[Wikisource-l] New mailing list for the Wikisource conference

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hello everyone,

Just a quick message to announce that a new mailing list as been created
for the next Wikisource conference: wikisource-c...@lists.wikimedia.org
Please subscribe to this list if you want to be kept informed, this will be
the conference main channel of updates.

Cheers,
As user group contact persons
Nicolas and Nanour


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[Wikisource-l] WCUG - Wikimedia Movement Charter

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

 Hello everyone!

You may have heard of the Wikimedia Movement Charter (if not, you can read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter).

As an affiliate, we - the Wikisource Community Usergroup - have a vote (and
you also have an individual vote, see the previous link).

Please fill this poll: https://wudele.toolforge.org/KYqYxWnnCa5qPxEj before
July 8th so I can then cast the vote for the entire group. Feel free to use
the comment section if you have any.

Cheers,
Nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Phetools statistics for ProofreadPage

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Indeed some things have been lost in the process... but you could
still do similar archives for some of them (and indeed archiving is
always a good idea).

For instance, https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/br/alltime is still
pretty similar to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_20230404_pages_br.svg
and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_20230404_texts_br.svg

Cheers,
Nicolas

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Le lun. 8 avr. 2024 à 14:57, Lars Aronsson  a écrit :
>
> On 2024-04-08 11:03, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
> > Phetools (and many other tools) were recently broken, thanks to Sohom
> > Datta (who may tell more) a replacement can now be found at
> > https://wsstats.toolforge.org
>
>
> Each April, from 2012 until 2023, I have copied or "archived" these
> graphs to
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:ProofreadPage_Statistics
>
> but I don't seem to be able to do that any more.
>
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Phetools statistics for ProofreadPage

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Lars,

Thanks for pointing this out. It was announced on Phabricator
(https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319965) and on some scriptoriums
but not here.

Phetools (and many other tools) were recently broken, thanks to Sohom
Datta (who may tell more) a replacement can now be found at
https://wsstats.toolforge.org

Cheers,
Nicolas


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Le lun. 8 avr. 2024 à 10:44, Lars Aronsson  a écrit :
>
> In many places*, I read:
> Usage statistics can be found here:
> https://phetools.toolforge.org/statistics.php
>
> But that address is no
> longer valid.
> Where are the graphs now?
>
> [*] Some of these places are:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Proofread_Page
> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Portal:Toolforge/Tool_sweep/Lists/5#phetools
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:ProofreadPage_Statistics
>
> *
> *
>
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Introducing Let’s Connect to all Wikimedians

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Bukola,

Thanks for reaching us.
That said, I'm not entirely sure what is expected from us (especially
as Satdeep did a presentation of Wikisource a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygluxvP3dlA ).

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le dim. 24 mars 2024 à 09:34, Bukola James  a écrit :
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> We hope this message finds you well and that you are in good spirits. We are 
> the Let’s Connect working group - a team of movement contributors/organizers 
> who are liaison representatives of 7/8 regions. We are connecting with you to 
> see if you are interested in and/or know about the peer-to-peer program, 
> Let’s Connect!
>
>
> The program creates an open and safe learning space for any Wikimedian who is 
> part of an organized group to share and learn different skills 
> (organizational/interpersonal / grant related / learning & evaluation ...) 
> with other peers to add value and contribute collectively to the community. 
> The purpose is to further develop skills, share knowledge and promote human 
> connections and mutual support between different groups and communities, in 
> alignment with the Movement Strategy.
>
>
> Every month, we host 2-3 live 2-hour learning clinics with interesting topics 
> selected by our team and our interested sharers. Our live learning sessions 
> have up to 4 interpreters translating the clinic for our participants. Our 
> main languages are Spanish | Arabic | French | Portuguese. If there is a 
> specific language you would like to see in the calls, we are happy to see how 
> we can accommodate it.
>
>
> Let’s Connect is directed at Wikimedians in all regions that are part of 
> organized groups (this can range from a group of individuals that are not 
> formally organized user groups, chapters and mission-aligned organizations). 
> Please see our Meta page for more criteria. To participate as a sharer, you 
> can register in this initial registration form where you can register your 
> learning and sharing interests and state if you want to share your knowledge 
> through Learning Clinics.
>
>
> Below, you will find our team of 8 who are excited to meet with you if you 
> are interested. Please email our team at letsconn...@wikimedia.org if you 
> have any questions :)
>
> We look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best,
>
> The Let’s Connect Working Group
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Wikisource Community Meeting Invitation

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

It's in 15 minutes from now.

I'll be there (maybe a bit late).

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le sam. 26 août 2023 à 11:13, Kolawole Lawal  a
écrit :

> Hello fellow Wikisource enthusiasts!
>
>
> This is a reminder that this month’s Wikisource Community meeting
>  will
> commence in less than an hour.
>
>
> You can join the meeting meet.google.com/dwr-ifrx-grb
>
>
> Feel free to check out the page on Meta-wiki
> 
>  and
> suggest any topics for the agenda.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Parthiv and Kolawole
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:17 AM Kolawole Lawal 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Wikisource enthusiasts! We are hosting this month's Wikisource
>> Community meeting
>>  on 26
>> August 2023, 10 AM UTC according to
>> https://wudele.toolforge.org/U9b5TC4QJMPuu1tY. The first half of the
>> meeting will be focused on non-technical updates and conversations like
>> events, conferences, proofread-a-thons and collaborations. The second half
>> will be focused on technical updates and conversations, such as talking
>> about major challenges faced by Wikisource communities, similar to the ones
>> conducted in previous Community meetings. If you are interested in
>> joining the meeting, kindly leave a message on sg...@wikimedia.org and
>> we will add you to the calendar invite. Meanwhile, feel free to check
>> out the page on Meta-wiki
>> 
>> and suggest any other topics for the agenda. Regards Parthiv and Kolawole
>>
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[Wikisource-l] 2022 report

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all,

As I realized during Wikidata, the user group is *very* late for the 2022
report.
I started a report here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2022_Report
but I was a bit away in 2022 (because of my residency) so I may have missed
important events.
If so, please tell me or directly add them to the report.
The goal is to send the report before the end of August.

PS: I'm also working on a report for what happened at Wikimania (and there
is a lot to say ;) ).

Cheers,
Nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Le mar. 1 août 2023 à 12:03, Sohom Datta  a écrit :

> For everyone :
>>
> Plus, the problem is not *better* indexing (that would be great of
>> course), the problem here is that a lot (if not most) Wikisource pages are
>> *not* indexed!
>> If you type "when men went up in balloons" or "The banners rustle in the
>> breeze" in Google (taken from the previous examples), Wikisource doesn't
>> appear at all (and for other examples, when it does, it's incomplete and
>> with a long delay of - at least - several months, the first example was
>> done last week, the second was created in February!).
>> That's why some of us suspect something is wrong somewhere (maybe because
>> of the proofread extension ? and that Google doesn't "see" our pages.
>
> I've tested a bunch of non-indexed pages (some of which are from 2011)
> across multiple Wikisources, it shows up as "URL is available to Google''
> (indicating that Googlebot can see the page). I am pretty sure that there
> is no issue wrt to this specific thing on ProofreadPage/Wikisource
> extension's side (there could be one on Google's end?)
>

Strange. What does Googlebot index if *nothing* appears on Google search
engine?

I'll be at Wikimania in Singapore but not at the Google-Mind The Gap event.

Cheers,

Nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Google not indexing Wikisource for last few years now.

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Thanks Ilario,
That's very good general advice but would you have more concrete and
specific ones?
For instance, what would you change on
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Baltimore_American/Volume_192/Issue_34,925/Travel_by_Balloon
or
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poetical_Works_of_William_Motherwell/The_Crusader%27s_Farewell
?

For everyone :
Plus, the problem is not *better* indexing (that would be great of course),
the problem here is that a lot (if not most) Wikisource pages are *not*
indexed!
If you type "when men went up in balloons" or "The banners rustle in the
breeze" in Google (taken from the previous examples), Wikisource doesn't
appear at all (and for other examples, when it does, it's incomplete and
with a long delay of - at least - several months, the first example was
done last week, the second was created in February!).
That's why some of us suspect something is wrong somewhere (maybe because
of the proofread extension ? and that Google doesn't "see" our pages.

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le mar. 1 août 2023 à 11:24, Ilario valdelli  a écrit :

> To better index, you must follow as much as possible structured page.
>
> More gadget you use, more unreadable is the pages to the machines.
>
> Try to have a blind person reading the Wikisource pages with their own
> tools. Will it be difficult for them? Found the problem.
>
> You want to create pages which are more user friendly? But you do it for
> people having eyes. Machines doesn't have eyes.
>
> KInd regards
>
> On 01/08/2023 08:47, Bodhisattwa wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Apologies for cross-posting.
> >
> > For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any
> > Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which
> > practically means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which
> > are being created in these years, are not searchable on Google and
> > hence largely remain invisible on the web.
> >
> > This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the
> > existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our
> > past and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM
> > partners and any potential new editors. We already have a very low
> > awareness and visibility about Wikisource among general internet users
> > due to lack of organized support in these years but the invisibility
> > on Google search engine could become the last nail in our coffin,
> > unless it is fixed soon.
> >
> > There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December
> > 2022 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607.
> >
> > Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work
> > upon? Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs
> > some very basic care, after all.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bodhisattwa
> > (Bengali Wikisource volunteer)
> >
> >
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Wikisource meetup in Wikimania 2023

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all,

I answered the poll.
The 16, just before the other Wikisource related presentations, would be
great ;)

@InfoFarmer : yes, you're welcome, a meetup is open for everyone
(especially for people so involved like you !).

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le mer. 26 juil. 2023 à 09:50, InfoFarmer தகவலுழவன் <
infofarmer2...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> I am trying to attend by self-fund. May I join with this discussion?
>
> On Wed, 26 Jul, 2023, 11:54 am Bodhisattwa, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> This is for the kind attention of the Wikisource contributors who are
>> participating in Wikimania 2023 that like previous editions of Wikimania, a
>> Wikisource meetup is being planned during this conference too.
>>
>> In this regard, please decide the date and time of the meeting *by today*,
>> so that the slot can be booked for Wikisource.
>>
>> Here is the Wudele link where you can select your choices of dates and
>> timings. - https://wudele.toolforge.org/5nICxeeCFqrMXBK8
>>
>> Please follow the Wikimania program schedule to find out if any of your
>> preferred sessions is going to overlap with the meetup time of your choice.
>> - https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Reviving the Wikisource Project Conference - Seeking Volunteers!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Nanour,

Great news.
Sadly, I don't have enough time to commit to the core team but if I can
help in any other way, don't hesitate to let me know.

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le dim. 4 juin 2023 à 11:28, Agus Pratama Damanik <
aguspratamadama...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Dear Nanour. Thank you for this email. I am quite interested in this
> opportunity. I will be glad if you consider me as COT. I also usually
> talking about this conference with my community in Indonesia. I have a few
> experience managing conferences when I became Event Assistant for
> WikiNusantara 2023 and volunteer coordinator for Wikimania 2023.
>
> Regard
>
> Agus Damanik
>
> A
>
> Pada tanggal Min, 4 Jun 2023 pukul 16.09 Nanour Garabedian <
> garabedian.nanour.w...@gmail.com> menulis:
>
>> Dear Wikisourcians,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well. I'm reaching out to you as members of
>> the Wikisource Community user group to discuss an exciting opportunity. As
>> you may remember, the group was preparing for a conference dedicated to
>> Wikisource in 2020. Unfortunately, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the
>> conference was postponed indefinitely.
>>
>> However, we think it's time to revive this idea and bring the Wikisource
>> Project conference to life. We are keen to bring together like-minded
>> individuals who are passionate about Wikisource resources and interested in
>> shaping the future of the project. We envision this conference as a
>> comprehensive platform for knowledge sharing, collaboration and innovation.
>>
>> To make this ambitious undertaking a reality, we need a dedicated core
>> organizing team that will lead the planning and execution of the
>> conference. I am reaching out to you today to invite you to volunteer for
>> this important mission. We value your unique insights, experiences and
>> expertise, and believe that your participation will contribute greatly to
>> the success of this event.
>>
>> If you are interested in joining the core team, please let me know by
>> replying to this email.
>>
>> Thank you for your time and dedication.
>>
>> Best,
>> NANöR
>>
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Wikisource user group participation in the Wikimedia Foundation elections

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

I just voted for the user group, here are the results from your 11
votes (in order of preference, the one with the more approval first):
Mike Peel
Shani Evenstein Sigalov
Michał Buczyński
Kunal Mehta
Gina Bennett
Farah Jack Mustaklem
Lionel Scheepmans
Tobechukwu Precious Friday
Gilbert Ndihokubwayo
Joris Darlington Quarshie
Egbe Eugene Agbor
Abakar B

Thanks everyone for taking part in the vote!

I'll launch another vote for the final step as soon as the 6
preselected candidates are known (mi-August at the latest).

