Perhaps it could
> focus on quality photos rather than quantity if we have reasonably
> comprehensive coverage of listed structures now? Or perhaps we could think
> of a new topic for such a photography competition - perhaps we could focus
> on statues, new buildings, ships, or something else? I guess it depends on
> what else might have a standardised listing available. I'd be interested in
> volunteering to help, particularly with the on-wiki infrastructure side of
> things, but I definitely wouldn't be able to take a lead.
>
> With requested photos: thanks WSC for the offer! I'd be happy to adopt the
> Greater Manchester county, and to do my best to photograph the requested
> locations if they don't already have available photographs.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 12 Aug 2015, at 16:32, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
>
> I have been going through the not particularly useful category Wikipedia
> requested photographs in the United Kingdom
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_the_United_Kingdom>
> removing some that are done, doing a few either via commons or by importing
> them from the Geograph, and most importantly moving a lot of them down to
> the much more useful level of nation or in England to County.
>
> So if you fancy taking a few photos and putting them  on Wikipedia  we
> probably have some current requests near you!
>
> Anyone fancy adopting a county? First couple to call for help I will go
> through the requests for that county next week and pick off any I can
> import from the Geograph, which should make it a bit more practical to do
> the rest (offer excludes London, Scotland and Wales due to them being too
> big).
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 12 August 2015 at 10:45, Stevie Benton 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Edward, everyone,
>>
>> If there's a volunteer willing to take the lead on Monuments then we can
>> offer a little logistical support. However, the volunteers that delivered
>> it last year said it was an enormous amount of work and don't have the
>> time. If you would like to lead on it then we can help, although time is
>> very short at this point.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>> On 12 August 2015 at 10:35, Ed Hand  wrote:
>>
>>> Are we taking part in Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
>>> No mention of the UK here:
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries
>>>
>>> best wsihes
>>> Edward
>>>
>>> On 10 August 2015 at 16:43, WereSpielChequers <
>>> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since
>>>> the speed up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I
>>>> suspect that will be especially true for anyone editing large articles as
>>>> V/E's still lacks section editing.
>>>>
>>>> I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I
>>>> sometimes do is add images to articles and with the classic editor you
>>>> usually have the pain of having to check the template documentation to find
>>>> out what the parameters are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious
>>>> reason these parameters are unlikely to be "image" and "caption"). V/E is
>>>> actually quite intuitive here in allowing you to run through the unused
>>>> parameters of the infobox.
>>>>
>>>> Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking
>>>> options that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm
>>>> sure at some point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the
>>>> contents of a cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to
>>>> a newbie and far less intuitive than using the classic editor.
>>>>
>>>> Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven'

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Photo contests (was visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons)

[WereSpielChequers]

I have been going through the not particularly useful category Wikipedia
requested photographs in the United Kingdom
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_the_United_Kingdom>
removing some that are done, doing a few either via commons or by importing
them from the Geograph, and most importantly moving a lot of them down to
the much more useful level of nation or in England to County.

So if you fancy taking a few photos and putting them  on Wikipedia  we
probably have some current requests near you!

Anyone fancy adopting a county? First couple to call for help I will go
through the requests for that county next week and pick off any I can
import from the Geograph, which should make it a bit more practical to do
the rest (offer excludes London, Scotland and Wales due to them being too
big).

Regards

Jonathan

On 12 August 2015 at 10:45, Stevie Benton 
wrote:

> Hello Edward, everyone,
>
> If there's a volunteer willing to take the lead on Monuments then we can
> offer a little logistical support. However, the volunteers that delivered
> it last year said it was an enormous amount of work and don't have the
> time. If you would like to lead on it then we can help, although time is
> very short at this point.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Stevie
>
> On 12 August 2015 at 10:35, Ed Hand  wrote:
>
>> Are we taking part in Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
>> No mention of the UK here:
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries
>>
>> best wsihes
>> Edward
>>
>> On 10 August 2015 at 16:43, WereSpielChequers <
>> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since
>>> the speed up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I
>>> suspect that will be especially true for anyone editing large articles as
>>> V/E's still lacks section editing.
>>>
>>> I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I
>>> sometimes do is add images to articles and with the classic editor you
>>> usually have the pain of having to check the template documentation to find
>>> out what the parameters are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious
>>> reason these parameters are unlikely to be "image" and "caption"). V/E is
>>> actually quite intuitive here in allowing you to run through the unused
>>> parameters of the infobox.
>>>
>>> Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking
>>> options that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm
>>> sure at some point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the
>>> contents of a cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to
>>> a newbie and far less intuitive than using the classic editor.
>>>
>>> Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't
>>> yet been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is
>>> prompting me with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki
>>> data links, keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it
>>> the images it has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.
>>>
>>> Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had
>>> very little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for
>>> educators knowing how to look at the contributions of a student is
>>> important. I think that V/E would be a better entry point for technophobes
>>> whilst clearly the classic editor is better for the technoscenti. How you
>>> recruit one or other group for an editathon without stereotyping is an
>>> interesting conundrum. If you have access to a large mailing list of people
>>> who might be interested then you could do two sorts of sessions, one
>>> emphasising that this was Wikipedia editing for anyone, especially people
>>> who tried it in the past and found it technically arcane. Another promising
>>> a session led by a "power user" showing how to be an effective editor on
>>> Wikipedia perhaps billed as "this session is suitable for anyone with any
>>> programming experience, however rusty or archaic".
>>>
>>> Alternatively if you have a good ratio of experienced editors to newbies
>>> you can guard people and show them the editor most suitable for them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 9 A

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

[WereSpielChequers]

I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since the speed 
up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I suspect that will 
be especially true for anyone editing large articles as V/E's still lacks 
section editing.

I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I sometimes do 
is add images to articles and with the classic editor you usually have the pain 
of having to check the template documentation to find out what the parameters 
are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious reason these parameters are 
unlikely to be "image" and "caption"). V/E is actually quite intuitive here in 
allowing you to run through the unused parameters of the infobox.

Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking options 
that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm sure at some 
point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the contents of a 
cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to a newbie and far 
less intuitive than using the classic editor.

Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't yet 
been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is prompting me 
with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki data links, 
keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it the images it 
has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.

Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had very 
little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for educators knowing 
how to look at the contributions of a student is important. I think that V/E 
would be a better entry point for technophobes whilst clearly the classic 
editor is better for the technoscenti. How you recruit one or other group for 
an editathon without stereotyping is an interesting conundrum. If you have 
access to a large mailing list of people who might be interested then you could 
do two sorts of sessions, one emphasising that this was Wikipedia editing for 
anyone, especially people who tried it in the past and found it technically 
arcane. Another promising a session led by a "power user" showing how to be an 
effective editor on Wikipedia perhaps billed as "this session is suitable for 
anyone with any programming experience, however rusty or archaic".

Alternatively if you have a good ratio of experienced editors to newbies you 
can guard people and show them the editor most suitable for them.

Regards

Jonathan


> On 9 Aug 2015, at 01:03, Richard Farmbrough  wrote:
> 
> I guess when it is sufficiently fast that I don't have time to hit "edit 
> source" instead before it loads, I will start using it on other projects.  
> Until then, a good character editor beats a good WIMPS editor - pity it's not 
> a good character editor.
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[Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

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If anyone is still running outreach editathons to try and recruit new editors, 
you might want to consider using visual editor. I spoke to some of the WMF 
people at Wikimania and apparently the issue of it running very very slowly on 
old kit has recently been largely addressed. I've pointed out in the past that 
as long as that bug was a "won't fix" you couldn't promote Visual Editor at 
outreach editathons because even if all the laptops look pretty new, there 
could well be someone present using a borrowed laptop and intending to use an 
old PC at home. Since we really can't start an editathon asking the attendees 
if they all use new computers at home, and then reverting to the classic editor 
if someone says their machine was bought in 2010 I and several others have been 
ignoring the Visual Editor for the last couple of years.

I have just run a quick test on this myself using a friend's old PC and V/E 
does now work, though it is still a little slower than the classic editor.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Exeter workshop this Weds 15th July

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Hi Rod,

Sorry I am not around on Wednesday, but happy to give some remote support 
before then.

One limitation you will probably hit is the number of Accounts that can be 
created on one IP address in one day. You can reduce that risk by having 
multiple IPs, by asking attendees to create an account in advance or by 
creating accounts for them. I would be happy to give either you or Andy the 
Account creator right if you want it, that isn't as newbie friendly as being 
able to create accounts themselves, but it bypasses that throttle.

The other throttles I can help with are that newbies are liable to face a 
capcha when they try to add links, and if you structure your workshop in such a 
way that you get to say "all hit enter now" you will find that six newbies 
successfully edit and the rest get their edit throttled. Both can be mitigated 
by setting participants as confirmed users  - email me any user names you learn 
in advance and I can sort that out for you.

Regards

Jonathan


> On 12 Jul 2015, at 20:21, Rod Ward  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This Wednesday (15th July) I will be doing (with help from Andy Dingley) a 
> workshop at the University of Exeter for web and comms staff from several 
> universities – see https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Exeter_University_July_2015 
> for details.
> 
> I will try to add to that page the usernames of participants and any articles 
> edited during the day. If anyone had any time and could help to monitor, 
> advise and guide the participants remotely that would be great.
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Advice re wp workshop - COI, BLP & ? Paid editing

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Whilst I agree and gave exactly that advice yesterday to someone who then wrote 
a review of an article on a talkpage explaining where her publication 
contradicted it, another editor promptly responded with the suggestion that of 
course she didn't have a COI and she should amend the article citing her own 
work.

