[Wikisource-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.

2023-08-01 Thread Ilario valdelli 

To better index, you must follow as much as possible structured page.

More gadget you use, more unreadable is the pages to the machines.

Try to have a blind person reading the Wikisource pages with their own 
tools. Will it be difficult for them? Found the problem.


You want to create pages which are more user friendly? But you do it for 
people having eyes. Machines doesn't have eyes.


KInd regards

On 01/08/2023 08:47, Bodhisattwa wrote:

Hello all,

Apologies for cross-posting.

For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any 
Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which 
practically means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which 
are being created in these years, are not searchable on Google and 
hence largely remain invisible on the web.


This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the 
existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our 
past and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM 
partners and any potential new editors. We already have a very low 
awareness and visibility about Wikisource among general internet users 
due to lack of organized support in these years but the invisibility 
on Google search engine could become the last nail in our coffin, 
unless it is fixed soon.


There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December 
2022 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.


Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work 
upon? Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs 
some very basic care, after all.


Regards,
Bodhisattwa
(Bengali Wikisource volunteer)


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Re: [Wikisource-l] Help for a Swiss German cantonal archive

2020-05-27 Thread Ilario valdelli 

Thank you

we will contact you privately.

KInd regards

On 27/05/2020 16:36, Klaus Graf wrote:

I can try to help.

Best
Klaus Graf aka FrobenChristoph at Wikisource.de

Am Mi., 27. Mai 2020 um 11:45 Uhr schrieb Ilario valdelli 
mailto:valde...@gmail.com>>:


Hi all

we have a cantonal archive that would open a project page in German
Wikisource to start uploading historical documents.

Are there German Wikisource contributors here that may guide them? to
undestand the rules in German Wikisource?

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[Wikisource-l] Help for a Swiss German cantonal archive

2020-05-27 Thread Ilario valdelli 

Hi all

we have a cantonal archive that would open a project page in German 
Wikisource to start uploading historical documents.


Are there German Wikisource contributors here that may guide them? to 
undestand the rules in German Wikisource?


Best regards

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Wikimedia-l] Memorandum of Understanding with NDLI, CIS and WMF

2020-03-14 Thread Ilario valdelli 

Thank you for that,

I have checked some languages but it seems that this digital library 
have books of some languages completely taken from Project Gutenberg 
(http://www.gutenberg.org) or from World Ebook Library 
(http://www.worldebooklibrary.org/) and they have their own licenses.


It's not clear what is the library for whom the NDLI owns the copyrights 
and they can donate.


Kind regards

On 14/03/2020 09:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote:

Through this understanding, we will work together on:

- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
<https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/>
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and
Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.


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Re: [Wikisource-l] IA Upload queue

2017-09-12 Thread Ilario Valdelli 
[2017-08-02 08:00:49] LOG.CRITICAL: Client error: `POST 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php` resulted in a `413 Request Entity Too 
Large` response:  413 Request Entity Too 
Large  413 Request Entity 
(truncated...)  [] []

Or the program is not able to process huge files or, simply, the disk space is 
finished.

Kind regards

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Andrea Zanni
Sent: 12 September 2017 10:37
To: discussion list for Wikisource, the free library
Subject: [Wikisource-l] IA Upload queue

Dear all,
someone could help understand if we have an issue here?
https://tools.wmflabs.org/ia-upload/commons/init
Some librarians uploaded books months ago,
but they were never processed.
Is the tool working, or it simply never signals when it fails?



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Re: [Wikisource-l] QR Codes for Wikisource texts

2017-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli 
In all of your discussion I have not undertood why someone should go to the
library to have a qrcode while it is available online.

