Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
Sam, >From the context, I think Deryck meant "all the money we (the whole of WIkimedia) raise (through the fundraiser) will nominally pass through the FDC". I took him to be saying that every pound which WMUK raises independently reduces by a pound the amount we would be requesting from the FDC. In that sense, we don't "steal" donors, just direct their contributions through a different channel that may attract an extra 25% in Gift Aid. Have another read and see if you agree with my understanding. Regards, -- Doug On 29 September 2012 23:41, Sam Klein wrote: > Deryck Chan gmail.com> writes: > > > With the FDC in place, all the money we raise will nominally pass > through the > > FDC pot anyway > > I believe you have been misinformed. Funds raised independently of the > projects > and site banners are not passed through the FDC nor counted in revenue > sharing. > Because fundraising independence is a good thing. > > Sam > > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
This strategy is well in hand. We have been building a broader fundraising, donor and member strategy for reporting to the board in November. Much of this work can now be brought forward. Great minds... On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton wrote: > That's a good positive way to look at this. > > Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and with > the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a > backseat... > > The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this could > be an interesting way to explore other options. > > Tom > > On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking part >> in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but let's view >> this as an opportunity. >> >> Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have a >> lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening the >> charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options paper? >> >> ___ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
Deryck Chan gmail.com> writes: > With the FDC in place, all the money we raise will nominally pass through the > FDC pot anyway I believe you have been misinformed. Funds raised independently of the projects and site banners are not passed through the FDC nor counted in revenue sharing. Because fundraising independence is a good thing. Sam ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
As a registered UK charity WMUK can't simply pass all its income through
the FDC, because the trustees of Wikimedia UK are responsible for making
the decisions as to how that money is spent.
However for the next financial year I would hope we would be in a slightly
different situation where the UK budget is rather more than WMUK's income
and the FDC agrees to grant fund some of its program.
As for Emailing last years one off donors, obviously the WMF and WMUK need
to to discuss this, but I'm pretty sure that there are data protection
reasons that would prevent WMUK simply handing over that mailing list.
Though they might be able to get a neutral third party to match the list
against lists of UK donors to the WMF from years prior to 2011 and identify
the overlap. Logically the WMF should be emailing past donors, and it would
be sensible for WMUK to email its own past donors, especially those that
the WMF doesn't have emails for. In an ideal world WMUK rather than WMF
would email the overlap because WMUK has the more recent relationship, the
tax advantage and most importantly the capacity to set up Direct Debits.
But we do not appear to be in logical times.
WSC
On 29 September 2012 22:14, Deryck Chan wrote:
> I do imply competence as well. With the FDC in place, all the money we
> raise will nominally pass through the FDC pot anyway, so there's no
> "stealing the donors from" WMF.
>
> On 29 September 2012 22:09, Thomas Morton wrote:
>
>> That would be a not-good idea.
>>
>> i.e. it's not an alternative donation stream. And it's similar acting
>> like a spoilt child ("well if you won't let me do the fundraiser I'll steal
>> all those donors from you!").
>>
>> Instead of proving how *important *we are, lets prove how *competent *we
>> are.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 29 September 2012 22:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
>>
>>> Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the
>>> beginning of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts
>>> of money we can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a
>>> sense, an indicator of how important we are.
>>> On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <
>>> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm
assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another
donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the
proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could
simply hand that list to the States
Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of
our donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly
be administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up.
One big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is
at the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get
a few of them to convert to that. If they are higher rate taxpayers or
their employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of
them to go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues.
The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but
just as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into
the charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh.
OK I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we
should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards.
I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the
lines of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the
global Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source
projects.
WSC,
On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton >>> > wrote:
> That's a good positive way to look at this.
>
> Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and
> with the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a
> backseat...
>
> The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this
> could be an interesting way to explore other options.
>
> Tom
>
> On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking
>> part in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but
>> let's
>> view this as an opportunity.
>>
>> Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have
>> a lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening
>> the
>> charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options
>> paper?
>>
>> ___
>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> http://mail.wik
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
I do imply competence as well. With the FDC in place, all the money we
raise will nominally pass through the FDC pot anyway, so there's no
"stealing the donors from" WMF.
