Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

That's not goals for the end of fiscal years, but driving target, just 
like having a list of articles every Wikipedia should have. :)



Le 11/04/2017 à 16:36, ankry.wiki a écrit :

W dniu 2017-04-11 14:06:02 użytkownik Nicolas VIGNERON 
 napisał:


2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:

I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource
language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.

Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by somebody.
We are not creating that ourselves.
(except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)

How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at least
half of them do.

Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).

We do:
  https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
At least 4 do not allow translations.


It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works

actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list can
at least provoke the search.

Exactly.
I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The Bible, the
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle, Dickens, 
Stevenson,
Verne, some important international treaty and publication from the Vatican ;
it's already a lot more than 10 works available in more than 100 languages)

most != all   (Most Wikisource should have... != All Wikisource should have...)


Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum
( http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful here.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or Venetian
:P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more ;) only the
Bible has more translations).

I have intentionally chosen dead languages to point out that "all" should not
be the goal.

Concerning, UDHR, we have unclear copyright status even for Polish translation:
it is not considered to be an official legal act, no "official" translation;
translated by a Foundation which say nothing about copyright. And even,
translations of foreign legal acts are considered copyrighted in Poland
(according to opinions we have).

Translation copyright problems may exist for many translations of Conan Doyle,
Dickens, Stevenson or Verne.
I also doubt we will get a Wikisource translation of "The Posthumous Papers of 
the
Pickwick Club" into eg. Lithuanian (while ltwikisource seems to be like
a single-user project - at least recently).

We can talk about 1000-100 "base" works in, maybe, 5-10 most active Wikisources.

Ankry

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Creating family tree chart while proof reading

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

If you want to use structured html, a nested list (…) are 
probably what makes more sense in term of semantic for a tree. You'll 
need some CSS to make it looks like a tree, but you can easily find 
ready made example like 
http://thecodeplayer.com/walkthrough/css3-family-tree


The only difficulty here, as far as I know, is that it will require 
specific write access to change this CSS. That is, basic user can't edit 
CSS dedicated files, they can only add inline CSS.



Le 11/04/2017 à 16:23, Alex Brollo a écrit :
Look at it as a table, with borders for some cell. It.wikisource uses 
a Template:Cs  (calling a 
Module:Cs ), that makes easy 
to add specific borders to individual cells. A little bit of colspan 
and rowspan, and you'll get an "elastic" and exportable family tree 
chard.


Alex

2017-04-11 15:03 GMT+02:00 balaji >:


Hi all,
   There is one particular book I am proof reading in
Tamil language. There is a page which has a family tree chart. How
to proof read that. The page I am talking about can be found here
https://ta.wikisource.org/s/938 
. In the current format if downloaded as epub of rtf etc., the
structure is not maintained if page size is changed. How this can
be proof read?

Regards,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-04-11 16:36 GMT+02:00 ankry.wiki :

> W dniu 2017-04-11 14:06:02 użytkownik Nicolas VIGNERON <
> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> napisał:
>
> > 2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each
> Wikisource
> > >> language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
> > >> It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.
> > >>
> > >> Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by
> somebody.
> > >> We are not creating that ourselves.
> > >> (except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)
> > >
> > > How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at
> least
> > > half of them do.
> >
> > Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).
>
> We do:
>  https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
> At least 4 do not allow translations.
>
> > > It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works
> > actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list
> can
> > at least provoke the search.
> >
> > Exactly.
> > I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The
> Bible, the
> > Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle,
> Dickens, Stevenson,
> > Verne, some important international treaty and publication from the
> Vatican ;
> > it's already a lot more than 10 works available in more than 100
> languages)
>
> most != all   (Most Wikisource should have... != All Wikisource should
> have...)
>

True but should != must ; for me here, it's a suggestion, not an obligation
(either way, nothing can really be obligated on a wiki ;) ).

> Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum
> > ( http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful
> here.
> > Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
> > PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or
> Venetian
> > :P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more ;) only
> the
> > Bible has more translations).
>
> I have intentionally chosen dead languages to point out that "all" should
> not
> be the goal.
>

Latin and Sanskrit are not entirely dead and are much more active than most
languages of the planet (more than Breton or Venitian).
I"m not sure, we have the same understanding of « goal », for me it's a
direction, something we should tend toward too, not an obligation that have
to be met.


> Concerning, UDHR, we have unclear copyright status even for Polish
> translation:
> it is not considered to be an official legal act, no "official"
> translation;
> translated by a Foundation which say nothing about copyright. And even,
> translations of foreign legal acts are considered copyrighted in Poland
> (according to opinions we have).
>

Uh... strange... I thought UN documents were in public domain (not all of
them but clearly official documents like the UDHR, and that's why we have
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-UN-doc ).
And http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/Copyright.aspx seems quite
explicit to me.


> Translation copyright problems may exist for many translations of Conan
> Doyle,
> Dickens, Stevenson or Verne.
> I also doubt we will get a Wikisource translation of "The Posthumous
> Papers of the
> Pickwick Club" into eg. Lithuanian (while ltwikisource seems to be like
> a single-user project - at least recently).
>

Sure, but this is clearly not the work I had in mind ;)


> We can talk about 1000-100 "base" works in, maybe, 5-10 most active
> Wikisources.


Exactly! Let's go! Where can we store this? (beside Wikidata of course)

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[ankry.wiki]

W dniu 2017-04-11 14:06:02 użytkownik Nicolas VIGNERON 
 napisał:

> 2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:
> >>
> >> I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource
> >> language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
> >> It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.
> >>
> >> Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by 
> >> somebody.
> >> We are not creating that ourselves.
> >> (except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)
> >
> > How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at least
> > half of them do.
> 
> Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on 
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).

We do:
 https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
At least 4 do not allow translations.

> > It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works
> actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list can
> at least provoke the search.
> 
> Exactly.
> I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The Bible, the
> Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle, Dickens, 
> Stevenson,
> Verne, some important international treaty and publication from the Vatican ;
> it's already a lot more than 10 works available in more than 100 languages)

most != all   (Most Wikisource should have... != All Wikisource should have...)

> Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum
> ( http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful here.
> Cdlt, ~nicolas

> PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or Venetian
> :P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more ;) only the
> Bible has more translations).

I have intentionally chosen dead languages to point out that "all" should not
be the goal.

Concerning, UDHR, we have unclear copyright status even for Polish translation:
it is not considered to be an official legal act, no "official" translation; 
translated by a Foundation which say nothing about copyright. And even, 
translations of foreign legal acts are considered copyrighted in Poland 
(according to opinions we have).

Translation copyright problems may exist for many translations of Conan Doyle,
Dickens, Stevenson or Verne.
I also doubt we will get a Wikisource translation of "The Posthumous Papers of 
the
Pickwick Club" into eg. Lithuanian (while ltwikisource seems to be like
a single-user project - at least recently).

We can talk about 1000-100 "base" works in, maybe, 5-10 most active Wikisources.

Ankry

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Creating family tree chart while proof reading

[Alex Brollo]

Look at it as a table, with borders for some cell. It.wikisource uses a
Template:Cs  (calling a
Module:Cs ), that makes easy to
add specific borders to individual cells. A little bit of colspan and
rowspan, and you'll get an "elastic" and exportable family tree chard.

Alex

2017-04-11 15:03 GMT+02:00 balaji :

> Hi all,
>There is one particular book I am proof reading in Tamil
> language. There is a page which has a family tree chart. How to proof read
> that. The page I am talking about can be found here
> https://ta.wikisource.org/s/938 . In the current format if downloaded as
> epub of rtf etc., the structure is not maintained if page size is changed.
> How this can be proof read?
>
> Regards,
> J.Balaji.
>
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[Wikisource-l] Creating family tree chart while proof reading

[balaji]

Hi all,
   There is one particular book I am proof reading in Tamil
language. There is a page which has a family tree chart. How to proof read
that. The page I am talking about can be found here
https://ta.wikisource.org/s/938 . In the current format if downloaded as
epub of rtf etc., the structure is not maintained if page size is changed.
How this can be proof read?