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le mer. 6 juil. 2022 à 20:12, Nicolas VIGNERON
 a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
>
> tldr: vote here to preselect candidate to the Foundation board 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKhQC-KbSdpfBm-8L0_AIkDTZd0qO8tlrzxTCFJUgVM
>
> As you may know, this year is an election year for the board of the Wikimedia 
> Foundation. The process is a bit complicated, but here are the two main steps 
> for us as an user group :
> - from now until July 15 : preselection (selection 6 of the 12 candidates)
> - from August 15 to August 29 : final vote (selection of 2 of the 6 
> preselected candidates)
> You can see all the details, including the candidates and the timeline on 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022.
>
> For this whole process, I am the primary contact who will cast the vote but 
> we *all* make the decision, I see myself as merely the messenger for the 
> group here.
>
> For the first step, I invite you to vote on this Google forms : 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKhQC-KbSdpfBm-8L0_AIkDTZd0qO8tlrzxTCFJUgVM
> You can select any candidate and how many as you want, the six persons with 
> the most vote "Yes" will be the one I'll cast. The vote starts today and 
> lasts a week, I'll close it on July 13th at 24:00 (UTC). I'll also share the 
> results here and on the Telegram group.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to contact me (in public here or in 
> private).
>
> Cheers,
> Nicolas Vigneron
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource user group participation in the Wikimedia Foundation elections

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

tldr: vote here to preselect candidate to the Foundation board
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKhQC-KbSdpfBm-8L0_AIkDTZd0qO8tlrzxTCFJUgVM

As you may know, this year is an election year for the board of the
Wikimedia Foundation. The process is a bit complicated, but here are the
two main steps for us as an user group :
- from now until July 15 : preselection (selection 6 of the 12 candidates)
- from August 15 to August 29 : final vote (selection of 2 of the 6
preselected candidates)
You can see all the details, including the candidates and the timeline on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022.

For this whole process, I am the primary contact who will cast the vote but
we *all* make the decision, I see myself as merely the messenger for the
group here.

For the first step, I invite you to vote on this Google forms :
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKhQC-KbSdpfBm-8L0_AIkDTZd0qO8tlrzxTCFJUgVM
You can select any candidate and how many as you want, the six persons with
the most vote "Yes" will be the one I'll cast. The vote starts today and
lasts a week, I'll close it on July 13th at 24:00 (UTC). I'll also share
the results here and on the Telegram group.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact me (in public here or in
private).

Cheers,
Nicolas Vigneron
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[Wikisource-l] Re: International copyright and wikisource

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Some explanations/clarifications here :
- applicable law is a millennia old unsolved nightmare, but to make it
short, both US and local laws are applicable on Wikimedia Commons.
- when you say "Finnegans Wake by James Joyce", what are you talking
about exactly? There are a lot of editions, with a lot of
corresponding copyright (and I would say that some - if not most - of
them are already public domain in both the local country and US). Who
is the translator? What is the publication date in the US? Was there a
copyright notice?
- "internet barrier" is indeed not possible (hence my first point)
- "a German subsidiary legal entity" (or any/all other countries) has
already been discussed many times, in the end it's just not feasible
(see previous point) nor realistic (US law is probably still
applicable anyway).

PS: in any case, it will clearly be public domain in the US in 2035,
which is quite soon (we have files marked to undelete as far as 2160
on Commons/Wikisource ;) ) and there is a lot more other work to
transcribe on Wikisource meanwhile.

Cheers,
Nicolas



Le mer. 1 juin 2022 à 21:56, J Hayes  a écrit :
>
> Yes, there was a wikilivres project in Canada (pma +50) but it fizzled out.
> There have also been attempts to have a local EDP or “fair use” of the lesser 
> term, but that would be up to the local wikisource community. (English has 
> resisted this)
> Other institutions have transcription efforts not constrained by commons 
> copyright rules. For example, transcribed si.org
> Sorry about that
> Jim hayes
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:05 AM Julius Hamilton  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> From what I understand WikiSource’s servers are located in the US and must 
>> therefore follow US Copyright.
>>
>> I would like a much deeper understanding of how copyright is upheld online 
>> since it’s so easy to access “foreign” websites, of course.
>>
>> I would like to upload a book - Finnegans Wake by James Joyce - to 
>> WikiSource. It’s out of copyright in Europe but on the US, because they have 
>> different copyright lengths.
>>
>> If we assume US copyright law applying to servers physically located in the 
>> US, that much makes sense. But is there a law that people in the US cannot 
>> access those same materials on foreign servers where they are not 
>> copyrighted? If that’s actually a law, how do they enforce that? They would 
>> need to stick up some kind of internet barrier, internet censorship. Is that 
>> legal? How could they achieve it? Wouldn’t they basically have to get 
>> internet service providers to block a certain domain or something? So… the 
>> government would say, “We heard foreign site X is serving copyrighted 
>> material to American citizens; block that site for all Americans”? And then 
>> the foreign site would respond (to get unblocked) by checking the location 
>> of whoever’s requesting their webpage and probably specifically limit 
>> content depending on region, to comply with the government? (In which case 
>> the user could use a VPN.)
>>
>> What about where a company is registered?
>>
>> Can Wikisource.de - if it’s actually hosted in Germany - host Finnegans Wake 
>> even if Wikisource is perhaps trademarked in the US or something?
>>
>> Does the law work that way, that a company registered in one country is 
>> responsible for complying with copyright law internationally? (I assume so, 
>> it sounds likely).
>>
>> Anyway: if we cannot host Finnegans Wake on Wikisource.de, is there any good 
>> workaround? Wikipedia is a very international phenomenon, it would be too 
>> bad if it only were ruled by American law. Can’t we create a German 
>> subsidiary legal entity for it or something?
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> Julius
>>
>>
>>
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit: Hybrid event on September 9-11, 2022

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all,

Thanks Bodhi. Indeed the deadline is *very* soon. I'll try to launch a
page to select the representative for the UG very soon (Saturday at
the latest).

Does anyone already want to be the candidate who goes there? (I'm
checking my calendar, but I'll probably won't be free to attend this
summit).

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le mer. 6 avr. 2022 à 12:30, Bodhisattwa  a écrit :
>
>
> For your kind information. please see the forwarded mail from Nicole. As the 
> deadline is very soon, I request the community to start a process to select 
> one representative from the Wikisource Community User Group for the Wikimedia 
> Summit 2022.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Nicole Ebber 
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 at 21:21
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit: Hybrid event on September 9-11, 2022
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>
>
> Dear Wikimedia Affiliates and Wikimedia Foundation representatives,
>
>
> I am delighted to share that the Wikimedia Summit[1] is going to take place 
> on September 9-11, 2022. It will be a hybrid event with both on-site (Berlin) 
> and remote participation. Wikimedia Deutschland is hosting the event in close 
> collaboration and with the financial support of the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
>
> == What to expect at the Wikimedia Summit ==
>
> The Wikimedia Summit is the place for Affiliates and the Wikimedia Foundation 
> to come together to discuss and shape the future of the Wikimedia Movement. 
> The 2022 event will be designed around the implementation of the 2030 
> Movement Strategy[2]. It will be a platform to advance the governance reform 
> of the Wikimedia Movement, aligned with the ongoing drafting process of the 
> Movement Charter[3]. It will also be a place to connect better the global, 
> regional, and local implementation of Movement Strategy programmatic 
> initiatives. The event will serve as a working meeting with room for 
> facilitated discussions and decisions. It will also provide space for 
> connecting, celebrating, learning, and planning for the future.
>
>
> Any in-person part of a future event will have to deal with the fact that 
> international travel – including travel to Germany – has become even more 
> difficult or even impossible due to stricter health and visa regulations. On 
> top of that, there is an extremely high demand for conference venues, hotels, 
> and flights in September, which makes things less flexible on our side.
>
>
> The Wikimedia Summit 2022 will be a hybrid event with limited capacity 
> on-site in Berlin. The organizing team will make every effort to create an 
> inclusive, productive experience for both online and offline participants.
>
>
> == Apply now to participate in the Summit! ==
>
> This year, all Affiliate representatives will go through a short application 
> process to develop the list of attendees in a fair and transparent way. Each 
> Affiliate is eligible to participate, if they are compliant on reporting[4], 
> and recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation before 31 March 2021. In order to 
> assign the limited on-site slots, each Affiliate’s engagement and interest in 
> Movement Strategy work will be considered.
>
>
> Each Affiliate can send one representative. Affiliates with a full-time, paid 
> Executive Director[5] get an additional seat for that person.
>
>
> In order to be able to pull the event off under these difficult 
> circumstances, your support and responsiveness is essential, as there will be 
> no exceptions to these deadlines.
>
>
> Representatives of the Wikimedia Foundation (Board, staff, committees) will 
> go through a separate process for application and travel.
>
>
> == Timeline and process ==
>
> Application period: April 4-17
>
> For each eligible Affiliate, one representative participant can fill out the 
> application form[6]. Aside from questions around previous and future 
> engagement in Movement Strategy, some personal information, including 
> possible travel restrictions (visa, vaccination) to Germany is needed.
>
>
> Selection process: April 17-29
>
> Applications will be reviewed by the Movement Strategy & Global Relations 
> team at WMDE as well as members of the Movement Strategy & Governance team at 
> the WMF and we will seek advice from additional members of our movement. 
> Answers provided will be published on Meta to create an overview of Movement 
> Strategy engagement, to indicate opportunities for exchange and partnerships, 
> and to create transparency in the application process. The final invitation 
> list will be announced on 29 April after a thorough review of all 
> applications.
>
>
> Registration period: May 2-13
>
> In order to start as soon as possible with the travel management and the 
> design of our event program around the needs of the participants, the 
> registration window is very narrow. Please stick to the deadlines to make 
> sure the planning of the event can run smoothly; and already familiarize 
> yourself 

[Wikisource-l] Re: Help wanted: local labels for Wikisources on Wikidata

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Sam,

Thanks for sharing this. I added the labels in Welsh for most Wikisources.

Cheers,
Nicolas

Le lun. 2 août 2021 à 10:31, Sam Wilson  a écrit :

> Good question! I meant to call that one out actually, because Multilingual
> Wikisource should have *all* its labels! Especially, actually, in
> languages that *don't* have a Wikisource of their own, because they're
> more likely to be using that one. :-)
>
>
> On 2/8/21 4:20 pm, Ankry wrote:
>
> I just wonder which lamguage description is missing for Multilingual
> Wikisource. :)
>
> Ankry
> On 02.08.2021 09:44, Sam Wilson wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I noticed the other day that there are a bunch of Wikisources whose
> Wikidata items don't have labels in the languages of those Wikisources.
>
> So if anyone knows how to write "Welsh Wikisource" in Welsh, it'd be great
> if you could go to Q24577651 
> and add the Welsh label. Similarly for the rest of these:
>
> [...]
>
> wd:Q18198097  Multilingual
> Wikisource
>
> [...]
>
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[Wikisource-l] Re: Round table at Wikimania 2021

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all,

Thanks a lot Ruthven!
As said on the Telegram channel, I also made a proposition for a meetup
(with no specific agenda as the goal is for everyone to have the
opportunity to talk).

For the record, the proposal deadline has been extended until tomorrow, so
if you have an idea or want to suggest a proposition around Wikisource,
don't hesitate! (I see there is no public individual proposal right now
according to https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Submissions )

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le ven. 18 juin 2021 à 20:09, Ruthven  a écrit :

> Hi all,
>  I've submitted a live round table at Wikimania. Check it out:
>
> https://pretalx.com/individuals-collectives-session-submission-2021/talk/review/BYH9T7SHBWCLUMNXKWQYF3GALKV9WHLQ
>
> It will be the occasion to discuss with Sam Wilson about the OCR
> improvements, and its testing. Possibly Natalia Rodriguez, Product Manager
> at Community Tech, will illustrate us the improvements they have in mind. I
> hope that we will use this occasion to make progress on the technical side!
>
>  Cheers,
> Alex
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Stepping down as an admin for the list

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hello Andrea,

Thanks a lot for giving us some news.
Thanks for all you did and still doing.
It's ok not to be super-active all the time and it's important to take time
for yourself and your family.

I'm a bit busy myself with other things but I could help being an admin on
this list too (the more the merrier). Please add me also.

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le jeu. 29 avr. 2021 à 08:05, Andrea Zanni  a
écrit :

> Thanks guys,
> happy to hear from you too.
> I'm not abandoning Wikisource, but it's years now that I'm focused on
> other stuff
> (having a son changes things :DD)
>
> Give some names and mails and I'll put you as admins of the list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aubrey
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:01 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1000 to what Mohsen said.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 21:11 Mardetanha  wrote:
>>
>>> .hey Andrea
>>> it is very nice to hear from you and it is also very upsetting to learn
>>> you are not active as before, if you need help I can help you with mailing
>>> list, but please stay
>>> Mardetanha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 1:45 PM Andrea Zanni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello everyone,
 it's few years that I'm no longer involved in Wikimedia (at least not
 as much as before), but I'm still admin of a few lists ;-)

 Does anyone want to take care of this one?
 I'm not doing a good job and would love to let others curate it more
 than I do.

