Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

[rodward]

 

Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be
done remotely? 

rod 

On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:


> Hi all 
> Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man
from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between
the lovely Evan Davis and an editor, who can talk about the way in which
these decisions are made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if
this is something you think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on
07803 505 169 or just drop me an email. 
> Cheers 
> Lucy 
> 
> On 9
February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard  wrote:
>

>> compare - * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are
both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and
the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because
one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of
egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while
smiling 
>> 
>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard
 wrote:
>> 
>>> That is literally what the task
is, yes :-) 
>>> 
>>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating
 wrote:
>>> 
 Hmmm, trying to turn
an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually
this is all normal and we have some really interesting community
preferences" sounds tricky. ;) 
 
 On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at
1:51 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
 
> Usual
line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some
>
editors" then email here ;-D
> 
> so er, editors?
>

> On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid
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 wrote:
> > Hi all
>
>
> > Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be
great if
> > someone could talk about this from an editor's
perspective - in particular
> > the process of consensus building
within the Wikipedia community, as it's
> > clear many people
working in the media don't understand this. If someone
> > does
respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
> >
> >
The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've
been
> > fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San
Francisco wakes up and
> > comes online they will send me their
statement on the issue, which would
> > help to deal with
enquiries.
> >
> > All best
> > Lucy
> >
> >
> >
On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard 
wrote:
> >>
> >> BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can
talk about this, for
> >> tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email
me and I'll forward you the
> >> email.
> >>
> >>
> >> -
d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lists of public art in UK counties and cities

[rodward]

I know in this thread earlier there was a discussion about 
copyright/freedom of panaorama etc & how they are applied to "works of 
art" in public places.


Since then, a debate has arisen on which I would appreciate some more 
expert opinion...


On the English wikipedia page for Bristol 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol ) there has been for ages an 
image of "graffiti" by Banksy ( 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Banksy-ps.jpg ). I nominated the 
article at FAC ( see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Bristol/archive1 
) and User:Nikkimaria challenged the status of the image saying:
"File:Banksy-ps.jpg: freedom of panorama in the UK does not extend to 
graphic works - you'll need to indicate the licensing status of this 
mural."


In the light of discussions in this thread I removed the image with the 
edit summary: "remove Banksy image as 2D not covered by UK Freedom of 
Panorama".


My removal of the image was reverted with the edit summary "general 
consensus is that graffiti (illegal) is fine for FoP, but that murals 
(legal) are not."


Any comments or contributions on this debate (or anything else related 
to the article) on the FAC nomination page, would be appreciated.


Rod

On 01.09.2015 15:36, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 29/08/15 23:37, Andy Mabbett wrote:
On 28 August 2015 at 08:38, Gordon Joly  
wrote:



Is there a "Wikidata for Dummies"?


https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tours ?




Very interactive! But I had in mind something a little more static.

Will take the tour.

Gordo



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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: New Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Guide to Good Practice

[rodward]

 

Andy, 

I have a quadcopter camera & have taken aerial stills &
video of buildings & archeological sites (including a few I submitted to
WLM recently). Some of these are being used in wp articles eg: 

*
Farleigh Hungerford Castle 

* Stanton Drew stone circles 

* Priddy
Nine Barrows and Ashen Hill Barrow Cemeteries 

* Glenside, Bristol 


and a few others on my commons contributions list
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rodw) 

I will
have a look at the guide later, but want want to make sure everyone
complies with the CAA regulations
(http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?CATID=1995) see also
http://droneflight.co.uk/pages/summary-of-uk-legal-requirements. I have
had a few people & places refuse permission eg Glastonbury Abbey - but
they are currently writing their guidelines for use on their site and
have said could I go and do a demo for them. Lots of others (including
English Heritage & national Trust properties) have said fine to fly &
take pics videos over their sites. It is very weather (& particularly
wind) dependent. 