Regards,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:
>>
>> I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource
language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
>> It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.
>>
>> Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by
somebody. We are not creating that ourselves.
>> (except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)
>
>
> How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at
least half of them do.

Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).

> It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works
actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list
can at least provoke the search.

Exactly.
I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The Bible,
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle,
Dickens, Stevenson, Verne, some important international treaty and
publication from the Vatican ; it's already a lot more than 10 works
available in more than 100 languages)

Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum (
http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful here.

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or
Venetian :P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more
;) only the Bible has more translations).
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Jane Darnell]

Yes I agree - totally wonderful. And there are more ways to make a more
meaningful query out of this (In Dutch #1 is Barbapapa and in English the
Simpsons take 1st place), by either specifying it can'be a film, or just
filtering for inception date before 1970

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> Classification as we have it is a wonder. It is there and it cannot be
> explained. It does serve a purpose though.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 11 April 2017 at 12:44, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
>> Interesting query, thanks! How odd that "sitcom" is a subclass of
>> "literary work"! I never thought of it that way :)
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Magnus Manske <
>> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The 500 most important (as in, number of Wiki sitelinks) literary works
>>> that are (at least partially) in "original language" German, according to
>>> Wikidata:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/mzhd8na
>>> "The Big Bang Theory" item might need some review, but the rest look
>>> good...
>>> Just change the Q188 and the language code for your favourite language!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:58 AM Andrea Zanni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In it.source we made a similar Canon:
 https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Canone_delle_opere
 _della_letteratura_italiana

 Ideally, we should have an item (a "work" item, so basically the one
 with a Wikipedia article) on Wikidata for each one.
 Than we can count how many Wikipedias have an article on it. Basically
 it's Tpt's idea using wikidata and sitelinks.

 Aubrey


 On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jane Darnell 
 wrote:

 You can always start with the lists per country (if they exist). So for
 example I made an article about the first 500 of such a "1000 most
 important works of literature" list compiled for the Netherlands here:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Dutch_Literature

 On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Thomas PT 
 wrote:

 A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per
 page view.

 Thomas

 > Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz <
 psychosl...@culture-libre.org> a écrit :
 >
 > Hi Nemo,
 >
 > We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource
 should have" (with translation possibly needed).
 >
 > What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference
 frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
 >
 > Statistically,
 > psychoslave
 >
 > Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
 >> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that
 we're working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to
 textbooks starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA
 schools:
 >> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarth
 ur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
 >>
 >> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and
 works, I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other
 languages/geographies.
 >>
 >> Nemo
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Classification as we have it is a wonder. It is there and it cannot be
explained. It does serve a purpose though.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 11 April 2017 at 12:44, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Interesting query, thanks! How odd that "sitcom" is a subclass of
> "literary work"! I never thought of it that way :)
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Magnus Manske <
> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The 500 most important (as in, number of Wiki sitelinks) literary works
>> that are (at least partially) in "original language" German, according to
>> Wikidata:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mzhd8na
>> "The Big Bang Theory" item might need some review, but the rest look
>> good...
>> Just change the Q188 and the language code for your favourite language!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:58 AM Andrea Zanni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In it.source we made a similar Canon:
>>> https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Canone_delle_opere
>>> _della_letteratura_italiana
>>>
>>> Ideally, we should have an item (a "work" item, so basically the one
>>> with a Wikipedia article) on Wikidata for each one.
>>> Than we can count how many Wikipedias have an article on it. Basically
>>> it's Tpt's idea using wikidata and sitelinks.
>>>
>>> Aubrey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jane Darnell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can always start with the lists per country (if they exist). So for
>>> example I made an article about the first 500 of such a "1000 most
>>> important works of literature" list compiled for the Netherlands here:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Dutch_Literature
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Thomas PT  wrote:
>>>
>>> A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per
>>> page view.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> > Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz <
>>> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> a écrit :
>>> >
>>> > Hi Nemo,
>>> >
>>> > We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should
>>> have" (with translation possibly needed).
>>> >
>>> > What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference
>>> frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
>>> >
>>> > Statistically,
>>> > psychoslave
>>> >
>>> > Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
>>> >> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're
>>> working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to textbooks
>>> starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA schools:
>>> >> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarth
>>> ur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
>>> >>
>>> >> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and
>>> works, I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other
>>> languages/geographies.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nemo
>>> >>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Magnus Manske]