 Let me know.
 Cheers,

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Various news

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

Since there was no opposition, I'll officially submit Bodhisattwa as our
co-primary contact.

Obviously, if anyone wants to be involved in the piloting of this group,
they can make themselves known at any time.

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le jeu. 14 janv. 2021 à 15:18, Nahum Wengrov  a écrit :

> Thank you, Bodhisattwa! I'm sure you'll do a good job.
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 3:30 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As noone has responded to the badly needed request from Nicolas since
>> November to be a primary contact person for the Wikisource User Group, I
>> can volunteer to take the responsibility for now until someone from the
>> Wikisource community expresses interest and take over. If there are any
>> objections or comments, please feel free to do so.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 21:25 Nicolas VIGNERON 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope you're all well.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry I didn't post for a long time, so here is some news (not
>>> exhaustive, feel free to answer with your own news):
>>> - first and foremost, the Wishlist is back and it starts next Monday:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 let's
>>> gather our best idea again this year!
>>> - as usual, if you did something related to Wikisource, don't hesitate
>>> to add it on
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2020_Report
>>> (especially in this strange year, if you did some online activities, I'd
>>> love to hear about it!)
>>> - an "Affiliates Data Survey" run by mail and by the Foundation is
>>> coming; I'll get in touch with you soon, if you are interested to share
>>> your experience with the Wikisource community, feel free to contact me in
>>> private.
>>> - here is a very interesting and promising project to improve
>>> Wikidata-Wikisource Integration :
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicite/grant/Improving_Wikidata-Wikisource_Integration
>>>
>>> Finally, as an official user group, the Foundation requires 2 primary
>>> contacts, for now (and since a long time), I'm the only contact, which is
>>> problematic.
>>> Also, for me, I'd be happy to have some help ;)
>>> Are there any candidates?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> For the WCUG,
>>> Nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Various news

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

I hope you're all well.

I'm sorry I didn't post for a long time, so here is some news (not
exhaustive, feel free to answer with your own news):
- first and foremost, the Wishlist is back and it starts next Monday:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021 let's gather
our best idea again this year!
- as usual, if you did something related to Wikisource, don't hesitate to
add it on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2020_Report
(especially in this strange year, if you did some online activities, I'd
love to hear about it!)
- an "Affiliates Data Survey" run by mail and by the Foundation is coming;
I'll get in touch with you soon, if you are interested to share your
experience with the Wikisource community, feel free to contact me in
private.
- here is a very interesting and promising project to improve
Wikidata-Wikisource Integration :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicite/grant/Improving_Wikidata-Wikisource_Integration

Finally, as an official user group, the Foundation requires 2 primary
contacts, for now (and since a long time), I'm the only contact, which is
problematic.
Also, for me, I'd be happy to have some help ;)
Are there any candidates?

Cheers,
For the WCUG,
Nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource Pagelist Widget: Wikisource Meetup

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

I'll try to attend too.
I'm interested in helping to install it on small wikisources (in particular
on br.ws but not only).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

Le ven. 25 sept. 2020 à 04:04, Jagseer S Sidhu  a
écrit :

> I'll attend
>
> Jagseer Singh
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 3:54 PM Sohom Datta  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> We hope you are doing well!
>>
>> We reached out to you a couple of weeks ago to share that Wikisource
>> Pagelist Widget
>>  is now
>> ready to be enabled to Wikisource. Since then, many language Wikisources
>> have enabled the widget but many are yet to do so.
>>
>> So, we have decided to organize a Wikisource Meetup to give a live
>> demonstration on how to use the widget in both wikitext and visual modes.
>> There will be some time for the participants to share their feedback and
>> experience with the widget. We will also provide support in case some
>> Wikisource communities are seeking help in enabling the widget.
>>
>> The meetup will take place on 29 September 2020 at 9:30 AM UTC or 3 PM
>> IST. Google Meet link for the meeting is:
>> http://meet.google.com/khu-dfph-qsd
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing the global Wikisource community connect amid
>> these difficult times when physical meetings have not been taking place.
>>
>> P.S. If you are planning to attend this meetup, then send us your
>> confirmation as a reply to this email, this will help us in getting a sense
>> of the number of people that are planning to show-up. We are aware that
>> this time-zone is not convenient for everyone and more meetups can be
>> organized in the future.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Automatic text tagging and annotation

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Some tools exists outside Wikisource, for instance I know
https://www.textrazor.com/demo who find the Qid of words in a text (very
good quality but proprietary) or https://ordia.toolforge.org/text-to-lexemes
(crude but open, based on SPARQL and for Lexemes), that can generate
annotation on the fly.
It's not easy (there is a lot of questions) but I'm confident that some
things are doable (at least as a POC).

Cheers, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Automatic text tagging and annotation

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Bodhi,

I'm interested to know the answer too. There are a lot of untapped
potentials there but no real plans that I know of.

I'm cc-ing this to C. Scott Ananian who did a presentation on a related
subject during the last Wikimania (
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Transcription/A_general_annotation_service
not automated tho... but as far as I know, this is the closest to you're
idea) and maybe you could provide some answers.

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le mar. 28 juil. 2020 à 17:36, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if any Wikisource community has moved forward to
> *automatically[1]* tag or annotate Wikisource texts or has any plans to
> do so.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
> [1] (without manually adding annotation templates)
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Brand Project] Next naming phase

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

So the vote is closed, the results are :
* 14 voters
* 13 vote "yes"
* 1 vote abstain

Thanks all for taking part in this, I've signed the open letter.
Let's hope this situation finds a constructive conclusion.

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le mar. 23 juin 2020 à 23:07, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi y'all!
>
> Thanks for this Bodhisattwa!
>
> Here is the link to an internal poll to decide if the Wikisource Community
> User Group should sign the Community open letter on renaming :
> https://framadate.org/xfWBsL36rdArxpnH
>
> The vote is open to anybody with at least 50 edits on Wikisource, please
> provide your username on Wikisource so we can check this.
>
> There are 4 options to vote :
> - yes (green tick)
> - no (red cross)
> - maybe (yellow tick with parenthesis)
> - abstain/no vote (grey interrogation point)
>
> Cheers,
> For the Wikisource Community User Group,
> Nicolas Vigneron
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Brand Project] Next naming phase

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all!

Thanks for this Bodhisattwa!

Here is the link to an internal poll to decide if the Wikisource Community
User Group should sign the Community open letter on renaming :
https://framadate.org/xfWBsL36rdArxpnH

The vote is open to anybody with at least 50 edits on Wikisource, please
provide your username on Wikisource so we can check this.

There are 4 options to vote :
- yes (green tick)
- no (red cross)
- maybe (yellow tick with parenthesis)
- abstain/no vote (grey interrogation point)

Cheers,
For the Wikisource Community User Group,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Brand Project] Next naming phase

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Sadly, I tend to agree with you Bodhisattwa! The proposals are
disheartening...

That said, I don't think this is completely pointless tho. The RfC (I'm
guessing you talk about
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia
) has been mostly unheard by the Foundation, that's is why - I think - this
is important to say it again on the official survey. That's why I think our
voices matter here.

If you didn't or don't have time to watch the whole video on Youtube, here
is the summary page of the 3 proposals :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Naming_convention_proposals
(with subpages for each proposal), which I can resume with the examples of
the renaming of the Wikimedia movement :
- option 1: Wikipedia Network
- option 2: Wikipedia Movement
- option 3: Wiki

All three options remove the term "Wikimedia" to replace it by "Wikipedia"
and indeed, there is no statu quo option... But we can still reject all
options (either say they're all "very bad" or rank them from "bad" to "very
bad", for me 1 and 3 are "very bad" and 2 is only "bad").

In any case, Wikisource and the Wikisource Community User Group will not be
rename and are not directly concerned by the current renaming. Still, I
think that the name "Wikipedia" overtaking the whole movement is a bad
symbol and an invisibilization of other Wikimedia projects.

The survey is long (and all questions mandatory) but I encourage you to
still fill it personally and to help me to find the answer for the
affiliate filling. Before answering it, you can see the question on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Naming_convention_proposals/Survey_text
to have an overview.

Should we create a page on meta to collect our point of view and prepare
the global answer? or do you prefer to talk by mails? (you can send me a
private mail if you don't want to speak on this public list, I'm also
available on various social medias, feel free to get in touch with me).

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le ven. 19 juin 2020 à 06:17, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi Nicolas,
>
> I don't think our voices really matter in this case. Check the RfC, people
> are still voting against 'Wikipedia' as a brand name, but the survey has
> only one option which is three variants of Wikipedia. It doesn't even have
> the option of status quo. This is very frustrating to say, but this is the
> truth that we cannot change anything through this survey or participating
> in the process, as the outcome is already decided. The process is just an
> eye-wash to show that the community was consulted.
>
> Personally I feel, this whole process is completely biased, pre-decided
> and non-transparent. There is no point wasting time here.
>
> Regards,
> Bodhisattwa
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 16:10 Nicolas VIGNERON 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all,
>>
>> In case you didn't see it already, here is a reminder that the Naming
>> Convention Proposals Presentation will start in ~4 hours at 15:00 UTC
>> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Brand+Naming+Presentation=20200616T15=1440=1>
>> on YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zlBGHHHiY
>>
>> Something that you may not know, is that the Wikisource Community User
>> Group has a voice in this process.
>> More exactly here is a copy-paste of a mail I received yesterday from
>> Samir Elsharbaty (Community Brand and Marketing coordinator at the
>> Wikimedia Foundation):
>>
>>
>>
>> *Feedback period: For affiliates and individuals from 16 June to 30 June
>> 2020. A collective feedback survey link will be shared with your email
>> addresses next week. This survey is a primary way for affiliates to submit
>> feedback as a group on the proposals. If you would like to change the email
>> address we send the survey to, please let us know. Affiliate Liaisons: The
>> most straightforward way for your affiliate to provide feedback during this
>> phase and the upcoming ones is by designating an affiliate liaison to be a
>> connection point between our team and your affiliate. If you are interested
>> in designating a liaison to receive updates and facilitate discussions,
>> please reply to this email.*
>>
>> I proposed my name to be the liaison for the Wikisource Community UG, if
>> anyone else is interested, they can join or even replace me.
>> And if you have any comments or remarks about the propositions, please
>> share them (before end of June) so I can then share them in the survey.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] [Brand Project] Next naming phase

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi y'all,

In case you didn't see it already, here is a reminder that the Naming
Convention Proposals Presentation will start in ~4 hours at 15:00 UTC

on YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zlBGHHHiY

Something that you may not know, is that the Wikisource Community User
Group has a voice in this process.
More exactly here is a copy-paste of a mail I received yesterday from Samir
Elsharbaty (Community Brand and Marketing coordinator at the Wikimedia
Foundation):



*Feedback period: For affiliates and individuals from 16 June to 30 June
2020. A collective feedback survey link will be shared with your email
addresses next week. This survey is a primary way for affiliates to submit
feedback as a group on the proposals. If you would like to change the email
address we send the survey to, please let us know. Affiliate Liaisons: The
most straightforward way for your affiliate to provide feedback during this
phase and the upcoming ones is by designating an affiliate liaison to be a
connection point between our team and your affiliate. If you are interested
in designating a liaison to receive updates and facilitate discussions,
please reply to this email.*

I proposed my name to be the liaison for the Wikisource Community UG, if
anyone else is interested, they can join or even replace me.
And if you have any comments or remarks about the propositions, please
share them (before end of June) so I can then share them in the survey.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Welcoming GSoC student Sohom Datta

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

This is indeed an excellent news that brightens my day. Welcome Sohom Datta!

I totally trust the co-mentors to help him but is there something that we -
the community - can do to help?

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le lun. 18 mai 2020 à 18:29, Satdeep Gill  a écrit :

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I hope you are all healthy and safe during these difficult times. I expect
> that this news might cheer all Wikisource enthusiasts out there!
>
>
> I am happy to introduce Sohom Datta
> ! He is one of the students
> that the Wikimedia Foundation has selected for the current round of Google
> Summer of Code. He is a first year student of Bachelor’s in Computer
> Science and Engineering. He will be working on creating a widget to easily
> create pagelists on Wikisource. Sam Wilson (primary mentor) and I
> (co-mentor) will be mentoring this project.
>
>
> This project was prioritized because Index creation wizard
> 
> was one of the highly voted proposals in Community Wishlist Survey 2020
> , coming
> at 6th spot, but couldn’t make it to the Top 5. More updates on the next
> steps related to the Wishlist process will follow shortly.
>
>
> Further details and progress related to this project can tracked on the
> related phabricator ticket:
>
>-
>
>  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T247157
>
>
> Feel free to provide any feedback that you might have related to the
> project on the phabricator ticket. We will be regularly providing updates
> to the community as well.
>
>
> P.S. Sohom also contributes to English Wikipedia and English Wikisource in
> his free time under the username: Sohom data
> .
>
>
> Stay Safe!
>
> Satdeep
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Memorandum of Understanding with NDLI, CIS and WMF

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

That's a really great news! Thanks for sharing it.
I browse quickly the content they have and wow, this is really
multilingual. I even found some bilingual books with Breton (mislabelled as
French) and I saw a lot of other minority languages!

