Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[John Vandenberg]

this should be a public community discussion. nominated for deletion.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Olympic_mascots.jpg

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Tom Morris  wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
>>
>> Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to think 
>> it's non-commercial...
>
> Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's Crown 
> Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.
>
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy
>
> There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other 
> than the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the 
> OGL. There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are free 
> to reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had other 
> OGL images from other government departments that are also licensed on Flickr 
> as some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.
>
> The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James Forrester 
> and various other people who grok OGL.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Michael Peel]

I meant to add before clicking 'send': I imagine that's what OGL does, release 
the copyright but not the trademark (as is standard for free licenses).

Mike

On 1 May 2012, at 18:58, Michael Peel wrote:

> Trademark and copyright law are two separate things - you can release the 
> copyright on something whilst keeping the trademark. See:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark#Trademark_law
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> On 1 May 2012, at 18:54, Chris Keating wrote:
> 
>> I imagine the mascots are trademarks, and that the OGL doesn't release the 
>> trademarks as well or does it?
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Richard Symonds 
>>  wrote:
>> Fantastic Tom! 10/10. I withdraw my earlier nonsensical question.
>> 
>> Richard Symonds
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>> 
>> On 1 May 2012 16:51, Tom Morris  wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
>>> 
>>> Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to think 
>>> it's non-commercial...
>> 
>> Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's Crown 
>> Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.
>> 
>> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
>> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy
>> 
>> There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other 
>> than the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the 
>> OGL. There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are free 
>> to reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had other 
>> OGL images from other government departments that are also licensed on 
>> Flickr as some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.
>> 
>> The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James Forrester 
>> and various other people who grok OGL.
>> 
>> --
>> Tom Morris
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Michael Peel]

Trademark and copyright law are two separate things - you can release the 
copyright on something whilst keeping the trademark. See:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark#Trademark_law

Thanks,
Mike

On 1 May 2012, at 18:54, Chris Keating wrote:

> I imagine the mascots are trademarks, and that the OGL doesn't release the 
> trademarks as well or does it?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Richard Symonds 
>  wrote:
> Fantastic Tom! 10/10. I withdraw my earlier nonsensical question.
> 
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
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> 
> 
> On 1 May 2012 16:51, Tom Morris  wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
> >
> > Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to think 
> > it's non-commercial...
> 
> Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's Crown 
> Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.
> 
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy
> 
> There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other 
> than the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the 
> OGL. There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are free 
> to reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had other 
> OGL images from other government departments that are also licensed on Flickr 
> as some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.
> 
> The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James Forrester 
> and various other people who grok OGL.
> 
> --
> Tom Morris
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Chris Keating]

I imagine the mascots are trademarks, and that the OGL doesn't release the
trademarks as well or does it?

Chris

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Fantastic Tom! 10/10. I withdraw my earlier nonsensical question.
>
> Richard Symonds
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>
>
> On 1 May 2012 16:51, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:
>>
>> > Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
>> >
>> > Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to
>> think it's non-commercial...
>>
>> Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's
>> Crown Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.
>>
>> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
>> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy
>>
>> There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other
>> than the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the
>> OGL. There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are
>> free to reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had
>> other OGL images from other government departments that are also licensed
>> on Flickr as some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.
>>
>> The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James
>> Forrester and various other people who grok OGL.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Morris
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Richard Symonds]

Fantastic Tom! 10/10. I withdraw my earlier nonsensical question.

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On 1 May 2012 16:51, Tom Morris  wrote:

> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
> > Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
> >
> > Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to
> think it's non-commercial...
>
> Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's
> Crown Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.
>
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
> http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy
>
> There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other
> than the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the
> OGL. There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are
> free to reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had
> other OGL images from other government departments that are also licensed
> on Flickr as some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.
>
> The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James
> Forrester and various other people who grok OGL.
>
> --
> Tom Morris
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Tom Morris]

On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 16:45, Richard Symonds wrote:

> Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:
> 
> Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to think 
> it's non-commercial...

Yes. It's published by the DCMS, and according to their website, it's Crown 
Copyright, and thus under the terms of the PSI Framework, is OGL.

http://www.dcms.gov.uk/copyright.aspx
http://www.dcms.gov.uk/7085.aspx#Flickr_policy

There's no indication on the Flickr page that it is owned by anyone other than 
the DCMS, and thus we have good reason to believe it's covered by the OGL. 
There is an existing license on the Flickr images, and reusers are free to 
reuse it under CC BY-NC-ND if they feel so inclined. But we've had other OGL 
images from other government departments that are also licensed on Flickr as 
some variant of CC that's not Commons compatible.

The DCMS are aware though, through Twitter and email. As are James Forrester 
and various other people who grok OGL.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Richard Symonds]

Perhaps I should rephrase my previous nonsensical reply:

Is this really OGL? I suppose it is, but the Flickr account seems to think
it's non-commercial...

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On 1 May 2012 16:30, Tom Morris  wrote:

> I proudly present, those ghastly Olympics mascots, now available on
> Wikimedia Commons:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Olympic_mascots.jpg
>
> I shall now await being sued by Lord Coe and the LOGOC and/or a massive
> deletion debate on Commons.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Richard Symonds]

OGL? Is it?


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On 1 May 2012 16:30, Tom Morris  wrote:
>
> I proudly present, those ghastly Olympics mascots, now available on
Wikimedia Commons:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Olympic_mascots.jpg
>
> I shall now await being sued by Lord Coe and the LOGOC and/or a massive
deletion debate on Commons.
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Olympic mascots on Commons

[Tom Morris]

I proudly present, those ghastly Olympics mascots, now available on Wikimedia 
Commons: 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Olympic_mascots.jpg 

I shall now await being sued by Lord Coe and the LOGOC and/or a massive 
deletion debate on Commons.

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