The 500 most important (as in, number of Wiki sitelinks) literary works
that are (at least partially) in "original language" German, according to
Wikidata:
http://tinyurl.com/mzhd8na
"The Big Bang Theory" item might need some review, but the rest look good...
Just change the Q188 and the language code for your favourite language!

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:58 AM Andrea Zanni 
wrote:

> In it.source we made a similar Canon:
>
> https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Canone_delle_opere_della_letteratura_italiana
>
> Ideally, we should have an item (a "work" item, so basically the one with
> a Wikipedia article) on Wikidata for each one.
> Than we can count how many Wikipedias have an article on it. Basically
> it's Tpt's idea using wikidata and sitelinks.
>
> Aubrey
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
> You can always start with the lists per country (if they exist). So for
> example I made an article about the first 500 of such a "1000 most
> important works of literature" list compiled for the Netherlands here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Dutch_Literature
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Thomas PT  wrote:
>
> A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per
> page view.
>
> Thomas
>
> > Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz <
> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi Nemo,
> >
> > We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should
> have" (with translation possibly needed).
> >
> > What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference
> frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
> >
> > Statistically,
> > psychoslave
> >
> > Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
> >> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're
> working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to textbooks
> starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA schools:
> >>
> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarthur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
> >>
> >> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Andrea Zanni]

In it.source we made a similar Canon:
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Canone_delle_opere_della_letteratura_italiana

Ideally, we should have an item (a "work" item, so basically the one with a
Wikipedia article) on Wikidata for each one.
Than we can count how many Wikipedias have an article on it. Basically it's
Tpt's idea using wikidata and sitelinks.

Aubrey


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> You can always start with the lists per country (if they exist). So for
> example I made an article about the first 500 of such a "1000 most
> important works of literature" list compiled for the Netherlands here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Dutch_Literature
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Thomas PT  wrote:
>
>> A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per
>> page view.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> > Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz <
>> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hi Nemo,
>> >
>> > We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should
>> have" (with translation possibly needed).
>> >
>> > What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference
>> frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
>> >
>> > Statistically,
>> > psychoslave
>> >
>> > Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
>> >> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're
>> working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to textbooks
>> starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA schools:
>> >> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarth
>> ur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
>> >>
>> >> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works,
>> I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other
>> languages/geographies.
>> >>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[ankry.wiki]

I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource 
language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.

Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by somebody. 
We are not creating that ourselves.
(except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)

Ankry

W dniu 2017-04-11 09:42:54 użytkownik mathieu stumpf guntz 
 napisał:
> Hi Nemo,
> 
> We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should 
> have" (with translation possibly needed).
> 
> What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference 
> frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
> 
> Statistically,
> psychoslave
> 
> Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
> > One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're 
> > working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to 
> > textbooks starting from those which are most frequently assigned in 
> > USA schools:
> > http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarthur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
> >  
> >
> >
> > I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works, 
> > I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other 
> > languages/geographies.
> >
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> >
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Thomas PT]

A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per page 
view.

Thomas

> Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz  
> a écrit :
> 
> Hi Nemo,
> 
> We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should have" 
> (with translation possibly needed).
> 
> What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference frequency, 
> but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
> 
> Statistically,
> psychoslave
> 
> Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
>> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're 
>> working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to textbooks 
>> starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA schools:
>> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarthur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
>> 
>> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works, I 
>> emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other 
>> languages/geographies.
>> 
>> Nemo
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

Hi Nemo,

We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should 
have" (with translation possibly needed).


What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference 
frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.


Statistically,
psychoslave

Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're 
working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to 
textbooks starting from those which are most frequently assigned in 
USA schools:
http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarthur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/ 



I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and works, 
I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other 
languages/geographies.


Nemo

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