On 10.11.2014 14:58, Andy Mabbett wrote: 

> Possibly
of interest. Is anyone using UAVs, in the UK, to gather material for
Wikipedia, Commons, or another project? 
> -- Forwarded message
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> From: "Archaeology Data Service" 
> Date: Nov 10, 2014 1:59 PM
> Subject: New Unmanned Aerial Vehicle
Guide to Good Practice
> To: 
> 
> Unmanned
Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) are a 'disruptive technology', a technology that
forces us to rethink how we do (or used to do) things - from protecting
white rhino to delivering pizza. Everyone who needs a bird's eye view is
now wondering how this technology can help them; farmers, structural
engineers, ecologists and, of course, archaeologists.
> 
> In theory,
even a very minor archaeological site can now benefit from its very own
aerial survey. But while the possibilities for archaeology are immensely
exciting, many of the actual results are still disappointing; blurry
aerial photos, images which may be pretty but which can't be
georeferenced and expensive cameras hitting the ground at terminal
velocity.
> 
> Stephen Gray from the University of Bristol's Department
of Archaeology has written a much-needed good practice guide to
conducting an archaeological survey using a UAV. The guide is the result
of months of research and field work; it sets out a standard and safe
approach which can be carried out using inexpensive equipment.
> 
> Part
One of the guide, produced in collaboration with Jisc, suggests good
practice when collecting data.
>
http://www.jiscdigitalmedia.ac.uk/infokit/3d/uav-survey [3]
> 
> Part
Two is published by the Archaeology Data Service and is focused on the
sharing and preservation of low-altitude aerial survey data.
>
http://guides.archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/g2gp/AerialPht_UAV [4]




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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] english heritage

[rodward]

Andy,

Getting the photos CC licenced would be good, however most 
counties/areas don't have lists of GII buildings (certainly not using 
the template developed for WLM - although many may be too long for 
current template restrictions). Perhaps any communication with EH could 
include a request for the data & then the same semi automated 
development processes applied to creating the lists (would make it much 
easier if GII are included next year).


Also thinking ahead to next year should consideration be given to 
(Scheduled) Ancient Monuments, Registered Parks and Gardens, 
Battlefields, Wrecks etc for inclusion?


One other thought .. The Heritage at Risk list for 2013 came out 
yesterday (the call for photographers/surveyors was tacked on to it) I 
started updating some of the local heritage which appears on it, but 
found our categories for these use old terminology - anyone interested 
in participating the the discussion see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_October_10


Rod

On 11.10.2013 11:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Forwarding to the UK list...

On 10 October 2013 23:38, Andre Koopal  wrote:

Via facebook I learned about:


http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/news/eh-mobilise-volunteer-heritage-army/?utm_source=Hootsuite&utm_medium=Hootsuite&utm_campaign=Hootsuite%20Conversion

a project to survey grade II listed buildings via crowd sourcing.

Is the english team in contact with them? I see connections with
Wiki Loves Monuments at least, taking pictures is a first part of a
survey, and if hey can be convinced to have those under a CC 
licence,

would be very nice.

Regards,

Andre

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Any suggestions of interesting article histories for a comedic talk?

[rodward]

Mike you might want to take a look at the article on Dan Norris
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Norris) who was my MP at the time. Look
at the edit history from Oct 2007 - May 2008 when the article was edited
by an editor with the username Dan Norris MP (many of which I reverted).

More recent edits by IPs may also be significant

It made me smile anyway:-)

Rod

> Hi all,
>
> I'm doing a comedy-science talk on Wikipedia with the theme of 'histories'
> at a [[Bright Club]] Manchester early next month. My current plan (which
> is still subject to change) is that I'll talk about the histories of
> Wikipedia articles, and show some interesting/amusing changes made to
> articles.
>
> An example would be this one:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base&diff=14999825&oldid=14999213
> which was a change purported to be made by the FBI back in 2005:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:64.165.110.114
>
> If you know of any interesting diffs/article histories that could make
> people laugh, then please could you send me some pointers to them
> (preferably offlist)?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Why is UK not part of Wiki loves monuments?

[rodward]

Sorry I seem to have put a cat amongst the pigeons with my query about the
UK not being included in Wiki Loves Monuments.

Following these discussions I took at look at the EH Spatial Data page (
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/professional/archives-and-collections/nmr/spatial-data/
).

I presume the database format which is causing problems is ESRI?
After a bit more digging I found the technical instructions for this
format at http://www.esri.com/library/whitepapers/pdfs/shapefile.pdf but
it is way beyond my database abilities. Would someone at Village pump
(technical) be able to convert it into anything useful or easy to use?