On 29 September 2012 22:09, Thomas Morton wrote:
> That would be a not-good idea.
>
> i.e. it's not an alternative donation stream. And it's similar acting like
> a spoilt child ("well if you won't let me do the fundraiser I'll steal all
> those donors from you!").
>
> Instead of proving how *important *we are, lets prove how *competent *we
> are.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 29 September 2012 22:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
>
>> Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the beginning
>> of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts of money we
>> can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a sense, an
>> indicator of how important we are.
>> On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <
>> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm
>>> assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another
>>> donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the
>>> proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could
>>> simply hand that list to the States
>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of
>>> our donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly
>>> be administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up.
>>> One big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is
>>> at the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get
>>> a few of them to convert to that. If they are higher rate taxpayers or
>>> their employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of
>>> them to go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues.
>>>
>>> The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but just
>>> as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into the
>>> charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh. OK
>>> I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we
>>> should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards.
>>>
>>> I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the
>>> lines of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the
>>> global Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source
>>> projects.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WSC,
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton
>>> wrote:
>>>
That's a good positive way to look at this.
Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and
with the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a
backseat...
The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this
could be an interesting way to explore other options.
Tom
On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking
> part in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but let's
> view this as an opportunity.
>
> Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have
> a lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening the
> charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options paper?
>
> ___
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>
>
___
Wikimedia UK mailing list
wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>>
>> ___
>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>
>
___
Wikimedia UK mailing list
wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
That would be a not-good idea.
i.e. it's not an alternative donation stream. And it's similar acting like
a spoilt child ("well if you won't let me do the fundraiser I'll steal all
those donors from you!").
Instead of proving how *important *we are, lets prove how *competent *we
are.
Tom
On 29 September 2012 22:04, Deryck Chan wrote:
> Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the beginning
> of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts of money we
> can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a sense, an
> indicator of how important we are.
> On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, "WereSpielChequers"
> wrote:
>
>> We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm
>> assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another
>> donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the
>> proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could
>> simply hand that list to the States
>>
>>
>> Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of
>> our donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly
>> be administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up.
>> One big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is
>> at the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get
>> a few of them to convert to that. If they are higher rate taxpayers or
>> their employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of
>> them to go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues.
>>
>> The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but just
>> as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into the
>> charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh. OK
>> I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we
>> should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards.
>>
>> I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the lines
>> of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the global
>> Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source projects.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WSC,
>>
>> On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a good positive way to look at this.
>>>
>>> Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and with
>>> the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a
>>> backseat...
>>>
>>> The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this could
>>> be an interesting way to explore other options.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>>>
Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking part
in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but let's view
this as an opportunity.
Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have a
lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening the
charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options paper?
___
Wikimedia UK mailing list
wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikimedia UK mailing list
>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>>
>>
> ___
> Wikimedia UK mailing list
> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
>
>
___
Wikimedia UK mailing list
wikimediau...@wikimedia.org
http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the beginning of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts of money we can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a sense, an indicator of how important we are. On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, "WereSpielChequers" wrote: > We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm > assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another > donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the > proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could > simply hand that list to the States > > > Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of our > donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly be > administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up. One > big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is at > the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get a > few of them to convert to that. If they are higher rate taxpayers or their > employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of them to > go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues. > > The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but just > as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into the > charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh. OK > I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we > should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards. > > I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the lines > of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the global > Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source projects. > > > > > WSC, > > On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton wrote: > >> That's a good positive way to look at this. >> >> Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and with >> the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a >> backseat... >> >> The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this could >> be an interesting way to explore other options. >> >> Tom >> >> On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> >>> Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking part >>> in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but let's view >>> this as an opportunity. >>> >>> Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have a >>> lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening the >>> charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options paper? >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity
That's a good positive way to look at this. Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and with the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a backseat... The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this could be an interesting way to explore other options. Tom On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking part in > the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but let's view > this as an opportunity. > > Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have a > lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening the > charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options paper? > > ___ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediau...@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