Do you already know what the next steps will be? Do you need help?

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le sam. 14 mars 2020 à 09:52, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> It gives us immense pleasure to announce to the Wikimedia community that 
> National
> Digital Library of India
>  (NDLI),
> Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) and Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) have
> signed a tripartite non-binding Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for a
> 2-years partnership. National Digital Library of India is a Ministry of
> Human Resource Development
> 
> project, developed at IIT Kharagpur
> 
> which aims to build a virtual repository of learning resources and
> literature metadata.
>
> Through this understanding, we will work together on:
>
>- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
>
>- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
>metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
>- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata
>and Wikisource.
>- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
>Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.
>
> After months of discussion among the three parties, the understanding was
> finalized during International Symposium on Knowledge Engineering for
> Digital Library Design 2019,  an
> international conference organized collaboratively by NDLI and UNESCO at IIT
> Delhi ,
> where WMF was a technical partner.
>
> Many apologies for cross-posting the announcement in different relevant
> mailing lists.
>
> Regards,
> Jayanta and Bodhisattwa
> CIS-A2K
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Quick update: I just learned that the physical Wikimedia Summit is *cancelled
*« due to the global health situation (COVID-19) ». The organisation
is « currently
look into hosting the Summit in a series of virtual meetings »

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 15:04, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> The meeting is over. Thank you all !
>
> You can find some notes on https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WCUG
> In a nutshell: I'm applying to go to the Wikimedia Summit to represent the
> Wikisource User Group. We will do an other meeting before the conference to
> have a consensual position of the community.
>
> Cheers, ~nicolas
>
> Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 13:31, Nicolas VIGNERON 
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Reminder: the meeting will start in 30 minutes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~nicolas
>>
>> Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 11:36, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> Nicolas VIGNERON, 13/12/19 12:21:
>>> > If there is no objection, then the meeting is tomorrow Saturday at
>>> 13:00 (1
>>> > pm) UTC
>>>
>>> Thank you. I have the assembly of another association at the same time
>>> so I can't attend, but I'll read the notes.
>>>
>>> This year I may be able to attend the meeting, if you find a use in me
>>> doing so. I think the last time I went was almost ten years ago (I was
>>> already advocating for Wikisource and sister projects back then;
>>> according to my notes, the only other person mentioning them from the
>>> stage was Ting!). I can easily wear a Wikisource-only hat while storing
>>> away my hats as WMIT/WMFI/WMDE member.
>>>
>>> I have participated a bit in the strategy meetings in Stockholm but not
>>> so much in the overall process otherwise. (I was more active in the 2009
>>> strategy and I still stand by my proposals.*) This means I would need to
>>> study the documents more before going, but on the other hand it also
>>> means I'm currently a neutral vessel for whatever message the group
>>> might want me to deliver.
>>>
>>> That said, it's of course better if someone more directly involved in
>>> the daily activities of the group can go instead.
>>>
>>> Federico
>>>
>>> (*) <https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Make_Wikisource_scale>
>>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource Community User Group 2019 report

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Thanks to everyone who helped for this year report.
And congrats to those who actually did the action and events. This is
wonderful to see such an active and vibrant community!

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le mer. 12 févr. 2020 à 07:31, Mardetanha  a
écrit :

> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 2:38 PM Ankry  wrote:
>
>> Dear subscribers,
>>
>> the 2019 report of Wikisource Community User Group is ready:
>>
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/2019_Report
>>
>> Thank you very much to all who helped with the work on it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>Ankry
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

The meeting is over. Thank you all !

You can find some notes on https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WCUG
In a nutshell: I'm applying to go to the Wikimedia Summit to represent the
Wikisource User Group. We will do an other meeting before the conference to
have a consensual position of the community.

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 13:31, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> Reminder: the meeting will start in 30 minutes.
>
> Cheers,
> ~nicolas
>
> Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 11:36, Federico Leva (Nemo)  a
> écrit :
>
>> Nicolas VIGNERON, 13/12/19 12:21:
>> > If there is no objection, then the meeting is tomorrow Saturday at
>> 13:00 (1
>> > pm) UTC
>>
>> Thank you. I have the assembly of another association at the same time
>> so I can't attend, but I'll read the notes.
>>
>> This year I may be able to attend the meeting, if you find a use in me
>> doing so. I think the last time I went was almost ten years ago (I was
>> already advocating for Wikisource and sister projects back then;
>> according to my notes, the only other person mentioning them from the
>> stage was Ting!). I can easily wear a Wikisource-only hat while storing
>> away my hats as WMIT/WMFI/WMDE member.
>>
>> I have participated a bit in the strategy meetings in Stockholm but not
>> so much in the overall process otherwise. (I was more active in the 2009
>> strategy and I still stand by my proposals.*) This means I would need to
>> study the documents more before going, but on the other hand it also
>> means I'm currently a neutral vessel for whatever message the group
>> might want me to deliver.
>>
>> That said, it's of course better if someone more directly involved in
>> the daily activities of the group can go instead.
>>
>> Federico
>>
>> (*) <https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Make_Wikisource_scale>
>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Reminder: the meeting will start in 30 minutes.

Cheers,
~nicolas

Le sam. 14 déc. 2019 à 11:36, Federico Leva (Nemo)  a
écrit :

> Nicolas VIGNERON, 13/12/19 12:21:
> > If there is no objection, then the meeting is tomorrow Saturday at 13:00
> (1
> > pm) UTC
>
> Thank you. I have the assembly of another association at the same time
> so I can't attend, but I'll read the notes.
>
> This year I may be able to attend the meeting, if you find a use in me
> doing so. I think the last time I went was almost ten years ago (I was
> already advocating for Wikisource and sister projects back then;
> according to my notes, the only other person mentioning them from the
> stage was Ting!). I can easily wear a Wikisource-only hat while storing
> away my hats as WMIT/WMFI/WMDE member.
>
> I have participated a bit in the strategy meetings in Stockholm but not
> so much in the overall process otherwise. (I was more active in the 2009
> strategy and I still stand by my proposals.*) This means I would need to
> study the documents more before going, but on the other hand it also
> means I'm currently a neutral vessel for whatever message the group
> might want me to deliver.
>
> That said, it's of course better if someone more directly involved in
> the daily activities of the group can go instead.
>
> Federico
>
> (*) <https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Make_Wikisource_scale>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

So according to the framadate (https://framadate.org/DWcnhfcsWQRjFKhP) we
have equality for Saturday and Sunday but Mohsen didn't vote and said he
preferred Saturday (IIRC).
If there is no objection, then the meeting is tomorrow Saturday at 13:00 (1
pm) UTC (time conversion:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20191214T13=195=176=263
).

The meeting will be at this URL: https://meet.jit.si/WCUG (just click the
link, no account needed ; you may get a "Browser warning" but most of the
time it's relevant, the Jitsi devs are tweaking things right now
apparently).
We will take notes on this pad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WCUG
(I already included the four questions about Movement Strategy, is that the
"essay" you are talking about Jim? ping @Bodhisattwa and @Mohsen as you two
are in Strategy working groups your input would be valuable, feel free to
comment in the pad before the meeting ;) ).

See you tomorrow!

Cheers, ~nicolas


Le mar. 10 déc. 2019 à 20:23, J Hayes  a écrit :

> Yes, I concur.
> I am concerned that the conference will be used to rubber stamp strategic
> plan.
> There is some unrest among other affiliates, that they are not feeling the
> resource support from WMF. And that WMF does not collaborate well with
> others.
> (Which goes unmentioned in strategic plan)
> also you may need to don your "corporate speak" hat in the essay responses
> to get invited.
>
> Cdmt, slowking
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 1:08 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nicolas,
>>
>> In this summit, we need an experienced Wikisourcer who can strongly
>> advocate for the project, so that the project and it's communities does not
>> get left behind or forgotten during the implementation phase of strategy.
>> This year, we need to send someone who can opine in the implementation
>> discussion in such a way, that it is at least ensured on paper, that
>> Wikisource will get the support it deserves. It is also needed to
>> strategize for Wikisource for future w.r.t. knowledge equity.
>>
>> Personally I think, you are one of the best persons, we have, to
>> represent the entire community and if you decide to go, you have my very
>> strong support.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, 19:37 balaji,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks Vigneron for starting this up for timely discussion. We need to
>>> discuss how and what to present about our group in the conference. We need
>>> to take into account about experience, opportunity for people, full
>>> availability for the conference.(Not like the same person representing
>>> wikisource also doing other activities in conference), etc while selecting
>>> the people.
>>>
>>> p.s. This year I wont be able to travel during that time. So i am not a
>>> candidate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Balaji.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 6:12 PM Nicolas VIGNERON <
>>> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> According to the reports :
>>>> - 2014 : Micru and Aubrey
>>>> - 2015 : Micru and Aubrey
>>>> - 2016 and 2017 : Aubrey
>>>> - 2018 : Balajijagadesh and VIGNERON
>>>> - 2019 : Gurlal Maan
>>>>
>>>> @Mardetanha and the others: is Friday or Saturday better for you?
>>>> I started a poll to find the best day:
>>>> https://framadate.org/DWcnhfcsWQRjFKhP (feel free to comment).
>>>>
>>>> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>>>>
>>>> Le mar. 10 déc. 2019 à 13:24, Mardetanha  a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> and do we have the list of previous year participants?
>>>>> I am not sure if I can join Sunday, as it is working day in Iran but I
>>>>> will do my best
>>>>> Mardetanha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:27 PM Nicolas VIGNERON <
>>>>> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make it clear, I'm candidate to go to the Summit.
>>>>>> I'm not sure if I'm the best person to represent this user group (UG)
>>>>>> as the Summit is a « focused event for conversations on Movement 
>>>>>> Strategy »
>>>>>> and I'm not always good at Strategy (especially for such a broad group 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> thi

Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

According to the reports :
- 2014 : Micru and Aubrey
- 2015 : Micru and Aubrey
- 2016 and 2017 : Aubrey
- 2018 : Balajijagadesh and VIGNERON
- 2019 : Gurlal Maan

@Mardetanha and the others: is Friday or Saturday better for you?
I started a poll to find the best day:
https://framadate.org/DWcnhfcsWQRjFKhP (feel free to comment).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

Le mar. 10 déc. 2019 à 13:24, Mardetanha  a
écrit :

> and do we have the list of previous year participants?
> I am not sure if I can join Sunday, as it is working day in Iran but I
> will do my best
> Mardetanha
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 2:27 PM Nicolas VIGNERON <
> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To make it clear, I'm candidate to go to the Summit.
>> I'm not sure if I'm the best person to represent this user group (UG) as
>> the Summit is a « focused event for conversations on Movement Strategy »
>> and I'm not always good at Strategy (especially for such a broad group like
>> this UG, indeed we need priorities, hence this meeting ;) ). That said, I
>> have a long experience of Wikisource, I was the representative for this UG
>> in 2018 so I'm not the worst person either ;)
>>
>> For the meeting, I'm also available this week. I guess to gather the most
>> people sunday at 1 pm UTC (13:00) is probably the best for everyone (
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20191213T13=195=176=263
>> ).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

To make it clear, I'm candidate to go to the Summit.
I'm not sure if I'm the best person to represent this user group (UG) as
the Summit is a « focused event for conversations on Movement Strategy »
and I'm not always good at Strategy (especially for such a broad group like
this UG, indeed we need priorities, hence this meeting ;) ). That said, I
have a long experience of Wikisource, I was the representative for this UG
in 2018 so I'm not the worst person either ;)

For the meeting, I'm also available this week. I guess to gather the most
people sunday at 1 pm UTC (13:00) is probably the best for everyone (
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20191213T13=195=176=263
).

Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource at the Wikimedia Summit 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

This year again, we need to select the representative of the Wikisource
Community User Group to the Wikimedia Summit 2020. This year summit is even
more focused on strategy and the deadline is December 16.

There was some issues with last year process (as pointed by Gurlal report)
and time is short, so I think the best would be an online meeting sometimes
this week (when ?).
Who is interested and available ? (both for the meeting but also to go to
Berlin).

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource in Community Wishlist Survey 2020

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

There is only 5 days left to vote on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2020/Wikisource.
Each vote count!

Some proposals already have a lot of support (like the ebook export
,
no surprise here) but most only have a few vote and could use more support.
I would really appreciate if everyone could take some minutes to read and
support the wishes !