Rod

> On 12/07/2011 12:06, Lodewijk wrote:
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> thanks for your insightful comments. I read about it in the signpost,
>> and couldn't resist to comment.
>>
>> 2011/7/9 Charles Matthews > >
>>
>> On 07/07/2011 11:02, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>> > Hi Rod,
>> >
>> > We've discussed this a couple of times at London meetups and
>> > elsewhere, I also suspect that the UK board have discussed it. The
>> > honest answer is I think threefold, firstly no-one in the UK has
>> > volunteered to run it,
>> Well, there was no clear brief as to what that involved, anyway. It
>> is
>> unrealistic to ask for a volunteer for something that is (i)
>> open-ended,
>> (ii) ill-defined, (iii) to be based on data that can be putatively
>> obtained but no one says where, and (iv) comes without any clear
>> definition of "monument" (quite a serious point). I did look into
>> this
>> matter to some extent, and would be happy to share thoughts. A Board
>> member having said "next year", I moved it down the agenda. There
>> might
>> need to be a budget.
>>
>>
>> (i) the timeline is available here:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Timeline
>> (but
>> would need tweeking in individual countries)
>> (ii) the concept description is available here:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Concept
>> and
>> there is even a clear outline of how it worked last year in the
>> Netherlands with many tips&tricks:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2010/post_mortem
>> (iii) this would be with your local heritage institute. Wikimedia
>> Netherlands volunteers have good contacts with the European umbrella
>> organizations (Council of Europe and Europeana are official partners)
>> and have offered on multiple occasions to bring local organizers in
>> touch with national heritage boards who govern the lists. This
>> happened successfully in multiple countries, I can't see why that
>> wouldn't be possible in the UK.
>
> That would be English Heritage here. There is a file to download on
> their website. Unfortunately it is very unhelpfully labelled. Also
> Magnus Manske eventually downloaded it for me: it is in the format of
> some proprietary GIS (he couldn't tell me what), and for that reason
> (according to Magnus) the location information is unreadable. When I
> said there might need to be a budget, I was thinking that WMUK might
> need to buy proprietary GIS software. (Yes, I know that there would be a
> major row about that with the ideologues.)
>
> There are other routes: local government officers are responsible for
> lists in their areas. That is some hundreds of people to contact,
> however. I found out something about this through an archaeologist
> friend. There is also an online archaeological database I found, but you
> have to pay for that also.
>
>> (iv) this definition is different in every country, because every
>> government has its own definition. We did not want to introduce an
>> artificial definition, but rather go with the existing ones. It would
>> make no sense for us to define a British monument. The UK (or English
>> etc) government already did that for us.
>
> There is a concept of Scheduled Monument, and what it is goes back to
> dealing with English Heritage
>>
>> I am very sorry that you did not ask these questions in an earlier
>> stage, I could have given you these answers then already. However, you
>> ought to realize that the national contest would have to be organized
>> by local volunteers - we will not do that for you. The work would
>> still be with UK people, but collegues throughout Europe could have
>> helped you with advises, ideas and brainstorming. You would have been
>> welcome also to participate in the Wiki Loves Monuments summit in
>> Berlin.
>
> Actually I asked some questions of WMUK; the only answer seemed to be
> that a volunteer should come forward who would do everything. I think
> Magnus got tired when it became plain that it was an issue here of
> dealing with various kinds of bureaucracy. The information we need to do
> a good job is undoubtedly there, and is something that should be made
> available through "freedom of information", but that would

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Searching for academic Wikimedians

[rodward]

Coming late to this discussion, but I'm an academic and wikipedian, & have
argued with colleagues about the use of wp by students - but if they are
looking for someone who uses wp in a module/course then I can't help.

Rod

> Suggestion:
>
> Dr. Markus Kuhn, a computer science lecturer at Cambridge University.
> [[User:Markus Kuhn]] / mg...@cam.ac.uk
>
> Deryck
>
> On 18 March 2011 10:02, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 18 Mar 2011, at 09:31, Gordon Joly wrote:
>>
>> > On 18/03/2011 07:28, Michael Peel wrote:
>> >> The Guardian Education Supplement's planning on writing an article on
>> the use of Wikipedia in academia, and they're looking for Wikimedians
>> who
>> are also UK-based academics that they can talk to (and also academics
>> that
>> have an aversion to Wikipedia). If you think you'd fit the bill, or know
>> someone that might, please could you get in touch asap? They need to
>> talk to
>> someone today ideally...
>> >>
>> > What about Wikipedians who used to be academics (like me!)?
>>
>> I think they're ideally after current academics, but if you're willing
>> then
>> I'll send them your contact details.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
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