Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-18 Thread Jon Davies 
Yes has been picked but the lawyers are discussing details so unwilling to
announce yet. Quite frustrating really.  When announced they will be
reaching out to the community.

On 18 October 2012 11:26, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Has the independent reviewer been picked yet?
>
> And if or when they have, could you publish the reviewer's name and
> contact information?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe 
Has the independent reviewer been picked yet?

And if or when they have, could you publish the reviewer's name and contact
information?

Thanks.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Andrew Turvey 
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Tom Holden
wrote:

> Is there a role for an advisory board? It was discussed a while back.
> Perhaps some of the long serving former board members could be invited to
> be on it (Andrew T., Joe S., Tom D.)?
>
> A little bit of an external check of "are we doing something basically
> sensible" might help.
>
>
+1

And I'd hope you would be on it too :)
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Andrew Turvey 
As I've said directly on the blog post I personally appreciate that the
board is willing to acknowledge that mistakes have been made and understand
that damage has been caused.

It is very hard for the board to go into any details while the review is
ongoing. That will inevitably come up with detailed findings and
recommendations and the board will have an opportunity to respond in detail
at that stage. Particularly if there is a range of views on the board, I
don't see the point of going into detail at the moment.

As I've mentioned before, I do hope the board agree to publish the terms of
reference so the community can start to have a conversation about the
detail before waiting for the review to complete.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says
> something...
>
> Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what
> those mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty
> of actual content.
>
> What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems
> caused by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen
> again? That's what people want to know. If you want to wait until the
> review is complete before going into details, then say that. Don't
> post this kind of meaningless drivel.
>
> On 13 October 2012 19:43, Stevie Benton 
> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that Wikimedia UK has just
> > published its latest blog post. The post is a message to our community
> from
> > the Board of Trustees.
> >
> > You can find the blog post at
> >
> http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/10/a-message-from-the-wikimedia-uk-board/
> >
> > As ever, please do feel free to get in touch with your comments.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Stevie
> >
> > --
> >
> > Stevie Benton
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> > Wikimedia UK
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> >
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> by
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> > House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia
> UK
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> are
> > run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Thomas Dalton 
The other option I've been considering recently along those lines, but a
little more formal, is an audit committee. It would consist of 3 trusted
and experienced members elected by the membership and have a mandate to
generally keep an eye on what is going on and to investigate specific
complaints. It would then report to the board or, if necessary, the
membership (and would have the power to call an EGM so the membership can
react to that report).
On Oct 13, 2012 8:41 PM, "Tom Holden"  wrote:

> Is there a role for an advisory board? It was discussed a while back.
> Perhaps some of the long serving former board members could be invited to
> be on it (Andrew T., Joe S., Tom D.)?
>
> A little bit of an external check of "are we doing something basically
> sensible" might help.
>
> And it'd be easier to enforce a hard policy of "no links to the WMF or any
> commercial organisations even vaguely related to new media" on an advisory
> board.
>
> T
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dalton
> Sent: 13 October 2012 20:20
> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board
>
> The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says
> something...
>
> Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what
> those mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty of
> actual content.
>
> What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems
> caused by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen
> again? That's what people want to know. If you want to wait until the
> review is complete before going into details, then say that. Don't post
> this kind of meaningless drivel.
>
> On 13 October 2012 19:43, Stevie Benton 
> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that Wikimedia UK has
> > just published its latest blog post. The post is a message to our
> > community from the Board of Trustees.
> >
> > You can find the blog post at
> > http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/10/a-message-from-the-wikimedia-uk-b
> > oard/
> >
> > As ever, please do feel free to get in touch with your comments.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Stevie
> >
> > --
> >
> > Stevie Benton
> > Communications Organiser
> > Wikimedia UK
> > +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
> > @StevieBenton
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company
> > Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No.
> 6741827.
> > Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,
> > Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United
> > Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
> > control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Tom Holden 
Is there a role for an advisory board? It was discussed a while back. Perhaps 
some of the long serving former board members could be invited to be on it 
(Andrew T., Joe S., Tom D.)?

A little bit of an external check of "are we doing something basically 
sensible" might help.

And it'd be easier to enforce a hard policy of "no links to the WMF or any 
commercial organisations even vaguely related to new media" on an advisory 
board.

T

-Original Message-
From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
[mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dalton
Sent: 13 October 2012 20:20
To: UK Wikimedia mailing list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says 
something...

Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what those 
mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty of actual 
content.

What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems caused 
by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen again? That's 
what people want to know. If you want to wait until the review is complete 
before going into details, then say that. Don't post this kind of meaningless 
drivel.

On 13 October 2012 19:43, Stevie Benton  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that Wikimedia UK has 
> just published its latest blog post. The post is a message to our 
> community from the Board of Trustees.
>
> You can find the blog post at
> http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/10/a-message-from-the-wikimedia-uk-b
> oard/
>
> As ever, please do feel free to get in touch with your comments.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Stevie
>
> --
>
> Stevie Benton
> Communications Organiser
> Wikimedia UK
> +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
> @StevieBenton
>
> Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company 
> Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.
> Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, 
> Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United 
> Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia 
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation 
> (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal 
> control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Thomas Dalton 
The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says
something...

Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what
those mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty
of actual content.

What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems
caused by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen
again? That's what people want to know. If you want to wait until the
review is complete before going into details, then say that. Don't
post this kind of meaningless drivel.

On 13 October 2012 19:43, Stevie Benton  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that Wikimedia UK has just
> published its latest blog post. The post is a message to our community from
> the Board of Trustees.
>
> You can find the blog post at
> http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/10/a-message-from-the-wikimedia-uk-board/
>
> As ever, please do feel free to get in touch with your comments.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Stevie
>
> --
>
> Stevie Benton
> Communications Organiser
> Wikimedia UK
> +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
> @StevieBenton
>
> Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by
> Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.
> Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development
> House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK
> is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are
> run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other
> projects).
> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over
> Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>
>
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Latest WMUK blog post - message from our Board

2012-10-13 Thread Stevie Benton 
Hello everyone,

I thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that Wikimedia UK has just
published its latest blog post. The post is a message to our community from
the Board of Trustees.

You can find the blog post at
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/10/a-message-from-the-wikimedia-uk-board/

As ever, please do feel free to get in touch with your comments.

Thanks and regards,

Stevie

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6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,
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Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
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