Someone should do a text comparison of Daily Mail articles to identify all the bits they thev almost certainly lifted from Wikipedia!
Jon Davies arnottdav...@gmail.com 07976 935 986 Linkedin <https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jon-davies-4aa3a621> *www.frenchcinema.info <http://www.frenchcinema.info>* On 10 February 2017 at 10:06, <wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Wikimediauk-l mailing list submissions to > wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wikimediauk-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimediauk-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediauk-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - > editor on hand? (Deryck Chan) > 2. Re: BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - > editor on hand? (Gordon Joly) > 3. Re: BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - > editor on hand? (Lucy Crompton-Reid) > 4. Re: Digitisaton of East India Company/ India Office records > (John Lubbock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 17:15:06 +0000 > From: Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs > WP:RS tonight - editor on hand? > Message-ID: > <CA+F5PQ9XuQ2bdw4v0KXVssux3TPu3JY9WUjKZPUo-AS3et4LBQ@mail.gmail. > com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Interesting question from Chris. > > On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse > > sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a > journo > > happy I'd be interested to hear it .... ;) > > > > I think the answer is NPOV and systemic bias. > > For several years I've been resisting the urge of other editors to prohibit > the use of "tabloid" newspapers in the context of establishing notability > of subjects in cultures whose primary language isn't English. I see it as a > necessary trade-off to address systemic bias. > > Case in point: Some AfD editors don't like Apple Daily as a reference. But > they are the only major news outlet in Hong Kong that is openly critical of > the political establishment and supportive of the (perpetual) opposition. > > I guess I'm just adding to David's comparison: > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:47 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > compare - > > * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious > > papers that lean right > > * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics > > and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper > > > > So: > - If blacklisting a tabloid source which sometimes produces questionable > journalism would mean a significant POV gets purged, we allow the lesser > evil of citing sources by lower-quality publishers. > - If the same publisher produces different publications that vary in > journalistic integrity, we treat each item differently. > > Deryck > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/ > attachments/20170209/d1472ef3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:53:08 +0000 > From: Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs > WP:RS tonight - editor on hand? > Message-ID: <6720c7f3-9b30-51c6-67f6-ed9b8b736...@pobox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > ****************************** > A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to > laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail > banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 > because of its unreliability. > > ****************************** > > Source: Guardian Online. > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/ > wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website > > Gordo > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:58:59 +0000 > From: Lucy Crompton-Reid <lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs > WP:RS tonight - editor on hand? > Message-ID: > <CALAB3_B-e4WYscycCMTswem08QJkya3x+GA=N3 > zvuxwayrv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I was > nearly crying by the end of the call! > > On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > A spokesman for Mail Newspapers said: “It is hard to know whether to > > laugh or cry at this move by Wikipedia. For the record the Daily Mail > > banned all its journalists from using Wikipedia as a sole source in 2014 > > because of its unreliability. > > > > ****************************** > > > > Source: Guardian Online. > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/ > > wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website > > > > Gordo > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > > -- > > Lucy Crompton-Reid > > Chief Executive > > Wikimedia UK > > +44 (0) 207 065 0991 > > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > > Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The > Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate > Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent > non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility > for its contents.* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/ > attachments/20170210/92756314/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:06:23 +0000 > From: John Lubbock <john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk> > To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digitisaton of East India Company/ India > Office records > Message-ID: > <CAHEadKm5siUefX+9vKT8JgJm3oZzfRfDhJW_ > tatwauxnntu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello WhereDevilsDare! I would love to discuss this with you and any other > Wikimedians in the UK who might be interested. > > Regards, > > John Lubbock > Communications Coordinator > Wikimedia UK > > On 9 February 2017 at 04:17, Where Devels Dare < > wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > I am an inactive volunteer (at present and been so for a while now), > > chanced upon this thread. In the past one of the projects I worked upon > and > > was hoping would see light of day, some day, was release of thousands of > > India related images by the British Library under a free license. These > > images are part of our Indian national heritage and are of educational > and > > cultural importance. They are from the 17th to the 20th century and > include > > oil paintings, murals, portraits, photographs etc. > > > > > > In 2014 I was in London for Wikimania, with the help of Jon Davies (then > > ED), Jonathan Cardy and Andrew Gray we had a meeting at BL and there was > a > > serious effort to make this a reality but it was just about the time > other > > things took precedence in personally for me and Wikimedia went on the > > back-burner. I attempted to revive talks on my visit to London last > summer, > > in vein. > > > > > > If anyone is willing to take this up, I would be most happy to share all > > the correspondence and minutes of meetings from the past (offlist) as > well > > as try to put them in touch with BL (though WMUK might be better at the > > latter) and try to help out where possible, though I have severe time > > constraints which would prevent me from playing an active part in such an > > attempt. > > > > > > Regards, > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Wikimediauk-l <wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on > > behalf of John Lubbock <john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:57:12 PM > > *To:* Charles Matthews; UK Wikimedia mailing list > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Digitisaton of East India Company/ India > > Office records > > > > If you have ideas Charles, I'm very happy to hear them. I just don't know > > what our connections with the Indian diaspora in the UK are right now and > > whether they'd be interested in doing something on these records, rather > > than preferring something on their own culture. You're welcome to propose > > ideas and to suggest people we might work with. I'm all ears. :) > > > > John > > > > On 8 February 2017 at 13:52, Charles Matthews < > > charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 08 February 2017 at 12:46 John Lubbock < > john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk> > >> wrote: > >> > >> There's quite a lot of interest in this subject also because of the BBC > >> series Taboo, which paints the East India Company in a pretty bad light > >> that is quite believable given what is known about them > >> > >> I think Taboo is great, at a graphic novel sort of level. People should > >> know, though, that the East India Company was run by a board of 25 > >> directors, rather than Jonathan Pryce doing a lot of swearing. > >> > >> Among interesting employees were John Stuart Mill, and Thomas Love > >> Peacock. > >> > >> If anybody wants a somewhat long but illuminating read on them, I'd very > >> much suggest the historian William Dalrymple's piece in the Graun > >> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/04/east-india- > company-original-corporate-raiders> > >> from a couple of years ago. > >> > >> I don't know that Dalrymple is taken seriously as a historian. I > recently > >> enjoyed In the Footsteps of Stamford Raffles, by Nigel Barley, which > >> complements Taboo in its own way. > >> > >> > >> Personally, I do think that if possible we should look at the > possibility > >> of bringing this collection onto Wikimedia projects, but I don't think > it > >> would be an appropriate project for trying to work with the Indian > >> Wikimedia chapter or with the Indian diaspora here. I do think we should > >> look at how we could do that in future with subject matter which is less > >> contentious though. > >> > >> For heavens sake, WP has the mechanisms for dealing with contentious > >> subjects. Communications being what they were, until the invention of > the > >> telegraph, there was a big disjunction between what the Company could > get > >> done from London; and what actually went on in South and East Asia. And > >> what UCL are working on for the West Indies, someone should attempt for > the > >> East Indies. > >> > >> Charles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediauk-l/ > attachments/20170210/ca4a9c94/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediauk-l mailing list > Wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 139, Issue 17 > ********************************************** >
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