Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Some of you may not now but there is one Visually impaired editor on the
Hindi Wikipedia by the name Anirudha, perhaps it would be useful to get in
touch with him and get more feedback.



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I am talking with the Polish chapter to extend the functionality of the
> OpenDyslexic font ... I am waiting for their GO/NOGO.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
> On 15 January 2014 12:08, Michael Maggs  wrote:
>
> > Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward?
> >  Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now
> > needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has
> been
> > done is made easily accessible,  and to work on filling gaps in
> > functionality (covering all aspects of disability).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > WMUK Chair
> >
> > > On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hoi,
> > >> One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> > >> serves one function for people who have a handicap with their
> > perception.
> > >> It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are
> > multiple
> > >> ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The
> size
> > of
> > >> the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed
> (some
> > >> people only see yellow on white..)
> > >>
> > >> If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the
> functionality
> > >> but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of
> > MediaWiki
> > >> and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> > >> OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
> > >>
> > >> Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> > >> being developed.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>  GerardM
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I am talking with the Polish chapter to extend the functionality of the
OpenDyslexic font ... I am waiting for their GO/NOGO.
Thanks,
 GerardM


On 15 January 2014 12:08, Michael Maggs  wrote:

> Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward?
>  Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now
> needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been
> done is made easily accessible,  and to work on filling gaps in
> functionality (covering all aspects of disability).
>
> Michael
>
> WMUK Chair
>
> > On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> >
> > How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
> >
> >
> >> On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hoi,
> >> One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> >> serves one function for people who have a handicap with their
> perception.
> >> It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are
> multiple
> >> ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size
> of
> >> the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
> >> people only see yellow on white..)
> >>
> >> If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
> >> but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of
> MediaWiki
> >> and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> >> OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
> >>
> >> Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> >> being developed.
> >> Thanks,
> >>  GerardM
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[Jon Davies]

Thanks Andy.

Step One I took earlier this week. Expecting a response any minute now
which I will share.
I am very encouraged by what I hear and know we have a few really capable
people who can identify the issues, work with others and come up with a
sensible plan.

Jon


On 15 January 2014 12:39, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 15 January 2014 11:44, rexx  wrote:
>
> > I'm quite happy to continue giving advice on the issues covered at
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility
> >
> > and I'd like to see it adopted as default on the WMUK Wiki, but I
> question
> > the value of volunteers re-inventing the wheel by chasing "gaps" that I'm
> > not at all sure actually exist.
>
> I echo Doug's comments, and have three points and a suggestion to add:
>
> The first step should be to ask WMF what work is already in hand.
>
> Accessibility professionals always recommend testing sites (or planned
> changes to them with a variety of real users, who have a range of
> disabilities, and who use a variety of assistive tools.
>
> The biggest barrier in my experience is community resistance to
> accessibility improvements (witness the alt text issue referred to on
> the parallel discussion on the WMUK wiki, where alt text descriptions
> of images were deemed "too subjective" and "unverifiable").
>
> I suggest we ask Bruce Lawson, accessibility and web standards
> advocate (disclosure; and a personal friend) with Opera (the browser
> vendor) to review Wikipedia and one to two sister sites, and give a
> talk at Wikimania (or, if he's not available, to recommend someone who
> can).
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[Andy Mabbett]

On 15 January 2014 11:44, rexx  wrote:

> I'm quite happy to continue giving advice on the issues covered at
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility
>
> and I'd like to see it adopted as default on the WMUK Wiki, but I question
> the value of volunteers re-inventing the wheel by chasing "gaps" that I'm
> not at all sure actually exist.

I echo Doug's comments, and have three points and a suggestion to add:

The first step should be to ask WMF what work is already in hand.

Accessibility professionals always recommend testing sites (or planned
changes to them with a variety of real users, who have a range of
disabilities, and who use a variety of assistive tools.

The biggest barrier in my experience is community resistance to
accessibility improvements (witness the alt text issue referred to on
the parallel discussion on the WMUK wiki, where alt text descriptions
of images were deemed "too subjective" and "unverifiable").

I suggest we ask Bruce Lawson, accessibility and web standards
advocate (disclosure; and a personal friend) with Opera (the browser
vendor) to review Wikipedia and one to two sister sites, and give a
talk at Wikimania (or, if he's not available, to recommend someone who
can).

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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[rexx]

The single biggest problem, Michael, is that when one talks in the
abstract, we end up chasing illusory problems that don't actually have any
impact. It's very difficult to create systems that are always 100%
accessible by all if we start by trying to second-guess what accessibility
problems visitors might encounter.

What we need is a well-advertised "clearing centre" where anybody who
experiences an accessibility problem on one of our sites can register their
problem, which would then allow us to examine it and provide the most
effective solution.

I'm quite happy to continue giving advice on the issues covered at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility

and I'd like to see it adopted as default on the WMUK Wiki, but I question
the value of volunteers re-inventing the wheel by chasing "gaps" that I'm
not at all sure actually exist.

-- 
Doug




On 15 January 2014 11:08, Michael Maggs  wrote:

> Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward?
>  Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now
> needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been
> done is made easily accessible,  and to work on filling gaps in
> functionality (covering all aspects of disability).
>
> Michael
>
> WMUK Chair
>
> > On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies 
> wrote:
> >
> > How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
> >
> >
> >> On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hoi,
> >> One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
> >> serves one function for people who have a handicap with their
> perception.
> >> It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are
> multiple
> >> ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size
> of
> >> the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
> >> people only see yellow on white..)
> >>
> >> If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
> >> but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of
> MediaWiki
> >> and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
> >> OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
> >>
> >> Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
> >> being developed.
> >> Thanks,
> >>  GerardM
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired

[Michael Maggs]

Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward?  
Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now needs 
some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been done is 
made easily accessible,  and to work on filling gaps in functionality (covering 
all aspects of disability). 

Michael

WMUK Chair

> On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies  wrote:
> 
> How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :)
> 
> 
>> On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hoi,
>> One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already
>> serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception.
>> It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple
>> ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of
>> the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some
>> people only see yellow on white..)
>> 
>> If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality
>> but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki
>> and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find
>> OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)...
>> 
>> Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is
>> being developed.
>> Thanks,
>>  GerardM
>> 
>> 

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