We need to be frank about the differing interpretations of COI in the community.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 16 Apr 2015, at 02:17, Joe Filceolaire  wrote:
> 
> The first rule of COI editing is DON'T
> 
> If an article really needs to be changed then post a comment on the talk page 
> then ask for help on the COI noticeboard
> 
> IMO no new editor should try anything more complicated than that
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2015 00:33, "Richard Symonds"  
>> wrote:
>> I'll get someone to drop you an email or call with advice tomorrow Rod, 
>> notwithstanding Andy's (welcome) advice!
>> 
>>> On 15 Apr 2015 20:48, "Rod Ward"  wrote:
>>> I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and 
>>> would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around 
>>> Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid 
>>> editing.
>>> 
>>> This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are 
>>> web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south 
>>> west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics 
>>> from their institutions (eg 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter
>>>  )
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be 
>>> held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied 
>>> into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an 
>>> email to Richard – but have not had any response from any of them
>>> 
>>> I have looked at:
>>> 
>>> ·   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
>>> 
>>> ·   
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons
>>> 
>>> ·   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
>>> 
>>> 
>>> and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any 
>>> advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond 
>>> basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the 
>>> participants to engage with.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

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There has certainly been a shift to Facebook in that time and possibly to 
Twitter and maybe the specialist sublists like tech and I think education. I'm 
not sure I approve of all of that both for open source reasons and because it 
excludes the pseudonymous amongst us. But it has certainly happened, hopefully 
in the most part with specialised discussions now taking place in specialist 
areas.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 22 Feb 2015, at 00:09, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Fæ  wrote:
>> I thought it would be interesting to share a summary I just pulled
>> from the database of how many posts per month the WikimediaUK list had
>> over the last 3 years. In this period the average numbers have
>> declined and now they are at 30% or possibly 20% of what they were in
>> 2012.
> 
> Has there been an increase in wiki activity over the same period?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimania-l] New member signups at Wikimania

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Hi Andy,

I don't know the total, and we may not have finalised things yet as we are 
still recruiting from people who got involved at Wikimania and are now working 
out how to stay involved. The two I have personally signed up were both 
immediately after Wikimania. I assume you are interested in the whole Wikimania 
related spike, not just those we collared in the barbican?

I can see that this is going to be of interest to both this list, especially 
the Mexico bid team, and of course the Wikimedia UK list. It would also be 
interesting to get feedback from earlier wikimania teams as to what worked for 
them. 

As well as many regulars, Wikimania 2014 attracted a large and enthusiastic 
group of additional volunteers who we have an opportunity to try and engage 
with. Apparently most of them were in a particular Facebook group and we have 
already reached out to them there with invitations to both an Editathon and a 
campus ambassador training session. We will be doing more plugs there for WLM 
etc, any experience from previous wikimanias or indeed Facebook campaigners 
gratefully received. 


Regards

Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)


> On 13 Aug 2014, at 11:13, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> How many new Wikimedia UK members did we sign up, at Wikimania?
> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Editathon 2pm 12th August

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Dear all,

You are invited to an Editathon at the Zoological Society of London on Tuesday 
afternoon next week.

https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ZSL_London_Zoo_Library_editathon_12_August_2014

regards

Jonathan Cardy

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[Wikimediauk-l] Know how to manipulate an Xml database? Want to learn how the new mass upload tool works

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Greetings Wikimanians and Wikimedians in the UK.,

User Fae is running a session at 2pm tomorrow
<https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_upload_training> to cover
the technical practicalities of using the new mass upload tool.

Fae <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae> is one of the expert
users of the mass upload tool and a member of the steering group that
commissioned it.

This session will cover an adhoc informal demonstration and discussion /
Q&A workshop.


This event is part of a series re the Mass upload tool, and covers how to
use the mass upload tool. There will be other sessions that cover issues
such as Copyright.


Click here to register
<https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_upload_training>


Regards


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimania-l] Bring your old broken laptops to Wikimania!

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Hi Harry,

I have an old netbook (the one I took to Wikimania Buenos Aires) which has 
stopped picking up WiFi and a fairly new Samsung Chromebook with a dodgy 
mousepad. Does your computer repairer have some guidelines as to how old kit 
can be before it ceases to be worth fixing? and if it is to be repaired and 
passed on will they overwrite the hard drive with blanks to ensure nothing on 
it can be recovered?

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 28 Jul 2014, at 20:08, Chris McKenna  wrote:
> 
> From what I have read about these new rules, it seems that they apply only to 
> hand luggage so a broken laptop in your luggage case would seem OK (why you'd 
> want a broken laptop with you on a flight I'm not sure anway!).
> 
> It will be worth checking with a more authorative source than me if you plan 
> on doing this though.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Ellie Young wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Patricio Lorente  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know the English word for "aguafiestas",
>> 
>> wet blanket
>> 
>>> but anyway: in the security checks at the airports, if you can't turn on 
>>> your laptop, they may confiscate it and you are going to have a bad time. 
>>> Be careful with that.
>> 
>> Indeed.To be more specific, here are the new rules at the UK airports:
>> 
>> New Security Rules for the UK: A new security crackdown announced recently 
>> by the UK
>> Government means that all passengers flying INTO or OUT of the UK must 
>> ensure all
>> electronic devices being carried in hand luggage are sufficiently charged to 
>> be turned on. US
>> officials ordered some overseas airports with direct flights to the US, 
>> including Heathrow and
>> Manchester, to step up screening of electronic devices, such as mobile 
>> phones, laptops, shavers
>> and cameras. Any devices that can't be turned on might be confiscated.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>Patricio
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2014-07-28 15:18 GMT-03:00 HJ Mitchell :
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> One of our volunteers asked me to put out a call for broken laptops. If you 
>>> have a broken laptop and you want somebody to help you fix it or you just 
>>> want to see it recycled, please bring it along to Wikimania!
>>> 
>>> I imagine lots of us will have broken laptops knocking around, and this 
>>> could be a great opportunity to bring them back to life or to recycle them 
>>> properly.
>>> 
>>> So we have an idea of demand, please email me off-list if you're interested.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 3D file formats.

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Thanks Geni,  would you be OK with that being copied to a discussion page on 
commons or meta?

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 17 Jul 2014, at 20:14, geni  wrote:
> 
> I can't remember who asked about this at the London meetup but options are:
> 
> 
> .X3D seems to be trying to become the web standard. We would want to modify 
> it a bit to support our preferred video and audio formats.
> 
> .blend Native file format of blender 3D rendering software. Covered by 
> various versions of GPL. They also make films. The latest, Tears of Steel, is 
> not on commons because even the low res versions clock in at over 300MB. The 
> 4K version is a bit over 6GB. In any case their films can be found on the 
> usual video sites.
> 
> .Blend would perhaps be best treated as a raw data format with the renderings 
> exported to something else. On the other hand blender is probably the most 
> powerful free and open source tool for 3d work.
> 
> From the 3D printing world we have .STL and .AMF. If supporting printable 
> objects is our prime interest they would be the way to go.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Kings Cross event

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Editing from a bobsleigh could be an interesting test of our mobile Wifi


On 18 June 2014 16:21, Chris McKenna  wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Charles Matthews wrote:
>
>  I think you have just invented the sledgathon, aka wreckshop ...
>>
>>
> A sledgeathon just gives me the mental image of trying to edit Wikipedia
> while hurting down an icy track in a bobsleigh. I'm not certain this would
> be successfull.
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] West Midlands Police Museum editathon

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Great news Andy, how limited are the numbers?


On 10 February 2014 15:21, Richard Symonds  wrote:

> It's in Spark Hill, which is well-known for, ah, police related incidents.
>
> Andy: I for one would love to attend - I will see if I'm free.
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
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>
>
> On 10 February 2014 14:39, Stevie Benton 
> wrote:
>
>> Please, please tell me the museum is located at 999 Letsby Avenue...
>>
>>
>> On 10 February 2014 14:36, Richard Symonds <
>> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> What's going on 'ere then?
>>>
>>> Richard Symonds
>>> Wikimedia UK
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 February 2014 14:32, Jon Davies wrote:
>>>
 Hello, hello, hello!


 On 10 February 2014 14:29, Andy Mabbett wrote:

> I have organised an editathon, in conjunction with the West Midlands
> Police, at the West Midlands Police Museum in Birmingham, on 15 March.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/WM_Police_Museum
>
> It's a small venue, not usually open to the public, with a very
> interesting collection of objects and archives. There will be good
> opportunities for photographers.
>
> Places are limited, due to the museum's small size.
>
> I hope to see you there.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC open licences voice samples from radio programmes: 'Speakerthon' event invitation

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Wow, great project Andy, thanks for doing this. I've added that we have
laptops available  - there are several London volunteers who only come to
events where we supply laptops.

Regards


On 14 November 2013 16:04, Stevie Benton wrote:

> I'm more than happy to help with publicity Andy. Let's have a discussion
> offlist and I'll do whatever I can to help you fill the place.
>
> Stevie
>
>
> On 14 November 2013 15:42, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
>> On 14 November 2013 14:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks; at this stage, publicity, please. Can the event be added to
>>> the list on the WMUK website?
>>>
>>>
>> Done
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tomorrow: 31 October

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi  Dan,

No not hiding from you, you are top of the list of volunteers we were
hoping would help us by moving sacks of Yorkshire tea, beanbags and our
fine collection of pot plants from one side of the building to the other.


On 30 October 2013 16:49, Deskana  wrote:

> You're moving to hide from me because I said I'd be visiting, aren't you?
> :-p
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 30 October 2013 15:32, Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I should let you know that the UK chapter will be moving offices (in the
>> same building) tomorrow, as well as lots of staff being at a conference, as
>> well as it being quarter end, and as well as interviewing management
>> accountants. All in all, it will be a busy day.
>>
>> There is, therefore, a slight chance that emails and phone calls will not
>> be answered - although we'll try our best. If there's anything urgent, and
>> you can't get a reply, my mobile number is 07803 505 172.
>>
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
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>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
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>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More "Wiki Takes …" events in September for WLM ?

[WereSpielChequers]

OK Michael,

 I've started http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organizing_a_Wiki_takes_event -
this links to the commons one, but has some specific stuff for the UK such
as our ability to supply mobile WiFi for events.


