Re: [Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia
Hoi, The big problem with Wikipedia and particularly Wikipedians is that they drown any argument that does not fit them. I find it really telling that some things are researched as they confirm what we already know and at the same time when for political reasons decisions are made that lead to the end of important projects like Wikipedia Zero there is no research in the consequences to the use of Wikipedia in the face of the absense of it. The same is true for the support Google gives to Wikisource for the digitisation of books in the Indian languages. In the political world the argument is that it is self serving of Google and the benefits are not seen/considered. There are many more examples, suffice to say that Wikipeidia and particularly English Wikipedia is overrated. Thanks, GerardM On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 09:05, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Bodhisattwa Mandal, 08/02/19 05:19: > > I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do > > such things. > > Yeah, in general the WMF is always ready to give up all the good things > in favour of the easy ones. The recent blog post is especially > facepalm-worthy in that it tries to sell as useful some "findings" that > don't add anything to the conversation we already had some ten years ago. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_brand_survey > > Federico > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia
Bodhisattwa Mandal, 08/02/19 05:19: I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do such things. Yeah, in general the WMF is always ready to give up all the good things in favour of the easy ones. The recent blog post is especially facepalm-worthy in that it tries to sell as useful some "findings" that don't add anything to the conversation we already had some ten years ago. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_brand_survey Federico ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia
Hi Sam, Coincidentally, there is a discussion going on in Wikipedia Weekly facebook group and my exact concern has been proposed there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/2016791771701977/ Regards, Bodhisattwa On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, 10:25 Sam Wilson It'd be worth making a note about your concerns at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review > > As far as I can see, there's no plan to change Wikisource's name. It's > more about making 'Wikipedia' more prominent than 'Wikimedia' (which it > already is in most people's eyes). 'Wikisource' doesn't come into it. > > (I'm saying this as myself, not as WMF staff.) > > It's encouraging that Wikisource has relatively high awareness (p.38 of > the report > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Global_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_Brand_Research_Report.pdf > ), ahead of Wikidata and Commons. They do note that the high awareness > of Wikinews and Wikibooks is likely to be because they sound like > generic names of things. > > —Sam. > > On 2/8/19 11:19 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have heard from a trusted source few months back that there are talks > > in WMF to rebrand all sister projects under the name Wikipedia. If that > > happens some day, Wikisource will be no more as it is and it will be > > called something like Wikipedia-source etc. The logic for this kind of > > step is that people doesn't know or understand Wikimedia, but everyone > > knows only about Wikipedia. > > > > I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do > > such things. > > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/02/07/how-does-the-world-see-wikimedia-brands/ > > > > IMHO, very few people know about sister projects, because they didn't > > get the love they needed from WMF or other affiliates. Everything is so > > Wikipedia centric. But that can't be the fault of the sister projects. > > > > I hope this rebranding doesnt become true someday. > > > > Regards, > > Bodhisattwa > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Wikisource-l mailing list > > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > > > ___ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
Re: [Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia
It'd be worth making a note about your concerns at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review As far as I can see, there's no plan to change Wikisource's name. It's more about making 'Wikipedia' more prominent than 'Wikimedia' (which it already is in most people's eyes). 'Wikisource' doesn't come into it. (I'm saying this as myself, not as WMF staff.) It's encouraging that Wikisource has relatively high awareness (p.38 of the report https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Global_Wikipedia_and_Wikimedia_Brand_Research_Report.pdf ), ahead of Wikidata and Commons. They do note that the high awareness of Wikinews and Wikibooks is likely to be because they sound like generic names of things. —Sam. On 2/8/19 11:19 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote: Hi, I have heard from a trusted source few months back that there are talks in WMF to rebrand all sister projects under the name Wikipedia. If that happens some day, Wikisource will be no more as it is and it will be called something like Wikipedia-source etc. The logic for this kind of step is that people doesn't know or understand Wikimedia, but everyone knows only about Wikipedia. I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do such things. https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/02/07/how-does-the-world-see-wikimedia-brands/ IMHO, very few people know about sister projects, because they didn't get the love they needed from WMF or other affiliates. Everything is so Wikipedia centric. But that can't be the fault of the sister projects. I hope this rebranding doesnt become true someday. Regards, Bodhisattwa ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
[Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia
Hi, I have heard from a trusted source few months back that there are talks in WMF to rebrand all sister projects under the name Wikipedia. If that happens some day, Wikisource will be no more as it is and it will be called something like Wikipedia-source etc. The logic for this kind of step is that people doesn't know or understand Wikimedia, but everyone knows only about Wikipedia. I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do such things. https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/02/07/how-does-the-world-see-wikimedia-brands/ IMHO, very few people know about sister projects, because they didn't get the love they needed from WMF or other affiliates. Everything is so Wikipedia centric. But that can't be the fault of the sister projects. I hope this rebranding doesnt become true someday. Regards, Bodhisattwa ___ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l