Kind regards

On 7 Jul 2017 07:22, "Bodhisattwa Mandal" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There has been significant decline in library readerships in India.
> Libraries are remaining almost empty throughout the day. I believe, that is
> because, with the increasing usage of internet, there has been a change in
> behaviour about reading physical books. People are preferring to remain
> online and get information from the internet, rather than to stay in a
> library and study there. The libraries are not also coping with this
> scenario and not upgrading themselves, and losing readers.
>
> Also, the smart phone penetration in India is also increasing. It has been
> estimated almost one third of Indian citizens will use smart phone by 2019
> and that's a huge number. Nowadays, many people who do not have computers,
> have smartphones with cheaper internet than before. But many of them
> doesn't know how to search a book in internet, even if does find some book,
> tends to forget the urls, and unfortunately almost nobody knows anything
> about Wikisource, even from the academy.
>
> Now, if we have a QR code generation system for Wikisource, we can
> collaborate with the town libraries or college libraries, send them the
> codes and help them build a QR code library of books. They can give the
> codes to readers according to their demands, which will redirect them to
> Wikisource. We can also generate QR codes for every book we work on and
> upload them to Commons with a suitable title, creating a QR code library
> ourselves, thus making the codes google searchable and accessible to the
> readers. In every case, the viewership of the site will increase.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Jul 7, 2017 7:52 AM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:
>
>> Certainly, this can be done.
>>
>> Could you elaborate a little more about the use scenarios you are
>> imagining?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:32 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Can we create a Wikisource specific QR code generator tool for the NS0
>>> pages?
>>>
>>> People often forget the urls or sometimes doesn't know the way to search
>>> texts in Wikisource. If we can generate qr codes, that would also benefit
>>> libraries from remote places or readers who don't have computers in their
>>> possession .
>>>
>>> I think it will definitely increase the viewership of the site to a
>>> significant amount.  What's your opinion regarding this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bodhisattwa
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Edit in view

2016-01-05 Thread Ilario Valdelli 
The security or safety is in the person who manages the tool, not in the
tool itself.

Kind regards

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Alex Brollo <alex.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm using a personal jQuery tool into mul.source, named Edit in view, that
> allows a very fast edit of a nsPage page while staying in view mode, using
> mw.API routines to read and save wikicode. It has too a preview option
> using a parse API call.
>
> My question is: can such a procedure be considered safe?
>
> Alex brollo
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

2015-11-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli 
What Federico is saying is really important in my opinion.

Wikisource can have a good impulse offering a huge set of different
languages while other digital libraries are offering the usual and most
used languages.

The best would be to approach the problem step by step and working with
languages having weak communities where the aggregation in a single hub can
offer them a real opportunity and keeping other biggest communities still
indipendent to solve their problems.

Even if the community decides to look for an aggregation, what would be the
next step? Merging all together with an un-manageable change?

I think that the good solution is to improve the central project and to
introduce the best solution to have several languages and to contextualize
the page, afterwards other linguistic projects can decide to look for an
aggregation (may be in connection with the decrease of size of their
communities) or to keep their independence.

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ankry, 29/11/2015 23:22:
>
>> >
>>> >What about two multilanguage Wikisources? One for RTL languages, another
>>> >for LTR languages.
>>>
>> ... and the third for some Asian scripts:
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60729  ?
>>
>> And maybe a separate one for French:
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14752  ?
>>
>> If you dig deeper then more such issues.
>>
>
> Again, this problem is already solved: content language can be decided per
> page. As usual, this is blocked on silly bottlenecks on WMF servers:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T69223
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

2015-11-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli 
Unfortunately the communities use different languages. To improve the 
communication it's natural to split wikisource in different projects.


The same is valid also to implement solutions because it is easier to do 
it in smaller communities than to find an agreement satisfying the whole 
community.


Anyway an integration is welcome and can be a good solution but if 
Wikisource can offer the solution to build smaller linguistical 
subprojects inside a bigger one in order to keep an uniformity but also 
to satisfy the need of diversity.


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On 28.11.2015 14:26, Alex Brollo wrote:

Thanks for interest.
I work mainly into it.source, but I often try to work a little bit 
into other projects too for a number of reasons. I find unknown 
templates, tools, policies, all from them very interesting; and I do 
too some effort to import them into it.source, but it's difficult, 
since diversity grows daily and some good ideas are very difficult to 
implement into different contexts.


I'm only a wikisource active user, not more than this, I've not 
sufficient technical or organizing skills to build a project to revert 
what I see as a big mistake, and I'm far from sure that my opinion is 
right; but I feel the need to share this personal opinion.


About mul.source: my suggestion would be, to activate into it best 
tools and gadgets, best templates, best policies and best docs;  to 
remove as soon as possible any trouble for its users; and to encourage 
users to upload there any multi-language book.


Alex








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