On 27 August 2013 16:59, Michael Maggs  wrote:

> Jonathon
>
> That generic page is a good start, but it would be nice to have an even
> simpler page on WMUK explaining how to organize something really informal
> for WLM, and perhaps giving a WMUK contact email for further help (if
> possible).
>
> I’m really looking for something that I can link to from this page:
> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/?page_id=42
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:22, Jonathan Cardy wrote:
>
> Thanks Lodewijk,
>
> Yes that's what I was looking for.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan Cardy
> GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM 
> (Galeriau,
> Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!)
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0990
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> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>
>
> Press Enter to send your message.
>
>
> On 27 August 2013 12:38, Lodewijk  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jonathan,
>>
>> to avoid duplication, could you take a look at
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Organizing_a_Wiki_takes
>>  and
>> see if that is what you're looking for? If you're missing something,
>> perhaps that could be improved, and other countries could use that as well.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>>
>> 2013/8/27 Jonathan Cardy 
>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>> Do you think you could write a checklist/guide for organising such
>>> events? That might make it more attractive for others to do this, and maybe
>>> prompt some volunteers.
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cardy
>>> GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser/Trefnydd GLAM 
>>> (Galeriau,
>>> Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!)
>>> Wikimedia UK
>>> 0207 065 0990
>>>
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>>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
>>> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
>>> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>>
>>> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>>>
>>>
>>> Press Enter to send your message.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 August 2013 12:58, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
>>>
 I'm happy to help with logistics if anybody is interested but put off
 by lack of time or experience.

 Also, registration for Chester is still open, please see
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester.

 Thanks,

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

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 *Sent:* Friday, 23 August 2013, 12:50
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More "Wiki Takes …"
 events in September for WLM ?

 It would certainly be nice to have another one to bookend the
 competition. I approached User:Hassocks... to see if he was interested in
 organising one in Sussex, but he's away for most of September.

 Somewhere outside London might be nice, ideally urban and historic so
 that there are enough listed buildings clustered in one place. And of
 course a volunteer.

 We could perhaps ask Rod Ward, but his neck of the woods is pretty well
 covered and he's put in a lot of hard work getting the lists into shape.
 Clem Rutter is based in Rochester, but I don't know if he has experience of
 organising events. Mark MacDonald is based at Lancaster University. Perhaps
 we could ask if he could get students involved in a Wiki Takes... event?


 On 23 August 2013 12:42, Michael Maggs  wrote:

 Harry Mitchell is running a Wiki Takes Chester event on 7th September. (
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester)

 Is anyone able to run another local event in September that could pull
 people in to the Wiki Loves Monuments competition?

 Michael

 See:  http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings

[WereSpielChequers]

Nice work, but as the WLM images will be going onto Coommons you also need
a column for the relevant commons category,  otherwise how are you going to
correctly categorise the uploaded images?

Jonathan

On 19 June 2013 19:41, Katie Chan  wrote:

> No, splitting it into multiple lists as it exist now are perfectly fine.
>
>
> On 19 June 2013 17:42, Rod Ward  wrote:
>
>> Hi Katie,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks – I guess I will be going through the Somerset ones when I get
>> some time.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does it matter that a county (ie Somerset) has too many entries to fit on
>> one list?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Katie Chan [mailto:katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk]
>> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 17:21
>> *To:* Rod Ward
>> *Cc:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list; Wikimediauk-l
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Unless as a research project, someone go through every entries to see
>> what each particular listing covers and count manually, no one have the
>> answer to how many independent buildings or structures are listed. That's
>> why the heritage organisations talks about listed building entries instead,
>> which is also how I counted Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The template for England is particular crude and in need of improvement.
>> The headers are chosen based on what headers are on the various existing
>> lists so that changing to templates don't lose us any existing information.
>> Some of the headers, such as architect and date listed could probably do
>> with being made optional. I'll see about doing that unless someone beat me
>> to it. The UID (or HB number) field is essential for WLM as tagging an
>> upload with that is how we know an upload on Commons is eligible for the
>> competition so yes, that would need to be added. With the number, we can
>> also link directly to each individual entries page on English Heritage
>> (likewise for Scotland & Northern Ireland), instead of say Images of
>> England or some other website. The templates don't actually currently have
>> a separate column for references as I was having a little problem with
>> making template variables work inside a  tag. I guess the solution
>> will be having to do it manually. Again, unless someone beat me to it, I'll
>> add that sometime.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On 19 June 2013 16:12, Rod Ward  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Katie,
>>
>>  
>>
>> This looks as if you have done a tremendous amount of work.
>>
>>  
>>
>> However I have some questions..
>>
>> When I created
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Somerset and
>> its 7 sub lists I was asked “How many listed buildings are there” as part
>> of various review processes - & even having studied all the source I can
>> find for year I can mot answer that. In Bath whole streets (of 30-50
>> buildings) can be under one listing and yet in other examples the house may
>> be one listing, the walls several more and the fountain a listing on its
>> own. Therefore what figure should be put in the first “number” column on
>> the tracking table?
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> If a list created some years ago (eg
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset)
>> has references for each one which use Images of England, and was completed
>> before the National heritage list was available are you asking for an extra
>> column to be added with the NHLE Unique ID number?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Do we need to include columns for architect and date list?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* wlm2013-l-boun...@wikimedia.org.uk [mailto:
>> wlm2013-l-boun...@wikimedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Katie Chan
>> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 15:11
>> *To:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list
>> *Cc:* Wikimediauk-l
>> *Subject:* [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> One of the task that needs to be completed for WLM to happen is to have
>> exhaustive lists of all eligible listed buildings on Wikipedia, using
>> appropriately formed templates instead of wiki tables directly. To get
>> everyone going, I have created the templates[1], which everyone is of
>> course encouraged to improve.
>>
>>  
>>
>> In terms of the actual lists themselves, I have created a tracking
>> table[2] so that everyone can see where we are and where work needs to be
>> done. All the columns should be fairly self explanatory, aside from the one
>> on images which is intended to track when someone has searched through
>> Commons & Wikipedia for existing images and added them to the respective
>> list.
>>
>> Except for Wales, where lists didn't exist before, you can navigate to
>> the existing lists from [3]. As you can see, I have made a start on at
>> least one counties per countries so that everyone can see what I envisage
>> them looking like[4]. You can find a copy of the source dat

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Funding Opportunity: Google launch the Global Impact Challenge

[WereSpielChequers]

On 26 March 2013 13:55, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 26 March 2013 08:45, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
> > Taking things to the logical next step, we could introduce a system of
> > hidden templates to resolve words with multiple meanings such as bonnet,
> > bolt, batter, tramp or pants. As well as transforming the quality of
> machine
> > translation of the pedia, this would also make it easier to offer people
> a
> > choice as to which version of English they view Wikipedia in.
>
> I've tried to introduce this previously, for example for species names
> ("Parus major" should not become "Parus mayor", when the
> English-language page it's on is translated into German.
>
> The template was deleted:
> <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_September_16#Template:Biota
> >
>
> There's a version in my userspace if you wish to examine it:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Template:biota>
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I think that one key enabling change here will be the visual editor. Once
we can edit without seeing templates then maybe the community will accept
an increased use of templates, especially ones that work behind the scenes
and aren't visible to the reader.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Funding Opportunity: Google launch the Global Impact Challenge

[WereSpielChequers]

Making the English Wikipedia more accessible to non-English speakers is a
worthy objective and something which we could easily make a big difference
to. Currently the main route for non-English speakers to access EN wiki is
via Google translate and similar online translation services. If Google
were willing to work with us, we could make an easy and uncontentious
difference to that by getting lists of translation anomalies and where
practical amending the Wikipedia article. I've been doing this on a small
scale for years working my way though easily confused words like
staring/starring and cavalry/calvary. It is now far less common to have
Wikipedia articles about actors staring in particular movies or calvary
armies charging into battle, and as for the throwing of discusses I've
abolished an entire Olympic sport. My understanding of translation software
is that it works on a probability basis, so if we were to get lists of
articles and phrases on EN wiki that a particular translation software
finds to be ambiguous and can only give a borderline probability to, we
should be able to identify a lot of ambiguities and errors on EN wiki;.
Fixing these would benefit all editors but particularly those who depend on
translation software.

Taking things to the logical next step, we could introduce a system of
hidden templates to resolve words with multiple meanings such as bonnet,
bolt, batter, tramp or pants. As well as transforming the quality of
machine translation of the pedia, this would also make it easier to offer
people a choice as to which version of English they view Wikipedia in.

Working in the opposite direction would be more contentious due to
licensing, in fact I doubt we could help any translation software improve
its own code unless they had a compatible license. I'd also be loathe to
see us work with one set of machine translation software in a way that gave
them an advantage over their competitord

WSC

On 25 March 2013 21:43, rexx  wrote:

> The most impact that we could realise on a global scale would be to make
> the knowledge in the English Wikipedia available to people who don't speak
> English. £500,000 and Google technical support would go a long way to
> realising some of that goal.
>
> As the largest established chapter in the English-speaking world, the onus
> should probably fall on us to coordinate an effort of that sort.
>
> Thoughts?
> --
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 25 March 2013 12:20, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
>> I agree, it is interesting and we do desperately need to diversify our
>> revenue. Do we have any suitable projects we've been wanting to run
>> but haven't due to lack of funds, though? Funds haven't really been
>> our limiting factor.
>>
>> The VLE work might be suitable, but I doubt Google would consider it
>> interesting enough (it's useful, but it isn't really transformative).
>>
>> Coming up with new projects specifically to apply for a particular
>> grant is generally a bad idea.
>>
>> On 25 March 2013 10:21, Jon Davies  wrote:
>> >
>> > Interesting
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Jon,
>> >
>> > Today Google launched the Global Impact Challenge. Over the past few
>> > months ACEVO has been working very closely with Google and think that
>> this
>> > game-changing award will celebrate the innovative work happening within
>> the
>> > sector. So we are inviting charities and voluntary organisations to
>> showcase
>> > how they would use technology to transform the lives of their
>> beneficiaries.
>> > The top four entries of the competition will each receive £500,000 and
>> > support to help their project become a reality. A team at Google will
>> > announce 10 finalists in mid-May and the public will be invited to vote
>> and
>> > donate to their favourite project.
>> >
>> > The prestigious panel judging the finalists will be inventor of the
>> > Internet Sir Tim Berners-Lee, Mogul Sir Richard Branson and founder and
>> CEO
>> > of Forster Communications Jilly Forster. It’s thrilling to know how
>> similar
>> > Google and ACEVO’s approach is in celebrating innovation - I feel that
>> this
>> > is the start of a great corporate friendship.
>> >
>> > Applications opened today so apply here www.g.co/impactchallenge for
>> your
>> > chance win.
>> >
>> > Best wishes and good luck,
>> >
>> > Sir Stephen Bubb
>> > Chief Executive
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [WMUK Office] Fwd: Wikipedia source for BBC

[WereSpielChequers]

And there was I thinking that the 50s and 60s were the nearly contemporary
area where Wikipedia was at its weakest. Not old enough to be taught in the
schools or new enough to be known to the technoscenti. Clearly those gaps
are getting filled in.

