Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging GLAMs to use free Commons images

[John Lubbock]

 'Does the UK chapter have any plans to do more to promote GLAM reuse of
our free archives, or to bang the drum a bit more in GLAM journals
where this happens successfully?'

Hi Fae, from my point of view, I would certainly like to promote GLAM reuse
of CC licensed material more, but this is probably something that might be
more effective coming from Wikimedians in Residence. I wish we had one at
the British Museum, and I have tried contacting people there who curate
various parts of the museum about events we have run in the past, with no
luck. I may have another go at tryng to find a contact in their
communications department. In terms of GLAM journals, also I think that
this is something that might be more effective from Wikimedians in
Residence, and I can tell you that having tried for the past month to pitch
articles to various news and magazine outlets about Wikipedia's 18th
birthday, that it is pretty hard and time consuming to do press outreach.
GLAM journals may be a different kettle of fish, however, and I would be
happy to listen to suggestions about journals which anyone thinks we should
be contacting.

I think that we will have an opportunity later this year when the
Structured Data on Commons project concludes, and Commons becomes
(hopefully) much easier to find content on. I hope to hear from the WMF if
they have any plans to do comms around that event, and am always willing to
listen to suggestions about how people feel we might promote this kind of
important news.

Regards,

John Lubbock

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Wikimedia UK

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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 14:08, geni  wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:21, Michael Maggs  wrote:
> >
> > Would certainly love them to use more images from Commons.  The main
> barriers seem to be:
> >
> > 1.  A perceived lack of legal certainty when using Commons images
> >
> > 2. Lack of in house legal expertise leading to an almost paranoid fear
> of 1.
> >
> > 3.  Hugely greater time and expertise needed to find, research and
> download Commons images, including the requirement to read, understand and
> accept a vast variety of complicated tags, templates and scary warnings.
> >
> > 4. (Sometimes) past experiences with the Wikimedia communities giving
> rise to concerns of bad publicity and reputational risk if they get it
> ‘wrong’.
> >
> > More effort is needed from  all of us to tackle those barriers.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
> And in this case most of the images we do have are US millitary which
> is not without its own issues.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging GLAMs to use free Commons images

[geni]

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 13:21, Michael Maggs  wrote:
>
> Would certainly love them to use more images from Commons.  The main barriers 
> seem to be:
>
> 1.  A perceived lack of legal certainty when using Commons images
>
> 2. Lack of in house legal expertise leading to an almost paranoid fear of 1.
>
> 3.  Hugely greater time and expertise needed to find, research and download 
> Commons images, including the requirement to read, understand and accept a 
> vast variety of complicated tags, templates and scary warnings.
>
> 4. (Sometimes) past experiences with the Wikimedia communities giving rise to 
> concerns of bad publicity and reputational risk if they get it ‘wrong’.
>
> More effort is needed from  all of us to tackle those barriers.
>
> Michael
>


And in this case most of the images we do have are US millitary which
is not without its own issues.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging GLAMs to use free Commons images

[Michael Maggs]

Would certainly love them to use more images from Commons.  The main barriers 
seem to be:

1.  A perceived lack of legal certainty when using Commons images

2. Lack of in house legal expertise leading to an almost paranoid fear of 1. 

3.  Hugely greater time and expertise needed to find, research and download 
Commons images, including the requirement to read, understand and accept a vast 
variety of complicated tags, templates and scary warnings. 

4. (Sometimes) past experiences with the Wikimedia communities giving rise to 
concerns of bad publicity and reputational risk if they get it ‘wrong’. 

More effort is needed from  all of us to tackle those barriers. 