Cheers,
Nicolas

PS: in case you missed it, there is also 2 wikisources related wishes on
the wiktionary category:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2020/Wiktionary

Le jeu. 21 nov. 2019 à 07:15, Satdeep Gill  a écrit :

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> Some of you might know me already but I will still reintroduce myself. I
> am Satdeep Gill and I work in the Community Programs (GLAM) team at the
> Wikimedia Foundation, and my work is heavily focused on supporting
> Wikisource. I have been working on documenting various pain points and case
> studies around Wikisource and I will be coordinating with the Community
> Tech team if any of the Wikisource-related proposals
> 
> get voted among the top 5 in Community Wishlist Survey 2020
> . Voting
> began yesterday and will run until December 2, 2019.
>
>
> As you already know, 2020’s Community Wishlist Survey will be focused on
> Wikimedia projects other than Wikipedia, Commons and Wikidata. The
> Community Tech team at the Foundation will then work on the top 5 proposals
> voted by the community. This means that there is a significant chance that
> Wikisource will be receiving more attention this year! To support this
> process, I wanted to share some potentially helpful context gathered from
> my time talking with Wikisource communities in India.
>
>
> Based on a workshop I participated in recently with the Indic community at 
> Wiki
> Advanced Training 2019
> 
> organized by CIS-A2K , I have
> created a list of top priorities for the Indic Wikisource community. This
> might be useful to the global Wikisource community in evaluating Wishlist
> proposals, and I have identified specific proposals that closely match
> these priorities. They are:
>
>1.
>
>Tools/scripts across various Wikisources - There are many
>scripts/tools that exist on some Wikisources and not on others. There isn’t
>enough documentation available to easily localize and integrate them in
>other Wikisources. (Similar to the proposal 
> Migrate_Wikisource_specific_edit_tools_from_gadgets_to_Wikisource_extension
>2020 proposal
>
> 
>)
>2.
>
>VisualEditor for Wikisource/Improving the Proofreading Interface -
>Wikisource uses a lot of templates and VisualEditor for Wikisource needs to
>be designed accordingly. (Similar to UI_improvements_on_Wikisource
>2020 proposal
>
> 
>)
>3.
>
>Tool to integrate book viewing with pagelist creation and identity
>page scan errors - the workflow for creating pagelist could be
>improved by an integrated bookviewer for PDF/DJVU files improving the page
>identification experience and allowing for adding/removing errored pages
>from a scanned file. (Similar to the proposal Index creation wizard
>2020 proposal
>
> 
>)
>
> Check the entire report from the Wiki Advanced Training at the link given
> below:
>
>
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/October_2019/Contents/Wikisource_report
>
> Besides these, it might also be worthwhile to consider the following
> proposal around supporting inter-wiki links on Wikisource:
>
>-
>
>Inter-language_link_support_via_Wikidata 2020 proposal
>
> 
>
>
> Once again, don't forget to vote on your favorite proposals before
> December 2, 2019 as the Community Tech team will be working on the top 5
> voted proposals.
>
>
> Feel free to reach out to me at sg...@wikimedia.org, in case you want to
> discuss any of the above, or to further discuss needs and strategies for
> Wikisource.
>
>
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>
> Regards,
>
> Satdeep
>
>
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> Satdeep Gill (pronouns - he, him)
>
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>
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>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
>
> 

[Wikisource-l] Some (tech) news

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Just some news (mainly about tech-related subject) on what happened
recently on and around the Wikisource galaxy:
- the Community Wishlist Survey 2020 is still open for proposal for one
week, right now on a total of 69 proposals, 25 are about Wikisource!
Quantity is good but let's focus also on quality, don't hesitate to comment
and improve the existing proposals on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2020/Wikisource
- the WikidataCon was 25-26 October in Berlin. There was a Wikisource
meetup and I also did a lightning talk about Wikidata (the video is here
https://media.ccc.de/v/wikidatacon2019-18-lightning_talks_1#t=2377 )
- and last but not least, the Hindi Wikisource was (finally) created. The
bug is apparently fully solved so there should be no more delay for the
next project creations, yeah !

Cheers,
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[Wikisource-l] Wikimania

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Wikimania is in less than a month!
A lot of things related to Wikisource will happen there!

Here is a quick overview:
There will be a room with a full day of presentations about Transcription,
most of them being about Wikisource (see
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Program and
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Transcription) and a meetup (
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Meetups/Wikisource feel free to
sign up! and if you have suggestion of topics to talk about, please add
them to the Agenda section).

I can't wait to see some of you there, and for the others we will share as
much as we can (at least a report).

Cheers,
~nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Fwd: [All-affiliates] ASBS results

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Here are the final official results of the Wikimedia Foundation board
election (with some more explanation on the process).

Cheers,
~nicolas

-- Forwarded message -
De : Ad Huikeshoven 
Date: jeu. 13 juin 2019 à 00:56
Subject: [All-affiliates] ASBS results

*Dear Wikimedians, We are writing to let you know the result of the
election for the 2 Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia
Foundation board. The successful candidates were Nataliia Tymkiv and Shani
Evenstein Sigalov. A total of 122 affiliates voted, 85% of the 143 eligible
to vote, which is a record. As you know the election was conducted under a
variation of the Single Transferable Vote, which meant that prorated votes
were redistributed between candidates to come up with the final result. In
the 10th step of counting the final place, after Nataliia Tymkiv was
elected, was between Shani Evenstein Sigalov (40.519678) and Richard Knipel
(40.480322).  We have put the full count narrative on meta so that others
can verify it if they wish.[1] It is the closest ASBS result for some time,
and all candidates brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the
WMF.  In the 9th step of counting Reda Kerbouche lost by a very small
margin. Adding a ballot with rank #1 for Richard or Reda would result in
them being elected instead of Shani. The same goes for removing a ballot.
Changing the ranking on one of the ballots in a specific can way can result
in a different outcome for the second seat. This is an election in which
every vote counts.  As in any election, there is a chance that some voters
misinterpreted the instructions and voted wrongly. We don't see a
justification for an action as extraordinary and controversial as opening
votes for review after the vote period is over. The instructions were
visible and clear: "Rank any candidate from 1 (your preferred candidate) to
11 (your least preferred candidate)." After voting, voters received a
confirmation email stating the name of each candidate they voted with the
number of their rank: Rank 1, Rank 2, ... The agency of voters should be
respected. As part of the retrospective we may identify areas of
improvements on our side, but still the process was quite simple and
documented. Some voters realized they made a mistake and requested a new
ballot. New ballots were issued in those cases. This choice was done
because of the specific situation of this election, since the process was
complex for new affiliates and participation, diversity and inclusion were
a clear goal.[2] We have published on meta information about who got a new
ballot within the voting deadline.[3] The Election Facilitators have been
available nearly 24 hours a day monitoring the various communication
channels to answer any questions affiliates might have. We did our best at
answering all of them. After our own scrutiny of the data, and based on our
experience in community processes, we strongly advise the community to
respect the integrity of the process, and advise against allowing any
modifications of votes at this point. If the votes had been reopened for
modification with or without publishing vote results, that would have
caused significant confusion and criticism that could have jeopardized the
entire election.  We will publish a debrief with recommendations for a next
ASBS process on meta.[4] We invite all representatives of affiliates to a
feedback session at Wikimania.[5] We would like to congratulate Nataliia
Tymkiv and Shani Evenstein Sigalov and thank everyone who stood.  Regards,
 Ad Huikeshoven, Lane Rasberry, Jeffrey Keefer, Neal McBurnett, Abhinav
Srivastava, Alessandor MarchettiElection Facilitators [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Results

[2] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/Resolution_2019

[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/New_ballots

[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Debrief

[5]
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/ASBS_Feedback
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

The vote is now closed, thank you all for participating.

I just voted, here is the global result from your votes that I put in a
calculator (https://www.cse.wustl.edu/~legrand/rbvote/calc.html) :

Nataliia > Reda > Christophe > Yuri > Maor > Richard > Douglas > Shani >
Taweetham > Kayode > Gerald

I won't give details as each vote must remain anonymous but I can tell that
there was a strong preference for Nataliaa.

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le lun. 27 mai 2019 à 19:10, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> Only two days left!and only 11 voters so far.
> Please consider taking some minutes to vote. It is important, the more
> people vote the more the result reflects our user group.
>
> Cheers,
> ~nicolas
>
>
> Le mer. 15 mai 2019 à 16:02, Nicolas VIGNERON 
> a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> After some discussion (thanks Ankry, Mardetanha and Bodhisattwa for the
>> advices), this is how we will procede for this vote:
>> - Go on this Google form https://forms.gle/gyF941NPjmPbwLvR9
>> - Enter you username (to check you only vote once and that you have at
>> least 100 edits on Wikisource)
>> - Rank the candidates from 1 (your preferred candidate) to 11 (your least
>> preferred candidate), you can give the same rank to several candidates or
>> leave it blank.
>> - Click on the Submit Vote button at the bottom of the page.
>> - To confirm your identity, please sign you username on
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/ABSB/2019
>>
>> The vote will be open until May 29 so I can vote in the name of the group
>> before May 31.
>>
>> As usual, I you have any questions, feel free to ask.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~nicolas
>>
>> PS: there is only 11 candidates and not 12 as I wrongly said in my
>> previous email.
>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Only two days left!and only 11 voters so far.
Please consider taking some minutes to vote. It is important, the more
people vote the more the result reflects our user group.

Cheers,
~nicolas


Le mer. 15 mai 2019 à 16:02, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi everyone,
>
> After some discussion (thanks Ankry, Mardetanha and Bodhisattwa for the
> advices), this is how we will procede for this vote:
> - Go on this Google form https://forms.gle/gyF941NPjmPbwLvR9
> - Enter you username (to check you only vote once and that you have at
> least 100 edits on Wikisource)
> - Rank the candidates from 1 (your preferred candidate) to 11 (your least
> preferred candidate), you can give the same rank to several candidates or
> leave it blank.
> - Click on the Submit Vote button at the bottom of the page.
> - To confirm your identity, please sign you username on
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/ABSB/2019
>
> The vote will be open until May 29 so I can vote in the name of the group
> before May 31.
>
> As usual, I you have any questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Cheers,
> ~nicolas
>
> PS: there is only 11 candidates and not 12 as I wrongly said in my
> previous email.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

After some discussion (thanks Ankry, Mardetanha and Bodhisattwa for the
advices), this is how we will procede for this vote:
- Go on this Google form https://forms.gle/gyF941NPjmPbwLvR9
- Enter you username (to check you only vote once and that you have at
least 100 edits on Wikisource)
- Rank the candidates from 1 (your preferred candidate) to 11 (your least
preferred candidate), you can give the same rank to several candidates or
leave it blank.
- Click on the Submit Vote button at the bottom of the page.
- To confirm your identity, please sign you username on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/ABSB/2019

The vote will be open until May 29 so I can vote in the name of the group
before May 31.

As usual, I you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Cheers,
~nicolas

PS: there is only 11 candidates and not 12 as I wrongly said in my previous
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

The voting period is now open.
Do we want to want to vote as a group? (I'm a bit concerned no-one even
aswered my previous email :/ ) and if so, how should we procede? I was
thinking about an internal vote, and take the results but I fear there will
be too few votes to be representative of the group. I need you, *we *and *you
*need you!
So the big question is: should I launch the internal vote and is anyone
interrested? (for obvious reasons, it would be good that someone assist me
to make sure everything is going fine).

For information, there is 12 candidates (listed with statements on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations,
including the two seats whose terms have expired) and as remarked, none «
mentioned Wikisource specifically in their candidate statement » (source:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:News/2019-05 ).

Cheers,
Nicolas Vigneron

Le mer. 17 avr. 2019 à 13:57, Nicolas VIGNERON 
a écrit :

> Hi all,
>
> As you may know, the election of the Affiliate-selected Board seats (ASBS)
> has begun.
> We, as the Wikisource Community User Group, can take part in this election
> and elected two person to the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> The meta page
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019 give
> some lengthy informations, here is a quick summary:
> - since April 15 and until April 30, people will candidate to seat at the
> board, at this step we can ask question to candidates and *endorse* two
> candidates.
> - between May 8 and May 31, we can vote.
>
> For this whole process, I am the primary contact but we *all* make the
> decision, I'm merely the messenger of the group here.
>
> Here is how I suggest to proceed:
> - right now, write together questions and criteria for candidate we want
> to endorse (WMNL shared this table to help
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Assessing_candidates_for_the_Affiliate-selected_Board_seats_of_the_Board_of_Trustees.pdf
> but it's very general, we should adapt it to this usergroup needs ; here is
> copy of this table https://lite.framacalc.org/asbs2019-wcug we can work
> on). You can also ask question in your own name.
> - in May, we vote for the candidates inside the user group (not sure how
> to best handle this part, I would prefer it to be public but we can do it
> in private too) and then, I will take the results and vote in the name of
> the user group.
> - is anyone interested to be the secondary contact? (I'm a bit busy so I
> could use some help ;) )
> - if you feel the need, we can do an online meeting to talk about it, but
> as we are scattered all around the globe, finding a good timeslot is
> challenging. Would anyone be interested? (or is this mailing list enough?)
> - obviously, any question, idea, remark, suggestion are welcome!
>
> Cheers,
> ~nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Affiliate-selected Board seats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

As you may know, the election of the Affiliate-selected Board seats (ASBS)
has begun.
We, as the Wikisource Community User Group, can take part in this election
and elected two person to the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation.
The meta page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019 give
some lengthy informations, here is a quick summary:
- since April 15 and until April 30, people will candidate to seat at the
board, at this step we can ask question to candidates and *endorse* two
candidates.
- between May 8 and May 31, we can vote.