WSC


On 25 March 2013 10:28, Michael Peel  wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
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> *Subject: **[WMUK Office] Fwd: Wikipedia source for BBC*
> *Date: *25 March 2013 10:05:03 GMT
> *To: *office 
> *Reply-To: *off...@wikimedia.org.uk
>
> Even the BBC needs us to record its own history...
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/2011/02/face_to_face_john_freeman_and_his_remarkable_guests.html
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?

[WereSpielChequers]

If no-one wants to attend both events, and the building has rooms to cope,
then holding both this and the board meeting on the 11th May would be a
great opportunity for synergy. Who knows, the following year you might get
someone from the Lua event standing to be a trustee, or a trustee standing
down to spend more time coding in Lua.

Jonathan

On 16 March 2013 09:31,  wrote:

> But building open and we could share lunch.
> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Gray 
> Sender: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:24:23
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
> Reply-To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?
>
> May 11th is a board meeting, so the basement might be crowded!
>
> Andrew.
>
> On 15 March 2013 15:13, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
> > May 11th would be the day before the May London meetup, that might be
> > convenient for some people.
> >
> > WSC
> >
> >
> > On 15 March 2013 12:42, Jon Davies  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey why not?
> >>
> >> I think there is interest in this so we should think how and where we
> >> should advertise it. Obviously on the UK Wiki.
> >>
> >> Not a huge fuss to do - someone to open the office on a Saturday?
> >>
> >> Skype or whatever and lots of pizza.
> >>
> >> Tom's offer is kind. Can you suggest a date?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15 March 2013 12:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I thought you said "luau and pizza"...
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luau
> >>>
> >>> Silly me,
> >>>
> >>> Gordo
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?

[WereSpielChequers]

May 11th would be the day before the May London meetup, that might be
convenient for some people.

WSC

On 15 March 2013 12:42, Jon Davies  wrote:

> Hey why not?
>
> I think there is interest in this so we should think how and where we
> should advertise it. Obviously on the UK Wiki.
>
> Not a huge fuss to do - someone to open the office on a Saturday?
>
> Skype or whatever and lots of pizza.
>
> Tom's offer is kind. Can you suggest a date?
>
>
> On 15 March 2013 12:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I thought you said "luau and pizza"...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Luau 
>>
>> Silly me,
>>
>> Gordo
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period

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Hi Jess,

First of Jan is an awkward time of year - people are most likely to get
into debt over Xmas so I'd be cautious about trying to harmonise all our
renewals at that time of year. If you have a bunch of regular AGM attenders
who pay their memberships in cash then it is obviously easiest to get them
to pay when they turn up at the AGM, but I doubt that greatly applies to us
and I wouldn't recommend 1st Jan for an AGM.

There are many disadvantages to having all renewals on the same date. It
means you are always signing up new members on the basis of a part year
membership at one price followed hopefully by full year memberships; It
concentrates all your membership renewal work in one point of the year; and
it means there is a particular point in the year when your membership dips
which could be awkward for special AGMs etc. If membership revenue was ever
a significant part of our income it would also mean that our cashflow was
distorted with a spike in our revenue that didn't coincide with a spike in
expenditure.

By contrast I'm not aware of any advantage to having them all on the same
date. So I'd suggest it is better to have them as evenly spread through the
year as possible.

WSC

On 9 February 2013 22:35, Jessica Taylor wrote:

> Richard, thanks for that explanation. I may be barking up the wrong tree
> but I'll jump in anyway.
>
> If memberships became due each 1st of January, fundraising/dues collection
> could be easier. I realize that there would be many logistical hurdles
> which may moot this suggestion.
>
> Is it plausible that WMUK could ask members if they'd be willing to pay
> both the membership from their next expiration date to the next normal
> expiration date PLUS their next year's dues for the year of 2014 with the
> understanding that their membership period will thenceforth be from January
> to January and will next be due on 1 January 2015. I realize that some
> members would say, "No."
>
> Alternatively, could WMUK ask members if they would voluntarily relinquish
> their leftover membership periods at midnight on the 31 December 2013 AND
> start their memberships over the next day? Again I realize some members may
> say, "No," because of the lost value of X months of membership.
>
> Final alternative, might WMUK ask members if to anonymously gift part-year
> memberships on behalf of other anonymous members from the date the
> membership in question expires. For a membership expiring on 5 September
> 2013, the donor would pay through 31 December 2013. Then the member
> receiving the gifted dues could pre-pay their membership for the year of
> 2014 on 5 September when they would have normally paid anyway. If this sort
> of thing were agreed to by all, I'd be willing to gift a couple of partial
> year memberships.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jess
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> No Jess - each individual is due to renew at a different time each year,
>> depending on when they joined. I joined on 5 December, I think: That means
>> that I am due for renewal on 4 December. I will get an email just before
>> that date.
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
>>
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>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
>> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
>> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>
>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>>
>>
>> On 9 February 2013 20:27, Jessica Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> I like the idea of updating the pages regarding membership on the WMUK
>>> site.
>>>
>>> Also, I agree multiple reminders are helpful. I think the idea of
>>> changing the address so that the renewal isn't automatically fed to an
>>> archive folder would be helpful for people like me.
>>>
>>> Excuse me for not having checked myself, but all membership dues are due
>>> at the same time each year, correct?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jess
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Michael Peel <
>>> michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
  I think we need to update the pages on the wiki here.
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Help
 is rather out of date (and there's plenty of questions being asked here
 that could be answered there),
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Process
 could probably do with expanding, and maybe we even need to revise
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Rules
 to include things like paying for membership in advance as Tom is
 pointing out (maximum number of years, etc.), and some others (e.g. if you
 renew part-way through the grace period, do you get

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[WereSpielChequers]

My understanding was that QRpedia was used to generate the codes, but the
codes on the plaques use qrwp.org. which has been publicly offered to the
movement.

I agree that we should not be promoting the use of QR codes unless we are
reasonably confident that the site they link to is maintained by the
movement or a registered charity with a compatible ethos. I'm hoping that
the donation of qrwp.org  is still on offer and not subject to whatever
part of the negotiations is still ongoing.

When and if a deal is finalised then the things I will be looking for
include who is to own the two domains and whether the brand we will be
using when we promote QR codes is within the movement or something similar.
Personally I have no problem with us collaborating with something outside
but of a similar nature, Geograph and Open street map come to mind as
charities which we have or should collaborate with, or simply use but give
due credit for.


WSC

On 31 January 2013 13:33, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> many thanks jon! personally i do not like that the qrpedia domain is
> registered cloaked, so nobody knows what comes out there later on.
> this, and the long time the topic could not be settled is imo enough
> to consider the name "qrpedia" as poisoned.
>
> maybe it's best to just leave qrpedia to the people who registered it
> and use another domain. qrcodes pointing to some website which then
> redirects to some url is no rocket sience, and widely used since quite
> a long time.
>
> at WMCH we use qrcodes at least in two working groups, international
> (tunesia e.g.) and GLAM. they are important to us, and i'd consider it
> high risk to mount qrcode stickers physically which then link to a
> site which has a cloaked owner. if qrpedia in 2 years time links to
> pussy galore there is huge cost involved to change all the stickers
> installed, beside the enormous reputational damage.
>
> rupert
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jon Davies
>  wrote:
> > Joe (and lots of people)
> >
> > I really understand the sincerity of your interest and the need to get
> this
> > settled. I can assure you that as I write two of the trustees are working
> > hard to come to a solution that will be in the interest of the community
> and
> > the movement in general.
> >
> > Jon.
> >
> >
> > On 26 January 2013 11:39, Joe Filceolaire  wrote:
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
> >> of what these arguments are.
> >>
> >> We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
> an
> >> acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
> >> what is being done on our behalf.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
> 
> 
>  However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
>  quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this
> list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How did we get get here then?
> >>>
> >>> Gordo
> >>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language

[WereSpielChequers]

I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about
that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve
itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the
second language of Ireland.

WSC

On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan  wrote:

> Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native
> Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too.
>
>
> On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language
>>
>> Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing?
>>
>> Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK?
>>
>>
>> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[WereSpielChequers]

I'm not party to the negotiations, and of course things being discussed
there could be very different to what has been announced publicly. But
unless I've missed something Roger has publicly offered to give the
technology and another domain to the community, however he has said he is
keeping QRpedia.org. So we as a community need to discontinue using QRpedia
as a brand.

Obviously that is unfortunate, but we should not look a gift horse in the
mouth, what Roger and his associates have created and are giving to the
community is very useful, we have no right to complain that they are being
less generous than some might like.

WSC

On 20 January 2013 21:58, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 20 January 2013 20:07, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
> > Would I be correct in understanding that you are intending to retain the
> > QRpedia website and presumably brand? If so presumably we will need a new
> > brand for our QR codes and should stop using the term QRpedia except when
> > referring to the site currently used to generate QR codes?
>
> Given how well-known - and respected - that name has become, that
> would be a terribly retrograde step.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi Roger, thanks for that update. Would I be correct in understanding that
you are intending to retain the QRpedia website and presumably brand? If so
presumably we will need a new brand for our QR codes and should stop using
the term QRpedia except when referring to the site currently used to
generate QR codes?


WSC


On 20 January 2013 18:08, Roger Bamkin  wrote:

> We've been ready to get something in order for some time now and the
> difficulties, which I am not that clear on, seem to be on the WMUK side
>
> Roger
>
>
> On 20 January 2013 17:38, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
>> would it be possible to reveal the main obstacles why this is not yet
>> settled?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Roger Bamkin 
>> wrote:
>> > Well thats a timely question. A deal was agreed in July with the UK
>> board's
>> > representative and their Chief Exec and a contract was drawn up. Before
>> > Christmas the UK board said that they wanted to re-negotiate and wanted
>> to
>> > create a new contract. As you can iimagine this was disappointing and
>> we did
>> > not want to go through that process again. The board has recently agreed
>> > that it will endeavor to create a binding deal and they have delegated
>> two
>> > board members to restart the process.
>> >
>> > However, QRpedia remains available for anyone to use and we have
>> projects
>> > including those in Australia, France, Spain, Gibraltar, Germany, India,
>> > Estonia and Tunisia, These will continue to be supported for ever at no
>> > cost.
>> >
>> > Hope that helps
>> >
>> > On 20 January 2013 14:58, rupert THURNER 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi,
>> >>
>> >> what is the current status of qrpedia? is at already recommended to
>> >> use it again in wikiland?
>> >>
>> >> rupert.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[WereSpielChequers]

Thanks Roger,

Both Geograph and Wiki Loves Monuments have established that people like
photography contests, and they are willing to take images and release them
under open licenses. I'd also add that enough of the images are good that
it is worth sifting through the many that aren't.