Michael 

> On 4 Jan 2019, at 13:01, Richard Nevell  wrote:
> 
> That's an interesting point. I haven't been to the exhibition myself yet, 
> though I wonder if there was a comparable image on Commons.
> 
> Awareness of Commons as a resource is important especially amongst those who 
> decide on the content of exhibitions. Progress is being made and you can find 
> some images from Commons in places such as the Reading Museum and the English 
> Heritage website. Perhaps it would be worth establishing the level of 
> awareness of Commons amongst heritage professionals.
> 
>> On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, 12:24 Fæ > Finally got around to visiting the Ashurbanipal exhibition at the
>> British Museum.[1] The exhibition is near first class.[2] If you are
>> in London, treat yourself. The use of light projection to help
>> illustrate the ancient friezes was smart, and done in a way that still
>> let you examine the original objects in their normal state.
>> 
>> I was taken aback when I realised that at the start of the exhibition,
>> the delightful twenty foot across print of a panorama of a modern
>> location in Iraq was sourced to Alamy.[3] Later in the exhibition, the
>> modern location photographs I noticed were sourced to Alamy with
>> credits to the photographer. Considering how much impact the Wiki
>> Loves Monuments projects have had over recent years,[4] it is a shame
>> that long established GLAM partners of our Wikimedia projects like the
>> BM, still appear to prefer the ease of commercial stock photography
>> libraries, rather than finding and trusting free images from Commons,
>> or thinking of asking our Community for assistance if high quality
>> photographs of historical locations are missing from our free
>> collections, and might help future exhibitions.
>> 
>> Does the UK chapter have any plans to do more to promote GLAM reuse of
>> our free archives, or to bang the drum a bit more in GLAM journals
>> where this happens successfully?
>> 
>> # Links and footnotes
>> 1. https://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/ashurbanipal.aspx
>> 2. The convention of style over technical precision seems the norm.
>> Failing to include accession numbers on descriptions, a lack of
>> seating and displaying the fantastic library of cuneiform tablets in a
>> case ten foot high and with no useful labels at all, tend to be
>> considered bold choices rather than anything the museum wants to
>> improve
>> 3. The technical photographer within me noticed the slight focus
>> anomalies, possibly due to the way software joins were done, and
>> avoidable with either a far more expensive camera with panoramic
>> features, or by stacking a much larger number of multiple shots
>> 4. https://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Fae
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>> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Encouraging GLAMs to use free Commons images

[Richard Nevell]

That's an interesting point. I haven't been to the exhibition myself yet,
though I wonder if there was a comparable image on Commons.

Awareness of Commons as a resource is important especially amongst those
who decide on the content of exhibitions. Progress is being made and you
can find some images from Commons in places such as the Reading Museum and
the English Heritage website. Perhaps it would be worth establishing the
level of awareness of Commons amongst heritage professionals.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, 12:24 Fæ  Finally got around to visiting the Ashurbanipal exhibition at the
> British Museum.[1] The exhibition is near first class.[2] If you are
> in London, treat yourself. The use of light projection to help
> illustrate the ancient friezes was smart, and done in a way that still
> let you examine the original objects in their normal state.
>
> I was taken aback when I realised that at the start of the exhibition,
> the delightful twenty foot across print of a panorama of a modern
> location in Iraq was sourced to Alamy.[3] Later in the exhibition, the
> modern location photographs I noticed were sourced to Alamy with
> credits to the photographer. Considering how much impact the Wiki
> Loves Monuments projects have had over recent years,[4] it is a shame
> that long established GLAM partners of our Wikimedia projects like the
> BM, still appear to prefer the ease of commercial stock photography
> libraries, rather than finding and trusting free images from Commons,
> or thinking of asking our Community for assistance if high quality
> photographs of historical locations are missing from our free
> collections, and might help future exhibitions.
>
> Does the UK chapter have any plans to do more to promote GLAM reuse of
> our free archives, or to bang the drum a bit more in GLAM journals
> where this happens successfully?
>
> # Links and footnotes
> 1. https://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/ashurbanipal.aspx
> 2. The convention of style over technical precision seems the norm.
> Failing to include accession numbers on descriptions, a lack of
> seating and displaying the fantastic library of cuneiform tablets in a
> case ten foot high and with no useful labels at all, tend to be
> considered bold choices rather than anything the museum wants to
> improve
> 3. The technical photographer within me noticed the slight focus
> anomalies, possibly due to the way software joins were done, and
> avoidable with either a far more expensive camera with panoramic
> features, or by stacking a much larger number of multiple shots
> 4. https://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>
> Thanks
> Fae
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