For this whole process, I am the primary contact but we *all* make the
decision, I'm merely the messenger of the group here.

Here is how I suggest to proceed:
- right now, write together questions and criteria for candidate we want to
endorse (WMNL shared this table to help
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Assessing_candidates_for_the_Affiliate-selected_Board_seats_of_the_Board_of_Trustees.pdf
but it's very general, we should adapt it to this usergroup needs ; here is
copy of this table https://lite.framacalc.org/asbs2019-wcug we can work
on). You can also ask question in your own name.
- in May, we vote for the candidates inside the user group (not sure how to
best handle this part, I would prefer it to be public but we can do it in
private too) and then, I will take the results and vote in the name of the
user group.
- is anyone interested to be the secondary contact? (I'm a bit busy so I
could use some help ;) )
- if you feel the need, we can do an online meeting to talk about it, but
as we are scattered all around the globe, finding a good timeslot is
challenging. Would anyone be interested? (or is this mailing list enough?)
- obviously, any question, idea, remark, suggestion are welcome!

Cheers,
~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Selection of the representative to the Wikimedia Summit

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

The vote is now closed. Thank you all for the participation.

By 13 supports against 11, Gurlal Maan is selected to represent the
Wikisource Community User Group at the Wikimedia Summit.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Selection of the representative to the Wikimedia Summit

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Some people ask me inprivate but that might interrest everybody:
- you can candidate yourself or nominate someone else; in the second case,
the proposed person must confirm he accept to be candidate
- there is no threshold of number of contribution

Cheers, ~nicolas
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[Wikisource-l] Selection of the representative to the Wikimedia Summit

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

The deadline is short and to avoid the confusing vote by email of last
year, we created a page on meta to decide who will be the representative of
the user group to the Wikimedia Summit:
*https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikimedia_Summit_2019
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/Wikimedia_Summit_2019>*

The vote will be in two parts:
- starting tomorrow and for a week, people can add their name and a short
explanation on who they are and why they want to go to the summit
- next week, the community vote to designate the representative

For the context, Wikimedia Summit will be in Berlin, 29 March - 2 April
2019 (last year, it was called "Wikimedia Conference" and "Chapters
Meeting" the previous years).
Here is a short report on what happened last year:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Wikisource_Community_User_Group
.
This year, fewer people are invited (one instead of two for us) and the
summit will focus on strategy and governance.
As usual, feel free to ask more and any question.

*Disclaimer: I probably won't candidate myself, except if there is 2 or
less candidates.*

Cheers,
For the Wikisource Community User Group,
Nicolas Vigneron
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[Wikisource-l] Voting for Community Wishlist Survey 2018

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

 Hi all!

The voting period is now opened until 30 November.
You can see the proposals for Wikisource and enter your votes here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Wikisource

It is *very* important to vote (even if you don't fully agree on how the
proposal is written), the Foundation tech team looks at all proposals but
only the top 10 wishes are sure to be addressed. So the more vote there is,
the better chance that the team will spend time and resource on the
proposal.

Cheers,
Nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Oh !

Thank you Mohsen and don't be sorry! I was sure I did this report but
indeed I didn't, I'll take care of that next week.

By the way, I'm back for the GLAMwiki conference in Tel Aviv, where we
talked a lot about Wikisource (including in the official keynotes from the
Foundation \o/ ).
One point that came a lot was the lack of documentation about Wikisource
(I'm to blame here but apparently I'm not the only one ;) ). This is really
something we should work on.

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le mer. 7 nov. 2018 à 18:35, Mardetanha  a
écrit :

> sorry to bring this old thread but we need to update with reporting for
> this eligibility. can some please update this and we need to find our
> representative for this.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Eligibility_Criteria
>
> Thanks
>
> Mohsen
>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:46 PM balaji  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just for information, I did my registration today.
>>
>> Cheers
>> J. Balaji
>> (User:Balajijagadesh)
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON <
>> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Just for information, I did my registration yesterday ;)
>>>
>>> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Nelson Mandela's Trial diary

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Great!

Before we start transcribing, shouldn't the images be split in two to fit
the pages? (and it would be easier to transcribe too)

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2018-07-19 15:57 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov :

> Hello, Wikisourcerors!
>
> Just in time for Mandela's centenary and Wikimania in Cape Town, South
> Africa, we have just made available for transcription on Wikisource
> Mandela's handwritten diary from the [[Rivonia Trial]] [1], which led to
> Mandela's long imprisonment.  The diary was contributed by the Mandela
> Foundation, Johannesburg.
>
> Come lend a hand:
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Travel_diary_from_
> the_Rivonia_Trial_(State_v._Nelson_Mandela_and_Others).pdf
>
> Cheers,
>
> A.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivonia_Trial
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource meetup in Wikimania

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

I won't be at Wikimania so I'll let you organize.

Anyway, some spots are already taken but a lot are still available see
https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups, juste choose one.

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: I'm on a boat back from the #CelticKnot with a bad internet connection,
I will do a brief summary (and there is a video of my presentation, I will
share it as soon as it's online)

2018-07-09 18:42 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni :

> Guys, it should be really easy to plan a meetup:
> look at the program and venue, find a suitable spot and decide a room and
> a date.
> You'll have time to change it accordingly.
>
> Aubrey
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:35 PM, balaji  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there any update regarding the wikisource meetup?
>> Regards,
>> J. Balaji
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:36 PM Mardetanha 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> agreed
>>>
>>> Mardetanha
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:41 PM, balaji 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 we should plan...



 On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:44 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
 bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Any plan for Wikisource meetup during Wikimania this year?
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Public domain under attack in Norway

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

First, you could ask on https://no.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikikilden:Kontoret
or directly to Jon Harald Søby;)

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Carl Malamud is doing India

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Can we have the context here? I'm not sure to understand what this is
about...

Cheers, ~nicolas

2018-04-28 16:59 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) :

> «Received 36 books today. Totally thrilled with the selection. I’m paying
> $10 or even $20 for books that sell for 150 rupees, but many of these are
> old and I’d never be able to find them except on the market. Going to have
> the definitive set of high-quality scans of GOI books.»
> «5 scrapes of sites are going well. State library crawl of 1903-2014
> southern gazettes is about to hit year 2000, the crawl of 23k books from
> Bengal half-way done (so 3 more months), the download of videos up to 700
> films out of 5k, about 200 gbytes so far.»
> https://twitter.com/carlmalamud/status/989975678207455232
> https://twitter.com/carlmalamud/status/989974421476491264
> https://twitter.com/carlmalamud/status/990096301361545216
>
> Federico
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[Wikisource-l] WMCON2018 report

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

I'm quite busy right now so sadly we won't be able to give a full report
report of the Wikimedia Conference before next week (at best, there is so
much to tell!).

In the meantime, here two things to wait until the full report :
- the notes taken during the meetup
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Thematic,_regional,_language-specific_meetups/Wikisource_Meetup
(thank you Balajijagadesh ! also Jayantanth, Econterms and everyone who was
here)
- the poster :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikisource_-_WMCON2018_poster.pdf
(feel free to send me comments)

And no matter how busy I am, don't hesitate to contact me or to ask
question ;)

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource meetup at WMCon

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Will try to make one but all the meetups are in the same time slot and
there is a lot already of meetups on this slot (and I'll represent
Wikisource at the Wikidata meetups as Wikisource specific needs need to be
aknowledge too).

Anyway, WMCON is a relative small events so if anyone has question, wants
or needs, please come directly to see me or Balaji to talk directly (which
can be even more effecient ;) ).

Cheers,
~nicolas

2018-04-18 15:04 GMT+02:00 Aleksey Chalabyan :

> I'd be very interested to join meetup.
> Who else?
>
> 2018 թ. ապր 17, երք, 16:56 Bodhisattwa Mandal 
> օգտատերը գրել է՝
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope there will be a Wikisource meetup at Wikimedia Conference 2018.
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
>> 2018/Thematic,_regional,_language-specific_meetups
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bodhisattwa
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Do we have tools for offline collaboration?

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2018-04-13 8:54 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:

> Good to know. I consulted the website of ABBYY and it say one option is an
> "Open license for local use on workstations", but I guess it's not a FLOSS
> license, unfortunately.
>
Not at all, read more carefully, this license is available only when you
already purchased more than 50 licenses (
https://www.abbyy.com/en-ca/finereader/licensing/ ) so at least 5000 € IIRC.

> By the way, what is the state of the affair regarding Indic languages?
>
I left that one for people more acquainted with that but it seems to work
fine.

> Do we have a central page documenting existing OCR pipeline used by the
> wikisource community?
>
Not that I know of.
And AFAIK, each Wikisource and Wikisourcerer have different systems
(sometimes small differences but sometimes big differences).

> What should I say to a contributor which come to me asking "I have this
> old PD book in my personnal library that I would like to digitalize, share
> and proofread in Wikisource, where should I start?". Do we have an online
> service, for example on tool labs, which enable to either upload or simply
> input url of a facsimile and that launch the OCR for example backed on
> tesseract?
>
There is BUB https://tools.wmflabs.org/bub/ but only for certains websites.

> Shouldn't we update our roadmap[1], or is there a more up to date document
> elsewhere?
>
Whe should write a new document.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for non-fiction characters

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

If I understand correctly, Bodhisattwa, you want the same thing as P674 but
for people and non-fiction (instead of character and fiction).
AFAIK, that doesn't exist yet but you should ask for it (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal ).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2018-04-06 17:54 GMT+02:00 billinghurst :

> Aren't they just called people? What are you looking to achieve?
>
>- depicts (P180) 
>- statement is subject of (P805)
>
>- subject has role (P2868)
>
>- owner of (P1830) 
>- dedicated to (P825) 
>- identity of subject in context (P4649)
>
>- patron (P1962) 
>
> I predominantly use P805 where it is a chapter, or biographical entry
> about a person, so if you can give more context
>
> -- Billinghurst
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Bodhisattwa Mandal" 
> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
> wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: 7/04/2018 12:03:09 AM
> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata property for non-fiction characters
>
> Hi,
>
> is there any Wikidata property for characters depicted in non-fiction
> literatures? I found Properties like characters (P674) for fictions,
> depicts (P180) for works like paintings, main subject (P921) for primary
> topic of a work, but couldn't find something for non-fictions. Am I missing
> something?
>
> --
> Bodhisattwa
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] ​[WMCON18] Organizational profile for Wikisource Community User Group

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi wikisourcerers,
Hi Balaji,

For the Wikimedia Conference in 10 days we need to fill a short profil
summary for our group (here some photos of the last year's pofiles:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Conference_2017_–_Organizational_Profiles
).
Here is the questions : https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WS-WMCON
What would *you* answer? (I made some suggestions but I'd like to hear from
you).

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Frankenstein's 200th birthday

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

On fr.ws we have two editions :
- 1821 with a scan ( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q51434118 )
- 1922 without scan (because it's not PD-France, just PD-US pre-1923 ;
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q51435158 )

I left a message to ask for wikisorcerors to finish the proofreading of the
first one.

I will try to list all editions in French on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q150827, feel free to do the same for your
languages.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Can any local language Wikisource release their few books in CC BY-NC-ND 3.0

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

(quickly as I'm not on my computer)

Indeed, local projects can have an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-free_content but this is not something
really encouraged.

Can you maybe provide some context, why do you need CC BY-NC-ND?

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2018-02-04 11:31 GMT+01:00 Jayanta Nath :

> Dear All,
>
> I need some clarification. I know that Wikisource release our content CC
> BY-SA 3.0.  Can any local language Wikisource release their few books in CC
> BY-NC-ND 3.0. ( Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported) by
> approving by the local policy?? OR We have to approved by WMF.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jayanta Nath
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Just for information, I did my registration yesterday ;)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

I'm busy but I'll register in the afternoon.

@Balaji: If I'm not mistaken, the Wikisource Community User Group is in
group 2.

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2018-01-12 6:45 GMT+01:00 balaji :

> ​Dear Andrea Zanni,
>   Thanks for the information. Would register
> ASAP. ​I am not sure under which category I should apply for [Group 1],
> [Group 2] or [Group 4]. So funding for my travel, stay, etc can be planned.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:40 AM, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
>
>> @Vigneron and Balaji
>> Please register asap: Cornelius from Wikimedia DE just asked me why
>> nobody from our UG signed up.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Andrea Zanni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's best that Vigneron and Balaji go.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Sam Wilson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, 9 Jan 2018, at 5:59 PM, Hélène wrote:
 > Hi all!
 > I think it is a good idea that Balaji becomes a WS User Group's
 >  representant. As for Aubrey and Vigneron, I don't know who would
 >  be the best delegate...