Geograph is very much focussed on the UK and Eire, though I think they may
be extending to Germany. They definitely aren't global but then neither is
the UK chapter. WLM started in the Netherlands and has now extended to
dozens of countries, but not yet the UK.

WLM is a Wikimedia initiative from one of our fellow chapters, and I'd
agree that means a presumption that we should take part, and that we'd be
welcome participants. The Geograph is a completely separate entity and my
only attempt to contact them has not been responded to after some months (I
emailed them about a probable copyright anomaly). But their licensing is
fully compatible with ours.

The Geograph runs a points based system which started off with the idea of
getting a photo of every square kilometer of the UK, Yes they really do
have images as banal as a bit of driftwood on the shingle that forms the
only dry land in one particular grid square. They've subsequently extended
that model to allow various other ways to get points for subsequent picture
in the same square km. I have whinged slightly here about their poor
coverage of nature reserves, but I'd really like to see the UK chapter
approach them and say "Here is a list of Wikipedia articles that lack
images, would you be willing to add them to Geograph and offer Geograph
points for photographing them? And while we are talking would your members
like a dual load option so that they can also load their images onto
commons?"

Where the Geograph outscores WLM is that they aren't time limited, some of
their photographers have uploaded images from decades ago, and they cover
the same object in different seasons. I think that makes them more
compatible with Wikipedia, September foliage can hide some of the features
we want to photograph, winter snow can highlight earthworks and other
archaeology, past events are best illustrated with old photos, and
waterfalls in particular are much better illustrated with minigalleries
showing winter spate next to summer trickles.

I've taken part in some of the discussions about the future of WLM, and
there is a realisation that it will need to change as we run out of
monuments in some countries, But they do seem very wedded to the idea of it
being a September competition, and I find that very limiting.

My preference would be that we follow both tracks, there is no guarantee
that WLM would want to collaborate with us, but if they did the benefits
would be great for us both - and why not run WLM in cooperation with the
Geograph?

WSC



On 20 January 2013 16:52, Roger Bamkin  wrote:

> Firstly - Good summary WSC
>
> Geograph is basically a wiki for images. You take a picture. You load it
> to Geograph and specify where the item is and where you were standing when
> you took it. The picture is then looked over by someone to check its not a
> picture of your thumb. THe picture is categorised in a way similar to
> commons. Points are awarded based on the rarity of the picture (no one has
> taken a picture there before). The site attracts a lot of happy snappers
> and people who like to get points. Its a great idea and its worked. YOu may
> not find a great picture of extly what you want .. but then there are
> lots of pictures still to load and lots that require better categorisation.
> On the latter - there has been a lot of improvement. If you compare it to
> panaramio which is Googles tool for getting people to donate geotagged
> images then Id say that the quality is not as good but the quantity of
> images is much better by Geograph. I look at images on Google Earth for
> Morocco and there is an occasional picture of maybe one settlement in 6.
>
> However I agree with WSC's final para (as well) and although it would have
> been nice to see Geograph run across the world, it appears that WLM has the
> brand and momentum. (And their prizes are impressive).
>
> HTT
> R
>
> On 20 January 2013 13:51, Thomas Morton wrote:
>
>> Can someone give me a quick overview of how geograph works and how the
>> images are taken?
>>
>> I ask this because a number of images from my home town are poor quality,
>> and incomplete (I can locate less than 5 notable buildings photographed in
>> the town, when the real number is circa 20-30).
>>
>> When I say "poor quality" I don't necessarily mean low res etc. but of
>> poor photographic quality; for example a monument in the centre of the town
>> is photographed from about half a mile away across the roofs of several
>> buildings (although you can drive/walk right past it...).
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[WereSpielChequers]

The part of the Geograph that we've imported so far is indeed
overwhelmingly low res - they lifted their file size a little before the
large batch imports were done, but some high res images were in those
batches and subsequent smaller scale imports from the Geograph have
included some very high res images. I suspect that a large proportion of
the million plus Geograph images that we've yet to import will be fairly
high resolution.

The categorisation needed backlog of Geograph images is now down to circa
700,000 and will have dipped quite a bit further by September when the next
WLM runs. However apart from churches, piers, war memorials, hill forts and
some castles the bulk of the geograph categorisation has been to village or
town level - so we are probably in much the same state that we were in last
year. Any photogenic listed building that can be photographed from the road
and is within a congenial drive of a decent real ale pub will have been
photographed by geographers. Especially if it is thatched or has Llamas in
the next field (
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Llamas_and_alpacas_in_the_United_Kingdomdemonstrates
that according to frequency on Commons both species are
clearly of UK origin).

As for the idea that Geographers are hardy folk who only take exterior
shots and never enter buildings; Well a search on Commons for stained glass
Norfolk gets 1,124 hits whilst a search for stained glass gets only 40,114,
so one English county accounts for 3% of our global coverage of stained
glass.

In our recent photo-adding session
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/image_adding we got
some newbies and not so newbies to add images to articles on Wikipedia and
we found that most articles which lack an image but have a UK geocode can
already be illustrated from Commons. The main exception being nature
reserves - (my theory being they don't allow cars or serve real ale). Of
course there may be lots of notable buildings that are sufficiently
unfashionable not to have either articles or images despite having a Listed
status.

So I'm not convinced that WLM would give us images for articles that
already exist but lack images, though it could give us new photographers,
show that we are taking part in a global wiki event, and help kickstart
articles on important but uncommercial buildings. All that in my view makes
it worthwhile to do, but with the precaution that I proposed last year - we
need to advise people that we may already have images, possibly
uncategorised ones of the monument in question, and if they want to be the
first to load an image of a particular building they first need to check
whether we already have it.

WSC








On 16 January 2013 16:55, HJ Mitchell  wrote:

> Huge dents have been made in the Geograph backlog since last year, thanks
> mainly to changes in HotCat and Cat-a-lot on Commons and the dedication of
> WereSpielChequers and others. Geograph is fantastic, but it has surprising
> gaps and the images are all low-res, so there's definitely room for
> Geogrpah and WLM to peacefully co-exist.
>
> Harry Mitchell
> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> Phone: 024 7698 0977
> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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> *To:* HJ Mitchell ; UK Wikimedia mailing list <
> wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:49
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
>
> As I recall, the objections were in part that we have most of this
> material already on Commons (via Geograph), but badly organised. I
> don't know if that's changed, or if we've got a better idea of what's
> out there...
>
> - Andrew.
>
> On 16 January 2013 16:45, HJ Mitchell  wrote:
> > Well we have a list of Grade I listed buildings in every county. I'm
> sure it
> > would be easy enough to have a bot do the same for Grade II* and
> Scheduled
> > Ancient Monuments, and that gives us a ready-made target list. How much
> more
> > organisation is needed, beyond creating the necessary project pages on
> the
> > relevant wikis and getting the word out?
> >
> > Harry Mitchell
> > http://enwp.org/User:HJ
> > Phone: 024 7698 0977
> > Skype: harry_j_mitchell
> >
> > 
> > From: Thomas Morton 
> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:31
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
> >
> > Excellent suggestions, thanks, I will look into it.
> >
> > A WLM speaker would be great... last year it was mentioned, but only as a
> > plea for someone to step forward and organise the UK effort.
> >
> > I looked into what it would take but it seems a larger job than I'd 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Verifying membership applications - Suggestions and comments

[WereSpielChequers]

The Postcard idea is good, but remember that a postcard isn't in an
envelope, so please don't print anything more on it than the minimum needed
for us to know which postcards have come back - i.e. a membership number.

I would suggest that you also want something in the process to raise an
alert when you have more than three members at an address, - this can of
course be perfectly legit if the address is a University Hall of residence,
but it can be a useful check.

WSC

On 22 November 2012 12:05, Katherine Bavage <
katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Morning all,
>
> So, I'm sensing that while there is some acceptance that a bit more
> gatekeeping may be warranted, we don't want anything heavy handed, and that
> verifying identity prior to voting each time isn't practicable.
>
> How do we feel about Jon's suggestion of confirming address? I can easily
> set up a join process whereby:
>
> 1. Member indicates wanting to join by filling out application form
> (online or paper)
> 2. Office logs application on Civi CRM and sends potential member a
> postcard and sticker in an envelope. Postcard has our freepost address on
> once side, and bullet points on the other side briefly explaining:
>
>
>1. The membership approval process (some new members aren't always
>clear on being approved and the delay until the next round of approvals by
>the board)
>2. Signposting to our events page in the meantime
>3. That returning the card is an effective declaration that their
>address and name as provided are genuine (and they will undertake to update
>us if this changes)
>4. That if they have not applied for membership they should inform us
>of the error via email
>
> 3. Member receives postcard at genuine address if given. Enjoys sticker
> (yay) and drops postcard into the post.
> 4. Office receives postcard, and marks address as verified against
> membership record.
>
> The downside if this approach is we can't verify that a person's name is
> what they have declared it is. However, the upsides are having not only
> verified they live where they say they do, but this being at a minimal
> expense, and providing more information and an opportunity to engage them
> early in the process. Currently becoming a member can be a bit
> underwhelming.
>
> Also, I should add, I strongly agree with the idea that the best overall
> way to combat the problem is to have a larger, more active membership,
> complemented by staff, Trustees and volunteers to continue to be alert
> to any unusual patterns of recruitment or behaviour in a new crop of
> unknown volunteers. I think this approach will add a layer of security to
> that however.
>
> Katherine
>
> On 21 November 2012 08:19, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 20/11/12 20:12, Chris Keating wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Another step some organisations take is to say that someone has to be a
>>> member for a certain length of time before conferring voting rights on
>>> them, though the only time I've seen this is enacted is when there have
>>> been serious problems with people joining to push particular agendas. (Also
>>> worth nothing that this in our case would need an amendment to the
>>> Articles.)
>>>
>> I am reminded that we have an EGM in the pipeline to change (or not) the
>> voting processes of AGMs.
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia

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I would be tempted to say "We hope this is an isolated problem and that
most UK PR agencies employ someone who doe not find it cumbersome to send
an Email".

