[Wikitech-l] New List admin

2011-02-28 Thread Huib Laurens
Hi,

The last month(s) I'm starting to get more busy every day what kind of means
that I didn't have time to respond fast...

So I contacted Chad, and from this moment he is the second list admin for
this list.



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Huib "Abigor" Laurens



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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Xmldatadumps-l] post-1.17 deployment restart of dumps

2011-02-28 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
And one more time...

I noticed that we were seeing a 3 to 4-fold slowdown on sv wiki history
dumps in comparison with the previous run.  After investigation it
appears that this is due to use of XMLReader().  I've rolled that back
and we are once again up.  I've also restarted dawiki from the middle of
its run.  Once again, if people could get their eyes on dumps as soon as
they complete, that would be greatly appreciated. 

Ariel




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[Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
Hello,

I noticed code review lagging a bit in trunk, which I was expecting 
since 1.17 have kept guru busy for the last month.  When I started code 
reviewing in October or November 2010, I have spent hours and hours 
reviewing trivial revisions that mostly anyone could have marked ok.

In attempt to get more people to review the code, I have started marking 
my own trivial commits with the tag 'easy'. It would be a good way to 
start being confident in reviewing code if you have not yet tried :)

The list is at:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/tag/easy

It would be great if other developers can tag their commits with the 
same tags and we could start shy developers in reviewing more.

cheers,

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Ashar Voultoiz


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Chad
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ashar Voultoiz  wrote:
> I noticed code review lagging a bit in trunk, which I was expecting
> since 1.17 have kept guru busy for the last month.  When I started code
> reviewing in October or November 2010, I have spent hours and hours
> reviewing trivial revisions that mostly anyone could have marked ok.
>

Yeah, 1.17's kept a lot of us busy. Hopefully as the dust on the cluster
begins to settle and the regressions are fixed we can get back into high
gear for reviewing.

It's true while reviewing you notice a lot of trivial revisions like comment
fixes, whitespace cleanup, spelling fixes and the like. The real answer to
that is making CR happen often, so those are reviewed and cleaned out
regularly.

> In attempt to get more people to review the code, I have started marking
> my own trivial commits with the tag 'easy'. It would be a good way to
> start being confident in reviewing code if you have not yet tried :)
>

I really don't agree with this idea. Setting "ok" on a revision implies that
the code is ok to run in production environments. While a comment
change doesn't really matter, I don't like setting that precedence. In fact,
this was the exact reason the "Sign-offs" feature was developed: to
encourage people who are not reviewers to say "I've looked at this and
it seems ok" or "I've tested this and confirmed that it works." That's
actually a lot more useful.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] New weekend, new sprint to fix 1.17 blockers

2011-02-28 Thread Chad
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Chad  wrote:
>>    26937 Deleted file path not visible when going back to page=Options
>>
>
> There is an easy fix for this one. As pointed out on mediawiki.org[2],
> configuring the deleted directory is a "power option" that most users don't
> need to see. "$wgUploadPath/deleted" works for most people. If no one
> has any arguments for keeping it in, it would be trivial to just remove it
> entirely and fall back to defaults. Generally speaking, we seem to have
> a few errors where the entered values are not saved$wgSiteName
> is another, but for completely unrelated reasons[3].
>

That bug is unrelated to my ramblings about $wgDeletedDirectory. Also
unrelated to the $wgSiteName problem. Sorry for any confusion.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Platonides
With no pressing timelines, we are slacking off again.



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Happy-melon

"Platonides"  wrote in message 
news:ikh9dc$9cs$1...@dough.gmane.org...
> With no pressing timelines, we are slacking off again.

Then let's get a new deadline in place.  What's holding us back from 
timetabling a 1.17wmf2??  It strikes me that the features that will appear 
in that are fundamentally different from the blockers on the 1.17.0 tarball, 
and as you say, all the focus seems to be on that at the expense of 
attention to bleeding-edge code.  1.17 is feature-frozen now, we know what's 
going into it and what work needs to be done, and we have an implicit 
deadline (ie ASAP) for getting it finished.  A new WMF release deadline in 
early- to mid-March would give us a much-needed incentive to wage war once 
again against the CR backlog, and move further towards the 
continuous-release-to-wmf model that I think we're pretty much unanimously 
in support of.

--HM 



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Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 2/28/11 1:08 PM, Ashar Voultoiz wrote:

> It would be great if other developers can tag their commits with the
> same tags and we could start shy developers in reviewing more.

In general I don't think developers should be deciding that their own 
commits are easy or hard to review. One line changes can sometimes take 
forever to verify.

To me this feels like the wrong solution to this problem. People who 
review code shouldn't be afraid of commits.

This might be an unworkable solution for Wikimedia at present, but I 
find pre-commit code review tends to align everyone's goals better.

With post-commit review, the developer can commit big chunks of 
difficult-to-understand code, and the pain of reviewing it is all on the 
reviewer, and people procrastinate this.

But if the developer can't even commit without a review, like magic, 
they find ways to break up their changes into small, easy-to-understand, 
well-documented changes.

I'm a huge fan of pre-commit review. I started to investigate this 
months ago, before I really understood our Code Review tool. It seemed 
like it would be too difficult to integrate pre-commit review with our 
current toolchain.

However, if we ever move to git, maybe we should also think about 
pre-commit review. (In the git world, that would mean review before 
merging with the production repo, but basically the same idea).

-- 
Neil Kandalgaonkar (   

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2011-02-28 Thread Bence Damokos
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[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia schema changes

2011-02-28 Thread Tim Starling
If there are any schema changes you want done on Wikimedia in the next
batch, let me know. I have the following patch files queued up, to be
run in the next few days:

* patch-rd_interwiki.sql
* patch-categorylinks-better-collation.sql

-- Tim Starling


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