 I agree. I'd rather you all got to go! But if there's to be a choice,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

10 days until registration are closed.

I can let my place to J. Balaji (indeed it is a good idea to have someone
from a « non-western communities ») who can go with Andrea (and I stay
available as plan B if needed).

Is everyone ok with that ?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] lack of quality flag in visual editor

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

I just tested on en.ws, fr.ws and ta.ws and I confirmed there is a bug and
a very strange one : with Mozilla Firefox (v. 57) or Chrome (v. 63), you
can select another quality flag but not save it ; the button « Done /
Terminé / முடிந்தது » stays grey.

Ping Tpt and Sam: is it the same problem as
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T175304 ?

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2017-12-18 15:52 GMT+01:00 balaji :

> Hi all,
>I don't know if this is a known issue. While proof reading
> using the "Visual editor", while saving there is no option of quality flag.
> So it is not possible to change the status of proofreading. This is
> especially becoming difficult in "Tamil" wikisource. The new users are
> given an option of visual editor. After that they are not able to change
> the quality flag.
>
> I hope some one is working regarding this issue.
>
> Is there any way where I can disable the option to offer the new users to
> choice visual editor.? If the users wish anyway they would be able to
> choose that in beta option. (P.S. I have admin rights in "Tamil" wikisource)
>
> Regards,
> J. Balaji.
> (User:Balajijagadesh)
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018 - Registration closes in one month!

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

Good to see that a lot of people will be there!

I'm available and I can go to Berlin in April (and I can talk about
'breton', my minority and almost dead language, does it count as
"non-Western"? :P) if the group agrees.

So how should we decide?
Should we vote somewhere (on meta?) or could we do something more simple
like: Andrea and I are going if there is no opposition in seven days? (the
deadline is coming fast and I'll be busy in the coming days)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Hangout session

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Reminder, the meeting is in half an hour on
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/wikimedia.org/wikisource

Notes will be taken on https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wikisource-hangout
and the meta page to gather all these informations is
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/November_2017_Hangout

Cdlt,
~nicolas

2017-10-31 20:03 GMT+01:00 Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nico...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone,
>
> From January to April of this year, we had hangout session to talk more
> directly about Wikisource (see https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#2017 for the notes of these
> sessions).
>
> Among subjects that can be discuss:
> - Wikisource and Wikidata (and some infos about the WikidataCon in Berlin
> last weekend)
> - a second Wikisource conference in 2018 ?
> - various issues or accomplishments you want to share or need help from
> others
> - the Wikisource Community User Group
>
> What do you think of doing this again? Who would be interested to join?
> (it was during week-end - Saturday or Sunday - afternoon to allow people
> from all other the globe to join in, I suggest Saturday 4 from 14:00 UTC to
> 15:00 UTC https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=
> November+Wikisource+Hangout=2017-11-04T14:00:00).
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] wikisource "work" pages or "multiple editions" pages

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-11-01 15:44 GMT+01:00 helene78 :

> The more I read about it-ws Opera namespace, the more I'm interested in it.
>
> On frws we use "multiple editions" a lot, especially on poems and short
> stories, that have been published in different collections. Do you do that
> too ?
>
> Also, I had a fantasy, these past weeks, working about "work items" on
> wikidata, that we could point on wikisource "work" page, whether we have 1
> or multiple editions.
>
> Presently, when, for a poem, we have only 1 edition, we put it in its
> collection subpage, and keed the poem title as redirect, then transform it
> to "multiple editions" when we get some. This totally prevents to add those
> to wikidata, because redirects are not supported ; thus, editions are added
> to work items, by adding redirects.
>
> I was wondering whether adding a template similar to "redirect with
> possibility" (enwp) could help solve this problem.
>
> Wonder what solution would be best, considering that the creation of a
> full-developped "work-page" on a poem could be tricky...
>
> So, what do you think all of you ?
>
> Hélène (frwikisource)
>

>From afar, the Opera: pages on it.ws are very close to the pages with the
template {{Éditions}} on fr.ws or the template {{Versions}} on en.ws (and
similar system elsewhere).

The main difference is having a separate namespace A second major
difference is that the templates on fr.ws and en.ws are very light while
the {{Opera}} template took data from Wikidata (but that's an independent
problem, it's possible to change the {{Éditions}} or {{Versions}} templates
to do exactly the same thing without having a specific namespace).

I'm almost convinced too, but in order to create a new namespace on a
project you have to convinced the local community. That's why I'm still
playing the Devil's advocate role and want to learn about the inconvenients
of this system (for instance, since the name of the work is free to use,
does people often use it by mistake?).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Hangout session

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-11-01 15:18 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:

> Would it possible to do it through a FLOSS solution like jitsi[1], or at
> least try?
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://jitsi.org
>
Hi,

We (the wikimedia community) tried several times and several solutions
(including FLOSS solution like jitsi or mumble), sadly it didn't work as
well as Hangout.

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[Wikisource-l] Hangout session

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

>From January to April of this year, we had hangout session to talk more
directly about Wikisource (see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#2017 for
the notes of these sessions).

Among subjects that can be discuss:
- Wikisource and Wikidata (and some infos about the WikidataCon in Berlin
last weekend)
- a second Wikisource conference in 2018 ?
- various issues or accomplishments you want to share or need help from
others
- the Wikisource Community User Group

What do you think of doing this again? Who would be interested to join? (it
was during week-end - Saturday or Sunday - afternoon to allow people from
all other the globe to join in, I suggest Saturday 4 from 14:00 UTC to
15:00 UTC
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=November+Wikisource+Hangout=2017-11-04T14:00:00
).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-10-31 18:45 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni :

> For the "work" concept, Italian Wikisource decided to create a real and
> new namespace, "Opera" (which means work).
> It's the one page where we store the links to multiple editions of a
> certain book we have.
>
> It's not a disambiguation page in the sense that a disambiguation page
> works with different books from different authors with the same title
> e.g. "Poems"...
>
> Aubrey
>

I forgot about that too.
Aubrey; Could you tell us the advantage and inconvenient of this system
(and in comparison to the 'multiple editions' pages of the others
Wikisources).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: this is the kind of question that would be interesting to have during a
hangout session like we had (I will write a separate mail to re-launch them)
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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :

> Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I was referring
> to items like this one
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368
>

No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this example is
even better (I totally forgot this kind of case).

For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and I'm not sure
what this tools can even do for this).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

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2017-10-31 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :

> We want the disambiguation pages on Wikisource - I checked a few of these
> and there are a lot of women and "younger sons" in them that we want. Also,
> many can be connected to existing "family of ..." pages or name
> disambiguation pages - they definitely help enrich our understanding of the
> problems of disambiguation over time.
>

I'm guessing you're talking about pages in
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Author_disambiguation_pages (which
only exist on en.ws) but they are in the Author: namespace and (if Im' not
mistaken) the WS search tool here only look in the main namespace (as it's
focused on editions).

So this is a bit besides this mail thread but still, you are very right,
for people in particular and for everything in general, disambig pages are
indeed important and ideally the tool should not just discard them as 'not
edition' (if technically possible to spot them obviously).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

>
> Yes it's certainly a first draft!! :-) Thanks for trying it out.
>
> With the disambig pages, can you suggest how to detect them?
>

Not sure.
Could you detect the presence of the Q6148868 templates ? (and same thing
for Q15701815 ).
Or else maybe with the categories.


> Ah, there's a couple of other bugs here:
>
> The page https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Accroupissements actually
> already has a WIkidata ID, but the ws-search database didn't know about
> it :-( probably because it was failing for a while on some weird
> problems. I've re-run the scraper, and now that work is showing up with
> it's proper Q-number:
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search/?title=Accroupissements==
> fr
>
> The idea with the quickstatements is that it'll only show it for works
> that are *not yet* linked to wikidata. This is where the disambig
> problem comes in, because there doesn't seem to be a simple way to
> determine what's an edition and what's a work without resorting to
> Wikidata. We could look at categories? Is it a truth universally
> acknowledged that pages in the categories defined as
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15939659 are all disambiguation pages?
> That could work...
>

The truth (and I guess it is universal but could someone confirm?) is that
pages with 'multiples editions' are 'works' (Q571, this is what I do for
fr.wikisource at least).

Thank you for all the work!

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Re: [Wikisource-l] quickstatements for missing editions

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-10-31 5:21 GMT+01:00 Sam Wilson :

> I've just been experimenting with adding a quick-statements generator to
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search — search for something, with 'linked
> to wikidata = no', and then each row of the results has a popup with
> code you can copy and paste into quickstatements.
>
> I don't know if that sort of thing is useful. It's not working with many
> fields yet, but I'm finding it faster than entering the basics manually.
>
> —sam.
>

Interesting.

It's a good start but I see a lot of things that need heavy improvements. I
tried for br and fr Wikisources.

Most importantly not everything on Wikisource is an edition (there is
disambig page and editions pages, for instance fr:s:Accroupissements a a
work not an edition, it should detect that and change the P31 accordingly)
Then the description is put on « Dfr "edition of Accroupissements by ,
Arthur Rimbaud" », it should be Den not Dfr, there shouldn't be a comma
here, and ideally we should add description in multiple languages (maybe
with an external bot ?).
Some others data could probably easily be added (P996
 and P1957
 at least and maybe P1476
 too)

But this has the potential to be a very good tool!

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[Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi all,

For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While there is
no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention on
relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library, FRBR,
and so on).

The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the presentation
(link will be added here :
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).

I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will be
there?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See how
it is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and here an
example of Wikidata query for all items about validated text :
http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy

Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should
be a tool to take care of that instead of human being.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] FYI - WMF pausing and deprecating some functionality

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Anne,

Thank you for the confirmation.

I've got a question both for you and for the wikisourcerers, do we want and
should we keep using WSexport or should we try to integrate WSexport
functionalities into more general tool? (for the second option, we need to
exchange about our specific needs and desires).

My point of view is that we are quite happy with WSexport right now so we
could say « if it ain't broken don't fix it » but on the other hand the
maintain a specific tool tailored for our specifities but it could be
useful for others and there is always the risk that nobody maintain it
anymore (a more general tool generally - but not always - having more
chances of being maintain).
I'd like to hear you point of view and the point of view of people
maintaining WSexport (mainly our beloved wikisourcerer supreme Tpt ;) )

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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] FYI - WMF pausing and deprecating some functionality

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

Maybe I'm misunderstood the situation but I'm not sure to understand the
problem: does anyone use OCG?

I thought that not one use it anymore (if it was ever used... at least onf
the French wikisource it never really worked well as it didn't understand
the 'pages' tag we use on almost all pages) and we have our own
PDF/ePub/mobi generator (https://tools.wmflabs.org/wsexport/tool/book.php).
SO don't we all use WSexport?

I see very few pages on
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex=Wikisource:Books/
, most of them generated a long time ago, so I don't think that this will
have any impact on Wikisource.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] IA Upload queue

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-09-12 14:07 GMT+02:00 Yann Forget :

> Hi,
>
> The upload limit on Commons is 4 GB, so there should be any issue.
> If the script can't upload files bigger than 100 MB, it should be fixed.
> See how other tools work, as an example (i.e. video2commons).
>

100 MB is the « regular » limit.
4 GB is the limit for chunked upload :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Chunked_uploads (it's end on the
same place but it's not the same system)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource hackathon and meetup in Wikimania

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

It's planned for tomorrow evenings :
https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups/Wikisource

I hope to see some of you there and will take note and do a report for the
others ;)

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2017-08-11 11:25 GMT-04:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal :

> Hi,
>
> Any update about the meetup?
>
> On 5 August 2017 at 23:40, Jayanta Nath  wrote:
>
>> See you all at Wikisource meetup/Sourcethon
>>
>>
>> Jayanta Nath
>> Indic Wikisource and Bengali Wikisource
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource hackathon and meetup in Wikimania

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-08-01 0:47 GMT+02:00 Sam Wilson :

> Yes!  A meetup will happen I hope! :-) I'm keen.
>

Not scheduled yet and there is some room available ;)
https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups
Any preference ? (meetup are in the evening, no overlap)
Who will be there ?


> And I was just reading the notice on en.ws about the WSCommunity User
> Group report being overdue. Do we do Jan–Dec reports, or July–June
> reports? I think the former. I've started some notes at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_
> Group/2016_Report
> (hope that's the right thing to do).
>
> And perhaps, at Wikimania, we could discuss proposals for this year's
> wishlist survey?
>

Absolutely!


>
> See (some of) you next week! :-)
>
> —Sam
>

See y'all ;)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Stats

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Yes, it's a great tool, with a lot of tabs and diagrams.

