Re: [Wikisource-l] Fw: Re[2]: Validated works on kowikisource?

[Anika Born]

do we have a meta-page with an overview for this discussion?

the question is about a query "proofread status" (that I don't know) and
"validated", "proofread", "uncorrected", "incomplete", "pages/projects with
problems to proofread" (and some others)

second question would be how to maintain.

Only PR2-Projects do have index-pages. PR1-Projects (at least at de.ws)
don't have index-pages (but scans). In de.ws there are categories and
templates that could serve as identifier.

Best
Anika

2017-10-25 15:04 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen :

> Hoi,
> When there is value in having readers, these values will be set one way or
> the other. The point is do we care that people read the finished books of
> Wikisource, how do we indicate what is available for reading and how do we
> measure the number of downloads of books.
>
> Finally how can we increase this.
>
> When we have to this manually, is there a query that shows all the
> finished books?
>
> PS it is not finished until it is finished and read.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On 25 October 2017 at 14:07, billinghurst 
> wrote:
>
>> oops, circulated reply settings weren't correct yesterday ...
>>
>> -- Forwarded Message --
>> From: "billinghurst" 
>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
>> wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: 12/10/2017 6:21:28 PM
>> Subject: Re[2]: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?
>>
>> The validation flag for wikisource on wikidata is a manual switch, and
>> none of the available external tools/toys are able to tweak it at this
>> point of time.
>>
>> -- billinghurst
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Gerard Meijssen" 
>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
>> wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: 12/10/2017 5:14:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?
>>
>> Hoi,
>> What does it take to get the validation-status in Wikidata. If anything
>> it is the most important attribute. Knowing what people can read trumps
>> everything.
>> Thanks,
>>  GerardM
>>
>> On 12 October 2017 at 07:22, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata. The
>>> tool below gets this information from category-membership of Index pages.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books in
>>> Wikisource?
>>> Thanks,
>>>   GerardM
>>>
>>> On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> > No validated works found for ko
>>>
>>> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
>>> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>>>
>>> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
>>> validated-index category?
>>> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%
>>> EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sam.
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[Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Andrea Zanni]

If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]
on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June), but
later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.
I think the new strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we do
in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support from
Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.

Aubrey


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

It's more than ok for me. I think that Wikisource could *greatly* benefit
from that direction.

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Sam Wilson]

This is a brilliant idea, I reckon. :-)


On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, at 06:06 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
> If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]> on 
> behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
> I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June),
> but later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.> I think the new 
> strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we
> do in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support
> from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.> 
> Aubrey
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity>
>  
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Thomas Pellissier Tanon]

I also think that the new strategy draft is going in the right direction. I
am also in favor that our user group endorse this statement.
Cheers,
Thomas

Le 26 oct. 2017 12:39, "Sam Wilson"  a écrit :

This is a brilliant idea, I reckon. :-)


On Thu, 26 Oct 2017, at 06:06 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote:

If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]
on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June), but
later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.
I think the new strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we do
in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support from
Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.

Aubrey


[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[mathieu stumpf guntz]

I don't think the endorsement in itself is of great importance, in the 
sense that it's broad enough to both rise general consensus in the 
community and have no significant commitment consequences (so far, we 
will see what the next phase will come out with).


But showing the existence and activeness of the Wikisource Community 
User Group seems a good idea. Actually I think it makes far more sense 
for thematic groups than for the usual suspect like chapters.


So, as far as I'm concerned, yes it's ok and thank you for doing so.


Le 26/10/2017 à 12:06, Andrea Zanni a écrit :

If it's ok for you, today I will endorse the new Wikimedia strategy[1]
on behalf of the Wikisource Community User Group.
I participated in the early drafting of the strategy (until May-June), 
but later on unfortunately I didn't follow it closely.
I think the new strategy is open enough to be include a lot of what we 
do in Wikisource, and I hope that this will lead to increased support 
from Wikimedia Foundation and Chapters to our project.


Aubrey


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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity




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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/10/2017 13:11:

I think that Wikisource could *greatly* benefit from that direction.


What part(s) specifically?

Federico

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-10-26 16:24 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) :

> Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/10/2017 13:11:
>
>> I think that Wikisource could *greatly* benefit from that direction.
>>
>
> What part(s) specifically?
>
> Federico
>

Hi,

Tough question! hard to say specifically but, here some of my random
thoughts:
- first, the whole process was incredible: very inclusive, collective and
broad (and not just for the « English Wikipedia » as it happens too often ;
even if I know that some exchanges have been heated on the French
wikisource, at least there was exchange), it not meaningless as it can
really be seen in the end result (look at all the footnote with so much
more information!)
- the direction itself :
-- is quite obvious (and it's not a bad point for me, it's always good to
remind some basics and to determine our strengths, and at least it's not
disruptive which can be quite bullshity and can make the community afraid ;
in the end, it feels very natural to me, like something I could have
written myself)
-- stress on the need to open more, towards new public, new systems, etc.
and to improve what already exist on that matter

As Wikisoure rely heavily on external resources (both in entry : scans on
digital libraries, tools like BUB and in exit : tools like WSexport), it's
even more important for us to know that building and improving relationship
with our allies is a direction of the movement.

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Endorsement of the strategy

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Nicolas VIGNERON, 26/10/2017 18:23:
Tough question! hard to say specifically but, here some of my random 
thoughts:


Thanks. I'll try to re-read the whole thing with your points as an 
additional map/lense for it. What I saw previously was more "ondivago":



Federico

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