WSC

On 14 November 2012 11:46, Stevie Benton wrote:

> I think the journalist was more interested in trying to paint a picture of
> conflict by asking that question, which makes for a more interesting story
> for some people. I was really keen for that not to happen. I was more
> interested in getting across the points about how Wikipedia works and how
> it can be engaged with, rather than stirring up trouble!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stevie
>
>
> On 14 November 2012 11:42, Charles Matthews <
> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14 November 2012 11:25, Stevie Benton 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I was asked if I had any specific response to the PRCA comments, but
>> really
>> > there's nothing helpful to add there, except that talk pages and emails
>> > needn't be cumbersome.
>>
>> Stating the obvious isn't always unhelpful: making the system work
>> properly is win-win for Wikipedia's readers and those with legitimate
>> corrections/updates.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia (Andreas Kolbe)

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Dear Andreas, We need to remember that this is a volunteer driven process,
and the commodity in short supply is volunteer time not PR professionals
time. Encouraging PR people to forum shop by raising the same thing in
multiple venues is disrespectful of the community, it also risks damaging
things for the PR flacks as the temptation would be to ignore them as they
are likely to have raised things elsewhere. What we should be doing is
advising them of the best place to go with their problem, and the best way
to escalate things if that doesn't work. The confict of Interest
noticeboard is not usually going to be appropriate for them, as it says:
"Post here if you are concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using
Wikipedia to promote their own interests at the expense of
neutrality".
Where a Living person is being misreported then the BLP noticeboard is an
option for escalation. But encouraging PR flacks to forum shop is not going
to be part of a workable solution. We need to work with the grain of the
community and that means understanding that forum shoppers get short shrift.

As for the idea that all PR complaints should be responded to within 24
hours, that would have the effect of prioritising the updating of a company
article to name a company's new chair above dealing with a case of cyber
bullying in a school playground. I suspect that most of us would take the
ethical line that dealing with cyber bullying gets priority over a slightly
out of date business article. Yes it would be good to know how quick OTRS
is, and if OTRS needs additional volunteers, but if OTRS needs to
prioritise anything it should be serious issues above less serious ones,
and some business related issues will be more urgent than others. I would
be surprised if OTRS doesn't already have some such prioritisation system,
if only that volunteers will concentrate on the urgent stuff.

WSC

On 14 November 2012 00:00, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Paul Wilkinson <
> paul.wilkin...@pwcom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear Andreas
>> Francis Ingham is DG of the PRCA. Its fee-paying members include RLM
>> Finsbury (among other WPP companies), so, ultimately, it contributes to his
>> salary. Possible COI?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
>
> Come on, you are a CIPR fellow, and CIPR and PRCA are rival bodies. In
> fact, Ingham used to be the CIPR's assistant director, until he defected to
> the PRCA. Shall I make an ad-hominem comment based on your COI too?
>
> Yes, Finsbury is one of several hundred members of PRCA. Even so Ingham
> did not condone their behaviour. And what he says about the poor perception
> of PR professionals is the same thing CIPR have said (and according to
> Wikipedia, it's one thing CIPR and PRCA agree on, and have collaborated on).
>
> The question is not, does the man have a COI; the question is, Is there
> merit in what he says?
>
> And there is. Oliver's revamp of the Contact Us pages has made a huge
> difference, because previously, PR professionals would pass three
> invitations to fix the article themselves before they would come to the
> OTRS e-mail address.
>
> But there is still room for improvement. OTRS e-mails should be responded
> to the same day, not up to four weeks later. Is anyone collecting data on
> how quickly OTRS mails are responded to? Are those data public? If not,
> there is another potential area for improvement.
>
> PR professionals could be invited to post to the COI noticeboard AND the
> article talk page at the same time (leaving a link on the article talk page
> to the COIN discussion), so they get a prompt response. There should be a
> discussion whether PR professionals should be forbidden or encouraged to
> contribute to COI noticeboard queries where they do not have a COI
> themselves beyond being PR professionals too. These are some ideas.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An interesting blog from Africa.

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We do have a systematic bias that leads us to under-represent Africa, and
anywhere else where secondary sources are sparse. But otherwise I believe
the blogger is misinformed. Our page views aren't flat, they are growing
faster than the average for the Internet. And while the number of new
articles per day is below our peak, that isn't the main area of improvement
in Wikipedia, we already have over 4 million articles, most of the editing
and much of the new content is to maintain and improve the articles we
have. This is an inevitable transition in a growing project, at the
beginning all articles had to be started, now in many topic areas the main
need is for article improvement.

WSC

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> http://joeldmitchell.com/?p=17
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

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Re Andrew's request for "a clear statement setting out the reasons for the
change".

The difference between STV and a majoritarian system is that if you have a
community where factions have emerged then STV ensures that all significant
factions can see someone elected who they approve of. By contrast a
majoritarian system is by its nature winner takes all and you can have a
result where everyone associated with
a particular significant viewpoint is not elected. If you are confident
that you will be in the majority then it may seem logical to support a
majoritarian system. If you aren't sure if you'd be in the majority then it
makes sense to support a system such as STV. If you are somewhat irritated
by the bickering and want a representative board with the most sensible
people regardless of their stance on certain controversies then you
desperately need a system such as STV. If in a divided organisation a
narrow majority gets a clean sweep in the elections for the committee it is
very difficult if not impossible for the resulting committee to reunite the
organisation and defuse tensions.


WSC



On 29 September 2012 21:55, Andrew Turvey wrote:

> On a different note...
>
> Regarding the switch from approval voting to STV (or whatever) what I
> think is missing the most is a clear statement setting out the reasons for
> the change (i.e. what's broken and how would this change fix it).
>
> I've also suggested a tweak to the EGM motion on the page (hope this is ok
> to do there)
>
> Lastly, we could do with pencilling in a date for the EGM - how about
> coinciding with the board meeting 9-10 February 2013 - and aim to do it by
> electronic voting as much as possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM, James Farrar wrote:
>
>> OK, here's a very quick first draft of the motion and election rules for
>> STV.
>>
>>
>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LondonStatto/Proposed_EGM_Motion_on_Voting_System
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity

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As a registered UK charity WMUK can't simply pass all its income through
the FDC, because the trustees of Wikimedia UK are responsible for making
the decisions as to how that money is spent.

However for the next financial year I would hope we would be in a slightly
different situation where the UK budget is rather more than WMUK's income
and the FDC agrees to grant fund some of its program.

As for Emailing last years one off donors, obviously the WMF and WMUK need
to to discuss this, but I'm pretty sure that there are data protection
reasons that would prevent WMUK simply handing over that mailing list.
Though they might be able to get a neutral third party to match the list
against lists of UK donors to the WMF from years prior to 2011 and identify
the overlap. Logically the WMF should be emailing past donors, and it would
be sensible for WMUK to email its own past donors, especially those that
the WMF doesn't have emails for. In an ideal world WMUK rather than WMF
would email the overlap because WMUK has the more recent relationship, the
tax advantage and most importantly the capacity to set up Direct Debits.
But we do not appear to be in logical times.


WSC



On 29 September 2012 22:14, Deryck Chan  wrote:

> I do imply competence as well. With the FDC in place, all the money we
> raise will nominally pass through the FDC pot anyway, so there's no
> "stealing the donors from" WMF.
>
> On 29 September 2012 22:09, Thomas Morton wrote:
>
>> That would be a not-good idea.
>>
>> i.e. it's not an alternative donation stream. And it's similar acting
>> like a spoilt child ("well if you won't let me do the fundraiser I'll steal
>> all those donors from you!").
>>
>> Instead of proving how *important *we are, lets prove how *competent *we
>> are.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 29 September 2012 22:04, Deryck Chan  wrote:
>>
>>> Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the
>>> beginning of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts
>>> of money we can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a
>>> sense, an indicator of how important we are.
>>>  On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <
>>> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm
>>>> assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another
>>>> donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the
>>>> proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could
>>>> simply hand that list to the States
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of
>>>> our donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly
>>>> be administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up.
>>>> One big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is
>>>> at the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get
>>>> a few of them to convert to that.  If they are higher rate taxpayers or
>>>> their employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of
>>>> them to go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues.
>>>>
>>>> The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but
>>>> just as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into
>>>> the charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh.
>>>> OK I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we
>>>> should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the
>>>> lines of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the
>>>> global Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source
>>>> projects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WSC,
>>>>
>>>> On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a good positive way to look at this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and
>>>>> with the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a
>>>>> backseat...
>>>>>
>>>>> The Foundation have got the a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Debating issues

[WereSpielChequers]

I think it would be a mistake to start this on the UK Wiki. We have been
more focussed on GLAM than some parts of the world, but this is an issue
that people from across the movement are interested in. So if we start an
RFC it belongs on meta, rather than with one chapter or language. I'm
tempted to launch an RFC to codify and reaffirm the guidance that we got in
2010, my gut feel is that consensus would be more to remind ourselves of
that, and especially the need to focus on the items in the collection, not
on the institutions that hold them.