Feel free to explore it. If you have any question, feel free to ask me (or
directly to the dev Akeron : wikis...@wikiscan.org ).

FYI, for performance reasons, there is only stats for the wikimedia
projects with more than 100 k edits (that is why there is only 23 of the
wikisources).

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2017-07-28 20:37 GMT+02:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal :

> Just stumbled upon this link showing stats of different Wikisource
> projects.
> http://wikiscan.org/?menu=allsites=wikisource
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] content modef of [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config]]

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

This mail is quite technical, could we have some more explanations?

What is [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config]] and what does it do?

More particularly, I see that br.ws is not listed but maybe it could
benefit from it too (and as I'm the only active admin there and 1/5th of
the community no-one else than me would do it ; so can I do?).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2017-07-14 22:51 GMT+02:00 ankry.wiki :

> Dear wikisource administrators!
>
> I noticed that default content model (wikitext) of index configuration
> page:
>   [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config]]
> is wrong in almost all wikisources. As it contains index definition in
> JSON format, the content model should be JSON to avoid potential
> presentation problems (eg. in case when somebody wishes to add wikicode
> examples or HTML tags here).
>
> Yesterday, I disputed this with Tpt on IRC, and he agreed with me that the
> content model "wikitext" is wrong here and told that it is difficult to
> change it from the ProofreadPage extension. It should be done manually,
> when ProofredPage is configured.
>
> The change only affects HTML presentation of this particular page and is
> written in database. Page code accessible by API or visible for the
> ProofreadPage extension remains unchanged. So the change is safe and also
> fully reversible (if somebody wishes so).
>
> The content model has already been changed in en (by Yann), fr (by Tpt),
> pl & mul (by me), hu (by Tacsipacsi). Nothing needs to be changed on
> wikisources that do not use this page (eg. ar, de, ko, sv).
>
> INSTRUCTION (English interface assumed)
> - open [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config]] page
> - choose "Page information" from the left menu
> - find the "Page content model" row in the "Basic information" table
> - if "wikitext" is displayed as current model, click "change"
> - choose "JSON" as "New content model"
> - click the "Change" button to save the change.
>
> You need to be admin to change content model.
>
> The change may be also performed by a global admin or steward. But they
> need to be ensured that no bot/tool uses HTML code of this page directly.
> (A bot should use API if really needs this page, but if you know any bot
> accessing HTML code ot this page, let us know)
>
> The alphabetic list of wikisources that still need this change:
> be, bn, ca, da, es, gu, hr, hy, it, is, mk, nl, no, or, pa, pt, ru, ta,
> uk, vec, zh
>
> Ankry
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Re: [Wikisource-l] header and footer in page namespace

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-07-02 17:49 GMT+02:00 balaji :

> Hi ,
>   Yes. I am talking about the header and footer in edit proofread page
> mode. Many are not knowing about it.
>
> Regards,
> J. Balaji
>
> Username: Balajijagadesh
>

Ok.

I've start a discussion on the french wikisource to know what the community
there think about it :
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Juillet_2017#Afficher_les_en-t.C3.AAtes_et_pieds_de_pages_par_d.C3.A9faut

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Re: [Wikisource-l] header and footer in page namespace

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Do you speak about the header and foot in edit proofread page mode? (I
guess but just to be sure)
If so, I think too it should be by default for all wikisources (at least
for frws, it's a very frequently asked question).

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Re: [Wikisource-l] A draft nsPage viewer

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Great !

Same question as Bodhi, where can I translate it in French and Breton? ;)

Cdlt ~nicolas

2017-06-14 8:25 GMT+02:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal :

> Wow! This is awesome!!
>
> Can you please help it localise for Bengali Wikisource?
>
> Thanks
>
> On 14 June 2017 at 11:32, Alex Brollo  wrote:
>
>> Try this link:
>>
>> https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Indice:Collodi_-_Le_avventure
>> _di_Pinocchio,_Bemporad,_1892.djvu?vis=true
>>
>> I hope, it will be inspiring for something better.
>>
>> Alex brollo,  itwikisource
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Re: [Wikisource-l] The failure of the WScUg (Re: Scanner for you?)

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi David,

{{citation needed}} :P

More seriously, I don't think that the WScUg has really failed. Sure, it
runs slower right now and it can be improved but the group has accomplished
some pretty awesome things (especially the wikisource conference in Wien
which was awesome and resulted in the hiring of Sam Wilson by the WMF, etc.)

Maybe we can discuss this during the next monthly WScUg Google Hangout?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Scanner for you?

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Thanks for the proposal but Wikimédia France already has one (is it the
same ?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Book_scanners_of_Wikimedia_France
) that is not often used (indeed it needs some tech skills and time).

I don't recall if Wikimedia CH already has one or is currently
buying/building one (I know it was discuss). Yann: can you tell us?

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-04-11 16:36 GMT+02:00 ankry.wiki <ankry.w...@onet.pl>:

> W dniu 2017-04-11 14:06:02 użytkownik Nicolas VIGNERON <
> vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> napisał:
>
> > 2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner <prosfil...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki <ankry.w...@onet.pl> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each
> Wikisource
> > >> language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
> > >> It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.
> > >>
> > >> Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by
> somebody.
> > >> We are not creating that ourselves.
> > >> (except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)
> > >
> > > How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at
> least
> > > half of them do.
> >
> > Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).
>
> We do:
>  https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Subdomain_coordination
> At least 4 do not allow translations.
>
> > > It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works
> > actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list
> can
> > at least provoke the search.
> >
> > Exactly.
> > I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The
> Bible, the
> > Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle,
> Dickens, Stevenson,
> > Verne, some important international treaty and publication from the
> Vatican ;
> > it's already a lot more than 10 works available in more than 100
> languages)
>
> most != all   (Most Wikisource should have... != All Wikisource should
> have...)
>

True but should != must ; for me here, it's a suggestion, not an obligation
(either way, nothing can really be obligated on a wiki ;) ).

> Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum
> > ( http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful
> here.
> > Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
> > PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or
> Venetian
> > :P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more ;) only
> the
> > Bible has more translations).
>
> I have intentionally chosen dead languages to point out that "all" should
> not
> be the goal.
>

Latin and Sanskrit are not entirely dead and are much more active than most
languages of the planet (more than Breton or Venitian).
I"m not sure, we have the same understanding of « goal », for me it's a
direction, something we should tend toward too, not an obligation that have
to be met.


> Concerning, UDHR, we have unclear copyright status even for Polish
> translation:
> it is not considered to be an official legal act, no "official"
> translation;
> translated by a Foundation which say nothing about copyright. And even,
> translations of foreign legal acts are considered copyrighted in Poland
> (according to opinions we have).
>

Uh... strange... I thought UN documents were in public domain (not all of
them but clearly official documents like the UDHR, and that's why we have
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-UN-doc ).
And http://www.ohchr.org/EN/AboutUs/Pages/Copyright.aspx seems quite
explicit to me.


> Translation copyright problems may exist for many translations of Conan
> Doyle,
> Dickens, Stevenson or Verne.
> I also doubt we will get a Wikisource translation of "The Posthumous
> Papers of the
> Pickwick Club" into eg. Lithuanian (while ltwikisource seems to be like
> a single-user project - at least recently).
>

Sure, but this is clearly not the work I had in mind ;)


> We can talk about 1000-100 "base" works in, maybe, 5-10 most active
> Wikisources.


Exactly! Let's go! Where can we store this? (beside Wikidata of course)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

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2017-04-11 13:17 GMT+02:00 David Starner :
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:46 AM ankry.wiki  wrote:
>>
>> I doubt we can find 1000 works with PD translations into each Wikisource
language, including Latin and Sanskrit.
>> It would be hard to find 10. Mostly ancient.
>>
>> Unlike Wikipedia, we present content that has already been created by
somebody. We are not creating that ourselves.
>> (except few ws accepting Wikisource translations)
>
>
> How many Wikisources don't accept user translations? I'd guess that at
least half of them do.

Good question. We should store clearly this information somewhere (on
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19335648 and local pages ?).

> It may not be universal, but you'll never know how many of those works
actually have PD translations until you actually search for them. A list
can at least provoke the search.

Exactly.
I can easily find to 10 works in most languages of the planet (The Bible,
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Shakespeare, Conan Doyle,
Dickens, Stevenson, Verne, some important international treaty and
publication from the Vatican ; it's already a lot more than 10 works
available in more than 100 languages)

Speaking of the UN, the UNESCO created the Index Translationum (
http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatlist.aspx ) that can be helpful here.

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: Latin or Sanskrit are not the thoughest challenges, try Breton or
Venetian :P (by the way, the UDHR exist in these 4 languages and 500 more
;) only the Bible has more translations).
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Re: [Wikisource-l] March hangout

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-03-24 17:01 GMT+01:00 Yann Forget :

> Hi, Is there a log or a summary of last meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann
>

Here it is :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/February_2017_Hangout

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: I'll try to be there but not 100% sure.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource hangout next weekend

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-02-12 11:33 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni :

> There will be an hangout today?
>

Not that I know of. The next one is schedule in two weeks :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group/February_2017_Hangout

But I'm avalaible at 14:00 PM (UTC+1), for instance to could talk
about the GLAMwiki
Coordinators meeting

;)

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[Wikisource-l] Wikisource, Wikidata and Wikimania

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

A page for throwing and discussing ideas before Wikimania submissions is
now open on Wikidata : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimania_2017

I'd like to do something around Wikisource and Wikidata and how to make
them efficiently work together.
I've got not precise idea yet of what exactly to do (it can be either a
presentation, a workshop, or a birds-of-a-feather, aimed at beginners or
confirmed users, etc.), and I'll be glad to hear what *you* think is wanted
and/or needed.

What do you think/want/need/suggest ?

Cdlt, ~nicolas

PS: even if you won't be at Wikimania (I'm not 100 % sure myself, mostly
depending on the scholarship), your point of view is valuable, don't
hesitate to share it
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[Wikisource-l] GLAMwiki Coordinators meeting

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi everyone,

It was suggested that I should go to GLAMwiki Coordinators meeting [1] next
month as « the official representative of the Wikisource Group. »
(apparently, Andrea gave my name, probably because I won't go to Berlin :P).

I'll probably go as it's a great opportunity to remind the GLAM what
wonderful things can be done and offer on Wikisource.
I'm pretty familliar with the global Wikisource dynamics and position but
If you have specific points you want to focus or examples of partnership
with GLAM (past, current or planned ; good or bad), don't hesitate to share
them with me. Any comments or advices are welcome too.

Cdlt, Nicolas Vigneron

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikiconference in Berlin

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

2017-01-18 10:02 GMT+01:00 Sam Wilson :
>
> No, definitely too early! :-) How about 1000UTC on Saturday? (You're at
UTC+1 are you?)
>
> Who else is interested? What timezones are you in?

I'm interrested and UTC+1 too.
I'm available either Monday 23rd or Saturday 28th.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Importing books from Project Gutenberg

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Sam,

Good idea !

For me, the Wikidata linking part seems (maybe the most) important. That's
a great tools to visualise that most books are badly put in Wikidata (so
much P1957 missing!).

The importing from PG part seems important too (but for fr.ws - IIRC - we
already have most of PG works).

Cdlt, ~nicolas

2016-10-14 12:55 GMT+02:00 Anika Born :

> Hy Alex,
>
> My comment was not about spending some time on a PG-Projekt or not
> spending any time at all.
>
> The point/question (when it comes to de-WS) is a different one:
>
> (A) to spend some of our valuable contributions into a project that
> already is freely available (in another format) or spend this time in a
> (related) project that is NOT already freely available? (and we do have a
> lot of them)
>
> // note, it is not about not spending any time in proofreading or the
> Wikisourceproject... it is about finding valuable projects/texts to invest
> our time...
>
>
I see the thing differently: when a text is on Gutenberg, why should we
redo it again from scratch on Wikisource when we can just copy it?


> + (B) to spend this time in a project, that may cost us the findability of
> the whole wikisource-project (and all other texts on wikisource) because
> Google/Bing/others do tag us as fork/reuser/copy of ... (as happened in the
> past, at least with de, when we had some texts of the commercial
> http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/ that is also supported by ABBY with a free
> softwarelizense)
>

I've never heard of this before. Did it happen only on de.ws ? is it really
because of copying Gutenberg? (and was it before the proofreading which
changed pretty much everything ?)

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikidata and Property:P996 (Digitalisation on Commons)

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi Anika,

P996 is only for files (as you can see on the talk page
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P996 ).

For Commons category, you can maybe use P373
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P373 (not exactly done for this
purpose but it works).

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] VisualEditor in Page: pages

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Thank you very much Tpt !

I've tried it.
There is still a lot of work and things to improve but we're in the good
direction.

One quick suggestion: indicate more explicitely that you need to click on
the banner to change the proofread quality-color (maybe by putting the edit
button directly in the banner).

Cdlt, ~nicolas
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