WSC

On 27 September 2012 20:38, Roger Bamkin  wrote:

> Obviously be interested in this debate. I think another possibility is to
> use a UK wiki talk page as a basis for the talk. One problem is agenda as
> WSC notes its very easy to have 4 parallel threads which just prevent any
> resolution or understanding of more than one thread.
>
> I'd be up for Jon's beer idea too
>
> *Oh and REXX - Foundation trilogy was one of my favourites although
> Asimov's later extentions to link the story with his robot series was a bit
> forced. I'm just reading SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson. Great book. In his
> world the Library of Congress has joined with CIA records to be a kind of
> wiki source where people load up facts and gossip to share with the world.
> - Its an addictive read* - e.g. The main character is called Hiro
> Protaganist and he delivers Pizzas in a guarenteed 30 mins or you can shoot
> the delivery boy!
>
>
>
>
> On 27 September 2012 16:22, WereSpielChequers  > wrote:
>
>> I've taken part in some of the IRC office hours. The format works OK if
>> everyone is being positive and just wants to question one person.
>>
>> It isn't so good if either the subject is so complex as to spark debate
>> in various directions or the subject matter is contentious and tempers get
>> frayed.
>>
>> So in the circumstances I'd suggest either a Wiki RFC or an in person
>> meeting
>>
>> WSC
>>
>> On 27 September 2012 15:59, Jon Davies wrote:
>>
>>> People seem to want to meet face to face and exchange real words - can't
>>> imagine why? Perhaps the visit to the pub afterwards?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 September 2012 15:47, rexx  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Set up an "UK office hours" on IRC like the Foundation does. By the
>>>> way, did you ever read Asimov's Foundation? They thought they were writing
>>>> an encyclopedia as well.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%28novel%29#The_Encyclopedists
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27 September 2012 14:11, Jon Davies wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have had two email conversations this morning about hot and often
>>>>> perennial issues around editing, ethics etc.  It strikes me that there is
>>>>> an appetite for having some osrt of debates, perhaps streamed, where 
>>>>> people
>>>>> came together to debate hot issues,
>>>>> Any thoughts.
>>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

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I don't have a problem with the UK chapter giving a few "how to edit
leaflets" out to someone who is encouraging people how to edit.

But I would appreciate a little clarification re QRpedia.  Can someone tell
me who owns the http://qrpedia.org domain name? If I'm correct in my
understanding of QR codes then all the QR codes that we are encouraging
people to use point to that domain and are currently repointed to Wikipedia
articles. So if we are going to promote QRpedia we need to know that the
domain is part of the movement.

WSC


On 17 September 2012 13:01, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> I assume that people are finding the details out online, and they're then
> assuming that we're the best people to contact (confusion between
> 'Wikimedians from the UK' and 'Wikimedia UK'). As far as I know, no-one's
> been given our contact details in relation to the project, and the site at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA/Achievements gives
> i...@gibraltarpedia.org as the press contact address.
>
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> On 17 September 2012 12:38, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>
>> Accidentally sent offlist...
>>
>> On 17 September 2012 12:33, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > On 17 September 2012 09:33, Jon Davies 
>> wrote:
>> >> Good morning Tom.
>> >>
>> >> Meeting minutes cannot offer a level of detail that will ever be
>> sufficient
>> >> by their very nature but in answer to your specific question:
>> >> The board agreed that we would be happy to supply 'learn to edit'
>> booklets
>> >> and and some office support. In reality this means referring any
>> callers on
>> >> to Roger whether from the Media or just people interested in the
>> project.
>> >> I hope this helps,
>> >
>> > Thank you for clarifying that. Are people being intentionally given
>> > WMUK's contact details, or are people just finding them online and
>> > assuming that WMUK is the best place to contact regarding
>> > Gibraltarpedia?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

[WereSpielChequers]

Fox are part of News International aren't they?

So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and
directing people to a homophobic website.

Not as bad as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_Dowler.27s_voicemail

Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old
girl's birthday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-witness-statement-leveson-inquiry

But not impressive.

WSC

On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds wrote:

> Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
> Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to
> be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.
>
> I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?
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> On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton 
>> wrote:
>> > On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton 
>> wrote:
>> >> (also: now on FOX -
>> >>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
>> )
>> >
>> > Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
>> > has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
>> > not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
>> >
>>
>> Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
>> protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
>> routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...
>>
>> It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
>> and here are 14 high-resolution closeups of it!
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

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On 26 July 2012 23:00, Deryck Chan  wrote:

> On 26 July 2012 20:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>
>> It is a deeply unfortunate situation. A few months ago if anyone had said
>> to me that Arbcom were capable of some of their recent behaviour then I
>> would have been inclined to defend Arbcom. But I now find myself almost
>> agreeing with David Gerard's assessment of them.
>>
>> To my mind the worst thing about
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Proposed_decisionwas
>>  that Arbcom agreed that Fae had been harassed, but they banned him
>> anyway. In my view Arbcom has made the wrong decision, and they have
>> exposed the community to headlines along the lines of "Wikipedia responds
>> to cyber-bullying by identifying and banning the victim."
>>
>
> Nice headline. I think the premise of many Wikipedia behaviour policies is
> to keep order. Therefore, oftentimes in such inflamed situation the only
> correct thing to do is to ban *both* sides of the harassment, both the
> harasser and the harassed. Yes Fæ is the victim, but I believe arbcom made
> their ruling on the grounds that if Fæ sticks around too many people will
> continue to gang up on him and distract everyone else from the project.
>

That sort of rough justice might work in a pub, and you could be right in
your explanation of Arbcom's motives. But if so it is a crass way to run an
intellectual endeavour. It is also far more toxic to the project to block
the victim and thereby encourage the harassers than it would be to block
or Iban those who subsequently gang up on them.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

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There are several appeals possible. Jimmy has indicated that he wants to be
replaced as the appeal route for Arbcom decisions, and that he will be
giving up some of his Founder powers later this year. So Fae could appeal
to Jimmy now, or wait for an alternative appeal process later this year, or
wait 6 months and appeal to Arbcom. By the time he can appeal to Arbcom
there will have been a fresh election and some of those who supported the
ban may no longer be Arbs.

WSC


On 26 July 2012 20:14, Thomas Dalton  wrote:

> On 26 July 2012 20:01, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
> > My suggestion would be that Fae use the available appeal processes, and
> that
> > hopefully Arbcom can be reformed or brought to its senses.
>
> What appeal processes? Arbcom aren't going to just change their minds.
> The community isn't going to reach a consensus on anything this
> divisive. Does Jimmy even hear appeals any more? If he does, I don't
> have any more faith in his judgement than I do Arbcom's.
>
> I did read the case, and the only accusation that has any evidence (or
> is even coherently made) is the misuse of multiple accounts. That
> doesn't warrant an indefinite ban. The ban is because he had the
> audacity to speak to a member of Foundation staff while waiting for a
> lift... (there was only hearsay that the conversation was at all
> inappropriate).
>
> My view is that either Fae should resign in order to save WMUK from
> having to deal with this, or we should have an EGM and let the members
> decide. If a majority of members at the meeting vote in support of
> Fae, then he'll have a renewed mandate to continue on the board (which
> he continues as chair is entirely the board's decision - I don't think
> the members should interfere in that). I think that renewed mandate
> should prevent most negative PR for the chapter. It could create some
> negative PR for the movement generally due to internal conflict, but
> we can survive that.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

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It is a deeply unfortunate situation. A few months ago if anyone had said
to me that Arbcom were capable of some of their recent behaviour then I
would have been inclined to defend Arbcom. But I now find myself almost
agreeing with David Gerard's assessment of them.

To my mind the worst thing about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Proposed_decisionwas
that Arbcom agreed that Fae had been harassed, but they banned him
anyway. In my view Arbcom has made the wrong decision, and they have
exposed the community to headlines along the lines of "Wikipedia responds
to cyber-bullying by identifying and banning the victim."

I hope the UK chapter does not broaden the damage to the movement by
dumping Fae as Chair.

My suggestion would be that Fae use the available appeal processes, and
that hopefully Arbcom can be reformed or brought to its senses. In the mean
time I would suggest that anyone who calls for Fae to resign should first
read that Arbcom case very carefully.

WSC


On 26 July 2012 18:19, Martin Peeks  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Charles Matthews
>  wrote:
> > On 26 July 2012 17:33, Martin Peeks  wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Charles Matthews
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Deryck Chan, who was at the relevant meeting (I believe), expressed a
> >>> rather different view earlier in this thread. In brief, enWP is not
> >>> the centre of the WMF universe.
> >>
> >>
> >> To those outside the movement, and probably most of those within, it
> >> is, isn't it?
> >>
> >
> > The English Wikipedia is indeed the flagship, still. I believe the
> > Spanish Wikipedia gets the second-largest number of readers. But the
> > figure for editors given at Wikimania was 80,000 across all projects,
> > and the proportion of those active on the English Wikipedia in a
> > significant way would be about 5%, I think. So in terms of the
> > movement as a whole, enWP drama is not actually more than a cable
> > channel?
> >
> > Charles
>
> Possibly worldwide, on aggregate, yes. Does the 80,000 represent
> "active" editors across all projects to the same standard of
> "activity"?
>
> However, more importantly for the broader issue (perhaps less so for
> the WCA side-line) is that for WMUK's intended (or actual/most
> relevant) audience - ie UK residents - enwp is by far and away the
> primary project.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Freepost Wikipedia

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There is bound to be a Postcode for that Freepost address, and if you write
to Wikimedia UK at that Postcode then I would be surprised if it was not
delivered.

WSC

On 26 July 2012 14:36, Deryck Chan  wrote:

> Considering that most organisations simply have a Freepost address which
> is a jumble of random letters, we've come very far!
>
> On 26 July 2012 12:45, Richard Symonds 
> wrote:
>
>> I love you guys, and I love this list :-)
>>
>> OK, so: it's Wikipedia with a P, because hardly anyone donates to
>> anything except Wikipedia (although Commons gets about 3% of mentions in
>> donors letters at a guess, and Wikinews/WikiSource maybe 1%), and the
>> address is designed for non-Wikimedians who either want to learn, or want
>> to donate. People writing to us will either know the difference between
>> Wikimedia and Wikipedia (in which case they won't be confused), or they
>> won't know the difference, in which case we should use the most well-known
>> name.The name that sticks in their minds most is 'Wikipedia'!
>>
>> Having both is too expensive at the moment. It would cost an extra £200
>> +VAT to have a second one set up, which seems silly when it's only one
>> character different.
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
>> Disclaimer viewable at
>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer
>> Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 July 2012 12:30, Deryck Chan  wrote:
>>
>>> *cue discussion on trademark we should identify ourselves to the public
>>> with*
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2012 12:26, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>>>
 That sounds very cool. Wikipedia with a "p"? Is that likely to reduce
 or increase confusion compared with having Wikimedia? Is having both
 too expensives? (I have no idea what the split between fixed and unit
 costs are for freepost accounts.)

 On 26 July 2012 11:53, Richard Symonds <
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
 > All,
 >
 > Just to let you know that you can now write "FREEPOST WIKIPEDIA", in
 > capitals, on an envelope, and pop it in the post - it'll come to the
 office.
 > There's no need for a stamp.
 >
 > This is mainly designed to make it easier for donors to contact us,
 but it
 > will work fine for volunteers, too, obviously - although the charity
 will be
 > paying for postage on anything you send, so try and keep the weight
 down if
 > you can :-)
 >
 > All the best,
 >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Coffee Morning Saturday, was Re: Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 27

[WereSpielChequers]

Excellent, and glad to see you might join us as well. :)

WSC

On 20 July 2012 18:51, Charles Matthews wrote:

> On 20 July 2012 18:36, WereSpielChequers 
> wrote:
> > Sorry, something has come up and I won't be able to join you this time.
> >
> > But I would like to talk about some training I delivered - if Leutha
> joins
> > you he can tell you how the first session went. Any chance you can join
> us
> > at the next London meetup?
>
> At least a chance. (I know I should put a smiley, but I don't do
> emoticons.)
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Coffee Morning Saturday, was Re: Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 27

[WereSpielChequers]

Sorry, something has come up and I won't be able to join you this time.

But I would like to talk about some training I delivered - if Leutha joins
you he can tell you how the first session went. Any chance you can join us
at the next London meetup?

WSC



On 20 July 2012 17:32, Charles Matthews wrote:

> On 20 July 2012 17:08, Peter Coombe  wrote:
> > I'll be there, with laptop. Will have to leave fairly promptly at 1
> though.
>
> Excellent. Should be a quorum, which I'm saying is three, at least.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 27

[WereSpielChequers]

I'm also potentially available then, though 10 AM in Cambridge is a
stretch.  Will there be a Skype chat?

WSC

On 18 July 2012 16:05,  wrote:

> I welcome this initiative and would be prepared to come up from London on
> the basis of my travel expenses being paid by Wikimedia UK.
>
> However, as two people have already said they are unavailable, I would
> like confirmation that the meeting will take place, preferably by Friday
> lunchtime.
>
> all the best
>
> Fabian
> (User:Leutha)
>
>
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:09:08 +0100
> > From: Charles Matthews 
> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
> > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge coffee morning this Saturday
> >
> > As previously mentioned to the list, I want to do some meetup-lite
> > events connected with training; and the first will consist of my being
> > at the CB2 cybercaff in Cambridge from 10 am to 1 pm this Saturday 21
> > July. This is the same venue as the normal meetups but I'm relying on
> > word-of-mouth this time - please pass on the news to anyone who might
> > be interested in the area (WM training, distance education being the
> > particular new focus).
> >
> > For those who are unfamiliar with CB2: it is at
> > http://www.cb2bistro.com/  and on Google Maps
> >
> >
> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CB1%2B2LD&ll=52.204674,0.136503&spn=0.011668,0.035836&hl=en
> >
> > actually on the corner of East Road and Norfolk Street. Quite possible
> > to walk from the rail station. I'll get a table _upstairs_ at 10 am.
> >
> > Charles
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Russian Wikipedia blackout.

[WereSpielChequers]

It is being discussed on the Wikimedia list, but what relevance is it to
Wikimedia UK?

WSC

On 10 July 2012 07:11, Gordon Joly  wrote:

>
> FYI
>
>
> http://boingboing.net/2012/07/**09/russian-wikipedia-blacks-**out-o.html
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Can I get wikimedia-uk to buy a ROV?

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I like the idea of a ROV or an underwater camera. Presumably the advantage
of an ROV is that it could go deeper? I've no idea about the relative costs
and capabilities of such devices, but I was wondering if it had such
technology available, would the charity be willing to lend it to underwater
Archaeologists on condition that they release the resulting images on
Commons?

I suspect there is a big potential opportunity here for the charity to
partner with Academia. Especially Biologists and Archaeologists.

As well as the underwater stuff where to be honest conditions are not
always ideal for photography, has the technology of micro blimps yet got to
the point where we could buy a machine that could fly inside large
buildings and take photos at otherwise impossible vantage points? If so we
should consider talking to English Heritage, the National Trust or the C of
E.

WSC



On 5 July 2012 13:18, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae  wrote:
> > I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography
> > interest group
>
> It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a
> similar project for WikimediaDE.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

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As individuals that is entirely up to us. As an organisation I would
suggest that we stick very clearly at only commenting on legislation that
would affect us. Which begs the question, is it us the UK chapter or us the
Wikimedia movement? My view is that we could meaningfully comment on the
broader movement.

In this case if it could be argued that this would make the UK even less
attractive as a site for a Wikimedia datacentre, then it would be
reasonable to point that out.

As for the arguments as to whether this applies to permissions Richard has
in his capacity as a volunteer; We need to keep a clear distinction between
what people do as volunteers and what they do on behalf of the UK chapter.

Regards

WSC

On 30 June 2012 16:52, Jon Davies  wrote:

> There is the 'they came for the others and I did nothing...' argument.
> Should we be thinking of whether we should contribute to this debate on
> behalf of others less protected?
>
>
> On 30 June 2012 16:13, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> On 30 June 2012 16:02, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
>>
>> > Pretty much all those examples are operated by the WMF, which isn't
>> > subject to UK law, so I don't really see a problem.
>>
>>
>> I would suggest Tom also post this message to wikimedia-l, for comment.
>>
>>
>> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CIPR story in the Indie

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On 28 June 2012 22:15, Gordon Joly  wrote:

>
>
> Anybody can edit Wikipedia that's the mantra!
>
> Gordo
>
>
> We have nearly 4 million articles on everything from Aardvaarks to
Zoroastrianism. PR people are welcome to edit almost any of them, just not
the ones that relate to their clients, themselves or their employer, or
compete with any of those or are fully protected. So yes PR people are
welcome and can edit Wikipedia, provided they come here as volunteers and
stay clear of articles where they have a COI.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] May be of interest

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Waithamai is a German editor who has been to a few of our events, Gustavf
is active on DE wiki. So I'd assume that this was a DE Wikipedia German
language meeting in London.

WSC

On 21 June 2012 10:21, Jon Davies  wrote:

> Saw reference to this in the WMDE annual report.
>
> Nice/schön
>
> Anyone know about it?
>
> First Meeting
>
> The first official Wikipedia: London meeting took place on 6 August 2011
> by 20 clock in the Old Ale Emporium (405 Green Lanes, London, N4 1EU;
> information) instead. Have participated Gustavf, Stefan and Waithamai. The
> three were in agreement that it was a successful meeting and could possibly
> be the prelude to another round tables in the British capital.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

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OK we shouldn't trumpet Gift Aid until we have our first big fat cheque
from HMRC.

But it is worth mentioning Direct debits. That may sound dry, but the UK
chapter has a significant longterm income stream whilst the rest of the
movement still depends on the annual fundraiser.

WSC

On 7 June 2012 09:45, Jon Davies  wrote:

> Have just received the HMRC registration forms so about to make first Gift
> Aid claim.
>
> For my three..
>
> Monmouth - volunteers and innovation
>
> Opening an office with staff (this is BIG in wiki terms and other chapters
> want to follow)
>
> Leading the movement during the Black-out for eight hours while San
> Francisco was asleep.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:38 AM, WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a charity).
>> Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money reclaimed under
>> the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.
>>
>> WSC
>>
>> On 6 June 2012 21:49, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>>
>>> On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania
>>> 2011
>>> > and Wikimania 2012?
>>>
>>> Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
>>> around the world.
>>>
>>> Becoming a charity for #3?
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

[WereSpielChequers]

Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a charity).
Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money reclaimed under
the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.

WSC

On 6 June 2012 21:49, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds 
> wrote:
>
> > Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania 2011
> > and Wikimania 2012?
>
> Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
> around the world.
>
> Becoming a charity for #3?
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A V Denham

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106 FAs - that must be close to a record for any one place outside of
Chicago. Perhaps the next project should be somewhere where we don't yet
have so much featured content, but an easier town to get to than Monmouth?

Better yet, the UK chapter could invite bids from Wikimedians who want the
Monmouthpedia experience in their abode, and councils who'd like to pitch
for the title. Wikipedia town of the year is the sort of accolade that some
councils would really like to get, and if the Council is behind it then
every museum they grant fund should be reasonably cooperative.

If Monmouthpedia were morphed in a Wikipedia town of the year award then I
believe we'd have something that could run indefinitely

WSC

On 21 May 2012 08:45, Gordon Joly  wrote:

>  On 19/05/12 22:44, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
> It seems the biggest challenge for editing workshops is finding
> suitable topics for people to create articles about (I think a lot of
> people just edit existing articles, which is much easier). It's
> particularly difficult for Monmonth since pretty much everything
> notable in the town already has an article!
>
>  My experience is that "how do I create an article" comes very high on the
> list of FAQs in workshops. Hence, I have suggested divorcing MediaWiki
> skills from Wikipedia skills (as dictated by the experience levels of
> participants).
>
> So, Monmouth is done and dusted?
>
> Time to return another "town". how about this quaint little hamlet
> (started as WikiProject in 2002)?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_London
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> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] OpenDomesday links

[WereSpielChequers]

Fae,

Wouldn't it be more useful to categorise the categories rather than the
images? Most of the individual images will be far newer than Domesday,
especially those of trees and buildings. Plus the categories are rather
fewer in number.

WSC

On 16 May 2012 16:46, Fae  wrote:

> Andy's note encouraged me to send off a bot to populate
> <
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Geograph_images_of_places_mentioned_in_the_Domesday_Book
> >.
>
> The bot has only just started, it may take a while to finish! So don't
> go renaming the category or anything daft for at least a day, but just
> having this category might kick off some creative ideas.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Post AGM pub

[WereSpielChequers]

And for the grownups we have [[Real ale|proper beer]] as well.


WSC

On 10 May 2012 13:41, Richard Symonds wrote:

> We have Fosters in pubs here too John ;-)
>
> 
>
>
> Richard Symonds
>
>
>
> On 10 May 2012 13:39, John Vandenberg  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:00 AM, HJ Mitchell 
>> wrote:
>> > Well as long as there's decent beer involved, I'm in.
>>
>> You'd have to come down under for that .. ;-)
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